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Desvaro
post Jun 20 2009, 09:51 AM

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A decent article for those of you needing tips on fat loss, these are just some generic tips but good to get you started:

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/tips_to_lose_weight.htm
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post Jun 21 2009, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Jun 20 2009, 06:50 PM)
Nice article, trying to lose some fat lately, and manage to cut from 90.7kg to 87.2kg after 9 weeks, tats a lil frustrating and wat i realize is the "Limit the amount of foods that you eat after 8:00 or 9:00 p.m. They’re unnecessary. " i think i did something wrong here, i owas have late dinner at ard 8 and sleep ard 10pm. humm. guess some tunning needed. i need to lose at lease another 4lbs to make my trunk smaller.
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What kind of routine are you on right now? Perhaps post what you're eating too and let us see if perhaps there's any aspect you need to improve on? smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2009, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 21 2009, 10:17 PM)
Desvaro,
Long time didn't see you in the forum.
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Life got in the way. Blame university. I hate it.

Glad to see I'm remembered though haha
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Jun 22 2009, 11:44 AM)
I decrease my colorie intake by 200 -300  a week. Just to show u my current dietary plan as below.

6:00am - 6 pieces of whole eggs + 2 slice of bread / 2 bananas + Eaa + whiteflood + multi vits + vit c

7:00am - Workout  (take Eaa)

8:15am - post workoout meal 1 scoop of scivation whey + 1/2 scoop of casein + fish oil

9:30 - nuts + 1 scoop of whey (ard 400 cals altogether)

1pm - lunch at office - some chak fan (lots of meat and vege and minimal rice)

4:30pm - whey protein + abit of nuts (ard 200-300cals)

7:30/8:00pm - 200g of chicken/lamb/beef/6pieces of eggs

10pm - casien + some pb/ peanuts/ any nuts (ard 200cals) + vit c and fish oil
is my protein intake too high?
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Like Noel said, you seem to be on a bulking diet rather than a cutting diet. I understand you do not want to reduce your intake and result in losing muscle. Based on your bodyweight (191lbs) you should be taking about 1 gram per pound of bodyweight for cutting, so your calculations are correct.

Have you thought that maybe the reason your weight is coming down so little is because of the fact that the muscle you put on replaced the fat that you lost? It is certainly a possibility given the way you're eating.

What about your workout plan? What kind of exercises and setsxreps scheme are you doing. Are you doing enough cardio too?
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post Jun 22 2009, 09:33 PM

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Jamis,

HVT is a very good program in terms of putting on muscle, especially if you are past the beginner level and have a good strength foundation.

That being said, it does have a metabolic effect on the body. 12-15 reps coupled with short rest periods can produce a fat burning effect on the body.

Based on what you are telling me, that fact that you see veins popping and some lining on your abs, coupled with a little weight loss probably shows that you are indeed losing fat.

The reason your scale is not moving is because of 2 things:

1) You are putting on muscle. Simple as that. If you looked more 'ripped' but your weight doesn't go down much, and unless you're holding in a week's worth of poop, that's the only explanation. The diet you are consuming further strengthens this argument. You're eating a huge amount of food, you're not putting on weight, and you lost a little weight. There's nothing wrong with that though.

2) With that being said, the reason you are not achieving the leanness that you want is very simple - you're not doing your cardio. Please read this:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article...nt_want_to_hear

At least read the first point of the article. It talks about cardio, and also how to prevent muscle loss

Reducing your rest period will only help to a certain extent. It will probably increase your CONDITIONING, but that does not necessarily correlates to an increase in fat burning.

I hope this helps.


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post Jun 26 2009, 12:20 AM

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Lunge and single leg squats are quite different.

Lunge works much more of the 'other muscles' that the squat doesn't work much of. Muscles such as the abductors, hip flexors etc.

Most people can't even do a proper bodyweight single leg squat, let alone squat 50kg on one leg.

It's very hard to answer the question on whether or not a 50kg lunge can equal to a 100kg squat. This is because the squat depends on too many biomechanical factors such as femur length etc.

But working on your lunge will definitely improve your squat, that's for sure.
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post Jun 26 2009, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 26 2009, 10:33 AM)
I damn sked the single leg squat, the one where you put one leg behind on a bench.
Sked that if I lose balance, the knee is going to get twisted real bad. Phobia... phobia...
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Oh those squats. Yeah they're bulgarian leg squats, I thought you were talking about single leg pistol squats.

I never used a barbell for that, always used dumbbells instead.

If you really do them in full ROM i can guarantee you that you will run of swear words during each set.
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post Jun 26 2009, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 26 2009, 08:58 PM)
ntdote,
I guess a different emphasis when you did your pullovers. Sometimes I feel it in the chest, sometimes in the lats. I think it's a pretty good exercise.

Yup, Jon. It's the bulgarian split squat.

Desvaro,
50kg on the pistol?! Not possible... for now.
Full ROM for the bulgarian splits means your front foot is on a platform and your back knee goes damn low?
How far do you stand from the bench?
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The normal way of doing bulgarian split squats means that you front foot is on the floor and when you go down your back knee almost touches the ground. Should be about 3 feet away from the bench. I have long legs so I'm close to 4 feet away.

Adding a platform increases the range of motion, just thinking of it gives me the shivers. Damn i hate them.

The soreness they cause the next day makes me walk around like half a clown who's lost and looking for a circus.
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post Jun 28 2009, 08:53 PM

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Let me just try and settle this whole 'raw eggs or not' issue.

Yes, eating your eggs raw will ensure that you get 100% of the nutrients from the egg.

Yes, half boiling or cooking your eggs may result in some loss of protein.

The point is, does it matter? When making a decision in every aspect of your life, it's always about balancing the risks versus benefits.

There is a very real risk of getting salmonella from raw eggs, and God knows what else. Is it really worth that risk to your health for an extra gram of protein?

See here's the thing, almost all of us here are not professional bodybuilders. We do not make a living from bodybuilding. Most of us have a day job which bring in the income, and lifting is more of a hobby or passion. So I implore you to think, use some common sense.

You will not die if you get a few grams less of protein, you will not die if you fail to put on that extra quarter inch on your biceps, because after all, it's not your living.

Most of here (at least I do) pride ourselves in the fact that we maintain a much more healthy lifestyle than others out there. We eat a proper diet, we exercise, we rest well, we take supplements (multivitamims and fish oil etc).

Taking whey and creatine is one thing, but taking raw eggs 'just to gain that extra gram of protein that may or may not matter in order to put on that quarter inch of muscle' at the risk of damaging your health is not something that would be a smart move in my opinion.

But if you make a living from being a professional bodybuilder, competing in events, scoring endorsement contracts etc, then the entire situation is different.

So I urge you, to please balance out the benefits versus the risks of anything you do, ESPECIALLY when it has to do with your health.


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post Jun 28 2009, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 28 2009, 09:11 PM)
Errr... you missed the point I just pointed out above:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=26925815
(No one seems to read in this forum sad.gif Too much testosterone surging around, I guess.)

Cooking/heating eggs/whey (or any protein) will not cause the loss of protein. (Unless you burn it kau-kau until hangus)

It might, however, cause the loss of vitamins <--- depending on time and temperature of cooking.
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The point of my post wasn't about being technical, it was more about the big picture of balancing risks and benefits.

But thank you for pointing that out smile.gif

I was just slightly concerned that people were debating about losing a little nutrients but missing out on the big picture.

Once again, thank you smile.gif
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post Jun 29 2009, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(bagata @ Jun 29 2009, 06:11 PM)
erm... anyone include this to his/her routine??

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises....ricep+Extension
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In my opinion, there are better option for triceps.

Close grip bench press, floor press, decline tricep extensions would work better than this.
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post Jun 29 2009, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jun 29 2009, 10:07 PM)
Dan, It's a omen/sign!
It's telling you to do more squats and pull ups!
Woahahahahahahah! =P
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Speaks the truth
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post Jun 29 2009, 10:53 PM

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Which gym is this? It's rare to see a leg press and lat pulldown machine being broken for some time, cause they're amongst the most popular equipments behind the cardio machines
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post Jun 30 2009, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 30 2009, 08:00 AM)
Noel , Maxx lifting strip. RM19.90 at fitness concept.

Btw, I'm trying to improve my pull up. Does pulldown help to improve pull up ? My pullup sux. Feel envy to see people doing the wide grip pullup
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Pulldowns dont help much.

Do negative pullups instead. What you do is jump up and grab the bar in the 'up' position, then slowly lower yourself down (about 5-7 seconds). That's if you cannot do a single pullup.

When you can, the best way to improve is to take the number of pullups you can do, divide it by 2. So if you can do 6, you would want to do 10 sets of 3. This is assuming that's your main focus.

This post has been edited by Desvaro: Jun 30 2009, 09:14 AM
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post Aug 8 2009, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 8 2009, 11:29 AM)
Same here. ESPECIALLY on heavy sets. It's very mental on heavy sets. Eg my max snatch grip deadlift is 170KG. My coach usually gets me to do 150KG for 5 triples. This, without needing to say is very tough...but if I keep resting between sets, I find myself breaking form and getting lazy. If I just "tahan" and pull pull pull, I find myself with more energy afterwards.
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Everytime I go HEAVY on snatch grip deadlifts, my a$$ really really hurts for the next few days, especially when sitting on the toilet bowl. This is further compounded by the fact that I have to take a dump more often due to the increased protein intake etc etc. Even worse, I do them while standing on plates, so larger range of motion etc.

But holy sh*t 150kg for 5 triples.

Anyway mofonyx, I'm experiencing the same thing as you. Currently on Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 program, everything gets done in around 45 minutes or so, yet I'm seeing nice progress. I remember the reason he designed this program was because he had just became a father, so he needed more time for his family and all, thus having to keep it short yet still be able to progress.

Works well for busy people.

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Aug 8 2009, 09:56 PM)
How's your Wendler 5/3/1 going? I wonder is his programme suitable for rabbits like me. You know lah, rabbits can't lift heavy yet. Maybe for dudes like Jon DL 160+kg... Wendler 5/3/1 would be a good match.
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LOL! Nice feeling, kan?
Does your glutes become sore too?
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I've just finished one cycle and I am in love with it (no homo).

What are your maxes for squat, deadlift, bench and overhead?
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(fatboythin @ Aug 23 2009, 04:28 PM)
Hey guys, I have a question. Is it ok to do a 10-15 min HIIT session after around 45mins of weightlifting to finish it off? This is because I'm quite busy, and the only times I'm free I carry weights, but I've also been wanting to incorporate HIIT into my program to get rid of the excess fat I'm carrying.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I just wanted to find get some outside opinion on this, thanks!
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There's nothing wrong with this.

What I do is take a protein shake immediately after I finish lifting, then wait for about 10 minutes and start doing cardio. Of course, that leaves you open to the possibility of puking tongue.gif
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post Aug 23 2009, 08:47 PM

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To those of you who asked about creatine, I strongly recommend you read this article:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article..._up_on_creatine


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post Aug 29 2009, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Aug 29 2009, 11:38 AM)
I just sprained my left ankle, you guys think it's OK to squat and deadlift and bulgarian split squat tomorrow kah?
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As a football player who plays league matches weekly, I've had more than my fair share of ankle 'injuries' if you want to call it that.

If you can walk properly without much of a limp, then you most probably can squat and deadlift. If it is rather painful, then obviously it's out of the question.

HOWEVER, do not do bulgarian split squats while having ankle injuries. Because you only have one leg on the ground, there is a significant demand to balance yourself. An injured ankle almost always means that your balance (the proper word would be PROPRIOCEPTION) is screwed.

Try balancing yourself on your right leg, then your left, you'll notice a significant difference.

Long story short - if its nothing serious - squat and deadlift yes. If serious, then no. But whatever it is, no bulgarian split squat for you definitely.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Aug 29 2009, 07:51 PM)
Thanks man!
I just noticed my ankle on the outside is swollen. And I can't bend my shin towards my feet, and squats is impossible with this pain. My shin would have to be almost verticle, can only do deadlift.

Any treatments/rehab/massage/Chinese thingamagick to help speed up recovery? Is there any long term effect from sprains if I just let it be?
(you know lah, those old-wives-tale about arthritis in old age and what not.)
Not as serious as yours lah. But I'm limping just a wee bit.
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2 things you need to do.

First - regain your balance on the injured leg. There are 4 stages to this:

i) Stand on the injured leg with arms spread out (the typical way to balance) with eyes open

ii) Stand on the injured leg with arms folded and eyes open

iii) Stand on the injured leg with arms spread out BUT EYES CLOSED

iv) Stand on the injured leg with arms folded BUT EYES CLOSED

Set aside 5 minutes, and start balancing yourself. Of course you will have to set your other foot down in between, I highly doubt anyone can do 5 minutes straight balancing haha. No need to be so calculative and only count the time you're on one foot, just put 5 minutes and balance yourself as long as possible.

Second - regain mobility on the injured ankle

To achieve this, do wall ankle mobilisations. http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article...mobility_drills It's drill number two in the article.

Try to get in 5 sets of 10 throughout the day.

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