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groggy
post Sep 2 2010, 07:36 AM

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Hi all,

I have a question regarding medical cards for hospitalisation and surgical.

I bought them for my family for years. However, the company I work at also provide coverage. I am quite sure I won't leave the company. Should I terminate the ones I bought myself for my family? Is it hard to reinstate back later? Do I need to go for medical checkup or can I reinstate by going through a period of time of no-claim and then automatically covered lets say after 1 year of purchasing back?

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groggy
post Sep 2 2010, 09:22 AM

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Hi almeizer,

The company's coverage is OK. Covers family members too. What i also want to know if I resinstate, do I have to do medical check again?


Added on September 2, 2010, 9:33 amI am double insurance now. I thought of saving the few k every year and go for holidays. Why shld I have double coverage and pay for nothing when the company already cover? I want to cancel provided I can get backm in easily. Pls advise.

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post Sep 2 2010, 12:57 PM

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I tot for medical cards, it doesn't not matter whether you are covered from young or start to buy when old, it still costs the same?

Good points regarding employment not permanent, especially after 60.

Also, for medical insurance, there is an option to opt for cash less or non-cashless. cheaper one is non-cashless. I am thinking of getting the non-cashless for the time being. is that OK if I later switch to cash less?
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post Sep 2 2010, 01:32 PM

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Yes, ING. Would u personally go for the cashles or noncashless? and for a 38yo male with family, how much of medical card is recommended? if u were in my situation with company coverage, would u continue yr own personal coverage? Would u continue this medical card coverage until death?

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groggy
post Sep 2 2010, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(ajau @ Sep 2 2010, 01:56 PM)
I think AXA medical plan may suit you. I'm not so familiar with their product but from what I learnt you can opt for high deductible now so that you can pay less for your insurance. You have an option once in a lifetime to convert to zero deductible for free. But please consult with their agent to have a correct information.

Prudential will have something similar in the future, you can opt high deductible then upon retirement you can opt for zero cash-less. We the agent are still waiting a further notice from Prudential when we can start selling this medical card.

To answer your question, Yes, I'll have my own personal coverage because we never know what will happen to current company. The company can switch insurance company, can terminate us especially if we are sick, and others uncertainty that beyond our responsibility.

I'll have a medical card as long as possible while I still can pay for it. I'm using Prudential medical card which cover until I'm 70 years old.
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briefly, what is opt for deductibles?


Added on September 2, 2010, 3:20 pm
QUOTE(HHalphaomega @ Sep 2 2010, 01:54 PM)
Groggy,

If it's ING, I would go with cashless option. I would recommend you to continue your existing coverage even if you're covered by the company for now, moreover since you are a family man. ING's traditional medical plan should start off with RM80. The investment plan, having the medical card as a rider would start off with RM150.

I would say it's good to keep it going when you're old as you wouldn't want the ever increasing hospitalization cost to eat into your retirement fund etc.

Cheers,

HH
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sorry, when u say start of with rm80. what is that? I only know I pay about rm1k+ per year for hospoitalisation and medical benefits.

Thanks!


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post Sep 2 2010, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Sep 2 2010, 08:19 PM)
groggy,

i agree with ajau and HHalphaomega. if you're healthy you can look this conditon by getting a good cover. axa with max. deductable now and a conversion later might be ideal for you. personally i am covered by company + two additional policies.

ajau,

i never heard of a policy that differentiates between who bears their deductable. it should not matter and would probably illegal to do so as it would discriminate between policy holders who bear the same cover. can you show me / point out a policy that does that? they should go to the wall of shame right along with non-guaranteed renewal of the policy wink.gif
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Hi Pjusa,

May I know what are the 2 additional policies you take? medical(hospitalisation+surgical) too? Why?

groggy
post Sep 5 2010, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Sep 3 2010, 08:30 AM)
ajau,

it's always worthwhile to read the entire contract carefully. the only policy with deductable i have is tokio marine medic plus. they cover the medical costs exceeding the deductable (10k per disability) and nowhere do they make any demands with respect to the portion they dont pay. and frankly i dont think any policy in malaysia does. i have read the contracts for roughly every second plan offered two years ago and none stated anything like that. i am pretty sure i would have noticed a clause like that. of course i cant be sure but if such a policy exists it would be great if we could find it and warn everyone from buying it as a back-up policy.

groggy,

company insurance is just a bonus. its good but what if we switch jobs/get fired/retire. cover is gone. so can claim there first then move on to personal cover. personal cover is currently AXA SCO (500k annual limit) and Tokio Marine Medic Plus (Max. Plan). TM is mainly to cover for outpatient cancer and dialysis if the need arises and as a burst-option in case there ever is a super heavy bill that exceeds AXA limit + what the company pays. also when you get older you are more likely to get sick so i feel its good to have a lot of guaranteed renewable covers just in case. easier to pay average expected costs than risking to pay a super big bill right smile.gif
the choices are my personal choice and you might find other insurances more suitable for your needs. it pays to shop around.
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Hi Pjusa,

The AXA SCO that you get is it the cashless one(medical card)? And roughly how much premium for say, 40yo male, for a 500k annual limit like yours? And can we just call the company and get them to assign an agent to attend to us? Is it easier and less hassle if I change to AXA before my existing coverage under ING lapse? I only want to have 1 extra coverage on top of the company coverage. It seems like AXA is cheaper n covers till 80 so I think of switching to it.

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groggy
post Sep 6 2010, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Sep 5 2010, 10:44 AM)
groggy,

cashless. premim for M/40 is 1085 + 10 stamp duty. yes, you can ask AXA to assign an agent. it's easier to switch with an existing cover in force. you can be treated as take-over so waiting periods can be waived. make sure that existing and new cover overlap as to eliminate any remaining waiting periods that might apply.
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Hi Pjusa,

I checked the AXA website and the premium for M/40 is rm1644 for the Platininum coverage of annual limit of rm500k. even then, the limit for cancer and kinney dialysis is capped at rm60k for lifetime. pretty low right?

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post Sep 6 2010, 05:08 PM

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post Sep 6 2010, 05:40 PM

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why if attached as rider becomes more expensive? hmmm.... have to check with them...good news then if cheaper

thanks!
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post Sep 11 2010, 07:22 PM

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Hi Pjusa,

About the Axa insurance, their lifetime limit on cancer and dialysis is only 20k and up to max 40k for the highest plan. IMO, this severely impacts the reason to purchase a medical card. This means even with medical cards, if you get cancer or kidney problems, you are STILL screwed. i notice you bought Tokio marine? briefly, what;s the coverage u bought,a nd how much the annual premium? does it really provide a BIG coverage on cancer and dialysis?

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post Sep 12 2010, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Sep 12 2010, 09:29 AM)
groggy,

for AXA SCO max plan the lifetime limit for OUTPATIENT cancer treatment and dialysis is 60 k. i think you looked at the wrong cover/plan. i just checked it a few days ago so i am absolutely certain its 60k.
if you are hospitalised for the treatment, AXA will cover it up to the respective annual limit (i.e. 500k under max plan). i bought TM plan to get another 125k annually (750k lifetime) cover for outpatient cancer treatment and dialysis subject to me paying the first 10k for either sickness (or claim it elsewhere). that combination provides imho a decent cover esp. since both plans are guranteed renewal. you can get the plans / policy wording from their websites. if you want complet coverage up to several million RM annually without restrictions or lifetime limit i can name you three policies (allianz worldwide care, DEVK, lighthouse.asia french policy plan) but the premium will be much much higher (around 10x) and you might have a hard time getting the policy unless you have international exposure.
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Yea, u r right, max is up to 60k for outpatient treatment. I am not sure but I think most forms of cancer require only outpatient treatment at least in the initial stages unless of course arrangements are made for an overnight stay to monitor the treatment or something. No, I am not looking for higher insurance because the costs is too high.Even the AXA SCO if i get the highest plan, may cost around 3 to 4k for a family of 4 per annum. 10 years will be at least 40k burnt excluding compounding. Most of the sickness hardly cost that much and that is why I was thinking if they limit the 2 most "costly" sicknes like cancer and dialysis, then getting medical card might not even help if the worst happens unless u go for more coverage but the costs are too high too. I am also thinking that if I can allocate my own personal funds of up to 50k for covering medical expenses if the need arises, i might not even need to buy anymore medical insurance, especially my company already has a cover. (though not extensive). Todays the Star also has a write up where insurance companies refuse to issue guarantee letter when shit hits the fan because of non-disclosure or other things. Most medical costs won't exceed 10k to 20k per visit i think. if the most "costly" ones cannot be adequately covered anyway, why bother with medical insurance? what do u think?

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