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weikian
post Dec 31 2009, 12:24 PM

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1)What's the difference between General Insurance's H&S and Life Insurance's H&S ?

General Insurance usually deals with houseowner insurance, fire insurance, car insurance or PA. Life insurance usually deals with H&S, death, tpd or critical illness. So, which one you think which will be specialized in doing H&S. No doubts that General Insurance company usually offers much cheaper H&S than life insurance company. But, when comes to claiming , you would want life insurance who knows better to do your job.

Its just my opinion. I personally thinks that there are few things you need to consider when buying H&S.

1) The H&S provide guaranteed renewal. (some company provide cheap H&S but no guaranteed renewal)

2) High annual limit and lifetime limit. (some of them thinks that why do we need to have coverage of this high? Well, if your coverage is low, what you want to do if you finish the lifetime coverage? Buy another one? no life insurance company will accept you by then.)

3) Room and board limit and co-insurance implied.
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post Jan 1 2010, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Dec 31 2009, 06:37 PM)
weikian,

1) makes little sense. many GI companies actually specialise in providing medical insurance (see for example axa globally) and most if not all (non local) ones have extensive portfolio experience. GI is always cheaper than Life for reasons outlined before. it has nothing to do with service or claims.
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Sorry for any misunderstanding. The reason i said that is because i heard it from some of my customers regarding GI medical card. I wasnt mean all the GI company as i was also an agent from GI company. It was just my personal opinion.
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post Jan 1 2010, 11:54 PM

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Well, i do agree that customers should call the insurance company to know more about the legal stuff. There must be a reason for the claiming process being slow or claim was rejected.

Here's a good look on all the medical cards provided by all the life insurance and General insurance companies.

http://www.malaysiainsuranceguide.com/HS013.htm
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post Jan 2 2010, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 2 2010, 12:39 AM)
just buy one GI on medical and one GI on PA, should be enough.

the coverage must be at least RM200k so that you can be fairly cover.

then the rest of the money you can use to invest, buy property and saving.


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How about Critical Illness part? and life part(life and TPD)? Ignore them? Remember that PA only pay out when something happen due to Accident.
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post Jan 2 2010, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 2 2010, 12:28 PM)
Yupe, agree a lot with all of you.

20% will not be imposed if R&B is below the limit, e.g. RM150.

Yes, PJusa, I agree with you that 500k - 1 million is a reasonable number now.

Currently my monthly PA plus medical is around RM40 with 125k PA and 210k medical coverage.

If I can, I want to upgrade it to 500k PA and 420k medical converage next year.

But again, it will cost me about RM1500 per year, or RM125 per month, a dramatical changes. This only for age range 30-35.

Again, you must know that PA rate is fixed while medical rate is increasing exponentially. When you need it more, you can't afford it, it is somehow a truth.

At the end I might increase my PA coverage to 200k while maintaining medical insurance coverage.

All of us can come out with the figure of 500k - 1 million, but not all of us afford to buy it, those who afford may want to spend it elsewhere for better life (buying house, saving, daily expenses, etc).


Added on January 2, 2010, 12:38 pm

You are right on the statement that pay now and easy later.

Investment link with medical coverage is also help saving money first then pay for it later.

As I know, there is no life insurance guarantee the medical fee; and you may be requested to downgrade your medical coverage if investment is not satisfactory. After all, it is still a bet for investment.

I would say for those who don't mind expensive life insurance, they should buy it.
For average people like us, we would need a cost-efficient coverage and the rest of the money we will invest ourselves.
But you must be very disciplined using GI, which increase every five years. life will be for those who needs fixed rates.

But indeed, GI is most cost effective, sort of DIY.


Added on January 2, 2010, 12:41 pm

If you need all these. you will need a full life insurance, but you pay more.

BUt if you ask people around, those who get life insurance usually get lower coverage like 100k medic, 50k life, 30k PA only, as there are a lot of fees/coverages. but they have to pay like RM200 a month. May be those with life insurance can advise on this.
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Not really, some companies offer only RM150-160 per month and with 100k life 50k Critical Illness, Rm150 room and board ( 90k annual limit, 720k lifetime) and also 20-30k pa. However its all depends on its age. But i would say Critical Illness is a very very important part that you need to cover other than medical card.
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post Jan 3 2010, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 2 2010, 09:13 PM)
yupe.. this policy is good for medical but still need to buy separate PA..
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yea. But u can find very cheap PA nowadays. Some provide RM 100,000 and every year increase by 10% until 100% and guaranteed renewal up to age 100. With only RM 100 per YEAR. Some even RM 75 but duno about the details.
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post Jan 4 2010, 01:09 AM

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You can use this website to quote all kinds of medical cards provided by GI and Life insurance company. Good comparison. You can then compare whether GI or LIFE better in your own judgment.

http://www.eahealth.asia/

Just some advises,
Try to avoid room and board of below RM 100, nowadays hardly find such cheap rooms in Private Hospital except for GH.

Btw Pjusa, you say axa was GI company but from my experience, Axa was also an Life insurance company isn't it.

This post has been edited by weikian: Jan 4 2010, 01:37 AM
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post Jan 4 2010, 07:21 PM

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Yea, very true justin. If there were any best plan, there wouldn't be any other plans on the market. I personally thinks that agent is the most important thing in taking up an insurance policy. No matter how good is the plan or company, if the agent not there for you when you need him the most, then everything will be useless.
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post Jan 4 2010, 10:28 PM

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I would suggest you not to buy medical card with too low limit. As when you finished up the limit, you might have problem buying another medical card. Insurance companies might not want to accept you by then.
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post Jan 5 2010, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 4 2010, 11:51 PM)
If you see carefully, I am mentioning about senior medical insurance. buying a decent one will cost you a rocket.
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True, but i dont think there are other ways except paying higher. I understand that that's the reason you choosing lower coverage medical card. However, people do not get healthier when they get older, you will need more protection that time than now. If can afford, try to get the higher coverage. ILP at this age will also be expensive.
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post Feb 6 2010, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(cenkudu @ Feb 6 2010, 07:57 PM)
Thanks PJusa very comprehensive answer. discussing with agent to terminate ILP and they try to convince me that their product is good because it comes with special benefit. anything happen to parent the policy will be waived
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Cenkudu, please do not terminate ur current ILP policy or any policies unless you have to do so. It would be the worst decision to make.

Advice from certified financial planner would be more convincing.
read this post http://kclau.com/insurance/replacement-of-insurance-policy/

and this http://kclau.com/insurance/insurance-premium/

And if you were deciding whether to buy term and invest the rest? Be sure you know the advantage and disadvantages.
http://kclau.com/insurance/buy-term/


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post Feb 7 2010, 12:24 PM

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I still think that if your existing policies don’t fulfill your protection needs, you should buy new policies that compliment the existing policy features, not replacing them. Refer your insurance policy bonus payment, surrender value which can be found on the sales illustration or inside the policy. In other words, during the initial years, there is not much money left in your policy.

Besides, i don't see any different in taking up an ILP with buying a separate term insurance(GI medical card and PA) and then 'invest the different'. ILP is just term+unit trust investment which you can do it both in a time. And besides, more protection(ILP usually have bout 8x the annual limit than normal standalone medical card which is bout 4x annual limit) than buying a separate term insurance. Thus, if someone suggest you to only take up medical card and PA and give up ILP, its just like moving your self from a low risk to a higher risk condition.

You might think that some of the protection or riders inside the policy is not important now but someday later in your life you will still need it. Instead of regretting that time and buy another life insurance at that time(which is more expensive) . Why not have with now with a cheaper premium? Besides, some life insurance companies do have very good medical card.

You might have bought a policy that’s not according to your “want”, but I am sure it can be packaged someway to meet your real needs.

Pjusa, this is just my opinion and you need not be so defensive as there are no worst plan or best plan in the market. Thanks icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Feb 26 2010, 11:51 PM

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Does standalone CI means coverage of Life, TPD and CI?
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post Mar 11 2010, 10:25 AM

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ILP is non-guaranteed. Normally it ranged from 2% to 9%.
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post Mar 22 2010, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ Mar 21 2010, 07:17 PM)
What Lusmays say is true. I believe the medical card he is referring to is Either from Allianz or Prudential.

For your question, you cannot opt to pay for the excess room and board charges yourself. Because most insurance companies in M'sia covers room and board and once a person is admitted, the room and board will be borne by the insurer and if overstay the room and board limit, insurer will impose a Co-payment (i would rather use the world co-payment than co-insurance coz co-insurance is the % amount on the surgical cost) depending on the terms and conditions of the card. As far as i'm concern, I know GE's Smart Medic co-payment is up to no cap. Allianz is 20% up to max of 1000. I believe this applicable to Pru Health too (Pru agent pls verify this).

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What i heard is that GE's smart medic do have max cap, which is 20% and RM 500 max. Besides, GE's smart medic also have annual limit of RM 90k and lifetime limit of RM 720k for RM 150 R&B. Correct me if i'm wrong

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post Mar 22 2010, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ Mar 22 2010, 11:40 AM)
Hei WeiKian,

Thanks for your feedback. What you say is true. But this is only applicable for surgical cost and expenses (subject to 10% co-insurance, max RM500.)
What i'm referring up there is if u upgrade the room to say RM200 if you are holding RM150. what is the consequences? I am holding their brouvhure here and it says [20& co-insurance and no maximum capping if upgrade room and board]. Mate do check this out!

Do post here if you still dun understand what that mean - so we can share.

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Oh, then its true i think. I misunderstood ur previous post. What other companies that have max cap for upgrading R&B?
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post Mar 22 2010, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(chew_ronnie @ Mar 22 2010, 11:53 AM)
Allianz has co-payment of 20% up to max RM1000 if upgrade R&B but no co-insurance on surgical fees and expenses. Others not too sure. So you can just check around.

Thanks
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But how do the annual and lifetime limit of Allianz's medical card look like? And is it standalone or rider?
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post Mar 28 2010, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(Pebbie @ Mar 28 2010, 02:07 PM)
is great eastern good? im planning to get ILP with great eastern, but my option is still open.
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Normally its not about the insurance companies but about the agent that will service you.
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post Apr 1 2010, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Molotov Cocktail @ Mar 31 2010, 06:12 PM)
do government servant need to have medical coverage? they entitled to get free medical at government hospital right
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How if the person is no longer a government servant? No more free medical?

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