http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1621148

by all mean, take game as hobby please.

study more and work more

stfu if you dnt understand

no offense guardioo, but that article was focused on quake. and thankfully i dont think our breed of gamers here are the "quit school" type.

look at those gamers in denial LOL

No offense, but I really think that e-sports can be a part-time career in our life as it's the way to show our passion in computer and console games.

I myself a student and having a scholarship with the bond to work with the company, but I see no point of stopping myself from joining e-sports tournament.

The most important thing, is the family support. After all, I look e-sports as a place to improve ourselves and make friends as well

i'm amir by day...

sHin0bi by night...

The pervert one or the hamsap one?

i donno lor coz i oways play bcoz of my passion to be the best in the world. i nvr thought of money though..


but funny enuff i won more than rm100k, been to 5 diff countries fully sponsored, have my own business, partnership in cybercafe, gaming media and etc etc.. and its all bcoz i really LOVE gaming.


in the end it all comes down to what do you want? why do you play games? do you play games bcoz of money? or do you play games bcoz you wanna be the best of the best of the best?


its funny that with all the negative vibes ppl try to put into gaming.. there are just some people who always maintain and profit for being true to their passion. ^^

see.

the champion has spoken.

/close thread

Agree to the max!

lol
i doesnt meant just for quake
if u got passion in gaming career, i wouldnt stop you, i wont stopping you joining gaming compy anyway, its fun when joining compy.

but please, do take it as hobby 1st, dont influence young kids too much which take them away from study.

well, frozennoob, you just go to hell.

you guys like saying its a easy thing to goal.

p/s: getting champion need efforts. and jali, dont take your so many champion medal saying successful. i admit gaming is good., but not everything, gaming turn back when sponsor goes off...but when i see study kids ponteng and play game in cybercafe bcoz of tourney...seriously...it make me wonder future of msia. and yea..no offense to you jali, just sometimes reality do consider money in hand

This post has been edited by guardioo: Mar 8 2009, 02:28 AM

since when malaysia got future? u look at ppl like strife and u think malaysia got future ah? midoingitrite?

it is 2008 article.. so i think that article no longer applied atm

i think that's why the prize pot has declined drastically. education.

It's really funny see people that doesn't understand passion of gaming simply think gaming is [insertyourwordshere].

It's really funny see people that doesn't understand passion of gaming simply think gaming is SRSFKNBIZNEZ

It's really funny see people that doesn't understand passion of gaming simply think gaming is 100plus

Jas can be Malaysia's chief pimp.


Plus I finally found out that MY/SG has tons of TF2ers that can be f***ing tenors.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Mar 8 2009, 08:27 PM

paaji, u insulting m'sia is it?


and ummm.... guardio, kids don't ponteng school for competitions, that only dumb #$^#%@ up kids does! they just fimd excuse to go to ponteng. How often do u see school kids go into tourney? However, i do agree that game must be taken as hobby but as for us gamers, how do u think we influence the kids? How often do u see articals bout esports posted in newspaper? How often do u see advertisments are shown in t.v nor radio? The matter of fact i see it, we don't influence the kids who have great bright future ahead of them it's all in them wether they wanna sopil it or not! Not us! It's all up to them and how their enviroment. Do you see any of us gamers influnce ANY kids around to join esports? It's all in the mind like they said.

F*cking win kthx bye

/close topic +1

i never insult i was just testing out the [insertyourwordshere].

i gonna say Jopperstaluf is [insertwordhere]

i thought by joining tournaments, school students need approval from their parents? wcg did that didnt they? not sure with other tournaments though.

Jopperstaluf is ohsoannoying?

vote si jali as the next pm!

lame arguement

mana argument.

This are all facts:


1. A world record breaking attempt for the longest running LAN Party in the world by Cyberfusion organize by Cyberview, AMD and MMU. And its done during recession time.


2. More and more education institute organizing their very own E-Sports Tourney such as MMU, UTP, Sunway College, APIIT, Taylor and etc etc. Isnt gaming suppose to be bad? Why the heck a place to study turn into a place to play games? Games suppose to be negative rite?


3. Even with the suppose negative vibes, more and more clans was form just like mushroom after the rain. From just 2-3 clans in FIFA now we have more than 8 clans. Not to mention the blooming phase of COD 4 clans as well. CS was suppose to be dead but heck you can see from UTP unknown clans from nowhere were there. PES and DOTA easily fill up slots in any tourney.


4. More and more cybercafes sponsoring clans. From Kingsurf,FTZ to Quas, there are more to be seen in the future.


5. Clans nowadays very pandai. From just playing games they are now transform into organizing tourney in cc in return of sponsorship. Example is ESPGL. I believe this is another new step of evolution in our gaming scene. From jst asking money for sponsorship, in return clans go for organizing their own tourney in their respective cybercafes. Its almost a win-win situation.


6. I was invited by UTP ESC 09 to give speech at their Games Forum. Present was Dr. Mohd Fadzil(BSc,MSc,PhD), senior lecturer of Computer and Information Sciences Department and Mr Khairil Ridhwan, Project Manager of ESC 09. There were more than 40 academician in the forum listening to my ''negative'' speeches and asking hardcore question. I dont think many people who are brave enuff to stand where i am at that moment. It must be insane a prestige education institute such as UTP would want a gamer to give a talk there.


7. Even during recession time, tourneys are still everywhere. Not just DOTA, other games were organize as well even the new L4D craze was taken into initiative as well.


8. My FIFA Class lesson has just begun with 4 students. I dont earn much i just charge RM50/person. Still in beta test. Anyone wanna join? ^^


9. Renowned clans such as Kingsurf and USEEPRO expand their division from DOTA into CS. Also heard rumours that they might consider bringing in other games. Even my former clan W|nDs still recruiting new members last year. All of this done in recession time.


10. Does pro-gaming encourage kids to ponteng sekolah? No i dont think so. Infact almost all the pro-gamers are universities and college students. Its shows that if you want to be the best you gotta be smart. Stupid people will never be pro. Instead pro-gaming encourage kids to stay at school because you gotta be smart to be the best. And from what i've know (bcoz i hv a cc) those kids who ponteng sekolah dont play tourney. They just play online games n they just dun like school. Often they dont ponteng sekolah bcoz of tourney. They are just lazy. So if you wanna be the best, if you wanna be a pro-gamer, stay at school!


11. Games is a tool jst like a knife. Either you use it to cook or to kill, its depends on the user.


I know there are people who just cant accept the facts even if there are more. Therefore if you trully concern about our community and willing to let your ego down, i suggest everyone to use their energy and focus on how to improve our community and make pro-gaming true one day instead of proving ur view rite. I've done my part. But what about you? What have you contribute into the community? We dont want negative talks and debates, we want action. Remember, 1 person will never change the world, but a united community will.


So our 1st effort to make sure pro-gaming will be true one day, is Cyberfusion. Break the record and we will see what happens after that ^^

Ladies and gents,

Dont fight!

Gaming isn't going downhill, the human perception is. Games aren't at fault, neither is gaming. Professional gamers don't skip school. In fact, most of them go back to school. Passion is one thing, but stereotyping kids that skip school to play games in a cyber cafe with gamers who represent their countries in sports is proof that there are still those in our generation that cannot accept seeing gaming as a profession.

What was tennis before being a professional sport? A favorite past time. What was basketball before it became a professional sport? A favorite past time. What made those past times into professional sports? Popularity in the masses, the easily mass produced materials required for such sports, the standardization of a ruling mechanism in play, most importantly, the passion of those involved to bring it one step higher, they made the decisions needed that made them into what they are today.

Those kids aren't the gamers you want to compare with. Honestly, i wouldnt even call them gamers. Pro gamers barely even need to skip school to play. They have a set schedule they follow to practice. The only real time they play that much is when they start off on a new game.

As for the article you saw, you didnt really see the big picture as to why the winnings are going down.

1. Sponsors are the same
2. Sponsors are relying on the event to boost sales as well
3. Heavy reliance on sponsors for event costs
4. Games that are chosen also heavily rely on sponsors, aside from the games popularity in the first place.
5. if the sponsors dont do well, they pull out.
6. When the popularity of a game is at its peak, there is no need to push the product any longer. The money spent is just to ensure that the product is continously heard or seen in the public eye, hence the need for high prizes in the beginning. The "Online" community did not exist until a few years ago, which made it SO much easier for these companies to reach that goal.

And that my friend, is why gaming winnings are going down. Its not because gaming is dying. It's the human perception.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Mar 10 2009, 06:23 PM

just to put things in perspective, compared with say focussing on proper education or learning a proper technical skill, aspiring professional gamers have no safety net against time.

spend as much time as you want but no one will want to hire a 30 year old unsuccessful pro-gamer whose only main skillset is 'football games'.

Most Malaysian gamers play e-sports part time.
Period.
They go to college in the day, at night they play CS (or whatever it is you play)
I am one, I'm not failing.
It's not fair to generalize gamers into kids who skip school. That's just trying to blame SOMETHING for the kids whom are skipping school instead of blaming proper parental guidance, etc.

And as far as I can see, from the article that TS had given us link to, I'm just saying that Quake III practically just became "unpopular" to everyone in the community

"spend as much time as you want but no one will want to hire a 30 year old unsuccessful pro-gamer whose only main skillset is 'football games'."

Like I said, we play games part-time while studying. If we win tourney's, HEY! We got some extra cash to blow, while still managing to get our degrees.
Trust me, with proper time management, it's possible.

I'm currently pursuing a degree in Games Development anyway, and let's see if anyone would want to hire me eh? I mean, why not? I can play games, WAIT I CAN MAKE ONE TOO.

For my case,instead of pro-gamers influence me to join tourneys,its actually my mom.She said one day while giving me the paper of the Electronic Football Challenge "better make worth of ur time playing games".And look at me now,Im in the infamous W|nDs clan and still at considerably very young age,which is 16 ^^.

About pro-gaming influencing kids to ponteng sekolah to go to cc,I absolutely think its wrong.In fact,i think it encourage kids to play at home and stay at school.I noe this because my former clan,which is FoX(now known as DRG)are almost all consist of school kids at the age below 18.They noe that playing at their own home is more money saving than playing at cc.Besides that they can also concentrate on their studies easier.

lol
i not saying all...
you have to take example.

polictician would take example for minor school kid and increase the publicity of how kids skip class or school.

i think you guys ( pro-gamers) should take initiative of educate.
go to school...educate them..of course i would happy if kids doesnt ponteng.

there is lotsa reason i say this, but you must understand teacher feeling...

LOL where got now all skool kids dun game anymore...

THEY MELBOURNE SHUFFLE

I get your concern. But you know, politicians are politicians, they will always twist their words to make it work for them.
Me being a lecturer and a gamer while graduating with a degree wasnt an easy task. Like i said, it will take loads of work to be good at anything.

I wouldn't persuade anyone to give up their education for gaming, simply because education is the most important in life, aside from life itself.
Many CoD4 gamers understand this concept, i just wish everyone else had the same idea.

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Added on March 11, 2009, 2:11 pmhaha, damn old la that dance.. im 25 and i also can shuffle la

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Added on March 11, 2009, 2:16 pmits rare that anyone would hire a 30 year old unsuccessful "anything" really. Yet, at the current moment, the highest paying jobs are the ones that dont have safety nets, if you get what i mean.

Anyway, no pro gamer will ask you to skip school to focus 100% in gaming. In my clan, i stress that all members have a minimum of a 2.0 aggregate to play or they get dropped to reserves. Most of the time they get much higher, since the training times are mostly set after school. Its the leaders that need to set the example for their members to follow or eventually break. Same goes to families and communities. Without proper leadership, any community, clan, country or organization stands the chance of breaking and losing out.

This post has been edited by crashtec: Mar 11 2009, 02:16 PM

The way i see it esport is the same as sport.

It is a leisure activity, but you can make money, or even a career out of it. But most of the tourney gamer take the best way which is study as number 1 priority and tourney gaming as side income or side career.

But if you are extremely talented in game like say quake, why not use the god's gift, and be a pro gamer? Or at least, compete in a tourney. Everyone has their own talent, we just have to find it and make use the best of it.

About the kids ponteng school just to play games at cc, i think they play mostly online games. I wonder where they got money to play at cc If they want to ponteng, it's because they want to, don't blame the games.

Making false accusations like this saddens me cause maybe only a handful of kids played truant for gaming everyone gets the blame? Get ur facts straight and kids nowadays are all about shufflin~ lol.. just check out bukit bintang on weekends.

stress that all members have a minimum of a 2.0 aggregate to play or they get dropped to reserves


real good idea i should do that in online games....