"...Even though we ain't got money,
I'm so in love with you honey,
Everything will be a chain of love~ove"

"Everything is gonna be alright...
Love a guy who holds the world... in a paper cup
Drink it up... Love him and he'll bring you luck..."

@All guys: Looking over the thread, I kinda agree with debbie and I am a guy. Before you go on bashing her more, I wanted to quote her thread that 7Chai replied to; just stuck deep into the pages de till I lazy find.

I can see her concern because too many a time I meet in life there will be a guy who wants to be rich/power/keng/etc but never start or do anything. End up is just talk, no result and worse is bash people who want to make something of their lives.

Good:
People who make effort the right way is good guy la. Got 1 friend work and found not enough money so do part time. He also open minded to find new jobs that can pay better.
My friend's dad- grandpa gave him 1 shop to handle as a handover. He turned it into 2nd board listed company. GG (ideal for you right debbieyss?)

No-nos:
Old workmate in my office? Say no money, go back damn sharp at 6 pm (office official hours at 6), and no bother to learn more value skills. Old workmate of my friend? Complain about job lousy, want to cabut from study bond by company etc. Din't bother to apply jobs elsewhere till now still stuck in old job. My friend got new job elsewhere which bought his bond over. How's that for size?

As a guy myself, I used to be a no-nos. Talk only no steps done. Now changing for better; contact franchise, contact mall for rental space, going to view house to buy to rent, visit bank ask for loan package etc. Need start some steps la. Damn sked end up a no-no again.

On the side note, guys would have no problem getting girls when the are on the good side as I mention. Also, since they have a choice- you can pick la which type of girl you want: If you want good girl, OK no probs. If you want normal girl, also OK. If you want gold diggers, OK also no prob. Up to you.

@Girls who are pro this thread: Remember if your guy is something that you like, then your peers and those who think like you would be eyeing that man too. Make sure you up your ante to keep that man. Like in CC thread here many guys find difficult to maintain pretty gfs.