Agreed, Jaring Wired 1Mbps beats TM 4Mbps. ( 4Mbps only for dl with "good ip" with my Pentium3 rig, while my gaming rig is using Jaring 1MB, better browsing, streaming, and downloading too. However, Jaring is slower compare to last month however still can beat my TM 4Mbps easily )

8/10 rate for Jaring ->
2/10 rate for TM ->

Rizvanry, Jaring shd be your main line, while TM shd be your backup line

This post has been edited by Suk: May 2 2009, 01:07 PM

Hehe it'll be my main line soon if its good. Registering at their TPM office on Monday, if the performance is decent I'd rather just pull 4x 1mbps lines from Jaring and load balance on my side. Adds up to roughly what I'm paying for 4mbps streamyx at the moment (and not getting <_>).

jaring is certainly not a minority company.

they were the first company that introduce internet to the whole of malaysia..... they have better routing etcetc....

something wrong with jaring now,
porting 1.37 8/5
2 14 ms 19 ms 19 ms 61.6.3.26
3 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 61.6.3.45
4 19 ms 19 ms 24 ms ge0-1-1-0.cby95.jaring.my [61.6.41.161]
5 24 ms 19 ms 19 ms pos5-0-0.mup15.jaring.my [61.6.1.205]
6 19 ms 24 ms 24 ms pos0-3-2-3.bkj95.jaring.my [161.142.23.169]
7 19 ms 29 ms 19 ms JRC-0003.GW3.KUL1.asianetcom.net [203.192.163.85
]
8 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms po4-0.gw3.sin1.asianetcom.net [202.147.48.214]
9 54 ms 54 ms 54 ms so-1-0-3-0.cr4.hkg3.asianetcom.net [202.147.48.3
0]
10 54 ms 54 ms 54 ms po5-0.gw2.hkg3.asianetcom.net [202.147.16.226]
11 54 ms 54 ms 54 ms 58.27.106.241
12 59 ms 64 ms 58 ms 58.27.106.237
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * ^C

Jaring to TM
Jaring > SG > HK > TM

MYIX breakdown ?

i'm just make a called to Jaring customer service to ask about the port availability for my area which is in Kelana Jaya, when they told me they do not have a port available, and I ask them what does it required to request to make it available .. 1st they told me .. it cannot be done because TM don't have the port available, and i still again, what should we do to make TM install the port or at least make them aware that there is a demand and can consider to install ports in the area (Kelana Jaya) .. And that stupid customer service just hang up the line !!!

What kind of service is that .. !! ??

call SKMM. Jaring ppl will automatically call u back in 1-2 days after u complaint

http://www.skmm.gov.my/

Evogenix

Well, just few days ago Jaring and TM technician came to my house to do some checking cuz I report slow browsing...
Just before the TM technician came,I talk a while with Jaring's technician.
From what he say, all the equipment like bras,DSLAM is under TM's side and they just rent it from TM...

If I am not mistaken, the area with fiber is no way to have Jaring service according the post I read before.
It depends luck when you can get it since some of the forumers have requested for years but still no news
Not sure what happen but I never encounter a cust care ppl hang up my phone

This post has been edited by x10amin: May 8 2009, 12:15 PM

Jaring's customer service quality is turning crap lately, i think they're now hiring the same rejects that only TM will hire. Anyway, if your area is Kelana Jaya then don't bother with Jaring, because the connection here is all handled by TM even if you subscribed Jaring. How do I know this? I live near Kelana Jaya and i'm using Jaring and Streamyx . You'll get a Jaring IP, but your routing is all done by TM.

I though all area is under TM's routing?
How I know that I am under TM's routing?

The TM equipment will take you to the bras, there's no escape from this as all telephony equipment belongs to them usually. However after that, you can be routed through TM or Jaring network.

do a traceroute to any website, try google.com. watch the next few servers after the bras, if it's jaring(they usually start with 61.xx.xx.xx) then you're in a jaring network, if it's TM(usually 58.xx.xx.xx) then you're connected to TM network. Mine sadly is outed through TM network and it's crap, i'm about to cancel already.

This post has been edited by rockets: May 8 2009, 12:28 PM

O...Then I am on 61.x.x.x
But I do ask the tech that day and they said that is still TM's equipment and they have no control on it...
But that does not mean that is TM's network?I a bit confuse now~

It was just until recently TM could no longer handle all their Streamyx subscribers, so they allowed Jaring to rent their ports even for those under fiber nodes in Klang Valley so that they can offload some of the complains.

To those who recently applied who got it approved even when you're on fiber cabinets, you're actually just on a rebranded Streamyx line.
This is because the IP-DSLAMs in KL is COMPLETELY owned by TM themselves so all your traffic will have to be routed entirely the same way as Streamyx users.It's basically a Streamyx line and because many of you complained, they have can't turn down your demand.
Got money also don't want?Who would be that foolish to turn down and face the noise?

For ur information, TM's NGN IP core network at the moment is not interconnected with Jaring's node because they want to avoid complexity for the time being. All the fiber cabinets you have mostly in Klang Valley, Penang and JB have this problem of having a "closed" loop.
This is the drawback of being connected to the IP core network. It's entirely managed by TM, you get the extra bandwidth at the expense of freedom.

At Ipoh here, we have a Jaring datacentre at the PDTC building here at Meru where the Super Jaring network runs through.
All the cityside Jaring wifi access points and DSLAMs at the exchanges are connected to this datacentre before it hops on the Super Jaring's nationwide fiber network back to their gateway at TPM.

Just face it, everyone is just disappointed that in reality there's only one last mile fixed wired network in the country.Others are just very limited to exclusive developments.TM plans to do the same thing again with our next generation infrastructure.
We do not have a competitor which runs a cable tv coaxial lines or some other cable on the telephone poles outside our house alongside TM's.

EDIT:
If you still don't have a clear picture just imagine the next generation IP Core project by TM is just basically another newer MYIX with larger bandwidth capacity.But this time it's entirely OWNED and OPERATED by TM themselves.
They get to be the gatekeeper with only ONE exit. So all isps have to go through the ONLY door if they want to join the network eventually.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: May 8 2009, 04:53 PM

I think I got the picture already but still got one question in my mind...
As you say all the DSLAMs are own by TM in KL here,but what is the different?
You mention that those who get 58.x.x.x are re branded Streamyx line which means
they do not route through Jaring's network?

I hope you can get what I write above...

yes, I have been trying to drive home this point numerous times.. here and elsewhere. to many people, both professionals or so-called professionals, amateurs, home users, TMnet sympathisers, BN UMNO Malay NEP supporters... the problem lies with TMnet.. and the pathetic lackadaisical attitude and approach to work and effort that Mahathir and NEP has been cultivating for decades... TMnet controlled the last-mile.. the final link to the outside world. IT MONOPOLISES IT.. IT HAS NEVER BEEN UNBUNDLED...ALTHOUGH TMnet IS BOUND TO LEASE IT OUT, IT IS NOT BOUND TO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE IN OPTIMUM STATE... so, with the famous TMnet's "best effort" policy, even though they are compelled to allow others to use their network, if the network itself are not properly maintained by TMnet, nobody can change and improve the Internet performance...

the only way to get good Internet speed is open competition, with prices and quality determined by market forces and consumer is the King... not Mahathir, not UMNO... not NEP...

As you know there are genarally 2 kinds of DSLAMs.
One is the regular large ones found in the exchange offices and the other remote type which are installed on the side of roads and sometimes within buildings.

The smaller remote ones which are owned by TM in the KL and the Klang Valley are connected to a fiber network which is entirely different from the one used to connect regular DSLAMs at exchange offices. They are known as IP-DSLAMs which are connected directly to TM's experimental all IP next generation network.

While other isps are allowed to rent space in telephone exchanges so that they can pull their own fiber there and establish their own ports for subscriber phone lines to connect to,This is what we refer to local loop unbundling.

If you want to picture it easier, take for instance someone build a highway from Ipoh to KL.

1) TM's IP Core is like a straight highway without exits right up to KL.So if there's any smaller towns you want to visit along the way you have to reach KL first before you can make a U-Turn and go back the other direction with a normal road.

2)As for the old method where copper lines makes its way directly to the exchange, local loop unbundling is possible because isps can have the option to rent their own racks, place their DSLAM equipment there for them to jumper your phone lines.

3)The third method is the most expensive method. I've seen some places in Ipoh where you have 2 large fiber cabinets on the road. One has a TM logo on it and the other without any logo. They normally only do this is business districts where demand is very high. This allows alternative isps to serve the area with fiber as well at a cost: Another remote DSLAM.
If you're in a residential area, forget about it since isps never prioritize consumer market unless you really live in some high class suburb.
The 2 places which you can spot this in Ipoh are: a) In front of Seng Heng electrical shop, Pasir Putih road 2)Greentown Business Square

TO; iipohbee

Seem like u are very good in these particular issue, are u working for those ISP ?

Anyone having really bad pings?

201 average isn't too bad

IMO, 200ms to a local server is BAD.
It starts to increase during evening, reaching 200ms during night time.

if my house dont have phone line yet, then getting the RM69 package, how much more do i need to add for the phone line?