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TSam_eniey
post Apr 3 2009, 11:31 AM, updated 15y ago

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I've been doing a full time laundry business for 14 months up till today. So far the business is quite satisfying with increasing amount of sales and repeated customers and also new customers everyday. I can assume the profit margin is quite ok from average of 48% in the final 10 months of 2008 and 52% for the first three months of 2009. Despite charging a cheap service tags (never increase since opening) and increase in expenses due to extra labours and extra materials ordered, I can still manage to get the increase in the profit margin. There are ups and downs in doing any type of business but it's just a matter of how you manage to counter it such as selling at a loss.

Since there are no thread in this section regarding laundry/dobi service discussion, lets just make this is one as an official discussion thread. Anybody who wants to know more about this business, I'll be here to elaborate more except the exact figure of gross/net income and expenses.....everything counts on percentage.

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post Apr 3 2009, 12:07 PM

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@zenwell

As a start, any business will turn from bad to worse if the owner does not monitor it full time. I do not know about this business at the beginning. Never work in the business or anywhere near it. It's just that I was a frequent customer. The start up cost depends on the degree of laundry business of your desire. Charging cheap does not mean low profit. Charging cheap means a lower profit margin but higher profit if you understand what i mean. I started my own laundry not a franchise. Yes I do know several suppliers as well.
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post Apr 3 2009, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(bulkbiz @ Apr 3 2009, 12:21 PM)
we already have a laundry business thread
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that's my thread as well my friend. but it has become more to advertising so it was removed. This one is for discussion regarding this business.
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post Apr 3 2009, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(mtsen @ Apr 3 2009, 12:59 PM)
good to hear, nice track ... what is your future plan ?
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Actually the purpose of this thread is not about my plan or my business, it's more about laundry business generally and specifically.
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post Apr 3 2009, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 3 2009, 04:05 PM)
Nowadays I see a lot of laundry business up for sale in newspaper ads. TS do you think buying up this business a good option?
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Buying a secondhand business might be the best or the worst options.

You must study the history and the previous owner must reveal to you his accounts (fake or not, nobody knows). Know their attitudes towards their customers, know their machines, know their location. Only buy the business if it is very good including the condition of the machines and references of whom you have to call if there's any breakdown and the reason of the previous owner selling is it because he/she is moving away following wife/husband/family or whatever (roughly 95% of previous business owners like to cheat on this part as well as the account part).

If the previous owner wants to sell the business with no proper or concrete reason, just forget about it. To stay safe, open a new one with brand new machines. If no capital, don't start. This does not apply to laundry only but to all other businesses.


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QUOTE(zenwell @ Apr 3 2009, 02:23 PM)
How about self service dobi? Has any heard bout it? i know there's a company called Smart Wash who is giving out franchise for self-service dobi where customer actually operate the machine on their own or something like that. I'm not really sure how it works. Been living with family all the time so there's no need for laundry services. But i know this business really makes money.
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I am not quite into Smart Wash or any other self service laundry. But I know somebody who deals with it from several other forums. Self service laundry have advantages and disadvantages.

Advantage : No need monitoring, just come and collect the collections.
Disadvantage : No guarantee on how quick the after sales services will be, nobody calls you when it breaks down, people will put extra weight that might damage the motor, vandalism, coin box will be torn apart just like what happened to my campus several years ago.

just my 2cents, I really don't know actually

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post Apr 4 2009, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 4 2009, 12:04 AM)
Thanks for the feedback. It is very much appreciated.

Hmm, actually I am pondering on buying a business. The owner said the reason for sale is because he has another branch (his main branch) to manage and he doesnt have that much time to run both. This branch (the one I'm buying) is wholly managed by his employees so he told me the risk of employees running is always there and this always give him an uncomfortable good nights sleep. He did provide me with the average sales figures.

Btw what accounts should I be looking for? He did provide me with the sales/invoice receipts. Is that sufficient enough for due diligence? If not what other information can I obtain from him?
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To make sure whatever receipts, it's not just by looking at the one he gave you. You must be present at the premise at least for one whole month to look at the operation by yourself. Take care of the counter and make you own personal unofficial account as it is not yet your premise. You must also know all the operations which means you have to do a bit yourself everything from A-Z. Just like a doctor who opens a clinic or a lawyer who opens a law firm. The boss must know everything before becoming a boss. And never rely everything on the employee. My advise in doing business is either do it full time or don't ever try it. You might lose both your job and the business if you try to handle both. Even with me present most of the time at my premise it sometimes give me sleepless nights, I can't imagine if I just leave it to my employees. This business is not just about calculating whatever collection you make, it's mostly about how to make the customers pay you which means all jobs must be done within time.


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QUOTE(mutt @ Apr 4 2009, 12:37 AM)
bro, regarding your laundry business, how long the ROI and how much you have invested?
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My side of the story is not to be discussed here, my other thread might be great help for you

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/557066

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post Apr 6 2009, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(eq_iq_88 @ Apr 5 2009, 03:42 PM)
rclxms.gif Hi am_eniey.First of all, i would like to congratulate you on successfully opening a business for yourself....Wao...soon to be millionaire arr...Hehe..  rclxms.gif  Ok, actually i just got 2 question to ask u...First question is how much capital do you need to open a dobi business? Second question is what is the average sales per month for this business?  rclxms.gif
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First of all, this thread is not about my business, it's about laundry/dobi business in general. I'm doing this to support my life and the life of my wife and my children. Becoming a millionaire is not the subject. The amount of capital depends of what type of laundry that you are planning to run which ranges from RM25K-RM300K. I can't give you the exact figure for the monthly sales but i can guarantee you once the business is stable, you probably get around slightly more that 50% out of all your monthly expenses.
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post Apr 6 2009, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Nnigue @ Apr 6 2009, 01:41 PM)
Does that mean that the higher your monthly expenses, the higher your profit each month?
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of course, the more customer, the more you have to buy plastic materials and soap and other cleaning chemicals. unless if you include throwing money into the river as your expenses.
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post Apr 10 2009, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 9 2009, 07:57 PM)
My hunch is I don't think its useful to create a website for his business. More info is needed. What is the internet penetration in gombak area? How many of his exisiting customer base have an internet connection? And what service are you gonna offer with the website?

I have seen an online laundry business failed before (if I'm not mistaken www.laundry2u.com.my).


Added on April 9, 2009, 8:01 pmBtw TS, I read somewhere that you used 5 machine when starting your business. Are they fully utilized now? What is the minimum no. fo machine to start the laundry business?
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Yes I started up with 5 machines, they all fully utilized now. The minimum number of machines is 3. A washer, a dryer and an ironing set. That's all. I don't know much about the Laundryroom but the owner is my senior schoolmate and I heard that he's quite successful now and contradicts to whatever you saw on the net.
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 10 2009, 03:10 PM)
Haha you are rite. It's laundryroom. I mistaken it with laundry2u.com. It took me a long time to look for it as I don't have the correct link. Haha I thought it just shut down. Anyway I am very attracted to this kinda business model so that's why I am paying very clsoe attention to this.
Btw I also wanted to ask whether there are any problems with laundry cleaning issues. Like for example, what happens when the customer mixed a cheap pasar malam red cloth with their usual laundry and then after washing to your horror the red colour stain every other bright color clothes in the mix? Do you provide refund in this case? Or you don't encounter this because you separate the clothes by colours? My friend is interested in the business but he's afraid of this problem that's why he's hesitating now. Your feedback is highly encouraged.  notworthy.gif
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It's ok if you've mistaken.

There are many obstacles and risks in any kind of business. You just name it. These risks are inevitable but you can minimize it by following proper procedures. You must be very very very strict when it comes to washing. At my place, I always seperate bleeding colour garments with the rest...ALWAYS. These bleeding garment not just from pasar malam but even an RM5K shirt can bleed real bad. Even so, I still make mistakes and refund is the only solution to avoid my shop from being bad mouthed from the customer.

But just remember that all businesses have obstacles.

Laundry - colour bleed, missing clothes, torn clothes etcetc
Mechanic - wrong screw, missing nut, lubricant mistake etcetc
Food business - rotten meat, uncleaned plates

and many more....
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post Apr 10 2009, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 10 2009, 03:58 PM)
Hi again. So if you refund do you mean you just don't charge the customer or you also refund the price of the damaged clothes as well?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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both
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post Apr 11 2009, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 10 2009, 06:36 PM)
wow that sucks. whats the highest refund you have ever paid?
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RM900. As I said this is to maintain the sales reputation for the future. For example a car wash centre accidentally damage the tyre or the windscreen, there's nothing else to do but to replace them. The car wash can't just leave it like that.
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post Apr 14 2009, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(hikaripro @ Apr 13 2009, 09:45 PM)
Do you think that it's a handicap for a laundry business without dry cleaning?
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Not quite bro, a laundry business without dry cleaning machine is different from a laundry without dry cleaning. Some laundries which do not have the machine still accept dry cleaning but send them to a laundry which has the machine and some laundries which do not have the machine do not accept dry cleaning at all. This is the handicapped one.
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post Apr 15 2009, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(zenwell @ Apr 14 2009, 05:48 PM)
am_eniey,

it has been sometime since i visited this thread. as per our last discussion, how do you learn bout the biz like types of machine, which machine is basic need etc, etc? since you said u've nvr been in this industry before you started the biz.
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I learned the hard way. You have to consider yourself lucky as I'm here to explain the do's and dont's of this business. Not all business owners would share this type of information widely as how I am doing for the past months.
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Apr 15 2009, 10:45 PM)
TS, based on your experience, what is the most challenging part when you first wanna open up the laundry business?
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Attracting customer and thinking on how to cover all the expenses for the first month.
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QUOTE(ryl @ Apr 16 2009, 06:39 PM)
Am_enieny

Im interested to know what would roughly be the start up capital for your business?
And what are the assets that you invested on for your business?
Is there any competitor in your business area??

Anyway you did a great job and wishing you all the best for you business
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Rough capital is so rough to tell but it ranges from RM30k to RMmillions.
assets invested for my business? i don't understand....
yes, there are lots of competitors around here within 5km radius, perhaps another 20 outlets.
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QUOTE(irischong @ Apr 21 2009, 03:47 PM)
May i knw where can get a book of tis business??  icon_question.gif
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Perhaps outside this country as this business is not that popular in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Kelvin5717 @ May 20 2009, 02:53 AM)
Dear Ts,

Did u use dryer for all your clothing or u hang it to dry somehow behind ur shop? i heard drying the cloth by hanging them in some empty place could save up abit, but mostly u dun have place to dry other than the backyard of your shop where u could not monitor and sometimes theft occur, so how?

I have also heard of that you could make your own detergent or softner and save a hell out of it? did u do the same or u just purely brought in bulk from some supplier?

Actually laundry in penang, batu feringhi are damm expensive, each kilo - RM5, and i thought it was standard as i did not use any kind of laundry service before, there for i think of starting my own in penang and compet with those guys within a year time. There a hell lots of foreigner here and mostly those ARABS send their laundry out from hotel as hotel charges are quiete high.

I have plan to open a laundry shop that is able to cater even for walk-in and also cooperate client as there are so many hotel/motel/inn/resort in penang, mostly the small one, would like to take care of their bedsheets and so on, so if i'm think of this business i cant use comercial washer? and i should buy industrial washer? then my capital would be higher then urs right?

And what is the best way to sort out the clothing? tag? i even heard some people say bar code rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

A million thanks in advance  rclxms.gif
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I use the dryer most of the time. Yes it will cost more but clothes are to be ready quicker than hang dry. But beware, not all clothes can be dried using the dryer.
I don't make any chemical, I buy them in bulk quantity.
Even with my RM2/kg, some say it's expensive. Some people are born retard.
I don't cater hotels etcetc as they want their things to be ready super quick, super clean and at the cheapest price therefore walk in customers are likely to be neglected.
I don't mix clothes so I don't need specefic tagging or barcode.
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QUOTE(Kelvin5717 @ May 21 2009, 02:54 AM)
Thanks for your reply TS,

If u does not mix the cloth to be wash, then you could not minimize the expenses and reduce the time spent, example; customer A bring over 4kg of cloth and whereby customer B only bring over 2kg of cloth and follow by customer C 1 kg, let say your washer able to load up to 10kg, do u still washer them separately like make it 3 turns? wouldn't it be much faster & less cost by washing all of them together??? (Correct me if i'm wrong)  smile.gif

If I were to be cater to hotel linen, do commercial washer able to handle it?

Sorry if i'm being tactless, i thought of operating a laundry business with about 4-5 heavy duty washer + 3 dryer + 1 or 2 indo maid to help up as well as ironing ( is there any auto ironing method? sorry for beind dumb) so that i can cater for small motel/hotel/inn and walk in customer, what is the roughly capital i require? just some rough figure.

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Yes mixing clothes will save time and money but hygenically, it's bad. I choose not to mix unless a customer sends 1 or 2 pieces of clothes. You want your clean clothes to be mixed with someone who has germs and bad smelly clothes with armpit hairs attached to it....surely you don't. If you want to be a good and honest businessman, try to imagine yourself as the customer. What does a customer want, that's what you do. If mixing clothes is the right thing to, try telling your customer that you mix up their clothes with others. If you are afraid to tell them that, then what you are doing is wrong.

A multi purpose commercial machine usually has 3 types of operation. They are small, medium and heavy load. If 2kg, just apply the small load. The washing time is reduced so as the consumption of water and electricity.

Hotel linen can be cleaned with ordinary commercial machine but you got to have a big tank to soak them overnight. These linen can be ironed neatly using a flatwork ironer ( not similar to the ordinary commercial iron set ). Auto ironing does not exist. Total number of machines depends your load. Rough capital for a complete laundry operation is around RM100k


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QUOTE(silverchair959 @ May 21 2009, 04:27 AM)
TS, hope can give opinion on which brand is good...thanx
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Yes the brand is one of the best there is..

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post Jun 9 2009, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jun 8 2009, 08:59 PM)
Did you market about your business here in Lowyat forum?
If so, is the marketing successful? smile.gif
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It does not work that well, my marketing outside the net works better. But at least the online marketing helps a bit.

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