QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 8 2009, 05:08 AM)
Lets start with the problem aye? I mentioned that those 2 types of topic share the same problem of lacking standards. A person who whines about being rejected is giving the power of his self-worth to another person. In effect, this means he has no self-worth because he isn't evaluating himself, someone else is doing it for him. This is also true with articles/topics on attraction. It is all assuming what the other party wants and adapting to it. Once again, putting the power of evaluation onto an external source. Where the hell are your standards?
Peer pressure is often the reason why guys chase certain girls. Whether its because all your friends have one, or maybe its just to show off how "macho/cool/awesome" you are by having a hot chick by your side. Is it really necessary though? Would that really make you happy? So ask yourselves, what do you really want in a partner, heck... what do you really want in LIFE? Will the woman you want fit in the life you want to lead? Set your standards, know what you want, know what you need and you will have a direction.
Humans are not the borg, everyone is different. Each and every girl has their own tastes, standards, personality, quirks, etc. Its impossible to be a man who can please them all. Since you can't please everyone, why don't you find the girls who matter? The girls you really want? Now that you've set a standard, its time for you to qualify the people you meet and see if they meet your standard.
Say for example, you're a handsome guy, but happy with a "not so attractive" girl who loves you dearly and meets what you look for in a partner. Others may say "omg, you can do so much better" or "Dude, why are you settling for less?". None of that matters, you've found someone who meets your criteria and you're happy. THAT is what is important.
Now if you truly want the best, like a woman who's beautiful, intelligent, funny, loving, loyal, rich, kinky, etc. then be prepared for a hard journey. As much as you have standards, they will to. So you will have to improve yourself to meet their standards but not at the cost of your own standards. Chase what you want as much as you like, but what you want, must also have what you need. Remember, wants are optional, needs are a requirement.
So basically be who you want to be, don't bother with what people think of you. Do what makes you happy and you'll attract those who will suit your lifestyle. In the end, its your happiness that matters, not trying to prove yourself to be better than others. You must have a life of your own, and your partner is someone you share that life with. [/spoiler]
I could probably write this better, but meh its 5am
It's not just peer pressure driving men (or women) to chase societal standards; it's evolutionary biology at play. We’ve evolved to compete for social status, resources, and mates, and part of that competition is about gaining approval from others. So yes, when guys are chasing “hot” women or trying to fit into some ideal, it’s not just because they’re weak-willed or confused about their needs—it’s because society has conditioned us this way, and biology amplifies it. Ignoring that won’t make the problem go away.
You talk about setting standards as if it’s a simple, linear process: figure out what you want, block out all the noise, and bam, problem solved. But it’s not that straightforward. People are social creatures, and they do care about what others think—not because they’re shallow, but because humans have evolved to value communal acceptance. The idea that "what other people think doesn’t matter" is idealistic at best and ignorant at worst. Social approval impacts everything from our job prospects to mental health. Pretending otherwise ignores basic human nature.
Now, let’s break down your argument that guys chasing "hot" women is a problem because it’s rooted in peer pressure. Sure, peer pressure exists. But guess what? Attraction is not purely a social construct. There's a biological and psychological element too. Men aren't chasing attractive women because of their friends—they're doing it because physical attractiveness has evolutionary roots. It’s how we’ve been programmed for thousands of years. Physical beauty, whether you like it or not, often signals health, fertility, and genetic fitness—traits that, biologically speaking, are desirable. So, setting standards is great and all, but the reason why physical attraction is important to many people is rooted in evolutionary biology, not just shallow societal standards.
But here's the real kicker: you talk about setting your own standards and not caring what people think, but let's not act like that's the end-all solution. The hard truth is that even if you know exactly what you want in life or in a partner, you’re still subject to the standards of others—including the women you’re interested in. You can’t escape external validation entirely because relationships are inherently about mutual selection. So sure, focus on what you want, but you’re going to have to improve and adapt to meet the standards of others too, especially if you’re seeking someone high in value. You say, “be prepared for a hard journey” if you want an attractive, intelligent, funny, loving, and loyal partner—that’s the reality. But don’t gloss over the fact that compromise is an unavoidable part of relationships.
You mention that once someone finds a partner who fits their criteria, outside opinions don’t matter. Again, nice in theory. But in reality, we live in a society where social opinions do affect people. There’s a reason why societal pressure can influence who we choose, whether we like to admit it or not. This is why even confident people feel that pang of doubt when someone says, “You can do better.” Humans are socially conditioned to seek validation from their in-group, and that’s not something you just turn off by deciding your standards. It’s a much more complicated, ingrained psychological process.
In short, your advice to focus on personal standards is good, but overly simplistic. You can’t just discard the influence of society, peer pressure, or biological imperatives. The challenge isn’t to ignore these forces but to navigate them intelligently—to find a balance between internal and external validation, and to recognize that attraction, standards, and self-worth are shaped by more than just personal willpower. It’s about self-awareness in the context of reality, not isolation from it.
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