About 3 weeks ago, we had some issues after Jaring's ADSL network went down for about about a day. I made a call to Jaring and asked them what went wrong but they said that everything seemed fine on their end and there was no scheduled maintenance going on.I did not get any further news after that. So I assumed TM was actually doing something around my area after seeing many trucks beside the road replacing copper wires on the poles.

When the line resumed and everything was back up again, my woes now had even worsen.

Now,

1) My tracerts via command line is no longer working and it only shows the first hop.

2) My direct HTTP downloads would have short intermittent pauses/timeouts every 10-15 minutes interval. This can be very frustrating when if you have to download a file using ONLY a single conection which is UNRESUMABLE !!!
What if your download suddenly breaks halfway around say 90%?
You have to start all over again.

3) You can no longer log in using TMnet Streamyx accounts on your Jaring Wired anymore.

I'm suspecting that TM are now starting to integrate Jaring's DSLAMs into their own lousy IPCore network.

Good thing is P1 Wimax is now available in my area and my home has a clear line of sight to the tower which is just a few hundred metres away.
It's on the same tower which also houses the same equipment for Celcom's 3G HSDPA services.

As soon as my Jaring contract ends, I'm will probably switch to some other isp next. I'm not very happy though with the copper conditions at my place. Even after replacing the overhead wires half a year ago after many of the subscribers in my area complained about bad line conditions, my attenuation rate is still above 32dB when I'm just about 1.5km from the nearest exchange. This is just not good enough for VDSL2 or ADSL2+ 20mbps rates unless they replace the old long shaped switch in my housing area with a MSAN cabinet.

Jaring has no DSLAMs of their own.

If that's true then TM will have all the say in rerouting their rented DSLAM ports as long as it connects back to Jaring's data centre.

The IPCore network handling in BETWEEN is in question. What does it do?
Inspects the packet content and start dropping/putting less priority on packets labelled as malicious such as P2P and FTP downloads while prioritizing those which are related to VoIP/IPTV.

Those intermittent dropout issues every 10-15minutes is getting very annoying. My DSL connection still seems stable but during these pauses, you don't get any transfers for the next few seconds before it resumes.

I don't think so, because no logic, how could you determine if you're not working for DSLAMs...


Actually IPCore handling and connected to each core they install for every states, all this will have such P2P connections which if one of it failed to run, it will use the bridge based P2P connections style from other states, but if one failed and you connect one of the Core you will result slow internet or intranet and will give you bad pings, speeds and packet loss all that around.

What do you mean, by bold one...?

This post has been edited by pengiranijam: Jul 13 2009, 04:48 PM

I can understand your path rerouting concept.
The P2P issue I was talking about refers to deep packet inspection(DPI) scheme which is one of the main primary features which NGN networks boast about.
Modern NGNs have the ability to inspect every packet and its content type. By doing so they can choose to allow the packet to be dropped, filtered and given less priority of handling.

The ISP can even put conditions to put less priority or totally block the relevant packets from arriving to destinations/sender should they have reasons.

I put those issues in bold to highlight the problems I'm currently facing.

If you were looking for DPI, it already here (It same works as firewall). The technology is already here, controlled by MCMC not TMNet (Of course TMNet have self firewall, it will use to attempt such attack to their own network), if you read newspaper they refer MCMC when blocking any website.

NGN actually for next generations IPTV, it use to deliver more connections (allow to more speed and lower pings) at the same time QoS to avoid such dropped packets or speeds or pings. You can't determine without yourself, sit at the datacenter monitoring the network and infrastructure. You need to sit infront of TMNet datacenter to do that checking, how it works...

Read up on the concept of DSL Wholesale. The marvels of the Internet.

p/s: also you can always ask jaring what exactly they're offering before you sign with them can't you ?

I don't read that, later read it out...

You have the link anyway...?

Actually there's a thread here discussing about it already, in the Jaring wired thread. Read the responses from wkkay (he's the man - shameless plug).

I feel sad for Jaring..
TM the satan... Stop monopolyzing!

Also a Jaring Wired BB user here.

My tracert command spontaneously stopped working ONE month ago. Till today, it is still not working


I too, have this problem. The connection dies every 30 minutes and would reconnect in 1-3 minutes. Restarting the connection through the modem page seems to fix it though.

Fortunately, there were no connection timeouts/pauses today. If it starts happening again tomorrow, I shall start complaining

Here is a graph on the connection few days back. (red lines are timeouts)



Also, any answers to why my second hops are very unstable. As you can see, it has 40% Packet Loss (completely DEAD using windows tracert).

This post has been edited by iREVELATiON: Jul 13 2009, 07:49 PM

Is TM using this method to pull customers from JR to TM?

@iipohbee
If that's true then TM will have all the say in rerouting their rented DSLAM ports as long as it connects back to Jaring's data centre.
Yeah,Jaring tech tolds me that they have no control over this equipment.

The IPCore network handling in BETWEEN is in question. What does it do?
Inspects the packet content and start dropping/putting less priority on packets labelled as malicious such as P2P and FTP downloads while prioritizing those which are related to VoIP/IPTV.
Great,if this is true then sholud answer why my current non http things get fxxk up.
I suscpect they purposely drop off all p2p packets and even makes my streaming slow for some sites.
Luckily Utube still working.

Those intermittent dropout issues every 10-15minutes is getting very annoying. My DSL connection still seems stable but during these pauses, you don't get any transfers for the next few seconds before it resumes.
You mean that the conncetion will stop until 0K for sometime and then resume again?

This post has been edited by x10amin: Jul 13 2009, 07:52 PM

My case is slightly different. The ADSL line still remains connected but there's like no transfer activity going on.It just stalls for a few seconds about <1min and the downloads/page loading will resume once again.

It's like you've already joined 2 points with a pipe to supply water from one point to another.Every 15-20minutes or so, the water stops flowing for a few seconds and then resumes.

My ADSL line still remains connected. Just the internet connection. The connection today has been fine though.

Yes.It goes all the way down to 0kB/s just for a few seconds and then resumes.

Relating this and fabianz03 earlier question I would also like to ask why is this happening?
Is this a technique to deter broadband users from downloading large files over HTTP or there's a big hickup with the NGN filtering?

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Added on July 13, 2009, 7:59 pm

How about the PPPoE connection?
Mine's still up when this happens. It's just that there's no transfer activity so the modem and router lights just stays without blinking.But I'm in the middle of streaming a video or downloading a file.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Jul 13 2009, 07:59 PM

It's a monopoly technique, TM wanna pull customers from JR to TM.
So that JR will go bankrupt. Their next victim is P1 I think. Because by 2010, P1 is covering KL, JB, SBH, SWRK, which is some competition to TM.

So you know TM's evil monopoly la... They sure wil. do something about that.

Or maybe they know that the NGN =/= JR's technology so they just use it to make JR's user suffer.

Yeah, the PPPoE connection is still up. My ADSL lights are always on, Ethernet has always been blinking randomly since the day I got the modem. Power is always on. Thats all, only 3 indicators :\

This post has been edited by iREVELATiON: Jul 13 2009, 08:04 PM

@iipohbee
Yes.It goes all the way down to 0kB/s just for a few seconds and then resumes.

Relating this and fabianz03 earlier question I would also like to ask why is this happening?
Is this a technique to deter broadband users from downloading large files over HTTP or there's a big hickup with the NGN filtering?
Well,I am using PPPoE dialer and not yet encounter this before~

This post has been edited by x10amin: Jul 13 2009, 08:06 PM

Hey why you guys keep posting the same question?
Seems like JR is really screwed...