alrite, i've got a question here. i just got my xbox360, maybe bout a month ago. and its modded alrite. okay fine.
so here it is that my birthday is coming up, and i've been contemplating whenever or not, to ask my brother to buy the original Star Ocean 4.

but the thing is, what's the benefit of these original games if i already have a modded console? since i can't go online to get all the goodies. so tell me.

the only thing i could think of, is that it could be for collection.

i still remember, when i was form2 that i bought my ps2, for my birthday i got myself an original Final Fantasy X. eventhough i've already gotten the lanun version and have already finished the game. felt proud of myself for owning an original one.

anyways,
please enlighten me. thankies.

I think you pretty much answered yourself in the last paragraph.

Ori games = nice packaging & good for collection.

During the PS2 era, even though piracy ruled, I still felt like buying ori games for collection, for example MGS2 and Shadow of the Colosus, ori games looks nice on my shelf

ori games better cos we can play until it finished cos we pay with higher price.
but pirated games just play for syok2 n for sure not finished.

Ori or not its the same for me.
Unless the ori one is collector's edition or special edition, then i would feel proud.

You;
1.Become one of the proud owner of Original Star Ocean 4 games.
2.Support the game industry.
3.Get better Casing.
4.Help them to create more JRPG games..

1.DLC
2.Online play
3.Support to the gaming industry
4.Supporting original in Malaysia
5.Pretty packaging
6.Special edition stuff(DVDs and the likes)
7.Online community.Xbox Live,PSN,the likes.
8.Guilt-free conscience
9.Better control over buying multiple games
10.DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY!!

No benefit, buying pirated game better. Its cheaper to buy so you can save money to get PS3 which is a better consoles overall.

GET OUT OF THE XBOX FORUMS GNOME MAN >:(

he's not gonna play online dude.

well, that's subjective, i've seen people whom have original games, but finished none of them.
and i've finished a couple of games myself.

This post has been edited by maxZibel: Mar 4 2009, 10:52 PM

Do the right thing. Go Ori. Maybe if enuff ppl buy ori, then maybe MS might consider officially launching Xbox 720 in Malaysia when come out .

Well, it's a morale to buy originals.
Buying original shows your support to the game developer.
Buying Pirated copy means you're stealing developer's hardwork.

Choose yourself on the brightside or dark side.

For me, if you said you got no $ to buy ori, then better don't play them....Stealing is shameful.... =_="

bout the guilt-free conscience point, the guilt, i seriously feel none whatsoever, reason being that it's so common in malaysia. the developers are rich enough even without my money. not that money is really a problem. but why not save, also i really don't see the benefit in it for me.

another thing is, i see most of the lowyat forumers seem to play original unmodded consoles. it makes me feel inferior. this inferiority seems to bother me a little.

This post has been edited by maxZibel: Mar 4 2009, 10:54 PM

Dude, do u kno how many developers have closed down dy becoz of piracy? The one who profits are the publishers not the developers. But the point is to support these developers so that they would continue to make the games u have come to enjoy. Not close down and stop making those games....case in point, Ensemble with classics like Age of Empire, Halo War.

It isn't so much as ur benefit but more of the right thing to do. Bottom line is...it's stealing.

We play original unmodded because we acknowledge the hard work the developers have done to give us great games to play. Not to make anyone feel inferior. If u feel like dat then u miss the point.

original games ada buku kecil . pirate games tiada buku kecil

Dude totally agree wif u
I'm not sure about KL, but in PG due to large amount of jack sparrow version demand, shopkeeper seldom keep any ori in store. everytime I look for Xbox 360 game, i hav 2 order n wait for shipping, waiting is killing man.

i so totally knew you were gonna say this point, it's not that we don't know these things, we often see this reasoning everywhere, not just pirated games, a lot of other pirated stuff. i'm just saying we aren't ignorant. yes it is stealing. i do agree with you.

another thing, regarding the malaysian currency exchange rate, or whatchacallit, if you compare with other countries, say western countries, they don't feel a thing whenever they buy a game, know why, because it's considered reasonable. even in singapore, i don't see my cousin complaining bout the games being expensive. say, around 70 dollars. if i'm earning in their currency, i would probably say the same thing.

heh, you're probably gonna shoot me saying that, if that's the case, i shouldn't be buying any of the games or the consoles. yeah, i know i know.

yeah, bottom line, no benefit. And speaking of the right thing to do, since everywhere in malaysia people are doing it, it's like a social norm, so i don't feel a thing, whether right or wrong.

well, back to my Star Ocean 4, don't worry, i've already decided to get an original copy. it matter's not whether there's benefit or not. just that, in the future, i would be thinking twice whether or not i wanna get another one. i'm thinking of getting a PS3 too.

No not really. I'm going to say that u have already made up your mind on the issue so there is no point in trying to convince u.

Hopefully when the time come for all of Jack Sparrows to come to their senses and return to the right path, so will M$ to produce/make a console as sturdy and reliable as a PS3, and not some box that cant stand heat and give us 3ROD and balik-balik got a lot of version, zepher la, xenon la, itu la ini la ... aiyaaaa

but i still like xbox, games are superb, but the console. aiyaaaa ... aiyaaaa ....
need to say again ka? aiyaaaaaaaaaaaaa ....

If u buy all the ori Games .. but cant play on the console cause its dead ... so wut happens ? u look me .. i look u back ka?

This post has been edited by tuntung: Mar 5 2009, 03:39 PM

My point of view is: in whatever industry, if a publisher/ developer / author do not get incentive for their own product of hard work, they won't get the fund to keep their business going, the pirate kings do on the other hand.

When they do not get the fund, they lack the foundation to move forward, improve in term of tech and expand.

That is why to date here in our Boleh Land we do not have a solid label company, game studio, film production company, entertainment firms. Look now - Where is our great talents in such industries? They are mostly in oversea sadly to say. (probably due to biased policy too, imo)

Gaming wise: For what I have to say in contradict tho, is that the root cause is still being the high price of original software VS general average income. Bear in mind a lot of us here are casual gamers, the spending-vs-income ratio are not in line with western/Jap countries, yet. Maybe they should release games in our region at a more competent prices.

What's worse that piracy isnt only the fact that developers dont get any money. But others people profit over it. Usually shaddy people that are involved in other nasty businesses (the suppliers of course not the shopkeepers). You buy pirated games, you kinda help fund them IMO. Giving money to bad people.

If you definitely have no choice and have to go non-original. Do yourself a favour and download and burn it yourself. And if you do like it, make a point to buy the game when you find it despite finishing it already.

Not one of the most ideal way of doing things but at least there is show of support so i agree to a certain extend .

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Added on March 5, 2009, 6:38 pmIn the discussion of piracy, is not only the Xbox which is affected. So shuldn't blame the inept of the console for the cause of piracy...even that, I think its a poor lame excuse, sorry to say.

This post has been edited by used2bcow: Mar 5 2009, 06:38 PM

i have never use original when i was studying...
but ever since i started my job i never use pirated software anymore:)

I think it is a support to the developer and also recognition for the effort and time they have put in to build the game:)

and of coz i feel good when holding a ori game:P

just my POV.

Regardless of the current situation in terms of spending vs income ration in the end i feel, we still have a choice. It's just like smoking, why do we insist on paying rm9 a pack for something which would eventually kill us? Why do we still end up buying a console which supposedly is over cost but say we cant afford the games that we play on it? Why do we spend tonnes of money upgrading our PC but in the end buy pirated to play on that same PC? No matter how we try to justify the reasoning of piracy, in the end it boils down to choice. But dat doesn't change the fact that piracy is still wrong and illegal.

In terms of releasing games with competitive pricing, i think that is already being done, going for less than rm50 a pop but maybe that is just for the pc....cant say for consoles. Though is for the older titles but since we're so cheapo we could probably wait....if they ever do get released . There is alwiz the second hand market.

I totally agree. Why buy a console when you can't afford the games? Here in M'sia, gaming is a very high end luxury that many cannot afford and that's a fact. Of course that's also the reason why piracy is so rampant here which is very sad.

Used to buy pirated disc .. ALOT! PSONE, PS2 all of it. after acquire XBOX 360 and PS 3 no longer buy pirate ones. Why? keep on buy pirated games less and less exciting games will come out. SO SUPPORT ORI !!!!!

Why thank you Friction.
Anyway,yes. Totally that.
I always found it a ripoff to buy pirated games from the shops. All they're doing is what you could easily do in the comfort of your own home.
They download the games,and burn them onto discs with fancy packaging which isn't even needed.
Sometimes they inflate the price just for the fun of it.

Take this for example:
PS2 games used to cost RM5 back when I was a pirate.PC DVD games cost RM15.
That didn't make sense.They're doing exactly the same thing.Downloading the game,and burning them on a disc.
I don't see why it should cost RM10 more.

The only reason you'd want to buy a pirated disc as opposed to downloading it is if you have a slow internet connection(....screamyx),or you just don't have the utilities to do it.
But if I were you,I'd rather wait 2 years and burn the game at a friend's house than to buy GTA 4 for RM50 when it could be for free.(At 1Utama,they sold it pirated)

this has become like a piracy issue discussion thread. hehe.

man, i thank you all for your replies really. and to used2bcow too, said lots of worth pondering points there.

and there was one who said something bout bringing down the price, specifically in consoles, if that were to happen, i would definitely go for it.

maybe we can w8 for M$ to do like Sony and put blue ray, then maybe it will take take for Jack Sparrow to figure it out, then ... wa laaaa we should see ppl buying the ori games.

Yay support Ori ...

blu ray has already been cracked long time ago. even before PS3 came out. just that the media is too expensive for normal ppl to buy and burn. plus the filesize (50gb) is too huge to download easily off the net.

Cheap and affordable games in other countries is a good reason for me to consider leaving Malaysia and go SG for work in the future...Seriously..haha

arghh now i regret skipping school and not doing my homework. thanks for the info. (im one of the normal ppl btw. + shh im a student .. no way (at least now) i can afford dat ..)

This post has been edited by tuntung: Mar 6 2009, 10:31 AM

First of all, I am not justifying the piracy. What I offer is a suggestion to remedy piracy issue, that is, to lower the price to make it affordable among the lower tiers in our region. Like original movie DVDs - which China and our region are selling at a lower price than other regions.

One earn USD3000 in US, Xbox360 is selling at USD399 and DVD at USD60.

One earn RM2000 in MY, Xbox360 is selling at RM1600 and DVD at RM200.

A working kid in US can easily afford gaming. That is the point of affordability i was trying to say. Nonetheless we ain't a decision maker who can set the campaign "Lets Make Gaming Affordable in Africa" and make minimal profits.

Secondly, playing ori games doesn't mean one is a holy saint that we can go rebuting and insulting around. Take a look around, ppl around us have problem to feed their kids these days.

Thirdly, I am not a jack sparrow fan, and I am not trying to spark a war of whatsoever. Lets be realistic that piracy is never an easy issue to solve, and the kid doesn't want this thread to get carried away. So Peace brothers, go Ori maxZibel.

Well imo, if you can afford it better not make it a hobby. Ethically is wrong in a sense, its like you cant afford that pair of expensive shoes, so it makes it justifiable that since everyone else can afford it, stealing it is ok.

I'm not at the high range of income id say, and they're a lot of games i want to play, but I cant afford that, so I buy the ones I really want and go old school and borrow from friends. Or I could buy 2nd hand. They're a few alternatives.

I know its kinda tough to game original in malaysia, esp on your wallet. But there is little to justify piracy.

This thread has turned on an interesting turn.

And I'm pretty good with the ladies too trogdor1oh1.

Flipacoin2k. Please dun mistaken my post as trying to start a war of words. I'm am just voicing my point of view over the issue and is not my intention to supposedly rebutt and insult anyone. Not saying that ur views are wrong, but again i iterate wat i was trying to convey in my previous post, it is still about choice. Choice as a consumer. Why do ppl who cant afford it still carry a credit card around and in the end come into debts running 10s of thousands? Is alwiz choice.

Just for discussions' sake,

What is the difference between buying pre-owned original 360 games, and pirated 360 games?

Example, person A buys brand new --> he puts money into the hands of the game companies / etc.
Person B buys second hand from person A
Person C buys second hand from person B
Person D buys second hand from person C

The way I see it, Persons B - D effectively do nothing to support the industry, and so how different is this from piracy?

So Person A has more spending power to buy new games.

So person B, C and D can experience of owning an ori game and may one day be compelled to buy 1st hand.

Pre-owned games not necessarily ez to come by which in turn would make B,C and D go buy 1st hand instead .

This post has been edited by used2bcow: Mar 6 2009, 12:20 PM

Exactly!
And so the beautiful cycle goes on....

Got somemore...I edited the list

go pirate~! lol jk jk =P

well, support ori is good, i was just curious, what do you guys do when u buy an ori ps3/xbox360 games like Rain, OnichanbaraX, Two World? which it sucks to the ground. the moment u start the game u feel like u wanna break the disc into half even for a pirate.

i know some of u would sell of the game, but if the game is really this sucky, why would i buy it for RM50 (super discount from RM180-220) ? even pirates would throw/break the disc for price of RM8 only?

frame them up? hang them in the car? hang it on some chicken rice shop to make the fly's go away?

This post has been edited by IccyAsd: Mar 6 2009, 12:44 PM

Yo bro, no problem Everyone is free to voice their opinion, plus I am still on the same sheet of opinion as you, so peace bro.

Yeah, I still remembered the day that we bought and enjoyed the music cassettes and the black label disc (not sure if you are as old me ). Those were the glorious days of genuineness. Little piracy, affordable.

I just hope gaming should not be something luxury. I wish that everyone should enjoy it, it has a lot of benefits rather than cons dun you think?

( IMHO it help to reduce crimes too, not contributing to it, like what that Jack Thompson claimed)

I too hope that gaming should not be a luxury hobby. Because if gaming itself is a luxury, the future generation wont have a lot of gamer, and that would be bad because from gamers come game developer. We dont want games to be adapted from movie anymore(which is bad) just because we dont have any new gamers anymore.

For me myself, i own both, ori game and also pirates game. Yes i cant afford to buy every each game out there just for the sake to try it. But i do buy good games that deserve it to be bought.

I'm surprise to see such a deep discussion about piracy here and no one is flaming around except one very famous saint which never touches anything pirated before. Well, I don't oppose piracy... in fact, I tried to buy original for all the games I like.

And if you have buy pirated thing in your life, be it for gaming or other stuff (shoes, shirt and whatever),then please don't talk about moral (not morale, totally different meaning) here.

This post has been edited by hezda: Mar 6 2009, 02:23 PM

I would never make this mistake when making a purchase. Forums are here, Review sites too. But If I really did get a horrible game like that. I'd probably share the suckiness and gave it out as a present of something. haha...

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Added on March 6, 2009, 2:33 pmYes, it nice to see a mature discussion broiling up. No flames to people that do pirate and no flames to people that don't pirate. Just an honest discussion. Be it scum or saint, i'd like to hear their opinion.

This post has been edited by Friction: Mar 6 2009, 02:33 PM

I dont mean to butt in, but one question, supposed Jack rented a blu ray based game, makes copy out of it.
Question, can PS3 launch the backed up game?

hardware and software are two different things. I can make my aging Wira look exactly like an Evo, but will it drive like one?

Exactly.

Carry on, healthy discussion you guys got here.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Mar 6 2009, 02:47 PM

Dats is why got game review ma . Make smart and informed decisions when buying ori .

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Added on March 6, 2009, 4:02 pmDuno man. How old are you? . I think i am more of the 5.25 floppy disk days . Started out with the adventure games day (Sierra, Lucasarts)...I started out with pirate games before but seeing how crazy and hectic it can be in the software development front being a software developer myself, i realised how much these guys pour their blood and sweat out to give us great games. I think it's just wrong to short change these guys no matter how much we despise the publishers in turn and how much they're profitting from the creative ideas of the developers. But then, that's how the gaming industry works .


EDIT: Oh there is another valid reason to going ori.....Updates and Patches to sometimes almost certainly game killing bugs or any bugs that hinders the gameplay experience.

This post has been edited by used2bcow: Mar 6 2009, 04:16 PM

Ppl always made bad choices. buying a bad ori game will just make u unhappy.

You never had a feel where ppl brought a wrong car or house.

Compared to your situation, the losses is very minimal, dude.

You might think buying pitared bad game is of no harm, but remember pirate copy is still a stolen property.

It's still up to the one who made decision. Just like someone here openly told anyone that pirate is ok with him in the extent that if a car cost a fraction of the original price and knowing it's a stolen car, he'll still buy it.

It's about one's morale afterall.

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Added on March 6, 2009, 4:49 pmIt makes a very strong hint that this person he menioned is refering to me.

If it is please stop bringing issues from other forum here.

I have no intention to start any flame in this topic.

This post has been edited by navigator: Mar 6 2009, 04:49 PM

Eh? Tot he was talking abt me since my name is oso after a very famous saint too...St. B***l ....chill la everyone, life's too short. Make fren instead of war.

Benefits for original games overseas are better in the sense that if you buy a game and you're not happy with it you can return it within 7 days I believe

....How can't I feel this as feature?

This post has been edited by navigator: Mar 6 2009, 07:48 PM

they cannot price the game/console too cheap in other countries or u'll have parallel imports issues

ehh, i don't really get it, to get the updates and patches we have to go online, rite?
err, i've got a modded console, so i won't be going online anytime soon heh. so not much help going ori there. owh well.

You wont get "please clean the disc" error while playing

what's good about original games (or for that matter, original consoles?)

1) Official warranty
2) Xbox Live
3) Nice packaging
4) Buying and trading games from nice people. Don't want to benefit those hated ah-bengs pirates at all.

yeah, it's expensive buying original games, but if you bought a modded console you would only experience less than 40% of the total Xbox gaming experience..I know, coz I bought a modded console once.

and the original xbox360 games come with nice looking green case that i dunno where to buy that green dvd case .... and oso got booklet ...

Yeah dats wat im saying coz if say yer game requires u to go online to patch or update coz it wont play right if u dun? If yer having a modded or if ur game is pirated it becomes a bit difficult and u would only have the unpatch version which has the bug which doesnt let u play rite. Not to say all games are like dat, but there are chances that some games now or in da future may require u to patch before playing the game...zero-day patch. I duno if the developers purposely do that to so call curb piracy or is truly a unforseen bug found after game has gone gold. Nyways, that's just one of the reasons ori seems like a better option. Wouldn't call it a benefit unless u talking of extended playability with downloadable content and stuff but thats another thing all together.

I just got my HALO wars original and it hang for 3 sec on cinematics like cannot read pirate DVD

I take out the disc & wiped it....now seems like the symptom is gone...

lol you are wrong here my friend, about the againg Wira to drive like an real Evo, you could always swap the Evo3 engine, or puchased an half cut of an original evo 3 to do an transplant, that what usually ppl do. it could go as fast & it feels the same. thats what ppl call fully modded, a 10-20k would do =P

the key word in my post was look. Have a looksie..

And for me personally, I rather spend more on the original thing, being called Wiralution sucks.

I agreed with Snipersnake, some people had no idea that their "Kancil VTEC" or "Wira Evo IV" or "Mitsubishi Saga" or a car with 3 different types of suspension brands stick to it's side makes me (and almost everybody i know) laugh at their delusions..but it's their business to be laughed at anyway.

Original FTW . I don't want to sound like an elitist, but buying originals would get you in touch (via Xbox Live) with real local gamers..and not those "fly-by-night" types

Wrong. People still get DRE (Disc Read Error) with originals.

LOL dude~!

Wiralution maybe as fast as evos, but they never feel the same, dude.

Try it on SIC and you'll now what i said.

Haha..this is really true...wat make me more laugh when got pplz want to modify thier PERODUA car by replacing the Perodua logo at the car with a Toyota...and even change the name to Pisso if im not mistaken....Its really a Joke...even got pplz try to change the Waja to BMW 3 series.....Lame.....


btw,On Topic...For me, I will bought an Original game which is Limited Edition..where u got extra goodies or in game items / characters tat really my eyes...

This post has been edited by nazseha: Mar 11 2009, 11:18 AM

ori or not.....rrod is always standing by....

If its unmodded you can get 1 to 1 exchange by Microsoft Singapore . Profits.

This post has been edited by Breaktru: Mar 11 2009, 10:02 PM

dey...dun state the obvious la. rrod or no rrod....piracy is still illegal....obviously .

anyways, isnt the rrod issue resolved with the latest xbox360 released?

This post has been edited by used2bcow: Mar 11 2009, 11:22 PM

yeah i do play ori but the stupid rrod case sucks! jesper falcon all kena rrod........... just wtf msoft been doing .

Ur luck very bad la... . mssoft just being mssoft .

Support original ..
Ori games nice packaging & good for collection

Btw = saving money for RE5
^^

Then u should blame the wtf msoft,not those ori games .....

then send to Singapore lor....or u can ask Djinn send for u if im not mistaken...juz nid to charge him some $$...

and u will got new one....maybe jasper set?