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TSkmarc	Mar 7 2009, 08:22 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #21
The future is here - Cryptocurrencies! Elite 14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak	@cstkl1 Look. A website is only as good as the content and the community within it. In LYN's community, we have a variety of forumers. From those that willingly help to improve the website/community/forums to those "backbenchers" who complain, whine and give negative criticism that makes matters worst (thanks the stars we don't have many of those). From the forums, it is evident that you have the time and the money to splurge on whatever hardware you want. Mind you, a lot of us don't have the time nor the financial luxury to do that. You say that this forum could be better. Would you be one of the forumers to make it better? I'm sure you have tried out a lot of expensive high-end hardwares that most of us can only dream of. Have you ever done or tried to do any reviews? If you, with time, money and knowledge, could not do that, how do you expect the average forumer to do so? Yes, our forums could have be better...... care to help? This post has been edited by kmarc: Mar 7 2009, 08:31 PM
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Aoshi_88	Mar 7 2009, 08:43 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #22
Talking isn't difficult. Speaking is. Senior Member 4,670 posts Joined: Dec 2004	QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 7 2009, 08:22 PM) @cstkl1 Look. A website is only as good as the content and the community within it. In LYN's community, we have a variety of forumers. From those that willingly help to improve the website/community/forums to those "backbenchers" who complain, whine and give negative criticism that makes matters worst (thanks the stars we don't have many of those). From the forums, it is evident that you have the time and the money to splurge on whatever hardware you want. Mind you, a lot of us don't have the time nor the financial luxury to do that. You say that this forum could be better. Would you be one of the forumers to make it better? I'm sure you have tried out a lot of expensive high-end hardwares that most of us can only dream of. Have you ever done or tried to do any reviews? If you, with time, money and knowledge, could not do that, how do you expect the average forumer to do so? Yes, our forums could have be better...... care to help? Speaking of which i need someone to replace me at Shrine in August. KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE!!!
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SUSicyfawkes	Mar 7 2009, 09:16 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #23
- Model 03- Senior Member 1,265 posts Joined: Sep 2008	@cstkl1 hmm...well said...but...what are you suggesting to improve LYN?where to get resources?statistics? well said doesnt mean things can be done in a few months,as we know...lyn had take years juz to build up these so called reputation and to be numerized by review?i dont think a point of a resourceful forum is to be RATED by reviewers...rather...how much benefit it does to the community... yes...reviews tend to be bias...but...lyn did manage to get their site on the list...can you?
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cstkl1	Mar 7 2009, 10:11 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #24
Look at all my stars!! Elite 6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003	good points kmarc. but i ask u this. so u agree indirectly that there is not much hardware review on lyn. and aka just reiterate my point on there is none again. Definition and Role » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « take note i am a enthusiast. thats the very definition of my role in the hardware. so is acecombat, irenic, rhlc7, seamonster,zerohour etc etc etc. hence y we try to give advice on the best buying decision basically. not just taruk something or dream up a rig. will get to the review part what about u kmarc?? elite in what?? Strucure » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ok whats the point in posting a review of a hardware in lyn when the structure itself doesnt make sense. u post a review in the essential /guide on vague simple ideas on overclocking and its buried there. how many visitors to the overclocking section before they post actually know there is a such a topic.until they see ure nick or somebody points out. also no offence half of ure advice/guide leads to more trouble cause its unspecific and very vague and worst still with newer chipsets/hardware every changing most of them doesnt even apply. a news section on is mandatory in hardware since a lot of threads get started because of a repost/relink from vr-zone and other hardware forums. a sub main thread in hardware section is just crying for help. a structure like xs,.. with news,forum reviews,intel,amd,graphic card,general hardware etc. the whole overclocking thread other than cooling etc is actually no point. if each topic had been started as i7 topic or c2d just like xs u would have gotten wealth of info. if a noobie comes to lowyat forum. wants to know what ram he should buy for his e8400 he just purchased and what mobo that will work with his config and he is looking for somebody with similar hardware and a group so he can discuss the pros and cons.. where is he going to look???overclocking?? posting in hardware q&a where 90% ppl who reply never had that hardware be it high-end or low-end. icyfawkes benefit to the communitty?? what benefit?? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « keke u dont get it. getting on the list and being valued on the list is two different thing. ok since u said it benefits the community how so?? kopitiaming?? especially a person like u who is a superstar there?? have a nerd/idiot starting a thread on boobs. how to talk to a girl, taking pics and invading somebodies room are a high for u?? fantastic . i dont mind posting review but its seriously more of a e-penis show rather with the reply that i/we get from forumers. the overclocker section tends to be better but hardware.. sishh they might as well merge it with kopitiam since ppl from there eventually bring their stuff in it. what stuff.. the tendency to scroll down the main thread and answer or reply something as much as u can as fast as u can. its like a irc channel with this guys review » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « but look at the way he hardware section is done and the reply we get. breaking up each specific threads u dont get one forumer posting fuiyoh in every thread that he/she/inbetween scrolls down. until then posting a review is just pointless. every windwithme review threads just gets a fuiyoh. or some lame ass answer like damn etc. nobody even ask specific question to the review or post theirs later for cooperative. if somebody does etc some idiot comes and says the same thing over and over again. also back to the review again. it doesnt take a few enthusiast.. i can change hardware and set up a new rig as technology changes.. theres bound to be others who build not so on a frequent basis but they did anyway. is all my hardware the only one in lyn??? the idea of a hardware forum like xs is not just to create a forum for discussion only. its to have a world wide support forum, discussion of a specific hardware. why do u think manufacturer's rep, main brand engineers etc also are there. are we malaysians so stupid and backward that forums in china and taiwan etc which less hardware than a lyn forumer getting more support from manufacturers etc.?? in xs three mobo's i manage to help with the bios.. and a lot by ppl in xs showing support whether its overclocking to just general compaitability.. lyn hardware forumers are as smart as they were 5 years ago as they are now. high-end stuff last time is mid end now. in terms of price and we are heck higher paid compared to then. 3 years ago 2k gc.. u can count no of ppl in lyn that has them. now?? so again theres ample ppl in lyn. but the current sturcture etc etc is not conducive. u wont find home grown talent from lyn showing his stuff. my attitude » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « y i get pissed of easily.i like to help ppl when i can but do u know 7 out of the 10 ppl that come to me on how to clock this or problem solving.. half of those issue could have been avoided by them not listening to lyn forumers advice on hardware setup rather than speding time in xs on specific hardware thread to check whether this components will deliver the performance they are seeking and the pron's and cons with other hardware the no of times i heard .... a disappointing sigh of a malaysian spending their money and with regret. This post has been edited by cstkl1: Mar 7 2009, 10:32 PM
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goldfries	Mar 7 2009, 10:55 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #25
40K Club Forum Admin 44,415 posts Joined: Jan 2003	the write-up described LYN as if a trading site. so i guess the fella could be one of our Trade Zone dudes.
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SUSicyfawkes	Mar 7 2009, 11:08 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #26
- Model 03- Senior Member 1,265 posts Joined: Sep 2008	wow me a superstar?geez...i dunno lol but anyways...i dont think that i would say /k/ is benificial...but audiophile sect and musician sect for instance...it is quite resourceful not to mention garage sales...gamerz forum...mens fashion...LYN has taken foruming to a new lvl...i daresay i couldnt find much Malaysian forum that would rival LYN in diversity...but if you prefer a more Tech smart wise forum, why not try improving it starting from ourselves?reviews are made by users...if you are very honest and sure bout your reviews...whatever flames coming to you would mean nothing at all...
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TSkmarc	Mar 7 2009, 11:09 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #27
The future is here - Cryptocurrencies! Elite 14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak	First of all, my elite status is immaterial to the discussion here. Secondly, my guides were meant to help noobs to at least grasp the topic at hand. My view that you should "teach a man to fish" rather than "giving fishes to every tom-d*-and-harry" that comes along. How many times did you see a noob ask "Can somebody teach me how to overclock?". One time? 10 times? 100 times? Are you going to be there all the time to teach them? Or maybe we can have an understanding that if anybody needs help, we can say "Pm cstkl1, he will help you". Your argument about guides are flawed. Nobody can make a guide that covers every hardware and situation. You can never cover every aspect including, like what you mentioned, newer chipset/hardwares!!! Guides, as I make it, are catered to a specific group/topic relevant to that point in time, nothing more and nothing less. Since you seem to be an expert in guides, I challenge you to make a guide. Make sure it is VERY specific to every situation/scenario/hardware which also includes older and newer hardwares. It should also cater towards noobs and non-noobs so that you don't leave out anybody that might benefit from the guide. Also, you have to make sure your guides are not complicated and long that people will get lost in it but not too general that some noobs might not understand it. All this from what you have said, and I quote: QUOTE u post a review in the essential /guide on vague simple ideas on overclocking and its buried there. how many visitors to the overclocking section before they post actually know there is a such a topic.until they see ure nick or somebody points out. also no offence half of ure advice/guide leads to more trouble cause its unspecific and very vague and worst still with newer chipsets/hardware every changing most of them doesnt even apply. For your information, my first overclocking guide WAS posted in the overclocking section. However, it was moved to the essential/guide section by the moderator of that time. After discussion with the moderator, he advised me to post all my guides in the essential/guide section. I was a bit frustrated but that's what I did. Mind you, I didn't have to reply to this but since you asked...... As for the rest of the comments, I'll leave it to other forumers to reply...... Edit : Oh ya, about your question on "indirectly agreeing with you that there are not much hardware review in LYN".... This is in relation to the magazine which said "Although famous for its forums, Lowyat also offers news and reviews of products". Note that LYN also OFFERS news and reviews of products. It didn't say LYN offers many many many news and reviews of products. Worse case scenario of ONE or TWO product reviews already makes the above statement true. As such, while I agree with you, it is irrelevant to the discussion. This post has been edited by kmarc**: Mar 7 2009, 11:24 PM
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cstkl1	Mar 7 2009, 11:27 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #28
Look at all my stars!! Elite 6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003	» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 7 2009, 11:09 PM) First of all, my elite status is immaterial to the discussion here. Secondly, my guides were meant to help noobs to at least grasp the topic at hand. My view that you should "teach a man to fish" rather than "giving fishes to every tom-d*-and-harry" that comes along. How many times did you see a noob ask "Can somebody teach me how to overclock?". One time? 10 times? 100 times? Are you going to be there all the time to teach them? Or maybe we can have an understanding that if anybody needs help, we can say "Pm cstkl1, he will help you". Your argument about guides are flawed. Nobody can make a guide that covers every hardware and situation. You can never cover every aspect including, like what you mentioned, newer chipset/hardwares!!! Guides, as I make it, are catered to a specific group/topic relevant to that point in time, nothing more and nothing less. Since you seem to be an expert in guides, I challenge you to make a guide. Make sure it is VERY specific to every situation/scenario/hardware which also includes older and newer hardwares. It should also cater towards noobs and non-noobs so that you don't leave out anybody that might benefit from the guide. Also, you have to make sure your guides are not complicated and long that people will get lost in it but not too general that some noobs might not understand it. All this from what you have said, and I quote: For your information, my first overclocking guide WAS posted in the overclocking section. However, it was moved to the essential/guide section by the moderator of that time. After discussion with the moderator, he advised me to post all my guides in the essential/guide section. So that's what I did. Mind you, I didn't have to reply to this but since you ask...... As for the rest of the comments, I'll leave it to other forumers to reply...... again theres no malice here. btw posting this this style cause i know i am same in real life i digress easily Elite in Hardware » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « the elite was not to u in particular cause was hoping u say hardware or something..was to again argue.. who the heck can be a elite etc in a hardware forum in lyn.. cause its so vague and non conducive for a person to be. shall we give pikacu for example a elite for the most amount of post in hd4000 thread or XED for defending ati with strength and honor ( actually this guy posted some interesting stuff quite a bit) so basically most elites and vips in the hardware forums are one time ppl i guess. thats what i was trying to point out. but in other forums.. this situation is not so. windwithme is a elite. [Guides] » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « thats the whole point no one can post a guide and hence y when i thought about one last time. it causes to many issues which is again very vague. " better not lead a blind to cross the road when ure half blind as well".. u either go detail or not at all with a battery of test to back it up. i did a test on gc and cpu core once and wanted to show the difference and then i realized.. how stupid it is.cause things change. even psu. look at what is happening with the x58. even some 1kw's psu's single rail etc doesnt really work with s3 states etc etc etc. u dont think its funny a moderator to move that topic out of overclocking etc etc and making it a guide which is meant for noobies and noobies dont know it exist and cant find it?? again the structure of the hardware section is the cause. can give u tons in example.. look at rams. last time performance rams were high binned and value was just picked from a pile with jdec spec. now the values are no where close to performance ram.the amount of chipsets, binning, etc etc etc.. its getting more and more difficult to pinpoint the old way of ppl saying get a value ram slap a heatsink and u can clock as well as a performance ram. so shall we start a thread guide about value rams?? same goes for so many things.. the variety of product line.. quality etc is all becoming more and more niche. so again whatever that was said in the past cannot be done now. as i said before in another thread.. before 4x1gb ram vs 2x2gb. old timers were argueing 2 sticks vs 4sticks because of 1n issue and latencies etc etc etc.. asus x48 ddr3 did 4x1gb 1n....which was thought impossible. things change. i mean even the topic of gtl. theres no spefici answer to this.. 780,790,p35,p45,x38,x48 are all different cause the gtl is nb chipset dependent and for ddr3 makes it worst as its dram nb vtt, dram channel a/b dependent also. skewing also is another topic on its on. mike from xs once quoted that skewing other than feel even came to a point u need to check ure bios mem table settings on drive etc to correct it as its ram chipset dependent. its worst to give a noobie a guide that he thinks he understand and heads to the shop to buy his stuff only to face a ton of issues. me again » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « whats the point asking me .. i only know the stuff i use. thats all. havent u guys realized that. and 90 percent of what i say sometimes just from discussing in xs and me testing it out or just from conversations with some xs members and also have to credit some Singaporeans friends on mine which we exchange hardwares to test out some problems etc to single out the cause. have u seen me giving advice on something i dont have or tested it out multi platform to find the kinks..y cause i actually do ask a lot of referral for the product and whats its capable off in specific forums/ phone calls to the distro/ emailing the company / talking to the engineer.. tech ppl. so thats y i prep for eventual issues that might occur. its not like i solved it on my own or anything. if u see me as a expert in hardware.. again god help lyn if the best they have is me. there should be better. i only know about the stuff i have. Back to the topic title » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ok so a one review is ok.. so lyn forum is famous for news ( which is mostly adverts and links) and once in a blue moon review for techs) ure argueing statistics now as to a definition its like arguing its ok to kill one terrorist but its not ok to destroy the nation that breads them. killing is killing. there is no reviews period. one or two doesnt make it better. This post has been edited by cstkl1**: Mar 7 2009, 11:49 PM
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TSkmarc	Mar 7 2009, 11:48 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #29
The future is here - Cryptocurrencies! Elite 14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak	@cstkl1 Remember that a guide will definitely help somebody. It just can't cater for every person or situation. Everybody has their strength and weaknesses. With your advantage/strength/time/experience/money, you can help a lot of our forumers. Just be a bit patient and hold back the cynicism and bitterness..... LYN is not perfect but we do what we can to make it a better community, no? Anyway, we're off-topic......
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cstkl1	Mar 7 2009, 11:52 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #30
Look at all my stars!! Elite 6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003	QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 7 2009, 11:48 PM) @cstkl1 Remember that a guide will definitely help somebody. It just can't cater for every person or situation. Everybody has their strength and weaknesses. With your advantage/strength/time/experience/money, you can help a lot of our forumers. Just be a bit patient and hold back the cynicism and bitterness..... LYN is not perfect but we do what we can to make it a better community, no? Anyway, we're off-topic...... didnt say we dont have good community theres quite a few thats particularly outstanding.. the mobile phones and audiophile is one that i can think of at the moment. and others also.. but i am what i am talking about is hardware since lyn is suppose to be "tech " community and the predawn of all "tech" is computer hardware. i just see forumer with 3k in hardware section yet no different than what he was from 0 post. this is y i think the urgency to change the structure. even moderating for the staff etc would be 10 times easier. this will also cultivate individuals to be specific in their advice and expertise. no more jake of all trades. the other day somebody asked me about x38 maximus formula with q6600.. eventhough i spent nearly 3-4 months with so many rams on it. i cant remember for crap on heck the pros and cons. but if there was a thread where users had gathered and we discussed on settings/templates pros cons etc.. how much easier would this have been. some of the strongest threads in xs are p35's and p965 the no of ppl in lyn who still using this two chipset are plenty more than xs. also look at the buy and sell thread.. its like the most active thread.. sishh thats freaking sad. This post has been edited by cstkl1: Mar 7 2009, 11:57 PM
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goldfries	Mar 7 2009, 11:56 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #31
40K Club Forum Admin 44,415 posts Joined: Jan 2003	btw cstkl1 - changes are under discussion at the moment. just to let you know that your suggestions are noted and we're actually pretty much keen on going that direction as highlighted.
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cstkl1	Mar 8 2009, 12:08 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #32
Look at all my stars!! Elite 6,799 posts Joined: Jan 2003	QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 7 2009, 11:56 PM) btw cstkl1 - changes are under discussion at the moment. just to let you know that your suggestions are noted and we're actually pretty much keen on going that direction as highlighted. ty goldfries its time for malaysians to actually show and learn from their own hardwares.. cause heck most of the time in the last 2 years.. we get it first than the US..from proc to mobo's ,gc's. u know once twice actually dunno whether u realize fudzilla quoted me based on xs when i posted here first the other was another forumer.it was later in vr-zone news and few other news. dont belive me xs keeps a check on refferals.. to news.. i have 3. and there was a few other malaysians ,, this was a while ago. i was like eh. where is the semangat malaysia etc. theres onething about all of us. we love our country. i hope one day fudzila will started quoting lyn and u will see a vr-zone news thread linking to a lyn thread. i mean heck even proc.. we have more es chips easily bought/traded than ppl in the us. china websites came out from no where and now seems to be leading the hardware news This post has been edited by cstkl1: Mar 8 2009, 12:10 AM
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SUSicyfawkes	Mar 8 2009, 12:11 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #33
- Model 03- Senior Member 1,265 posts Joined: Sep 2008	QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 8 2009, 12:08 AM) ty goldfries its time for malaysians to actually show and learn from their own hardwares.. cause heck most of the time in the last 2 years.. we get it first than the US..from proc to mobo's ,gc's. u know once twice actually dunno whether u realize fudzilla quoted me based on xs when i posted here first the other was another forumer.it was later in vr-zone news and few other news. dont belive me xs keeps a check on refferals.. to news.. i have 3. and there was a few other malaysians ,, this was a while ago. i was like eh. where is the semangat malaysia etc. theres onething about all of us. we love our country. i hope one day fudzila will started quoting lyn and u will see a vr-zone news thread linking to a lyn thread. i mean heck even proc.. we have more es chips easily bought/traded than ppl in the us. china websites came out from no where and now seems to be leading the hardware news seems like you are hitting it right this time
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ZeneticX	Mar 8 2009, 04:40 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #34
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wodenus	Mar 8 2009, 05:32 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #35
Tree Octopus All Stars 14,990 posts Joined: Jan 2003	When did journalists start having such crappy language skills ? reads like it was written by your average LYN forum poster, and he writes for a high-priced, professional publication This post has been edited by wodenus: Mar 8 2009, 05:37 PM
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