Need help from any lappy experts..
Looking for a laptop/notebook with a few specific models to consider..

1. Brand:Any from stated models
2. Budget:Around RM3k of coz preferably lower
3. Specs:All stated below about the same..what matters most for me is the GC..not neccessarily high requirement like Crysis game..just bit below that..decent one..u know what i mean..
4. Size:Any from stated models

Thanks in advance.

Specifically looking into these models...(did some research myself just need final decision)

ASUS
M50 series-M50VC20DPM(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -15inch
F81 series-F81SE20DHB(ati mobility hd 4570 512vram) -14inch
N series-N50VC20DPM(geforce 9300M GS,512vram) -15inch

HP
Pavilion dv3611TX(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) - 13.3inch
Pavilion dv4(geforce 9200M GS 512vram) -14.1inch <--need to confirm on this one..is it really 9200 GS?not typo?

Acer
Aspire 4937G-842G32(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -14inch
Aspire 4730ZG-424G25(ati mobility hd 3470 256vram) -14inch

Dell
Inspiron 1427(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -14inch
Studio 15(ati mobility hd 4570 256/512vram) -15inch

Toshiba
M300-S411(ati mobility hd 3470 256vram) -14inch

Graphics:
(ordered from most powerful to least powerful..correct me if im wrong)
1.ati mobility HD 4570 512ram
2.ati mobility HD 4570 256ram
3.ati mobility HD 3470 256ram
4.geforce 9300M GS 512ram
5.geforce 9200M GS 512ram

helpful links:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht.../language_tools

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphi...List.844.0.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon...gtx,2270-6.html

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/587543

(looking for GC comparisons and if can the best performance:money ratio will be helpful)

edit:btw this is my first post..newbie here..lol

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 22 2009, 11:52 AM

ya i know its the most powerful one..but then look at price also..
i mean..considering all the selected models is it the BEST for
performance/money ratio wise?

need help deciding..huhu

thx 4 fast reply btw..

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 22 2009, 12:17 PM

*Prices from pc fair flyers*

ASUS
M50 series-M50VC20DPM(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -15inch [RM2999]
F81 series-F81SE20DHB(ati mobility hd 4570 512vram) -14inch [rm3,099]
N series-N50VC20DPM(geforce 9300M GS,512vram) -15inch [rm3,099]

HP
Pavilion dv3611TX(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -13.3inch [RM2,999 after rebate](after rm700 rebate..dunno how much actually coz got from pc fair flyer)
Pavilion dv4(geforce 9200M GS 512vram) -14.1inch [RM3,999]

Acer
Aspire 4937G-842G32(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -14inch [RM2,999]
Aspire 4730ZG-424G25(ati mobility hd 3470 256vram) -14inch [RM2,199]

Dell
Inspiron 1427(geforce 9300M GS 512vram) -14inch [RM 2,799]
Studio 15(ati mobility hd 4570 256/512vram) -15inch [RM2699(for 256ram)/RM3,299(for 512ram)]

Toshiba
M300-S411(ati mobility hd 3470 256vram) -14inch [RM3,399]

this link maybe helpful:http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=992369&hl=flyer

Thx again

edit:yeah..special mention..some might wanna consider putting in BenQ's s42 into the lineup..i don't mind..i mean the specs are up to par with these models am i rite? btw its price is RM3599

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 22 2009, 02:49 PM

hmm...thx 4 the reply tho..still need more people's comments on this one..

After thinking over,i have decided to cut down the list to 3 models only..

Dell Studio 15 [RM3299]
Intel Core2Duo Processor P8600
Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium
4GB DDR2 SDRAM
320GB HDD
15.6" WLED Display
512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD4570
DVD Burner
1-Year Limited Hardware Warranty
*Free Targus Synergy Carry Case

Aspire 4937G-842G32 [RM2999]
Intel Core2Duo Processor P8400
Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium
2GB DDR3 RAM
320GB HDD
14" backlit TFT LCD (widescreen)
Nvidia Geforce 9300M GS with up to 2303MB of TurboCache technology(512mb of dedicated DDR2 vram,up to 1791 of shared system memory )
Integrated 8X DVD-Super MUlti Double-Layer Drive
Acer bio-protection fingerprint solution
Dolby optimized surround sound with 2 built-in stereo speakers
Integrated Acer Crystal Eye High Definition webcam
1-year Limited International Traveller's Warranty

F81 series-F81SE20DHB [RM3099]
Intel Core2Duo Processor T6400
Genuine Windows Vista Home Basic
2GB RAM
250GB HDD
14" WXGA Display
ATI Mobility Radeon HD4570,512MB VRAM
Bluetooth
1.3MP Webcam
8x Super Multi-Dual Drive

now which one gives the best in terms of performance/money ratio?now juz have to pick between these 3 models

i'm leaning towards Dell's 15"..hmm..

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 22 2009, 04:29 PM

yea..me too..my priority is more on performance..so i've decided to go with Dell 15"
thanx 4 helping me decide astria..fast reply and informative..really good work
and others too

well,if u dun mind 2nd hand..i'm selling off Studio 14..revised price now 2.2k..
its a Dell..still left 1 year warranty..used for 4 weeks oni..nice for ur purposes..
here's the link:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...=dell+studio+14

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Added on April 24, 2009, 12:15 pmi bet there is major difference..if u take a look at chart of notebookcheck.com..quite far ranking..60 and 101 wo..
sumore double the shaders..3Dmark06 score for 4570 is 3170..for 3470 oni 1959..

but in the end,it all depends on what games u wanna play..and how detailed u wan(use AA filters,anistropic,etc,etc)
if u still not satisfied,u can check on the net for review of both this gc..

but i dunno if its worth the RM600

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 24 2009, 12:25 PM

depends on your use..gaming or not?

yeah..ram can easily be upgraded..just open up the ram panel at bottom of lappie with screwdrivers..then remove the old ones and replace with new ones..simple.hdisk is also same..but a bit hard..may void warranty for some..

graphic card..theoritically and practically can,but it is such a tedious process..(such a pain the a** if u ask me)..may even involve separating the LCD display from th the lappie itself..takot woo..just type 'how to remove graphic card from laptop' in youtube n u can see edi..

so,most ppl who buy laptop is stuck with what they have oni..hope this helps

btw,astria..u seem to love computers much..like a collector or sumting.haha.
even ur dad's rig is pretty sweet..
ur nex aim is asus f8?mind sharing the spec?

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Added on April 24, 2009, 4:23 pmno prob bro.

"A graphics processing unit or GPU (also occasionally called visual processing unit or VPU) is a dedicated graphics rendering device for a personal computer, workstation, or game console. Modern GPUs are very efficient at manipulating and displaying computer graphics, and their highly parallel structure makes them more effective than general-purpose CPUs for a range of complex algorithms. A GPU can sit on top of a video card, or it can be integrated directly into the motherboard. More than 90% of new desktop and notebook computers have integrated GPUs, which are usually far less powerful than those on a video card."

got this from wikipedia..i highlight the important parts 4 u..

integrated GPU=integrated into motherboard(can't be removed from motherboard)..like intel's
dedicated GPU=the GPU sit on top of video card..some medium to high-end laptops comes with this..usually stated how much memory the video card have..(e.g:256ram,512ram,etc)





This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 24 2009, 04:23 PM

owh..i forgot to mention that one..some laptop use shared memory to gain more power for graphic processing..these ones usually takes up some of your system RAM that u install in your laptop..

for example:64mb dedicated(built in)+some shared memory from ur RAM=300 total memory..

correct.256mb ati is dedicated 256mb already from ati video card.
300mb integrated means sumting like 64mb dedicated+some system RAM(not graphic card one).

so,256mb dedicated is better than 64mb dedicated rite?
plus,if ur video card support shared memory..even better.

its like this:

1.64mb dedicated+256mb borrowed from system RAM=320 total
2.256mb dedicated+256mb borrowed from system RAM=512 total

from this,u can see that no 2 is better right?of course this only applies to system that support shared memory..(u can see some stickers say up to 320mb or sumting)

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Added on April 24, 2009, 5:33 pmwhat he mean is for example if u compare ati hd 4570(256mb dedicated) with ati hd 3470(256mb dedicated)..same ram rite?but the number in front usually shows which one is better..given the dedicated ram are the same..

in this case..the 4570 is the winner bcoz better GPU..(4series vs 3series)


This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 24 2009, 05:33 PM

check my previous posts.all explained in detail..

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 25 2009, 12:14 PM

this is a tough one..but then again not really..cuz the VRAM stated in your case is clearly "shared memory"..that is it takes part of ur system RAM..and uses it to gain more graphical power..so then the 'real' dedicated ram is sumting like 256mb actually for ati 3470..not 1021MB..the 1021MB refers to after u hv shared with ur system RAM..

unless were talking about a 'real' dedicated 1021mb ati 3470 vs 256mb ati 4570..thats a different story..
but most of the time..the real power comes from the GPU or sometimes called the chipset..(the series number infront like ati 4xxx or ati 3xxx)

and like astria mentioned,using system RAM actually is
1.slow
2.it takes up your system RAM..so u only got what u have left for using Windows,other appplications,etc,etc..this isn't a problem actually if u have plenty of system RAM to spare..like 4GB of RAM..but might pose a problem if lower


This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 25 2009, 04:44 PM

ayark..already explained.look below..

and yes,its not 1021 dedicated..its actually way lower than that..

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 25 2009, 06:40 PM

usually its writen there..sumting like Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 3470 with 256mb ram(up to 1021mb total shared memory)..sumting like that.
acer notebooks are good example..see on the stickers..

owh..and i forgot to say..the dedicated in this case is 256mb..not 1021mb

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 25 2009, 07:12 PM

ok..now..i need some help..
need a list of potentially good choice of notebooks for max budget 3k..
willing to go for max price if there are any good ones..

and yeah..its for gaming..so gc is my most concern

considering dell studio 15"..any other mentions?

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 26 2009, 12:46 PM

for this one,i need clarification on this..i know some say Intel GC is enough for DOTA or CS..
but some intel performance are bad..
yes,both can run..and its playable..but what i'm seeking is

1.for Dota,does it lag when there are too many creeps or spells thrown around the screen?(default setting)
2.for CS,can it play CS Source (not 1.6)without any lag?(default setting also)

really appreciate feedback from who has tested this..Intel 4500MHD owners especially or other Intel integrated cards..

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Added on April 26, 2009, 1:04 pmi know,but my budget is tight.for 3k max what do u recon astria?the most i can get..any other models beside studio 15?

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 26 2009, 01:06 PM

thx 4 the reply..useful info.

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Added on April 26, 2009, 2:06 pmi think 4 u maybe dell studio 15 (the 256mb ati hd 4570 version)..or for a lower price take notebook with 4500MHD then..

is there dell studio 15 with ati 3470?

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 26 2009, 02:08 PM

hehe..thats my recommendation then..studio 15 or integrated 4500MHD notebooks if u willing..

hp dv6?isnt it a bit more than 3k?

my recommendation is...yes u guessed it.studio 15 LOL.

bcoz:
1.<3k
2.2 ghz proc
3.hv dedicated 256mb gc model
4.15" obviously..

its THE laptop for ur specs..i'd say best price/performance ratio..personally going to get it soon..ahah.

special mention:might wanna check benQ s42..but retail price is more than 3k..

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Added on April 27, 2009, 10:09 ami'm go with astria..
studio 15 FTW..lol

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Added on April 27, 2009, 10:11 amwhat's the spec of the laptop?

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Apr 27 2009, 10:11 AM