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post Mar 16 2009, 11:40 AM

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Thoroughly enjoying myself in breakers. Now losing my voice due to yelling too much. doh.gif
anyway its thoroughly worth it tongue.gif
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post Mar 16 2009, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(corez @ Mar 16 2009, 02:24 PM)
Ok, I'm not saying this is right or wrong.

Part of the reason for success that we had is because SAF create some sort of "siege" mentality like us against the rest of the world such as FA, EUFA, the press or others. This will sort of unite the players and motivate them more.

Mourinho did try to emulate this kind of tactics during his years at Chelsea.

I'm DEFINATELY sure that in private i.e. locker room he will give the players a good scolding for performing terribly. Proof, that famous Beckham cut above the eyebrow.

Just that in public he will not condemn the players.
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I also think so, its sort of motivational tools. Somehow RB seems lacks this touch as well as 'human factor' as noted by few in here.
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post Mar 16 2009, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 16 2009, 03:33 PM)
I have to echo on of popsoul's sentiments that if anything, this may serve as motivation to other visiting sides, that Man Utd can be beaten at Old Trafford. Am hoping to have the same impact as our win at Stamford Bridge had.
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Ditto to that, as too many times teams were already rolled over even before kick-off. there's an article on this weeks ago, those managers included Moyes, redknapp, allardyce, bruce and few others.
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post Mar 18 2009, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(blinky @ Mar 17 2009, 08:12 PM)
Anyone here from Liverpool?

I might need some help in getting stadium tour and match tickets sad.gif
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Stadium tour on weekdays will be available easily i think.
The problem is getting match tickets, which is pretty much sold out every game. Buying from touts is very costly & risky. sweat.gif
Btw, there wont be any stadium or museum tour on match day
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post Mar 18 2009, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Mar 18 2009, 01:03 PM)
if dubai company buy us..anything will impossible start from that point..benitez will be wise to use all the money and build a team that unbeatable..but..when?pray gillet bankrup la... sweat.gif
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as far as i know, currently the dubai state itself is facing financial problem, all development except civil works are stopped. They even have to go to the federal government to bail them out, so what makes u think that they still have $$$ to play around?
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post Mar 18 2009, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Mar 18 2009, 01:24 PM)
that is dubai goverment...not the company in dubai
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actually the so called government owns the company.
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post Mar 18 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 18 2009, 02:25 PM)
Unfortunately, the way we criticize the team(from what I seen) was to lay the blame on Lucas even when the whole team play badly...Most of us did...
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Tot the blames mostly on rotation or RB ? no? hmm.gif
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post Mar 18 2009, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Mar 18 2009, 03:15 PM)
Rafa was never far away from my hit list..... Was about to restart the whole Rafa debate again.... sweat.gif
Lucas didn't get much action last season But I also remember whenever we played; he would always gets the stick besides Kyut.

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Well for one, even if to replace RB with another, who'll that be & can bring instant success at minimal budget? Considering all the available names, I still think RB is the best man, since this team has his name & style printed on it.
Actually though Lucas improved quite a bit, I'd still see him nothing more than a replacement, for shouldn't a pro know & can play a decent game each time? As for Kuyt, he really is a good player but not great, to be frank he'll never be great cos his game is not base on this. Still his touch for the second half of the season seems improved a lot.
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post Mar 18 2009, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 18 2009, 06:19 PM)
solstice818,

I'd be blunt, can you please stop getting so emotional and please please not have this undying need to reply to everything.
Most of us have had run ins with guys from the other thread, and me and air_mood have actually managed to get the united thread temporarily locked before, but do I get the same amount of stick as you do over there?
You want me to post up the totally inapporopriate and offensive 'retards arguing on the net photos as a reminder? shakehead.gif
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Hey that happened not long before jonno got banned, that time its so freaking hot in there tongue.gif
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post Mar 19 2009, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 19 2009, 12:06 AM)
Is David Weather good? I havent seen much of him...Any idea?
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Typical British style defender, all brawn with little or no brain tongue.gif

QUOTE(blinky @ Mar 19 2009, 12:56 AM)
Both of them together with Xavi won the Euro Championship for Spain, although El Nino played a little deeper than he should in support of the target man Villa.
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Actually me thought that would it be more effective if Villa playing deeper & Torres as target man? I mean, well Torres been proven as targetman with us as lone striker whereas Villa actually has bigger striker as foil like Morientes. Somemore, Torres is well built while Villa seems more mobile type of a striker.

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post Mar 19 2009, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Mar 19 2009, 03:27 PM)
if tactical deployment always win , than with rafa's genius on tactics ,liverpool would have been infront by many points by now.

the present day football is much more than on tactical battle alone.

rafa benitez military style tactical plan may be useful on and with big team but the same tactics on smaller team may backfire as he found out many times . the reason is simple , small team in the likes of  fulham or stoke wouldn't give a damn , they just go out with the bus park in front and frustrate the hell out of you. how do you deal with that

the article is good reading though
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Actually thats the problem with us for the past few seasons. But normally our form from Jan onwards will be very good but somehow it doenst match up to previous seasons for this campaign. As far as I can remember this problem dated to somewhere in Evans era. Back then the team can annihilate any comers but at the same time can be annihilated by those teams as well.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 19 2009, 03:30 PM)
Rematch! Rematch!
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maybe u'll get it in UCL tongue.gif


Added on March 19, 2009, 3:39 pm
QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 19 2009, 03:33 PM)
well, if u have been watching the matches that were drawn...all of them had chances to be won but didnt due to poor finishing.
even the stoke game had a weirdly disallowed goal.
basically rafa's tactics didnt backfire, the players just misfire.
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but in reality, me thinks that sometimes its due to Rafa instinct that play for not losing first as Maddie would say. If let loose, the team is a real joy to watch.

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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Mar 19 2009, 05:14 PM)
i think a lot of teams will use their pacey striker to go up against vidic, and using short, simple, quick passes to forwards
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Don't think its as simple as that. If only its as easily as that then Villa will slaughter them when they meet due to the 2 pacy players in Agbhonlahor & Young.
I suppose its a combination of other factors like formation, strategies etc.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 19 2009, 06:05 PM)
And although many strikers will be able to match Torres (who isn't exactly the fastest anyways) when it comes to speed, few can equal his acceleration and the ease in which he changes pace and direction. I think it is this and not raw speed that troubles ppl like vidic and carragher.


Added on March 19, 2009, 6:11 pmAlso, read somewhere that Rooney and Gerrard are actually friends?  shakehead.gif
That's the last thing i would expect, with the "I hate Liverpool" and "I hate Man Utd" bile from both of them... unless of course I what i heard/read is wrong  hmm.gif
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I think Torres is handful due to combination of skills, strength, speed (physically & mentally), positioning etc (means he has everything shocking.gif ).

Ditto to that thought they'll be sworn enemy since one a blue & another a red from young. Wish some of us here can learn something from them tongue.gif
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post Mar 20 2009, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 20 2009, 12:25 AM)
Everdying tells Evans to go read articles by Paul Tomkins on rotation myth.
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Should have just tells him what he told Jonno back then (as per Jonno siggy) tongue.gif

QUOTE(popsoul @ Mar 20 2009, 12:54 AM)
and Gerrard just said "We fear no-one"

\m/

F*** me and i said "Bring on any team"

^^

Probably no-one wants us

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How I wish, he just be low profile & get on with business, somehow i think most ppl that opens their big mouth end up being bitten shakehead.gif

Knowing our luck, we'll get tough teams as oppose to the other. But somehow me think Platini will do everything to ensure 2 ties between the 4 english teams whistling.gif
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post Mar 20 2009, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 20 2009, 10:34 AM)
For the love of football, no more Chelsea. Its been done to death and as cliche as it sounds, it had always been and always will be mere tactical battle between the 2 clubs. I know we can beat them but i would like to see us playing another club, preferably a none English club. It is European football after all.
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Yup, preferably it'll be some european team that we not yet meet. Chelsea will only result in a chess battle.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 20 2009, 10:43 AM)
it'll be united.
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They'll most probably gotten Villareal or Porto tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jcsy @ Mar 20 2009, 10:47 AM)
Thierry Henry’s frequent admissions that he would only return to England from Barcelona to play for Liverpool make him a possibility.

Sausa-ges : http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/90074
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can we afford him? can he adapt playing second fiddle to Torres? Or should we adopt other formation to accommodate him? & he's not young anymore is he unsure.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 20 2009, 12:45 PM)
disagree. i'd keep babel. despite his flaws, he offers much more than henry.
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agree with this, but somehow his progress seems stagnant. well for Henry, the only way is down for him as age is catching up, unless he change his playing styles as dramatically as Barnes to centre midfielder, he practically offer nothing to us. Harsh as it may sounds, it does give u an indication of it seeing how desperate Barca wanna offload him.

QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Mar 20 2009, 12:55 PM)
i do rate aaron lennon and glen..aaron still 21...he can give us witdh,speed,pace to our right flank..the most important..he is better than kuyt at that position..kuyt cant play as a winger as he cant beat defender at all.....aaron will..for glen..at chelsea he dont play enough to show his potential..how he can shows his potential al chelsea..even wayne bridge,the 2nd top left full back for england dont play enough there...at posmouth glen show he is great defender even outshine the arsenal full back in the current epl teams teams of the season..he can attack and score goal ...he will be good addition to our squad..
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With lennon & johnson on the same right side will be suicidal. Lennon is not known to track back while johnson is more reknown for marauding upfield rather than defending. Seeing how Kuyt tirelessly defends & attacks from right hand side, those 2 wont be able to replicate those. It will definitely unbalanced the team. Johnson behind kuyt would be more acceptable.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 20 2009, 01:15 PM)
I would say the problem lies with Rafa. He only works well with a specific type of players, players who are self motivated and hungry for success. Although many would say that these are the only kind of players that one wants in a team, i disagree. Managing is about making the most of what you have, inspiring and guiding others to be outperform expectations, it is about bringing the best out of people and not only working with the best.

Still, Rafa is relatively young as a manager (and a very successful one that that compared to those of the same age) and has plenty of time to learn. If he were only less stubborn doh.gif

Come to think of it (totally unrelated), I believe Gerrard's partly to blame for the Keane fiasco, remember the 'friendly chat' he had with the ex-player who promptly blabbed to the press'? As captain, how could he then face Keane during training and vice versa?
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Too bad being motivational with human touch definitely not his strong points tongue.gif
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post Mar 20 2009, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 20 2009, 02:30 PM)
a majority of the players? a majority of the remaining players i would say, those who don't get shipped out. It wouldn't matter if Liverpool were rolling in the money. But Liverpool isn't. Honestly, call me a muppet but i still have my reservations about rafa and he has yet to do anything to convince me otherwise.

as for being professional, cannot agree with that at all, Gerrard's been a model spokeperson has he?  whistling.gif
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a devil in disguise spotted tongue.gif

but honestly, who'll u see better in the seat for now. Assuming that every names is available.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 20 2009, 02:42 PM)
i fancy hiddink, but the fella seems to be destined to manage chelsea instead.
rafa's tactically astute, and most importantly young, but he is not yet the finished article - give him a few years and he will be, although i rather he did not do his learning at the expense of Liverpool.
he's set himself up for a very very big fall, I'm afraid, hopefully the pressure won't be the end of him.
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but hiddink not exactly setting the world alight during his time as RM or Val coach. The thing with him is he is wholly suitable for underdog teams just like he did with korea, psv, russia & to a certain extend, the current chelsea. Maybe the heavy expectation might take a toll on him as well. unsure.gif
Come to think of it, we're not exactly favorite either. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Mar 20 2009, 05:27 PM)
and with that printed out all seven teams will be racing to draw liverpool in the next round.

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Easier said than done then.. tongue.gif

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