Hey sifu sifu here... Gotta ask some question about this Honda Civic Hybrid.
Is this car good in terms of power, maintainance, and reliability?
From wat i heard, the maintainance cost of Hybrid car aint cheap compared to normal car..
Gotta get 1 Civic soon, and i'm considering between the 2.0iV-tec and the Hybrid version..
Will the Hybrid version car underpowered compared to 2.0 iv-tec and how about the maintainance cost for the Hybrid's???

This post has been edited by ryan man: Mar 23 2009, 01:24 PM

Isn't this a stupid question ?? I hope you know what's the main purpose of hybrid car

the motor kicks in during low speed acceleration. so in city driving it shouldnt feel underpowered. not sure if it assists during highway driving, but iianm at highway speeds accelerating and overtaking is slow since only the engine is used. and a 1.3L some more.

Civic 2.0 is 155hp, while Civic hybrid is juz 1.3 - 110hp. u say which 1 is powerful ler?

luckily he didnt ask which one has better fuel consumption. and i really curious about maintenance, what kind of maintenance are u talkin about..

This post has been edited by dr3w: Mar 23 2009, 01:47 PM

battery replacement mate

If you are so concern about the maintenance cost, just forget about the hybrid, get the 2.0 Civic.

This is true for Honda Hybrid (sadden to say)

Power = Honda Civic Hybrid (Hy) will still lose to conventional Honda Civic (NA) . Dont ever think of adding turbo to a HY car

Fuel Consumption = NA will win over HY, unless you're on highway. On full 100% KL-road, the hybrid technology used by HY does not kick in often enough to justify. You'll still save some money but the ratio money-saved-per-usage is still not in an nice figure.

HY will save alot more petrol compares to NA if it is on the highway or on a non-stop road (read: no traffic-jam).

Price = NA will win simply because 1.6 vs 1.3

Spare parts = NA will win simply because HY uses newer technology that is available only at higher price at the moment.

Ying-effect = HY will win because it is the ONLY hybrid car in Malaysia.

Take your pick. Dont get conned by the HYBRID word used by this Honda Hybrid.



For all reader , check the attachment, and you will realize what I mean.


edit: cant find it, but there was an article i read some time ago which calculates the ROI for all hybrids in the world. The shocking news is that hybrid (due to it's higher cost) doesnt provide a nice ROI compares to normal cars[SIZE=1]

This post has been edited by Dovienya: Mar 23 2009, 03:25 PM


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Just get the 2.0. As long as you don't heavy foot, it save petrol consumption. The HYBRID won't good for you and in Malaysia. After you complain no power and high FC. ( cause you keep on heavy foot to overcome the low torque)
Anyway, the petrol here is still cheap.

hybird has low torque meh? the electric motor produces lots of torque wor?

neway... get the 2.0 is better... i wonder whats d hype about hybird n all... vw has non hybird cars that has lower fc

Electric motor got plenty of torque. Just that like everyone said, when you're heavy footed driver loves to floor it, the electric motor is completely useless.

1. FC city drive NA is better during peak hour? are u sure?
cruising 0 - 40kmh, engine is off, no fuel is burned. electric motors all the way. when your car is idle, the engine is stopped. zero emission.
(the reason to get Hybrid is to save fuel, so you can put performance aside)

2. 1.6 vs 1.3? we dont have any 1.6 civic here.. its 1.8 and 2.0 only

3. i've seen grey importers bring in prius, alphard hybrid, harrier hybrid etc..

You can search in Star Motoring where they wrote a review about a normal Civic VS the hybrid. It is pretty informative but back then, it doesn't justify to spend so much more to get the hybrid. With the recent price drop, you can well consider it if you want.

Btw, I'm not sure if the Civic Hybrid has a facelift? Anyone knows?

Sorry not low torque. It is low acc or slow pickup.

By the way, How long the battery can last? 2yrs? 4yrs? By that time, how much does it cost to replace the battery? It is not like our normal car battery right?

the battery if im nt mistaken can last 200,000 kms for prius, the replacement is indeed expensive but you would have probably sell the car by then

dono where u got this info from.
misleading

new price, new facelift launched earlier than the recently facelift civic..

Hybrid works best in a stop n go traffic. While stopping, the engine will re-charge the battery and when start moving again, it will use the motor because its provide higher torque. Until certain speed when the motor is no longer efficient, the engine takes over.

someone from paultan mentioned this:

As they mentioned that a Civic hybrid battery can last for about 4 years and it cost RM8000 to replace

since the price of oil in M'sia is still reasonable, i think there is no need to buy Hybrid unless TS is a Green Peace Lover

RM8000 / 48 month = RM167 per month.....with hybrid it can really save up fuel more than RM167 per month??

Even if petrol go up till rm2.7, it still expensive to replace the battery.

better recomend TS to install NGV

yes... this is good info... recently last year i think top gear ran a comparison between prius and a big cc car... for long distance n on d highway d fc for prius is realy high

youre not going to replace the battery everyday, monthly or yearly basis..
31km/l for a hybrid car its a good figure... + RM167 monthly (battery)
11.63km/l for 2L Civic VTEC

someone do the math if we travel, let say around 3000km monthly, fuel price at rm1.8/L

Between NGV and Hybrid, I choose Hybrid. Cause you do not need to look for NGV station for fill up. Also, Hybrid are for much decent driving. NO hard pedal. pretty much its a quiet car.

don't simply give wrong info if u're not very sure abt how the whole things work.

IMHO, hybrid tech is still not matured enough.

I agree that if TS really want something that has low FC, better go for NGV. NGV car can also run on petrol.

p/s: To all, please don't give wrong info on hybrid, and please don't mistaken that hybris=electric car.

Don't buy new cars yet!

When government introduce the new Euro 2M diesel, I'm sure both Toyota and Honda will bring in diesel version of Civic and Altis here.

FC-wise, diesel beats petrol and hybrid any time.

Why? Diesels have great low to mid end torque at very low revs.

And diesel are also more efficient than petrol engine due to higher compression ratio.

actually honda hybrid is for those wanna help to save the environment. which mean for rich ppl. those ppl have mercedes and bmw and sport car, why not get a hybrid car, juz for showing purpose.
u are rite the maintaince is definitely costly than a normal car. if wan save fuel, maybe u can consider civic 1.8 or city lor save fuel and money.
or else better go civic 2.0 or accord 2.0( juz topup 12k money only).
another thing, i heard the civic hybrid power is comparable with civic 1.8.

For start, let me apologies if my post is misleading.

Secondly, please allow me to rephase what I have written.

1. Hybrid (from what I know) works best if the engine is constantly moving. When constantly moving, it will use engine-alternators to charge the battery, then that battery will be used to power the engine (and thus, reduce the overall dependency on petrol).

2. I meant to say Hybrid will win in a highway situation (refer point.1) because in a KL situation (read: peak hour), the capacity (ratio) of the alternator charging the battery and using the battery's power to run the engine is lower comparing to in a highway situation.

2.1 Do enlighten me if the overall concept of a hybrid (for Honda Hybrids) is no longer using alternator to charge the battery when the car is moving, and then using the battery to power the car (?)

3. Let not talk about grey importer for the time being, it will tend to include non-relevents topics such as spare part for Toyota Prius, repair etc etc. It would be easier if we limit our discussion to the hybrids available in Malaysia. Simply, because if Toyota actually bring Prius to Msia Market (hell will freeze over first), it would've be the best seller and would have (both) my thumb-up for anyone who wanted to buy it.


Lastly, to all that seem to know more than me, please do enlighten me, TS and all reader on the information that you have. Forums are meant for us to discuss, compares and enlight one-another, just for you to simply bash. It is pointless to just write a post "You do not know what you are talking about, noob!!" and then does nothing to justify what they mean, or to explain why I was wrong in what I was writting. But, by doing exactly that, you're just giving the impression that you wanted to say something, but you have nothing to justify your post (read: empty pot produces the loudest sound)


p/s: Sorry, didnt realize that there is no 1.6 civic. It makes my point even clearer. For the same amount of money, you can choose between a 1.3 hybrid engine and a 1.8 (min?) normal inspired engine.




This post has been edited by Dovienya: Mar 24 2009, 09:45 AM

you need to research more on how hybrid works dovienya.
your concept is wrong from point 1, and that leads to misleading info for the rest of your points.

this is how the system really works:

I thought the comparison was made when the Prius was running on maximum power and the M3 chasing with only half of its power?
The lesson was more about your right foot, not entirely about big CCs, although I have to agree that higher CCs tend to save more for long distance journey.

i asked the sales person it will be under power or not... he said it's the same as the 1.8 as they use all light weight stuff on the hybrid

besides that I asked can change the rim because the rim in hybrid is not nice but the said not recommended to change rim as it's light weight rim alloy or something.

need more input from you guys expert.

larger engined cars also tend to have higher gear ratios for higher top speed. at normal highway speeds the rpm would be low. but it doesnt apply to racing cars with close ratio transmissions

I see.
Apologies for all the wrong info in my post .

yes, the whole package is designed to save fuel and reduce drag. it has underside diffuser as well.
light weight? i dont think so.. curb weight is in between 1.8 and 2.0

eehh ..

if stuck in the jam for more than 2-3 hours ...

will cause any problem not ?? since the battery will cost rm8k ( 4 years is depend on average mileage or what?? )!!!

( coz now always like to suddenly drop superb heavy rain and then will jam like hell )

I have tested the car ...

is very comparable with the 1.8 civic.

in low RPM the car willy can perform but if you want to have hight speed i dont that car will suit.....

as you understand the eletric motor is to help for your low rpm so that you can save up petrol when start your car when the car go more than 2k rpm the petrol engine will start to kick in...

if your do alot of high speed crussing i dont think will save much....

ask i use that car for 100km ride i think that if u always drive the car 110kmh i think the best petrol is around 16kml average.

is a very good car for town and smooth travaling.

not for high speed ride.

event you see our singapore people also not much hybrid on the road i think untill now i check with the SA in singapore they said they have sold in 4 year around 100 car untill now .....

event toyota is around less than 50 hybrid only untill now....



This post has been edited by monster2020: Mar 26 2009, 09:16 PM

Mine is a 2009 HCH, the IMA light start to on daily basis now. Have anyone change the IMA battery? HM quote me 9k plus.....any recon IMA battery available?

Plan to buy an used civic hybrid 2009 , any comment or suggestion?

if you are thinking of this car just cause it seems cheap for a civic... dont, its not like civics out there.... if you want one for the sake of owning a hybrid and actually want to make a dif... well up 2 u........

You need to know that Honda's hybrid is not a full hybrid like the prius and hence the fuel efficiency is lower than a full hybrid like the prius.

Mainly for better fuel consumption and new hybrid model above budget

Mainly for better fuel consumption and new hybrid model above budget