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nimrod2
post Apr 29 2009, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(gapnap @ Apr 28 2009, 11:52 PM)
well . i am sorry for the noobieness  smile.gif its my first time hearing people using "clicks"
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lol not implying anything la biggrin.gif

some ppl call it that. i've heard most of them call it that only.

maybe the ppl u hang out / jam / record with call it differently only.

no noobness at all cool.gif
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post Apr 29 2009, 11:05 PM

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i guess i understand the whole van halen esque fills sweat.gif that you trying to explain.yes you have to stay on time.
if you dont it might 'clip'...

as for the recording the drum part first,i suggest you try to talk to your band mate to record the guitar or bass first as a guide for you as it will do much help for you when you record your drum part,later they can delete the guitar and re-record the actual part that will come up on the ep's.this will help you save some$$$.
and try to look for a studio that charge per song/per project rate,rather than studio that charge by hour rate.

This post has been edited by reza.o: Apr 29 2009, 11:09 PM
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post Apr 29 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(reza.o @ Apr 29 2009, 11:05 PM)
i guess i understand the whole van halen esque fills sweat.gif that you trying to explain.yes you have to stay on time.
if you dont it might 'clip'...

as for the recording the drum part first,i suggest you try to talk to your band mate to record the guitar or bass first as a guide for you as it will do much help for you when you record your drum part,later they can delete the guitar and re-record the actual part that will come up on the ep's.this will help you save some$$$.
and try to look for a studio that charge per song/per project rate,rather than studio that charge by hour rate.
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recording the guitar or bass first depends on if they can even play along to the click.
better to all just play along, feed the guitar into the drummer's headphones, but record of cos only the drums.


Added on April 29, 2009, 11:39 pm
QUOTE(Beachkid @ Apr 29 2009, 06:58 PM)


i am going to lay the drum track first.

Oh also I was wondering,,you know at the end of the song when drummers sometimes do a huge fill-that on face value has no tempo whatsoever? Like they'll do a 4 bar fill then like fill it with crashes,rides,double bass-basically they'll end with a huge noisy fill while the guitarists is doing a crazy finishing solo and everyone is going nuts?

Yeah,does the drummer have to follow the metronome then? I mean I hear drummers who go nuts and you know how they usually slow down at the song after doing crazy double fills then slow down slowly and the whole band waits for the final crash to end the song. So with all that havoc,does one still have to follow metronome?

Cause the last recording, I was doing this type of ending,where we had a big finish instead of a normal end to the song. So we were doin that crazy van halen style ending where all the musicians started going at it and doing flashy stuff and going to the end of the song my drums had to slow down to signal the end based on the "feel" of course, then ending with a crash(I hope you know what I'm talking about,sorry if I did not make it clear). However,I still had to follow metronome in that flashy ending. Is that normal? Like I had to literally slow down my drumming -not a constant slow tempo, but just like from fast to slow (not constructed but based on feel) to signify the stop WHILE the metronome was still going like 144.
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thats cos its the ending? tongue.gif
you can always tell the 'engineer' whos handling the recording to stop the metronome just before reaching the final end fill.

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post Apr 30 2009, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(reza.o @ Apr 30 2009, 12:05 AM)
i guess i understand the whole van halen esque fills sweat.gif that you trying to explain.yes you have to stay on time.
if you dont it might 'clip'...

as for the recording the drum part first,i suggest you try to talk to your band mate to record the guitar or bass first as a guide for you as it will do much help for you when you record your drum part,later they can delete the guitar and re-record the actual part that will come up on the ep's.this will help you save some$$$.
and try to look for a studio that charge per song/per project rate,rather than studio that charge by hour rate.
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yeah,ermm let me try showing it rather than explaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEBSxP725w

at the end..and even in the start

it seems that the guitarist and drummer has no "tempo" or structured constant tempo at least. They are playing based on feel and the everchanging tempo. Fast to slow,slow to fast...etc

At the end you can see the drummer doing what I tried to describe,,where he does a lot of crashes and then slows down and then ends the huge finish.

I know this is live,but I have heard lots of bands do the exact thing on an album and do they have to follow a metronome? cause it would seem really redundant.


Added on April 30, 2009, 12:21 am
QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 30 2009, 12:36 AM)
recording the guitar or bass first depends on if they can even play along to the click.
better to all just play along, feed the guitar into the drummer's headphones, but record of cos only the drums.


Added on April 29, 2009, 11:39 pm

thats cos its the ending? tongue.gif
you can always tell the 'engineer' whos handling the recording to stop the metronome just before reaching the final end fill.
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yeah that's what i thought,,like the guitarist could play to MY drumming and ending since we get the "feel"=not tempo but when the feeling is right to end the song..the vid will explain it

and yeah I did ask the sound engineer but he said even the ending had to be following the exact metronome...like let's say 144. when our ending slowed down actually to 90? yeah,so it was weird for me. Needless to say,our big outro was NOT as we planned and seemed like a regular stop to a song rather than a huge flashy finish.

This post has been edited by Beachkid: Apr 30 2009, 12:21 AM
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post Apr 30 2009, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Beachkid @ Apr 30 2009, 12:19 AM)

yeah that's what i thought,,like the guitarist could play to MY drumming and ending since we get the "feel"=not tempo but when the feeling is right to end the song..the vid will explain it

and yeah I did ask the sound engineer but he said even the ending had to be following the exact metronome...like let's say 144. when our ending slowed down actually to 90? yeah,so it was weird for me. Needless to say,our big outro was NOT as we planned and seemed like a regular stop to a song rather than a huge flashy finish.
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seriously, find a new studio or new engineer.
with digital recording now, there is no excuse not to be able to set different metronome patterns for different parts of the song.
how do u think bands like dream theater or opeth do recording then?
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post Apr 30 2009, 12:38 AM

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your sound engineer confirm rip you off ..i am sorry..

because right ..for DRUMS ..it is SO much easier to edit ..you can even use samples to replace them..

for guitar and vocals , there are no samples..
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QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Apr 29 2009, 08:12 PM)
lol not implying anything la biggrin.gif

some ppl call it that. i've heard most of them call it that only.

maybe the ppl u hang out / jam / record with call it differently only.

no noobness at all cool.gif
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all the while i thought its quite common, since engineers i talk to all refer to as clicks, books/mags/interviews all refer to it as a click track, etc.

gapnap noob? where got such thing!!!!!
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post Apr 30 2009, 02:08 AM

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lol,ok

thanks for the clarification guys,,just needed input from other drummeres. imma gonna kick that sound engineer's ass.

 

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