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Lusmays
post Mar 21 2010, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 20 2010, 09:51 PM)
Right, that's my concern too.

2 noob questions here:

1. So, can I like choose to pay the room and board out of my own pocket (and not claim from the insurance) if the total room charges is less than the 20% co-insurance thus avoid paying the 20% co-insurance IF I was forced to upgrade the room?

Eg:
Insurance R&B = RM 150/day.
Forced to stay in a RM200 room for 60 days. R&B = RM 12,000.
Surgery etc RM 80,000 + R&B RM12,000 = RM 92,000. 20% co-insurance = RM 18,400.

So my question is, can I pay RM 12000 for room myself, and claim only RM 80,000 (assumed this is within annual limit) to avoid paying RM 18,400?

2. Is there such thing as you paying the difference in the R&B upgrade to avoid co-insurance? Say your insurance only gives RM150/day but you're staying at a RM200 room, but you only claim RM150 and pay the remaining RM50 yourself?
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Sorry to disturb your discussion guys,

My opinion to Q1;
I don't think the calculation would be that way.

FYI, R&B is not affected neither annual limit nor lifetime limit nor co-insurance . So, refer to your e.g, I think it'll be this way:

Scenario (taken from PH150 entitle RM62,500 annual limit)

R&B (Additional): RM50 x 60 Days = RM3,000 (pay separately)
Surgery etc = RM80,000 - RM62,500 = RM17,500 (You Pay)
For co-Insurance (10%):
= RM62,500 x 10% = RM6,250
~however, the max limit of co-insurance that you have to pay is only RM1,000, the remaining RM5,250 will be absorbed by Insurance.

So, the total amount that you have to pay is:
=Addititional R&B + Over Annual Limit + Maximum Co.Insurance
=RM3,000 + RM17,500 + RM1,000
=RM21,500

Say, if the 80K is within annual limit:
Than you have to pay is only:
=Additional R&B + Maximum Co.Insurance
=RM3,000+RM1,000
=RM4,000


Respond to Q2,

My answer is YES.
In PRUHEALTH plan, you can include few allowance /riders in your plan such:
1. Hospital Benefit (Min RM50/day & Max RM400/Day)
2. PRUMED ~ every unit consist of :
a. HB = RM50/day
b. ICU = additional RM100/day
c. Surgery = can claim for surgery up to RM2,500 per event, whereby can claim up to 5 times a year @ RM12,500/year)

or you take PH300 that cover:
1. R&B = RM300/Day
2. Annual Limit = RM100,000
Life time Limit=RM1,000,000
3. If you're healthy, PRU rewards you back with No Claim Bonus of RM400 every healthy year.
Lusmays
post Mar 28 2010, 08:00 PM

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Yes HH...a is true,

It depends on your needs, risk tolerance and budget.

Some tips:

Go to your nearest hospitals and ask them the Hasle-Free Insurer (Insurance Company) especially on admission and claim, surely they'll share with u the best deal.

Then, get 2nd opinion from friends, family etc

But, don't drag too long. There are 3 type of people who want to buy insurance:

1. They have UNDERSTANDING, AWARENESS & KNOWLEDGE about it.
2. They have GOAL in life ~ maybe for emergency case.
3. They faced the IMPACT / CRISIS

The 3rd one ~ can't take it forever. Too deep analysis will paralyze your decision. Don't put you into risk of people type 3.

Lusmays
post Mar 29 2010, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(extrememech @ Mar 29 2010, 12:32 AM)
sorry if i ask stupid question... does any insurance company that sell medical card offer cash bonus after end of premium date ? Means like u pay for 20 yrs then maybe u get back the sum premium insured?
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Yes chew_ronnie is right...if you attach to Investment Linked then you'll get some return but its not guaranteed.

However, if its from PRU i.e PRUHEALTH 200, you don't use it at all for 20 yrs, then you can get NCB (No Claim Bonus) RM300 on yearly basis. So, you can get RM6,000 for 20 yrs period (Guaranteed) + your linked investment value (Non-Guaranteed).

The idea is PRU pays you when you're sick and reward you if you're healthy.




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post Mar 31 2010, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 29 2010, 10:48 AM)
I'd rather they took out the co-insurance than giving out NCB. First, the NCB most people would afford is the PL100, which pays about 100 a month. The Rm6,000 looks good until you figure out that they already charged you the amount in your premium already. You don't claim, Pru lose nothing by giving you the money, in your Investment account (where they will charge fund management fees).

And thats until age 70. Try until age 80 and see the charges go through the roof.

Co-insurance for outpatient now 20% with max RM2,000. That applies to kidney dialisis and cancer treatment.  sweat.gif
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Bro. i my understanding for PruHealth Co-Insurance for out-patient is only 10% with max of RM2,000.

And then, it is better because there's no limit amount for that treatment. If you're afraid of high bills, then go for high coverage.

About the NCB, think on the bright side, So far only Prudential is doing that. Some of the competitors also have the co-insurance, however there's no return bonus yet. On the co-insurance matter, Pru still can be covered by some riders like HB (up to RM400 per day) or PruMed



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post Apr 2 2010, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Apr 1 2010, 12:29 AM)
I am thinking on what would happen when I go into a hospital. Sure, co-insurance only 10%, but be honest, who amongst us have the ability to spend RM1000 when you are discharged from the hospital? Wouldn't it be better not paying anything at all when you are discharged? The HB riders are not going to help you there, because the cheque arrives about 1 month AFTER you are discharged.

There is no bright side about the NCB. Have you compared the charged of PMM5 vs PruHealth? Have you looked at how much the premiums are? Premiums go up bro, but three upgrades in a year? One astute customer when I was presenting the charges commented, "So I pay you extra 10 ringgit a month to get this NCB? It means I pay you extra RM120 a year and you are only giving me back RM100? You untung RM20 lar."
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Yes i agree on the price differences (PH is higher than PMM5). However, that's only an option to client. Either they upgrade or maintain the PMM5.



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