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skiddtrader
post Mar 25 2009, 03:35 AM

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Thanks for the replies.

Another question, is it a good idea to put a outdoor filter that filters chlorine but then the water will be filling up my storage tanks in the house. Will the lack of chlorine in the tanks encourage bacteria growth?

Was thinking of have an outdoor filter that filters chlorine and sendiments and another inner filter for drinking water. I have no doubt RO water is exceptionally clean, and possibly the cleanest. Just wondered if it taste flat as distilled water. Best comparison is you drink a bottle of distilled water and a bottle of mineral water. The difference is the mineral water taste sweeter, not as in sugar sweet but tastier than the distilled water.



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post Mar 25 2009, 07:34 AM

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I wouldn't be too obsessive about the taste. It just depends on the amount of salts in the water.

You're right about the outdoor filter. Just put a small one in the kitchen. It's good enough.
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post Mar 25 2009, 07:57 AM

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got selled drinking distilled water de meh? i thought those r RO water.. to me the taste is the same but mineral water smell diff. regarding bacteria growth.. the water filteration system always employ alluminium in its(purest form) as storage and reflector to the UV light.. ya i agree that as time past the carbon filter will become breeding ground for other organism.. but tat up to us to change it and reactivated it to be reuse again..
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What do you mean "employ aluminium in it's purest form as storage and reflector to UV light"?

Reactivating spent carbon : only too many times you can do this because it reactivates about 75% each time. So there are 25% trapped organics / chlorine in there. Then it's another 75% of that 75%. Now maybe only 50% of the carbon is good. I'll just buy new ones. It's small quantity. Carbon is organic materials so it would decompose in the landfills too.
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i am not sure but tat wat i learn from a documentary bout water" for the flow of water" in india they jus use a aluminium tank and a aluminium cover to cover its water under the cover they employ UV light to kill the germs. but before the water enter the storage it passed by a series of carbon filter..it is the cheapest way to produce clean water in india.. only 2 US DOLLAR perperson a year
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Mar 24 2009, 02:29 PM)
yeah rite. In our grandparents day, main source of water NOT always from rain. Some are taken from rivers and streams. Remember wartime when civilians were killed. Some dumped into rivers, a form of water pollution. Yep our grandparents drank many of those for survival. Tap water were "luxurious".
Unknown (and KNOWN) contaminations been happening for like many decades and centuries. When humans in the past more savage, waging wars, making war machines that produces dust, smokes and dirt that our grandparent breath (on top of NOT getting enough nutrient for their daily meals).

It's only in recent decades that people like us are more informed and educated, and MORE PARANOID over the media's exposure to many issues (environment, health). At the same time, some people "exploit" the situation and bank on it, producing products riding on these issues, and claimed to have improved the daily staple of our lives (better drinking water? better food supplement? better oxygen ?), and putting in scientific catchword that seemed legit.
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You also forgot to mention that back your grandparents day, their health is probably not so good with bad gum, bad teeth, skin rashes , etc etc from drinking from the polluted river.

Mankind progress. Do you want to stay in the stone age? Like people die from TB previously, no cure. But now there is.

Admitly, the water issue has been overblown with agressive marketing campaign, but there are truth in most of it (not all). I'm all for RO water.


Added on March 25, 2009, 9:27 am
QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Mar 25 2009, 07:57 AM)
got selled drinking distilled water de meh? i thought those r RO water.. to me the taste is the same but mineral water smell diff. regarding bacteria growth.. the water filteration system always employ alluminium in its(purest form) as storage and reflector to the UV light.. ya i agree that as time past the carbon filter will become breeding ground for other organism.. but tat up to us to change it and reactivated it to be reuse again..
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I don't drink mineral water...it taste horrible. Furthermore, i read somewhere b4, those 'minerals' in the water are non-organic and can't be asorbed by ur body. You get ur minerals from your food. Water is to cleanse the system and acts as an agent to carry stuff in ur bloodstream.

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post Mar 25 2009, 10:25 AM

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talking about UV water filter, i've seen one model. the structure is very simple, got 1 UV bulb and 1 transparent tube (which made from plastic/polymer...). UV light will kill bacteria as water flows thru transparent tube.

isnt it hazardous? cos UV light degrade polymers and as water go thru, it will carry leached polymers formed by degradation. sad.gif

i've been thinking for long time now and totally forgot bout dis (until u guys brought up this thread....). thx in advance for whom answering this.... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Mar 25 2009, 03:35 AM)
Thanks for the replies.

Another question, is it a good idea to put a outdoor filter that filters chlorine but then the water will be filling up my storage tanks in the house. Will the lack of chlorine in the tanks encourage bacteria growth?

Was thinking of have an outdoor filter that filters chlorine and sendiments and another inner filter for drinking water. I have no doubt RO water is exceptionally clean, and possibly the cleanest. Just wondered if it taste flat as distilled water. Best comparison is you drink a bottle of distilled water and a bottle of mineral water. The difference is the mineral water taste sweeter, not as in sugar sweet but tastier than the distilled water.
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Actually you can't find a outdoor filter that filter clorine like indoor unit. Mostly just reduce clorine because if clorine not present thru out the piping system and the water reserve, germs or bacteria might be duplicating in there. Lol, especially the water reserve tank. Some even had dead rats or cicak inside. Yucks. So please do clean or check the water tank after sometime. lol. tongue.gif
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post Mar 25 2009, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Mar 25 2009, 10:54 AM)
Actually you can't find a outdoor filter that filter clorine like indoor unit. Mostly just reduce clorine because if clorine not present thru out the piping system and the water reserve, germs or bacteria might be duplicating in there. Lol, especially the water reserve tank. Some even had dead rats or cicak inside. Yucks. So please do clean or check the water tank after sometime. lol.  tongue.gif
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Yeah which is why I'm concern about the water tank. If the outdoor unit filters most of the chlorine then I'm just encouraging growth in my water tank. Although I read that most outdoor unit do not remove ALL the chlorine, just a portion of it and if not mistaken, most chlorine evaporates after some time anyway.

I want to filter out some chlorine because sometimes the smell of chlorine also comes from the shower and I read that chlorine absorption is also maximise during bathing in hot showers. So its a dilemma to choose which kind of filters I need. I'm not worried about indoor filters that we use to filter drinking water but more on the water reserve tank.

A typical outdoor sand filter with a carbon layer takes care of the brownish water and treats chlorine, quite sure it doesn't completely removes all chlorine. And an indoor filter will take care of the drinking water. Just need some clarification of the importance of having chlorine present in the water tank.


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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Mar 25 2009, 10:54 AM)
Actually you can't find a outdoor filter that filter clorine like indoor unit. Mostly just reduce clorine because if clorine not present thru out the piping system and the water reserve, germs or bacteria might be duplicating in there. Lol, especially the water reserve tank. Some even had dead rats or cicak inside. Yucks. So please do clean or check the water tank after sometime. lol.  tongue.gif
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seriously...take some time to clean ur water tank. a few years back, i went to my fren house to repair some leakage on his water tank. surprisingly, i found a frog swimming inside. how the hell the frog could climb up there? i dunno either. but just imagine, the water u are using for cooking and drinking: got frog swimming in it.... shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Mar 24 2009, 10:33 AM)
What other people told you is a myth created by salesman. tongue.gif

R.O is the only way to filter drugs contamination.  rclxms.gif

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post Mar 25 2009, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Visualize @ Mar 24 2009, 08:43 PM)
Reading your statement made me think of Darwin's theory of natural selection.

So how about those RO water machine outside shoplots, where you pay 30 cents to get like so much water?
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So today i went to my nearby ro water vending machine. Take a 10 sen coin and put inside. Then wash the bottle with the churn out water from machine.

Went back home and rinse a cup and fill in the ro water i got from the vending machine.

This is what i got:

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Hmm guess they really didn't change the filter. Maybe i should check the vending machine again. Who knows, maybe it is name RO only, but actually is normal filtered water. If it is true ro, readings should be 0. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 25 2009, 02:54 AM)
As for TDS testing system, that is pretty old thinking. Nowadays, water industry tech folks go by specific ions. I think the field test kit strips are pretty cheap. Call up companies in yellow pages. Should be ok.
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I checked out my water supplier's water quality report, and found that TDS is only one out of many many tests they do. So yeah, I think you'd be misleading yourself if the only tool you have to judge water quality is a TDS meter.

From: http://www.sewl.com.au/SiteCollectionDocum...port%202008.pdf
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Drinking water quality standards: Escherichia coli (E. coli), disinfection by-products - chloroacetic acid, dichloroacetic acid, trichloroacetic acid and trihalomethanes, aluminium, turbidity.

Other water quality parameters: Including fluoride, copper, lead, manganese, inorganic compounds, organic compounds, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, pesticides.
                                 
Aesthetic water quality: Colour, pH, iron, chlorine.

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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Mar 25 2009, 03:08 PM)
So today i went to my nearby ro water vending machine. Take a 10 sen coin and put inside. Then wash the bottle with the churn out water from machine.

Went back home and rinse a cup and fill in the ro water i got from the vending machine.

This is what i got:

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003ppm ohmy.gif

Hmm guess they really didn't change the filter. Maybe i should check the vending machine again. Who knows, maybe it is name RO only, but actually is normal filtered water. If it is true ro, readings should be 0. tongue.gif
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told u so.. tat at ur house there.. try go to those busy area and check.. inside all i c is jus 3 big filter and another 3 small filter.. and a uv lamp.. tat all. ur is 003 seem good enough.. but my area here i doubt is tat low.. and regarding the degradation of polymer by uv light.. well if the distributor uses normal plastic then i m speechless.. there is a special PET polymer which able to resist UV degradation.. polymer is addable.. so it depend the uses.. u need UV protection u jus add in UV guard substance into ur polymer--> uv resistant polymer.. hope it answer the question
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Mar 25 2009, 04:50 PM)
I checked out my water supplier's water quality report, and found that TDS is only one out of many many tests they do. So yeah, I think you'd be misleading yourself if the only tool you have to judge water quality is a TDS meter.

From: http://www.sewl.com.au/SiteCollectionDocum...port%202008.pdf
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Well other tools and lab test would cost a hefty sum of money if you are to send them for test every now and then.

That's why It is better to have nothing inside rather than have a cocktail of everything good and bad. Lol
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post Mar 26 2009, 01:08 AM

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Too late now. Will replay tomorrow.

Just a side note. TDS can be converted to Conductivity. 5000 microSiemens/cm is the quality of brackish water (where seawater and river water meet). Typical city water is 200-500 uS/cm.

Mind you, this is an indicator only. Not the full picture. There are many analysis done on water and the Water Boards are suppose to quarantee a certain spec all along the distribution line. NOt sure about the hwole of Malaysia but in Kuching, the water quality is analysed by Jabatan Kimia daily. And the Health Ministry is the one that sets the water quality specs. Huge list.

Heading to bed. Nite2 guys.


Added on March 26, 2009, 1:09 amConductivity is influenced by many things though. NINJAO, blow bubbles into the water and check the TDS reading again. It went up I bet.



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sure the reading will went up.. in our breath alone there is more than jus carbon dioxide..N,H,O,Cetc sure will shoot up the reading..
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xavi, i would suggest to goto GEWater site and try to find out where the library is and start reading there. Some of the info in your posts, a bit alang-alang lah. And I don't quite have the time to answer everything.

The water tech you mention in India. There's a lot of focus on low-tech water purification technologies around the world because of the money profits from the lower income community. But the best I've seen was a submission to the Rolex Environmental Annual Competition a few years ago. An African manufactured clay jars - 2 clay jars and you have a simple but effective water purifier.

Ok, now some of the things spoken about :

Aluminium : I guess it depends on the surface that is in contact with the water. As long as the aluminium doesn't increase the aluminium contenets in the water to alarming levels, should be fine.

UV filter : I wouldn't buy it because I don't drink unboiled water. No matter what, boiling water is still the safest way of destroying bacteria. Just dont' forget to turn off the fire. >.<

Water Quality Tests : There are a lot of them. I think the last time I saw such a report, the analysis covered 2 pages. I alwyas thought that if there was anythign wrong with the drinking water, the Health Dept would be breathing down their backs.

Water Tank Cleaning : It's a good idea to check yes. But don't just simple drain the water lah. Water the garden at least. tongue.gif Sayang the water just like that. And do it at an appropriate time. During dry season, not good lah.

Water tank + bacteria + chlorine : One thing about chlorine is that it is aggressive against metals if in high quantities. So maybe can get hold in water tank after a long time. I wouldn't worry too much about a filtration system unless it's really really bad. I just do end of point filter in kitchen. In the bathroom, I'm not so worried. But if you have the money to spend, go ahead and get your filters.

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I would like to share my experience of using a water filter for drinking and cooking for 5 years.

Poke open its cover last month and shocked to see some growth in the filter itself!!! cry.gif

All the while we have been drinking contaminated water rupa-rupanya! icon_question.gif

Well it was my own mistake not to change the filters according to their schedule.....but hey.....I tried but somehow when I got to know how much more I need to fork out for the filter replacement.....I just said to myself....tak apalah....lain kali boleh buat.... whistling.gif

Anyway....I came to conclusion that buying a water filter system is similar to acquiring a photocopier for the office....it needs excellent support service in order for it to perform as it should. That's how I came across Coway water filter at www.mycoway.net

The good thing is it's not just water filter, but also a water dispenser for hot, room and cold temperature. Some more it's having digital interface which makes it kind of cool with LED lighting.

Unlike other brands that sell almost every type of products including water filter that could be manufactured in China which they then put on their logo stickers, Coway do the R&D and manufacture themselves in Korea.

I cost me just RM110 per month and I need not worry about quality of the filtered water anymore. Coway's service team will come for service every 2 months....sedar-sedar saja diorang call to set appointment. thumbup.gif



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The Coway Petit fits just nice in between other appliances in my kitchen.
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Mar 24 2009, 10:33 AM)
What other people told you is a myth created by salesman. tongue.gif

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yes, this is very true, and i believe what a CWS level6 (the highest level) said, somemore i attended water seminar before, RO is the only way to remove the contamination in water! neway, ppl rather trust a salesman or a highest CWS leh? i dun care if they are whatsoever water technician as i really see the CWS level 6 (he is also a nutritionist!) talking about RO and water in front of me, nice topic u have! ppl shud be aware of water issues and oso RO! check this out: http://www.wqa.org/ i am proud to be a RO user smile.gif

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