1. As sad as it sounds, it's the reality, one which is practiced worldwide by the majority of common people. Cant argue with that.
2. Then i guess my point of view puts me in the latter crowd. i believe those will be my final words in this thread. wish u all the best!
Don't chicken out now. Go on and debate with Silverhawk la. I will keep quiet.
Added on May 19, 2009, 6:25 pm
QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ May 17 2009, 06:20 PM)
i guess it's becos of my field of studies. i'm a medical student, and from day one, we've been taught not to sympathize our patients, but to empathize them. no matter how ridiculous our patients complaints might be, no matter what kind of stupid thing they did to cause the disease in the first place, we were not supposed to judge nor advice our patients, instead we should try to understand how do they feel, and then try to advise them without hurting their feelings. mind u, in our exam, if we hurt the patient (physically or emotionally), we're gonna fail and we'll have to repeat the whole year. so u'll have to be really careful. umm, i really dont know how to explain this properly, but let's just say that the medical field has changed my views and perceptions regarding this matter. maybe i'm straying a bit from ur question and this topic, but that's all i can say to answer ur question. i used to have views pretty much similar to urs a few years back, but not anymore. but i respect ur approach, and i do believe that ur approach might be the best one, depending on the type of person receiving it. @dickson poon, im not chickening out, i just think that i dont have anything else to say. take care guys!
That's because the professional role of a doctor is to treat medical conditions, not social ones.
Do you understand how this particular code came to be? You've memorised it well. Perhaps you would know a little about the dark history of the medical profession and its involvement in many hideous, unsavoury practices.
This section of the forum on the other hand is not Mother Theresa's hospice. We are not doctors or psychotherapists. Anybody needing that sort of help would be done grave ill just for posting here.
Because of this, stupid, diseased threads need to be vigorously purged and expunged from here, lest this section become a haven for sickness and mental rot.
This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: May 19 2009, 06:26 PM
I'm just shaking my head at all the faggy talk in the last few pages. What kind of man uses language like "erotically funny" and "PUA classification"? What the f***?
EROTICALLY FUNNY???? DOES SUCH A THING EVEN HAVE A MEANING? WHAT THE f*** IS SO "EROTIC" OR EVEN FUNNY ABOUT A GUY EATING A CUCUMBER THAT HAS BEEN IN HIS PANTS OR A "GAY AND DANGEROUS" POSTER????
As for phrases like "PUA classification": spoken like a true weirdo.
This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jun 14 2009, 07:28 PM
Hmmm... I think that pink panther fellow , Was referring to the categories of Pick up artists , as extolled in the book THE GAME. If I am not mistaken , the vastly online material available on the internet point towards the following classes.
1. AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) or CHODE - This is the category of the so called NICE GUY , The passive man who is overwhelmed with emotion and unable to think properly.
2. rAFC - Recovering AFC - Someone who has taken steps to improve his GAME (The series of actions that leads you to get the women most probably sexually). This process is achieved by doing regular SARGES ( the act of going out and randomly talking to women until a comfortable state is achieved enabling you to lead the interaction).
3. PUA (pick up Artist) or DJ (Don Juan) as categorized by the website www.sosuave.net - Apparently this is the goal of all who enter this path. Note that the PUA is a stark difference from the player (also referred to as a social dildo for obvious) reasons.
4. mPUA Maser PUA or mdj (Master DJ) - These are the gurus , who have had scores of sexual relationships and have engaged in all the known perversions of sex.
On a personal level after going through the book entitled "Revelation" by the mPUA Mystery... I can see that the whole theory behind pua'ing is actually Glorified Self Improvement...
Unfortunately this information has been used negatively.
Hope this clears up this issue...
xmsa666 I think they are just unaware of this.
NOTE - I didnt know that thsi forum allows profanities and strong language.
Peace
The abbreviations you've just educated us about are in themselves quite profane. The terms "AFC" and "chode" are used to devalue men who are not necessarily unpopular with women, but who merely do not share the thinking and social behavior of these self proclaimed "gurus" and pick-up artists.
Although being unable to attract women can be a devastating handicap to a man's life, the ability to bed women is not the mark or measure of a man's character.
Self-proclaimed gurus like Neil Strauss, Mystery, Ross Jeffries, David de Angelo and Tyler Durden were fully committed to the selling of their ideas and methods, not necessarily to teaching men to truly better themselves.
Insider information and leaked accounts of their conduct also reveal a worse than Machiavellian willingness to mislead and use other people for their own selfish purposes, at the expense of the other.
It isn't an accident that although there are many exceptions, most of their students are dogmatic and rigid and inflexible in their thinking. Certain pathological thoughts and memes are almost certainly transmitted, as well, e.g the popular use of words like "chode" to devalue other men, a strong pre-occupation with the notions of power and social prestige without any of the responsibility, social inflexibility, and a willingness to misrepresent the self or outright lie for the sake of getting "*****". Do you not find this a waste of the human potential?
I will add a qualifier that a lot of these negative traits are already very prevalent in the general population, and may be indicative of the way men have been socialised by general society to perceive virtue and the world in general. Even so, a community that is altruistic in nature and committed to the betterment of men should at least aspire for better.
The book "The Game" is seldom critically reviewed or discussed by people within the "community". Many newbies who read it are fascinated by the idea of using simple methods to turn their very lives around, finally making them attractive to women, finally being that guy living the life they always wanted but did not know how to. They become fascinated with the concept of "opinion openers" and other techniques and they read of the scandals and pitfalls with morbid fascination... but they in the end decide to turn to these very same methods outlined in the book without having the foresight that an adoption of these ideas would in the end lead them down the same path. Most are also unable to discern the misrepresentations, omissions and outright lies in the book. Do you not find this tragic?
The big picture is very important.
While the seduction community can and should be criticised for its failures and weaknesses, it must also be given credit where it is due, and in this, the seduction community must be given much credit. Before the community, men learned how to be men via observing social roles and observing their peers.
What does it mean when MILLIONS of men worldwide come to one realisation at various points of their lives: that they do not understand anything about a thing so important to their own lives, that the very beliefs and things they have been programmed to believe in are wrong and lead them to ruin, that compared to others they are somehow "lacking" and in many cases, even deeply flawed?
It speaks of a dis-enfranchisement on a scale that confounds the mind, and of a dis-empowerment that is so total in its de-humanisation, of an objectification so complete because it reduces and subordinates the value of individual men to their usefulness to "others", that until the purposes of the "others" are served, the man shall not even have the most basic requirement of physical and emotional intimacy and closeness that allows most human beings to truly thrive and prosper.
The internet became a platform for men to cross huge geographical divides and exchange their ideas, experiences and stories. Men can be divided by a million ideas and even personality traits, but we do share common concerns and common hurts that are unique to those born male. The search for sexual and emotional intimacy is one aspect that is almost universal because there is an almost clear dividing line between the haves and the have nots. The seduction community represents our most common failures and weaknesses, but it also represents our desire and willingness to become happier and more fulfilled. The gurus do not "own" the community, despite their level best attempts to do so. They are but small cogs in a great wheel, they are puny in stature and next to nothing to the very forces that control our world.
I support Silverhawk's thread (and vehemently object to the inclusion of PUA drivel) because it is superior and more complete than a lot of technique and ideological based systems many PUA marketers have developed. This thread is perhaps undeveloped, but then again, not a lot of quality questions have been asked. Those that have been asked, you will note, have been answered.
Added on June 28, 2009, 7:25 amOh and by the way, I dedicate this video to Xmsa666
This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jun 28 2009, 07:25 AM
I really like wat the hawk wrote...but here is my prob, i never fell in love...but since two yrs, i am not certain bout one girl, i think i fell in love with her and i am not sure bout that....i try to avoid her and buat buat tak peduli her, when i wan to talk to her, i just like need to make myself brave first, and sometimes i not even dare to speak to her....i am really confused now....ADVICE? until now i oni talk to her one time....i am really..........dunno how to explain myself lar.... really dunno how our parents get together at the old time...........
is money is one of the factor to get a girl?? but i think money is very important to get a gf, coz no money no cinema with gf, no dinner with gf and also no many more.... most of my money is spent on my xbox and games
one more question, should a hardcore gamer who is still studying in form 6 has a gf???
I think that you should start a thread in the general section to ask your questions.
If a guy wants to get a girl/girls, work on your self-esteem and confidence. If you cannot accept yourself, are you expecting others to? Once learned to be confident, girls will be attracted to you.
This is of course the stock reply, but if you take a look at the contents of this forum, I would say that a lot of guys here have problems not because they lack confidence or self-esteem, but because they willingly take on the role of the serf.
From memory, something that goes thus: "He who wishes to be understood strives for clarity. He who wishes to appear wise strives for obscurity. For the masses are a timid and fearful lot. If the water is murky so they cannot see the bottom they will assume that it is deep."
This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 11 2009, 04:31 AM
Best advice ever. I'd like to elaborate on it if I may.
I think most people get stuck in the frame of: "If I could only meet the right man/woman, then my life would have meaning, I would be complete."
If you are single now, and your life does not have meaning now, then adding a relationship is not going to help. It's like putting a brick on top of a house of cards.
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Only way to have a happy life is to develop one for yourself 1st, then invite others to come share it with you...which is very hard IMO. Hard because 99% of the time, they turn out to be doing what you used to do before...ie looking for someone to "complete them" or relies on you for validation and self worth. People like this end up draining away all of that energy that you've worked so hard to build up, and leaving you exhausted and frustrated. Which circles us back to standards again =P
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