Sorry but this issue has arrived of late and I find it too serious an issue to pass up on. I've decided to take this topic away from the Chelsea thread. There was a similar topic once (started by me) but it's too far down the list to track so I'm beginning another.

So then, it would appear that some fans don't see any issue with switching clubs because managers and players do.

Well that they may but only because football is their career. Just because I like my current company, it doesn't mean I won't change jobs if another comes along will I? As a football fan, what do you stand to lose by staying with one club? Who do some fans think it's a cardinal sin to swap allegiances?

What is the concept of "fan"?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 9 2009, 05:25 PM

Switching club to support is kinda insulting especially to the supporters of the new club you support.

Speaking of loyalty, what do you guys think about those supporting 2 clubs or more clubs?

why cannot? i support selangor and liverpool

Most of the football fans do change the club they support...

If your club relegated and there is no way back they would be back to the top division premier league... clubs like Nottingham Forest, Leeds United etc..., most ppl just switch to other more successful team like Man Utd.

i dont see the liverpool supporters becoming chelsea fans or manu fans overnight.
and i have a friend whos been supporting forest since the 80s.

a true fan is a fan for life. a person who sticks by his/her team although shyt happens. i cannot even imagine for a moment that i would change clubs just coz my club is relegated or watever.. i despise ppl who say they support, oh.. mu when they are winning, and then change to different club when they are not. i know a lot of ppl who do that. and to solstice, i dun see why not supporting a few clubs. like me for instance, i have 1 club in each of the top 3 leagues. clearly, i live and breathe arsenal and i am a gooner till i die. but i also support ac milan and valencia. not as hard core as arsenal, but enough to want them to win their leagues and enough to get pissed off at istanbul 2005. hehe

What is the point of supporting the club that you cant even watch them play... It will take forever to wait for forest to promote to the premier league..

I support Man Utd and at least i can sing Glory glory Man Utd in front of the TV...

A real club supporter (don't like the word FAN) supports the club through thick and thin, those that switch allegiances are just there to join the "fun". When a club "they" support is out of the running for a cup or a competition, they switch to a another club just to get back in the action, you just can't take them seriously.

my 2cents

I reckons its down to a person being either a fan or a supporter. A supporter will obviously choose a single club, pledge loyalty and support it.

A fan is just a none-committed follower of a club. Like fan of a particular rock band or actor.

You can be either. But you obviously cant support 2 different teams of a same country.

i notice a lot of ppl "support" certain football clubs or "enjoy" watching football just bcoz their friends do and it helps them to fit in with others. such people wont ever be able to know what it feels like to have the true passion of supporting a team.

football is not just an interest anymore, too many wannabes make it hard to differentiate from the real supporters.

(if a gang of ppl happen to support Team A, u can bet that new ppl who join the gang will be supporters of Team A too) Besides that, a lot of ppl are just following others supporting the more commercialized and well marketed clubs and in most cases dont even know shits about the club itself.

i dont think thats the point of being a fan.. to me, ppl who support clubs like derby and such are better fans than the others who are glory hunters. coz if u support clubs that have no glory, clearly u are a true die hard fan. not that i dont want my club to win anything!!

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Added on April 9, 2009, 5:41 pmi am so with u on that

This post has been edited by kaka91: Apr 9 2009, 05:41 PM

change club is not a big deal as long u didn't change to the rival club (example Liverpool to Man U)
i start love football in early 90 and support Liverpool but change to Barcelona after watch Cryuff`s Dream team show joga bonito, till now i still watch Liverpool match even not support them too much (start watch Pool again bcos many Spaniard there)

This post has been edited by faris21: Apr 9 2009, 05:42 PM

we're not living in the 90s anymore.
now we have broadband and lots of streams online.

but looks like we're talking about fans/supporters who live outside the country where the football is played.

if ur actually staying there, im pretty sure u would be supporting the local team whoever they may be.
unless ur name is stuart of the emma fame.

There are still threads of N.Forest ,Soto and leeds around Football lounge.You don't stop supporting a club just because the club get relegated.


Anyway, I have one little question for you. Do you call yourself a supporter/fans?

This post has been edited by solstice818: Apr 9 2009, 05:49 PM

ever heard of a forummer called manlivars?

that one was probably gay and was probably more in love with beckham, morientes and fabregas then.

He was the guy I m interested in talking to. How could you possibly support 3 of the top 4 when two of those are in fierce rivalry?

Well i'll have a go at this...

from what ive seen there are 3 type's of "fan's" 1 loyal to the club 2nd sworing allegiance to the club player's 3rd loyal to the trophies i guess i've enough posts that has been discussed to death about the 1 and 3rd set of fans, now 2nd one are the intrigues...for a example ill use a player from the club is support as an example Torres, I support Torres not the club but only Torres, no matter what club he goes to ill will support him and partially the club that he plays for, it doesnt matter if that that particular club wins any trophies for the next 10 years or wins them all but the player i support is only Torres? will that make that fan a glory hunter? Why im saying this is because thats what happens in the States, be it NBA or NFL or MLB player A moves to another club the masses follow player A to the club

and dont misquote my post as a Torres fan only, yes im a fan of him indeed which fellow Reds isnt? but for me one is bigger than the club, and for discussion's sake my loyalty lies with the team that i support and ill continue to support them through thick and thin players may come and go but your sense of belonging is is to club and not the players or the trophies...

This post has been edited by triple02: Apr 9 2009, 06:06 PM

probably both... a supporter and a fan..

I still remember his signature.... "one team one cup"

anyone still remembers this?

hmm, interesting. well thats the reason i started supporting ac milan. kaka. hehe.. does that make me an fake fan? i mean, it started out just kaka, but now i support the whole team.

http://forum.lowyat.net/user/ManLivArs <---------- This guy.. WANTED!!!!

according to ur siggy u fan of Cesc, do u will support Barca if Cesc return to Catalan

impressive.. how can anybody support mu, arsenal and liverpool at the same time? maybe he wants a win-win solution. whoever wins the league, he happy..lol

I know it's a football forum.

I know we are here to discuss football.

But I also know that this issue has been discussed to death.

And over the year(s), I've also managed to accept that we should all screw this elitism (not directed at anyone in case I rattle a few cages) and give anyone and everyone a right to support whomever and whatever they want which is why I no longer post around here any more.

You may love the club more than me but that certainly doesn't prevent me from having a right to support the club and don the jerseys that you do in the same manner.

mate, i started supporting arsenal since i was 8. cesc only came four years later. clearly, i will not leave arsenal for anyone! any barca is the last club i will support, no offence..

well i was in the states and was following green bay packersm even tho i liked 49ers, cos of the shitass town i was at, and the fans are still true fans.
what ur going on is probably fans who will pay a slight interest in a team their fav player goes to.
like for pool fans, im sure some have some sorta interest in newcastle or north queensland...tho i seriously doubt anyone cares about galatasaray...

football is a team game afterall, not an individual sport like tennis where u can follow mcenroe in one era, and then roddick in another.

Well i can see u defo a Kaka fan, and perhaps even a milan fan. But the word supporter is often thrown around a lot and loses its real meaning. Can you honestly say they you are a supporter of Milan as you are with Arsenal ? Its all rather subjective since it very much depends on your affinity with a particular club. For me, a supporter should means what it means, you need to support the team. You follow their match, take special interest of their history and current progress, you feel overwhelming emotions in the face of either defeats or wins etc. Basically dedicating a small part in your life supporting a particular club.

So far never thought of support any other EPL teams beside Liverpool.

Being a supporter and fancy certain team play style is 2 different things. Like I would say Barcelona provide the best football visual ever in fact I like their play style, but still Im not their supporter. And when a day Liverpool clash with Barca I will still yell for Reds without a moment of ponder. Actually if u ask me who is Barcelona coach, I also duno. lol

And of course, a real supporter is the one who should love the clubs, not because of certain big player who join in. Like b4 Rafa joined Liverpool, i din even know who the hell he is, but I just believe he is a good coach, because Liverpool choose him. Love the club, love the players thats how a real supporter to be.

I would never stop supporting my club. Even if they get relegated and shit. Forever a red. (not the devil one).

well then, clearly i am a fan of ac milan and valencia and a supporter of arsenal. i mean, i follow all the teams progresses and i feel overwhelming emotions when they win or lose(more emotions for arsenal,hehe) but when it comes to club histories, i guess arsenal is the only club i actually want to take an interest in. i feel like i NEED to know everything abt the club and their glory days and i am willing to stay up at odd hours to watch them play even when i have tests the next day or so. and when milan and arsenal played each other last season cl, my tears were of joy, not sadness one bit

Yes and no. The topic I started previous entitled "Real Fan" was aimed at determining what the definition of the word is. The issue in contention here is whether or not it's ok to swap allegiances? It doesn't mean that this person doesn't read up about the club he supports and all at the time (though I believe if he did, he wouldn't need a swap).

Golden,

You have mentioned situation where clubs have been relegated and you don't get to watch them play anymore. Well you also did mention that you've supported 3 of the "big four" in your time as a fan. Which of them have been relegated?

If you ask me, it has deeper implications. A fear of commitment being one perhaps? In order to avoid any disappointment and hardship, we simply chose to follow the flavour of the month because that way, we'll always be riding on a crest of happiness. When the chips are down, why go through the painful emotions of dispair and anguish? Who not just find happiness elsewhere? Scoff at this suggestion if you wish but I do think it can indicate the measure of a man.

Yeah thats sounds about right. Theres this unwavering obsession in following a team that you truly support. Unless of course you're one a Beckham fan that trails him from one club to another

And a real fan wouldn't switch clubs.

i know quite number of friends who are still :

1. a forest fan. he's been a fan since the 80s.
2. a leeds united fan. again, since the 80s.
3. hammer fan, simply because he was born there.
4. barnsley fan, because it was the first team he got to know when he went there for studies.

and more.

a lot of "smaller" or second flight teams have supporters here. just that you barely see them. to me, this is what they mean by being a "true fan".

back in the 90s when it was still the top3 and chelsea didnt exist yet
liverpool finished out of the top3 SEVEN times...lowest was 8th spot.
heck, even in this decade we've finished 5th twice.
maybe thats why there were no liverpool fans then

a survey, cant remember who did it, was done last yr...it showed a three-fold spike in liverpool 'fans' after istanbul...
that pretty much says it all.

Well ok then, this isn't the only topic that's been revisited then is it? We get new posters every now and then and there's always the chance of getting fresh input.

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Added on April 9, 2009, 6:43 pmBy the same measure, a fair number of Liverpool fans here started supporting in the 90's. Spice boys euphoria?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 9 2009, 06:43 PM

those are probably the ones who just want to be different from their manu supporting friends.

IMHO, regardless what club/s u supports/loves, its okay as long as not hate others...

keywords: hate =/= dislike

i hate tottenham... is that allowed? i really really really hate spurs

really ? i support Reds since 1995 which I am 11 years old that time.

WOW dude, it would be real hard not to do that Each of us surely have at least one single team that we despise.

For me, its okay to change teams, unless the person change to fierce rival. Not that it is unethical or whatever. Just weird

I started supporting Liverpool since i was 7 (2000). Not too long, but yea

Spice boy's or not should it matter? i figure they played their part in bringing more fans but can we safely say that they are still fans loyally supporting the club till now? all i know is for a fact is that i know a guy that adored Jason Mc'Ateer to bits and when he retired he still continued supporting Liverpool , I guess the kids these days rather choose an idol more than a club, how many newer fan's these days support Ronaldo for his good looks rather Man Utd without bothering about their history? I guess in the end it boils right down to the each person on what they want really..we can argue with our holier-than thou attitude but really can they be arsed? im referring generally to a fans here and not any supporter in specific

This post has been edited by triple02: Apr 9 2009, 07:08 PM

classic case: my sister.. i feel like i know more abt mu than she does..

only gays/girls support a player for his good looks

Switching team to another team in the same league is a no no to me.

ditto.

To some, football is just a sport, but to some it's like...a religion! Amazingly enough, I've not known friends who change their fav teams that often, most of them are quite faithful supporters. However we have a different culture here when it comes to football. In the UK, they mostly support teams from their own city. Here, we just support whichever team is winning. There was once upon a time Forest and Leeds were dominant and that's why there're supporters of them in Msia to start with. Like I said, it's a religion. Once a believer, always a believer.

And to refer to an earlier post, why can't you support 2 different national teams? You can do that with clubs you mean? I mean, if the national team you support is not Malaysia, then go and support whichever and how many countries you like.

Take the famous blogger, Kenny Sia for example. He claimed to be a Chelsea supporter and has been wearing the jerseys every now and then until recent years when we start losing the momentum. Well, he has just switched to Man Utd, like he claims "the atmosphere of OT" or whatsoever reasons make him a Devil now.

Now, that's what a real fan is. I wonder which team will he support next.

The question - Is it ok to change club?

After you have invested so much (money, emotion, time, etc) into something (from the initial encounter until totally know them from top below), I just cannot imagine to start the whole process over again with a different club.

That is my interpretation of being a football club fan/supporter.

i support milan since David Beckham join in....

GTG

This post has been edited by Punish: Apr 9 2009, 07:59 PM

later when he return to galaxy u'll support them too?

How about switching club because of his/her religion. A friend of mine switched club from Arsenal to Barcelona because he just found out that one of Arsenal's sponsor is from Israel. And he was an Arsenal fan for 8 years i think.

I would put it this way. You saw this girl who is hot, fine, well-mannered. You might even got attracted by her under certain situation or following numerous encounter. Then you started to hang out and eventually hooked up. Until certain stages of your life, you two got married and you are destined (supposedly) to spend the rest of life together. Well, for most cases, you will go through several girls until you find your other half.

Some couple will go on and on while some are getting divorced. There are also some who cheat but at the same time maintain the relationship with their spouse.

Of course marriages and football are totally different.

I just wanna say that once you have started following a club seriously, it's hard to deviate yourself to support another club, be it some fierce rival or clubs from elsewhere. At the same time admiring and watching another team is one thing, but support them as your second club, I'm not too sure on this.

Offhand, i can't think of any Arsenal sponsor that is from Israel. But i get rather cheesed off when someone tells me they stop supporting something just because its from Israel or whatever, even more when he stops supporting Arsenal. Lets not start anything political here but some of the more common things we see everyday are a product of Israel. Michael Dell is of Jew descendents, so is Steven Spielberg and the world most famous scientist, Albert Einstein has Jew blood. Haven't we all benefitted from them?

If we are not allowed to support anything linked to the Jews even in football, then we are doomed Stick to local football and support Kelantan so they can burn more FRU truck

For me, switching team in the same league and most importantly, RIVAL CLUB is un-ethical, you should be ashamed of yourself, example : Cashley Cole, who switch to Chelsea from Arsenal.

And despite me supporting United coz at first I`m a big fan of The Big Dane, Peter Schemeical, the fact that he support Manchester City after his retirement (coz he last play for them) make me somewhat dislike him..

As for a fan, arh, face it. Most of local football fan (in Malaysia) only support the winning team. I remember back in my school.. so many friends supporting Man Utd, but after D. Beckham left for Real, they start supporting Real And of course..after that United start to slow down... In my class, only me the one who keep the faith and support Man Utd, others?

If you cant stay loyal to a club, stop calling yourself "Man Utd fan" or "Liverpool fan" or "Chelsea fan". Just call urself a football fan... stop wearing club jersey, stop singing a club theme song

I will stay loyal to only two football team : Manchester United & Selangor, for my whole life

And of course, I will stay loyal, and forever adore the magnificent Paolo Maldini

Of course you wouldnt change the club as your club are doing very well at the moment...

Most of the Man Utd fans do not know the pain of the relegation, the joy of getting promoted... Man Utd fans are just getting used to winning all the time.. If their team lose... they will whine like a crying baby..


I mean COME On...you cant win every single games but you can always blame bad decision from the referee/linesman, bad pitch, luck etc... If you want to win all the games... then it is not football anymore..if you know what i mean..

Well, just 2 seasons ago United are under achieving, that is when u can see who is the real supporters

I think most of us here and most people outside of Europe/traditional footballing countries have something in common - we actually get to choose the teams we want to support. For me, it was one of the first teams I saw on TV (pre-Astro and even pre-MegaTV!). It was Man Utd and I think I was probably 10/11 years old. Simple, huh? I sometimes wonder if they had shown a Liverpool or Sheffield Wednesday match that day, which team would I have been behind for the past 16 years. Then again, about a year later Cantona launched an infamous kung-fu kick and I knew that I was a red devil for life.

I'm sure other people have different stories - some people start to follow/support teams that their friends do. Some people were given a jersey as a gift and it goes on from there. This bring up the OP's question then:

Just because we are not from the team's geographical area, does this mean we are less loyal, or less enthusiastic than the local boys?

Judging from the rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester United fans on LYN alone, no one can say that we aren't as rabid as the people in the terraces at Anfield or Old Trafford, so enthusiasm is a definite match.

Loyalty? With no geographical ties, the only one we have to the team are emotional ones. Some people can shed those easily, while those invested in a team - they've studied the history, appreciate the current team, value the experience of following a certain team through the ups and downs - can't let go that easily.

There are those who simply use a team as part of a social group - they're invested in the name only. So if in high school, all his/her friends are Chelsea fans, they become Chelsea fans. When they move on to college, the people they hang out with are Liverpool supporters, so they follow Liverpool's results. Maybe later in the workplace he's overshadowed by people who follow Man Utd... you know how the story goes at this point.

Those of us who put in the time to know everything about a certain team. I remember collecting magazines like Shoot, four-four-two to keep up with Man Utd (man, the days before the internet!) and just soaking up whatever info I could from older people, even those who supported other teams - that's how you learn about rivalries, enemies and favourite teams to play against. So for me, United has been a part of growing up and it's definitely a big part of my life.

The latter are the ones that won't ever shed their team. It's part of their lives and you can't just discard it easily.

EDIT: wow that turned into a long post! Sorry!

This post has been edited by monosyllabic: Apr 9 2009, 10:36 PM

Heh on the other hand just last few seasons ago during 2004-2007 Chelsea supporters pops out like mushrooms all of sudden claiming they are true Chelsea fans while claiming the best Chelsea player in history is Frank Lampard/Didier Drogba.

so those who started at 2008 can claim they are true chelsea fans?

Dont be a glory hunter, don't switch clubs because one is winning.

Proud Chelsea fan since G.Zola days.
Peace y'all

Nice post, did it won for you post of the week in the ABU's newsletter?

Hmm not only Chelsea, there are many Manchester United fans similiar as well. Alot of them don't know whos who or what happened before, referring Manchester United as Man U, I mean its the same for every team. Especially my sister who claims she supports Manchester United but she only has Ronaldo posters on her wall.

Actually in my generation I supported Manchester United because of my group of football friends during primary school, sad to say I was part of that kinda fan before. But maturity brings passion as you grow older you'll stick to that first team you supported and never look back even if they fail.

true fans would stick to their club no matter wut...
unless of course u become a fan of the club due to a certain player...

of course being bandwagoners jz because 1 club win is pure nonsense!

On Lalang/Bandwagon Fans

Its going to be an unrelenting phenomenon that all these lalang fans pop up all over the place...

We see it with United since god knows when, Chelsea experienced it over the last couple of years and i can tell ya, i saw more pool fans spawning all over the place after they throttle madrid and united just few weeks back!!

But instead of looking at the negative side of it, you'll come along and realize that its materially beneficial to the club. These bandwagon fans are marketing gimmicks. Why do u think a certain club becomes financially empowered when they do well on the field. Its not only the loyal fans who get the gear, but the bandwagon punks get the merchandise as well to be 'IN' with the flow ...

Like i posted on the Pool the pool thread, ignore the ANNOYING aspects of these punks, no matter how they might go around and humiliate ure team. Just laugh at their idiosyncrasies.

There ya go ... 2 pointers to why you shudnt have to be all riled up with because of these buggers !!

On How I Started Supporting United

Funnily enough...when i was 14, i was wondering who i shud support, Arsenal or Manchester United. The season hadnt kicked off yet but IINM the 97/98 season was won by the gooners. So they had quite the support from the ABU squad. Then the charity shield match took place, and guess what, they trounced United 3-0.

The whole class celebrated the next day, dissing united in every way possible. Suffice to say i wasnt informed abt United, so i tot they were underdogs! Hahahaha.. so i started supporting them.

What a fine coincidence that was. They went on to do the treble, and in much style and vigor. Last minute wins all over the place, ole was my man back then ... Sigh ... United and me; me and United ... match made in heaven

nice issue to discuss.i second u on that.i have some friends who i assume to have interest in football.some call themselves Gooners some Red Devils etc..turns out some of them who claimed themselves as Gooners but dont even really watch football,dont know a lil bit of history of their 'beloved' club etc etc..the only thing they know is to mock and make fun of Man Utd every time we lose.

Super-lalang reporting in!
I follow Liverpool, Manchester City and Stockport County and at times Oldham Athletic too!!!

nice one man.i started to support Utd when my friend who just came back from Manchester(he lived there with his family for abt 4 5 years) showed me his Utd jersey,scarves,caps,cards etc etc.that year was 1997 and i was only 9 and i couldnt never forget this huge Cantona poster he showed me.i was like whoa man!(i was attracted at his folded-up collar actually. )since then i started to 'study' Man Utd with the help of my friend and my dad(Liv supporter).i rmember i borrowed him many Man utd video tapes since i didnt know where to watch Man utd play and of coz there was no cd player at my house back then. i stick to Man Utd till now and I'm proud to call myself a Manchester United fan.

This post has been edited by yoecr7: Apr 9 2009, 11:22 PM

Woah... dad a Liverpool fan and you're a United fan? Salute! Can't imagine what it's like at your house when United play Liverpool! The teasing must be merciless!

I pledged loyalty to Arsenal since i was 8.
If you ask me if there is a time limit to it i can answer you it will last till the day i laid to rest.

It's okay if you change clubs but you're not a TRUE fan/ supporter. You might give all the reasons in the world, you might deceive yourself that you supported the wrong club all the while but the truth is you're just a glory hunter or a being without the backbone.

Although i'm a fan of players like Messi and Torres but the club that i love most will be only be Arsenal. Sometimes its amazing to see the so called 'fan' support MU the season before, Liverpool next and then claimed to love Chelsea.

This post has been edited by -Nos-: Apr 9 2009, 11:29 PM

my dad is a liverpool fan since young (he's 58 now i think)...
whereas somehow my bro is a man united fan (13 years gap) so when i was in primary, i somehow influenced by my bro lol...
though i never really watch every game or look at every score (more to basketball guy) i'm still a fan...

dude,trust me my dad is one cool Liverpool fan.when we lost 1-4 to Liv,he only senyap2 go back to sleep without saying anything to me who were actually planning to burn down house lol!haha..the coolest thing is my dad always console me lah every time we lose e.g. when we lost 2-1 to Arsenal.he said its ok la still lots of match coming plus we actually help Liv to get their 19th title.

i have no idea regarding loyalty in football, but i bet some forummers putting on his/her sig "MU<or any club> is my religious"
it is not a big deal (i'm chinese) switch from Buddhist to Christian or Christian to Hindi, Hindi to Taoist and vise versa

if it is so, so be it


y have to spend on your time argue over virtual world and defending on a club which you die for but then they (players+management) couldn't know/heard about ur act......

they know about us actually. that's why United is coming to Malaysia this year.to appreciate us for willing to die over them.

i thought they are coming for the money

This post has been edited by madmoz: Apr 9 2009, 11:45 PM

im sure its part of their contract agreement with airasia.
heck, if they get tata as a sponsor in 2010, i wouldnt be surprised if they did a 10 city tour of india

yeah i heard bout that and i was being a lil sarcastic if u notice.hehe
pls dont take tata...get celcom,maxis,digi or whatever companies based in Malaysia.

celcom? maxis? maybe la.
but digi is owned by some norwegian company i think.

get carlsberg as sponsor la

o i didnt know that.
i would prefer A&W Root Beer.all time fav.lol

FYI, airasia is no longer a partner of United.

One thing is for sure, lalang will always be around.

I can't accept for any people to support 2 diff clubs even if they aren't in the same league.

For an example, I have always support United and I'm now supporting Barca. Which team should I support when the two teams meet in UCL? Like last season's fixture?

Same as lalang to me. But IMO, it is fine to support ONE club and being a fan to numerous players. I adore Messi. He is the best thing on football at the moment. Have been always a fan of him since he played first team for Barca.

Oh noes, I forgot Perth Glory as well as Havant & Waterlooville!
No one out lalangs me!

i support Man Utd and i do ENJOY watching other teams like Barca,AC Milan play..but im not a lalang right subpar? of course when ties like Man Utd vs Barca/AC Milan happen,i'll support Man Utd...

perth glory? soccer? bah.
over there its canterbury bulldogs

Bleh Bulldogs is based in sydney no? Real men don't play rugby, at least not in Oz - they play Aussie Rules!
And Perth's pride and joy are the West Coast Eagles and the fremantle Dockers (well, most of the time anyways, there was this half season when the two of them had a total of one victory - Eagles beat the Dockers )

ooo nice Perth Glory ....

anyway ... about supporting a club ... i do support 2 teams, ManUtd (from 10 years old til now 21) and i also supporting Sunderland ( 5 years ago ) from they drop down to division 1 and came up and down... i dun see anythings wrong with that .....
btw, some people support the team according to the player they like, let say, Owen, from liverpool to real M to somewhere and now in Newcastle, his Fans can follow him to support the team he playing on... thats not a problem again ....


anyway .... sunderland vs manutd tmr, ops

I remember the 06/07 season when we played ManUtd in the fa cup final, i went with to Bangsar village to watch the match with a few of my friends(one who is a manutd fan)and I was wearing my chelsea jersey. I could have swear I almost pissed in my pants when I saw a sea of red devil fans. And they all were staring at me when I walk past them. Heck, even the Chelsea main stand had ManUtd supporters there! But I just didnt bother and watched the match and when Drogba tapped in the goal, I stood up on my chair and shouted goal. All the ManU fans damn pissed wei, glad we won it or else I think I would have been hung.

I know,grandfather story and nobody cares. But really, unconditional loyalty. Pats myself

Eh? Why's my name mentioned? I wasn't aware I said anything also.

Back to the question, I think its ok to switch clubs as long its for all the right reasons. For example, the team playing good football, some football player story that changed your life, etc.

But switching teams for the sake of friends, family, girlfriends, boyfriends, glory is wrong in my opinion.

im a glory hunter ... i support chelsea and barca today .. im not sure who will this weekend .. but im sure its my team

lol


but what happens when one fan expectation is not met ? and he wants to change club ?? can he ? cos he no longer believe in the club .. can you force someone to follow something he dont believe ?

I can trace it back to a football managing game called Championship Manager 2. I was looking for an EPL club to manage and saw Arsenal. Stadium size was ok, jersey colour ok, and defenders are solid. What needed work was the offense. So I took over and looked for new talents (retired players reincarnate as youngster) every season.

What I did back then on the game was something Arsene Wenger is doing/has done in real life. Back then the only manager I know is SAF.

Very probably I'll be disinterested in football first before AW stops at Arsenal.

i started coz of bergy. if not coz of bergy, i would probably never knew arsenal. heck, i was a bergkamp supporter first, then i support his team then only i knew he was arsenal. and my godfather helped me out from there coz all my family and all my cousins are devils

Wellington Phoenix!!!!

Top fans are the ones who stick with their clubs thru all adversities, which is why respect is due to those Pool fans who stuck with their club thru their barren years. Committing to a club is like committing to a wife. You don't swap them ever (although its becoming more common place in our culture sad to say). Of course, there are those who just watch the game for the sake of it. Like I know a dude who just throws his support behind a club becoz its wat he thinks a guy should do, but has no fecking idea how the offside or backpass rules work. Baffling really. He started off as an Arsenal fan, changed to United, then Chelsea. Last I talked to him, he was behind Hull (early season wat-the-Hull), I can guaran-damn-tee you he's changed it a couple of times again since then.

What separates a top fan from an ordinary fan is his/her loyalty to the club. Always optimistic about their chances. On the issues of players and managers thought, obviously ideally we would want them to be one-club-men like the Totti's or G. Nev's of today. In the real world though, just like us, we have certain aspirations for our careers. Would Ronaldo have become the player he is today if he were to stay at Lisbon? Would Torres be as effective if he continued plying his trade at Atletico? Moves and transfers are all part and parcel of football, just like how job-switching is.

Was about to say that. Man Utd is my second wife.