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crayzee
post Aug 9 2014, 11:57 PM

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Here's mine just completed today, ML07b aka the Raven RVZ01's brother.

Managed to cramp in mid range spec (Just missing GTX770 to match with Steam Machine) tongue.gif
I5 4460
16gb ram
Gigabyte H97N-Wifi
Gtx760
Silverstone SFX psu 450w
Scythe big shuriken 2
Intel 530 ssd
500gb hdd

Casing fan using
1 X Enermax TB silent cpu side
2 x noctua NFP12 for gpu side

Bought silverstone's flat cable as well for better cable management.
I've read that some mobo couldnt fit certain low profile cpu cooler especially big shuriken, so need to make sure of that.

Plus:
-Compact case, well thought of the arrangement especially pcie riser for gc
-low profile look (looks like AV receiver) suitable to blend in with home theater setup
-CPU and GPU cooling are seperated. My GPU idles around 40C and CPU 38C! Not bad for such a cramped casing.
-Dust filter


Minus:
-Plastic front
-Steel casing
-ML07 does not come with case fan and dust filter unlike RVZ01! Need to fork extra for that
-Casing fan need to use silent version else it' ll be noisy.
-If you inspect closely, the build quality not that refined
-Pain in the ass to assemble but well worth it!
-limited choice for sfx psu
-power button and reset button no tactile feedback. Damn hard to press and it feels like a stucked button

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post Aug 11 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(WIZBUG @ Aug 10 2014, 09:51 PM)
@crayzee Nice BuildĀ  rclxms.gif ! Can we see some more detail picture of you build? And do you think the case would support a graphics card with a 2.5 slots width?

Aaaand on a side note; Corsair made a build guide on youtube for their 380T last week.


From the looks of it the internal arrangement is some what closely resembles corsairs own obsidian 250D (minus the optical drive bay)
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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Aug 11 2014, 08:48 AM)
crayzee yes please post more pictures!!
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i'll post more tonight smile.gif

I think can put a GC with 2.5 slots width but need to make sure the side casing fan are using slim ones or totally removed. I'm using Asus Asus 760gtx (2 slot) and able to put in a noctua PF12 fan with 25mm thickness and still got about 10mm space left (if not mistaken biggrin.gif).

As for the CPU side, Big shuriken 2 + 25mm profile casing fan, i still have a little bit of space left between those 2 biggrin.gif, just fits nicely.

I made a mistake connecting the 2 x Noctua PF12 for the intake for the GC, it's actually not spinning because i used their single LNA adapter for 2 fans doh.gif . Each of fan has to run on one LNA adapter. I didn't check the fan were spinning and straight run Passmark and GC temperatures were 40c idle and 84c load! After i found out and fixed it, the temperatures dropped tremendously. It's about 36c idle and 74c load after 1 hour of gaming biggrin.gif

I also moved the SSD to the side near the PSU as the 760gtx is directly behind it, temperatures of the SSD reaching 52c due to the heat from the backside.

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post Aug 11 2014, 10:44 PM

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As promised here are the pictures of my build

All 4 angles of the casing
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Size comparison with XBOX360, small yet powerful enough. No problem fitting in an i7 with GTX780. My budget not allowed brows.gif
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CPU side with magnetic dust filter FF123 attached. All fans are intake, my setup is positive pressure, the excess heat will be pushed out through the top and back of the casing vent.
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Graphics side with dust filter attached (Noctua fans color are brown sadly not black sad.gif )
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Without the filter
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With the side panel opened, Enermax TB silence at CPU side controlled by mobo PWM. SSD moved near the HDD due to heat emitted from the graphics. Dont wana have premature SSD death sweat.gif
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Scythe big shuriken 2. The fan can get a little noisy under load. As you can see, the height clearance is pretty good and able to fit in another 25mm thick fan, provided you stick with stock shuriken fan biggrin.gif
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PCIE riser removed from mobo. (Total 6 screws to be removed)
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Big shuriken 2 height, able to clear off the components below. I'm using normal ram (not low profile). Ram with heat spreaders may have clearance issue on bank0 hitting the heatpipe
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ASUS GTX760 attached to the PCIE riser adapter. You see there is no problem fitting a longer card like a GTX780
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Ultra fine mesh magnetic dust filter FF123
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GPU side removed, showing Noctua NF-P12
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And final one on my desk with 23" monitor
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post Aug 12 2014, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(WIZBUG @ Aug 12 2014, 08:46 AM)
@crayzee Dude.... that side by side comparison with the the 360.... SWEET!
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Thanks smile.gif

My choice went from Coolermaster Elite 130 to Corsair 250d and finally went for this. They're all are good case at least for me but i wanted something more compact.
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post Aug 12 2014, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(WIZBUG @ Aug 12 2014, 10:55 AM)
Same here! I wanted something that can be fitted in my travel bag or something with a carrying handle. I'm patiently waiting for the corsair 380T. If it's too big to be carried around, then have to go with MLO7 or RVZ01.

Btw, how much did it cost for your case and where did you get it?
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I'm in Penang, so i had to order this from Ideal Tech. RM285.

It doesn't come with dust filter and 3 casing fans unlike RVZ01 sad.gif

The RVZ01 here is selling for 340, more value because you get 3 silent fans and 3 magnetic dust filters (Worth RM84) but i prefer ML07 looks.

For size comparison
The Corsair 380T dimension is 39.3 X 29.2 X 35.6 (cm) = 40 Liters
The RVZ01 38.2 x 10.5 x 35 (cm) = 14 Liters
Steam machine 30.5 x 31.5 x 7.5cm = 7 Liters! shocking.gif (They're able to achieve that due to slimmer profile, without support for side casing fans and optical disk drive and 3.5inch HDD support.


QUOTE(imnovice @ Aug 12 2014, 11:08 AM)
@crayzee, nice setup you have there man.
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post Aug 12 2014, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(WIZBUG @ Aug 12 2014, 12:24 PM)
Not to mention the steam machine uses even a smaller power supply compared to an small form factor power supply.

Thx for the info. I didn't manage or even thought about calculating the volume of the 380T by using its deminsion to compare it in terms size. Much appreciated!
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The steam machine ifixit teardown reveals that it is using SilverStone SST-ST45SF-G biggrin.gif. It's basically a standard SFX PSU, can be used in RVZ01/ML07 as well.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Steam+Machine+Teardown/20473
"We found a SilverStone SST-ST45SF-G 450W SFX12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply in our Steam Machine."
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post Aug 12 2014, 01:50 PM

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EVGA hadron is a nice case too! At 15L volume, it's small and compact as well biggrin.gif
Only letdown is i couldn't find any seller bringing in this
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post Aug 12 2014, 03:20 PM

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I just read the review, the case couldn't fit any standard atx/sfx PSU, they're specially made for the Hadron. Will be a problem to change another PSU aftermarket. Also after fitting mid/high end gc, the dual slot GC will be damn near to the PSU. PSU efficiency drops if temperature increases as the heat from GC may cause the PSU temp to rise too.
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post Aug 12 2014, 05:24 PM

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Yes you can.Refer to this picture, the optical slot load sits slighly below the graphics card. Even you have the longest card able to fit in there is not a problem.

The only problem is the casing does not have eject button. You can only eject the cd in your OS lol

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post Aug 13 2014, 06:24 PM

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Would love to see ML07 type with aluminium frame chassis or brushed aluminium biggrin.gif
Hopefully the price will not be high. Aluminium casings usually are priced at a premium.

I also dont see any eject button. Silverstone please put a proper optical drive eject button on the casing tongue.gif
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post Aug 14 2014, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(WIZBUG @ Aug 13 2014, 06:29 PM)
IMHO it would be reasonably priced if it's around RM320.00 - RM350.00. But ofcourse we all have to wait and see.
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RVZ01 is already 300++ price range, if aluminium version i think usually would be rm700+ price range due to more expensive metal sad.gif

Btw anyone using the silverstone's SFX PSU 450w? Any experience on the fan noise? Mine can be noticable under load sad.gif
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post Aug 16 2014, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Uncle Ron @ Aug 16 2014, 05:32 AM)
Whoaaa!!! Awesome casing!!! Wanna bought like this before but cannot find where to buy... sweat.gif

Btw can i know that's  ODD Slim Type Slot-in come with the casing or buy separately? smile.gif
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ODD is sold seperately. If not mistaken it's a standard mount which is the same for laptops.
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post Aug 16 2014, 10:27 AM

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it should be this type

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post Aug 21 2014, 01:26 PM

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Change ur PSU to SFX and go for silverstone SG05. Only 10.8 liters in volume.
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post Aug 21 2014, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Aug 21 2014, 08:30 PM)
what size is that SFX?  sg05 cant accept standard atx psu?
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yes SG05 cant accept standard atx psu due to the size 222 mm (W) x 176 mm (H) x 276 mm (D), 10.8 liters
GTX660 should be able to fit in, max length SG05 support with 9.5" length card

comparison size atx vs sfx

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post Aug 21 2014, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Aug 21 2014, 08:49 PM)
isnt sg05 only accept mini itx? i just read the spec

http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=210

my mobo is micro atx
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sorry bro, din know you're re-using your mobo biggrin.gif
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post Aug 22 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Aug 22 2014, 04:15 PM)
Hi.whats different btween ML07B &RVZ01?
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Internally they are the same. Externally just the outlook are different. ML07 looks more like a sleek htpc box while RVZ01 design more towards younger audience and more curves. It depends on your taste. Other than that the rest are the same, e.g fan placement, wires.

One thing is that ML07 also missing dust filter and casing fan (you need top up to buy that)

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post Aug 22 2014, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Aug 22 2014, 04:28 PM)
Price?  I cant find ML07 on zhenwei. Where u bought?
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he didnt list it on his sale, i PM-ed him and he said got stock. RM280-290 i think.
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post Aug 23 2014, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Aug 23 2014, 08:53 AM)
Do u install optical drive on ML07?  Its the slimmed one right?
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No i didnt install slim optical drive, there is no need for me. You can opt for external dvd writer, it's cheaper.

QUOTE(Ulysses @ Aug 23 2014, 10:01 AM)
After think deeply about it, I think im going to build sff as it benefits lot n term of space.  Got 1k budget.  Can stretch for cpu...Here my plan.  Mostly I copy crayzee previous post. Here the thing I need to buy (cant recycle current)

Asus H87I-plus(1150) rm330
Silverstone ML07b Rm280
Silverstone ST45SF-G Rm360
Cpu haswell I havent think of.any suggestions?
Im using msi gtx660 gaming series. Will the psu 450watt enough?
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For CPU up to you, i've seen many ppl going for i7 4770 (4 core 4 HT) and xeon e3-1230v3 (4core 4HT no IGP) but for me i5 4460 is already enough (4 Cores)
You still need to add dust filter and casing fans, that shuld be another rm100++ biggrin.gif
ST45SF-G should be enough to support gtx660 (150w) as my gtx760 (170w) used without any issues. I've seen other forums ppl used GTX780 without issues as well.

After add up all those already exceed ur 1k budget sweat.gif
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post Aug 23 2014, 11:01 AM

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i5 is more than enough enough for daily tasks and gaming. Even my old c2d dual core is sufficient for me doing photoshop work but they run on ssd tongue.gif

for video intensive app, you need more ram. Nowadays 8gb is should be enough if you dont do very big video editing.

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