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Lucas 1
post Feb 18 2009, 02:24 AM

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The Kedah Task Force had managed to have the Kedah meeting controlled with the ‘Target’ cornered and pinched that he admitted that he was no expert but a mere ‘blogger’ and that he actually didn’t know how to shift the swiftlets in his few minutes of speech. A couple of annoyed senior officials were seen openly telling the blogger after the meeting that ‘nasib baik, u pandai tak kata terlampau, jika tidak mesti kena hantam!’ The 100s who attended including all the VVIP actually already knew in advance who he was and his agenda.

The meeting went on well with the full State Council meeting led by the MB. The meeting unanimously resolved for full approval to develop the BH industry in Kedah. However, the MB did not agree to adopt the proposed recommendations of the National Guidelines from Federal which they considered unsuitable and unrealistic to promote the industry. The MB specifically instructed the State PBT to re-draft the State Guidelines to be set as a model to other states with the cooperation and input from the Task Force.

The Kedah Task Force would like to thank all Kedah BH owners for the trust, unity and full cooperation given to the Task Force to lead them for a breakthrough to another important milestone in the history of Kedah. One of the very crucial strategies was that all the Excos and the senior officials were given well in advance THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT ON THE MALAYSIA BIRD’S NEST INDUSTRY written by David Lim before the meeting. We would like to thank Dr Reduan of the Haiwan with his splendid speech in the support of BH industry in Kedah. He was the best speaker.

Our deepest sympathy is for the Sarawakian Brothers. Please stand up and be united to fight the evil. UNITY IS STRENGTH. All the Kedah Excos have expressed their concern and sympathy too as while the meeting was in progress, the Excos also received the sms news of Sarawak.

The senior legal counsel sent by us to Sarawak has rounded up a team of local lawyers under his supervision. They are very confidence in preparing to institute a legal suit including a court injunction against the Forestry Corporation. They need at least 30 BHs at RM4, 000 each to commence. Only those in the list will be defended. Those interested, please quickly contact John of Mukah. This senior counsel is the only lawyer who had successfully obtained an injunction against the Penang MPSP and stopped the local authority from further destroying the other BHs of Penang in 2002 and won.

Mr Benchai, please continue to organise them to resist. How we wish we could be there to join you. Our salute to you.



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post Feb 18 2009, 09:01 PM

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Since Hairy the cock after all thses incidents still don't learn with remorse. Many of his personal friends and blog readers are so disappointed that they decided to distant themselves from him.It is time to expose his previous cheatings and mischievous doings so that no innocent newbies get cheated again. Why don't we encourage his victims to come forward to tell their stories? Those who know of his victims who are not well verse of computer may help them to write out the incidents.

Just received a PM msg that the Black C**** was among a few bird's sound passed by someone from Jawi to the cock for him to test as the cock offered to help. Never expected that the cock sold it in the market. The owner called the cock many times but no one answered. The owner also said the Black C**** only attrracts for a short while just like many in the market.He knew it as a sucker bought from the cock and found it not good and passed it to the friend who happened to be this owner to compare. Thats how the lubang pecah.


Added on February 18, 2009, 9:12 pm

Another joke is the cock can not even differentiate SONAR SOUND and ULTRASONIC SOUND. Yet he got the cheek to cheat newbies by selling them at rm1,000 a piece SONAR SOUND to attract FLYING FISH. Actually the victims can lodge a police report of cheating.

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post Feb 19 2009, 01:37 AM

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MOMENT OF TRUTH



Mr David Lim informed that Haji Aziz Rezab of GEM has been helping and contributed very constructively towards the success of the outcome of the meeting. He and a number of Malay brothers were notified and invited by David Lim and the Task Force. Together a week before, Haji Aziz came up to Kedah to help in and to attend a few closed door meetings with the Kedah Excos and the PBT prior to the grand meeting held on 17.02.09. In these meetings, suggestions were raised to remove the blogger and to find out which ‘joker’ invited him but Mr David Lim and Aziz advised that the blogger be allowed as invitation was misleadingly sent and this is discourteous to do so. Luckily, the blogger sensed tension and not welcome as he tried his tricks going round to rub shoulder with VIPs like a dog wagging tails. He was shocked too when seeing those familiar faces which he didn’t expect and didn’t like to see.



Haji Aziz has agreed to join in as a committee to the PROTEM PERSATUAN PEMILIK RUMAH WALIT KEDAH in which David Lim shall act as the President temporarily. Actually, the new State Govt has been requesting David Lim to help form this state association many months ago to give advices and inputs to the state Govt as to how the Govt could help the owners.



Mr David Lim would like to extend invitation to all BH owners and good men to join in this association. For the moment, there are a number of Malay owners joining in as there are more and more Malay owners in Kedah now. Mr Lim has also invited a number of professional social workers in well known NGOs to join in the initial state to help out. The committee will draft out a very effective plan which shall make this association a model to come. It is a painless, fair yet efficient to the members. Therefore we need a lot of dedicated and sincere volunteers. We will set up three branch office or contact points i.e. Alor Setar, Sg.Petani and Kulim to cover whole Kedah to attend to local owners’ problems faced. This association shall work hand in hand with any similar association sharing the common objectives. Therefore, please help to alert those BH owners in Kedah to keep in touch with David Lim at 0124850778. All ideas and suggestions are welcome.



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Lucas 1
post Feb 20 2009, 12:00 AM

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Gentlemen,

Please stop finger pointing to Tirokswift. He was merely being misled at the initial state when the truth hasn’t surfaced. Anyone of us could have done same for a friend whom we thought is a trustable gentleman. But now with all the truth surfaced, I personally believe that Tirokswift should be wise enough to differentiate black and white and know the right course of action. So far, we didn’t see Tirokswift agree or encourage H to continue the wrong doing except that he didn’t believe it initially. Our group made the same mistake too as ‘H’ was our old friend.

Please stop barking at the innocent tree. The ‘H’ is the only culprit and not others. We can and always are prepared to forgive mistake done unwittingly by especially old friend provided he realised and promised not to repeat it. But how could we forgive and forget an old friend cum buddy who adamantly insists on a notorious act which will cause disaster on our lifelines despites he already being advised and cautioned? Does he still consider and treasure our friendship? If he doesn’t, then he isn’t our friend anymore and as he is still trying to put sands into our rice bowl, we have to fight to defend by going after him no matter where he goes till he stops it completely. His stupid act doesn’t affect only a small group but also many Malay owners in whole Malaysia. In fact, we have the full backing of many new Malay shop house type BH owners with us. Our Persatuan is a multi racial and true one Malaysian organization. We speak only Malaysians’ interest. David Lim is known never speaks of ethnic individual interest for he and all of us consider ourselves only Malaysians. He only speaks of GOOD and EVIL.

Rightfully, we should quiet down as we prepared to forgive and forget should the culprit showed remorse and promise not to do it again to harm the industry. But it looks like he is not remorseful at all to stop it; instead he is trying to do the rampage further by moving to Perak and later other states with his evil plot again. He has now become NO 1 PUBLIC ENEMY to all the M’sian multi racial BH owners. His action is stirring up the HORNETS’ NEST. He was cautioned not to cause PUBLIC WRATH. He doesn’t bother. He is not challenging only a few but the whole industry. For only a little personal gain and ego to him, he is prepared to sacrifice the interest of this industry in which lifelines of million depended on. All the owners must unite together to whack him like A RAT RUNNING IN OPEN STREET without mercy. If anyone has mercy on such idiot means he too has no mercy for all of us.


None of us could tolerate and afford that. So, as from now each and every one shall start an ANTI-ISMAIL AHMAD@HAIRLESS COCK campaign nationwide. We just notice that he shares the same ugly name with the racist UMNO Mamak of Penang. We wonder whether they are brothers. We shall inform all owners to sabotage and report everything that this idiot involved. And that includes anybody condoning and or defending his wrong doings. We believe all his friends and relatives with the right mindset if come to know would not agree with him. Our Muslim friends considered him as a very bad Muslim. As not only that he does nonsense and cheating against the good teaching of Islam for personal little gain and ego at the expense of all communities, but also he drinks alcohol and eats pork which many know. He even tried to sell the good name of many senior officials e.g Dr Redzuan of the Haiwan to boost his own image.


Please find out too which innocent Govt officer invited him. It must be from the PBT PUSAT, PUTRAJAYA. Please alert all the Govt Depts in all states of him. Spread this message to all available blogs or email the message to the officials concerned. There are many truly recognised, sincere and experienced speakers including Malays with us who we can provide to help educate the public in forums if requested.


David Lim says please feel free to make use of his comprehensive report on the industry as long as it is for a good cause. Anyone can post it in any blog. He did it for all the Malaysians in this country. The wealth from the god should be shared by all. No one should try to do monopoly with it. He even appeals to anybody who could help to translate it into Chinese language so to benefit those Chinese speaking owners. If it can be done in Tamil is even better. The more Malaysians especially the Govt officials read it the better for this industry. So less people be cheated or misled by evil person like the ‘H’. And that go the same with my posts. Feel free to post them in any blog for a good cause.


For your info, all the Excos and top civil service officials in Kedah and Penang are having this latest report of David Lim since quite sometime ago.

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post Feb 21 2009, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(aerohead @ Feb 20 2009, 01:28 PM)
Let us take a postive and fair view on this. The outcome of Kedah meeting was very positive. Actually we may have to thanks Harry for alerting us because he announced it openly in his blog that he was invited. If not we might not have even known that such a meeting is going to take place. As a result David Lim & team sprung into action and has managed to get into the meeting & steered it in the proper direction.

We all know that Harry should have advised the meeting organiser to invite other like David Lim and/or Association reps. Now it is going to be Perak's turn, (thanks to Harry again announcing in his blog). I do hope Harry has learned his lessons, to do what is appropriate and not perceived to be a loose canon that need to be spiked.
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David Lim and his gang had been constantly discussing the issue with the Excos since they became Govt last year. The Excos already learned the knowledge and the importance of the industry from DL. Generally, the Excos showed keen support and favour to encourage and promote this industry in Kedah as the Govt is putting focus on agriculture which is more practical to directly benefit the state and the people than other ill-strickened industries at the present global economic slump. They considered it as god sent to help the people. The Excos aware and sympathised with those problems and victimization cases faced by the industry in other states under the BN and also the Sarawak crisis and themselves agreed to do up a painless State GL to set as a good model to help the industry truthfully as far as possible. DL was tasked as unofficial advisor on this matter. DL’s gang has been working and arranging everything including the meeting on 17.02.09 except that all these were under low profile with things going on smoothly and under control.



As ‘H’ suddenly appeared from nowhere ( Later found out a Pegawai was misled to invite him through other Govt official ) DL’s gang knew ‘H’ well with his hidden agenda and motive would mess up and delay the Govt’s plan, thus they invited him to join the team and even offered him post of committee to help out. DL did not reveal what actually transpired as he wanted to test the sincerity of H. But H was too arrogant and refused. He even boshes he is business partner of Dr Redzuan of Haiwan and it was arranged by him. He did not realise DL’s task and mission and he even challenged DL’s gang to see if the official would invite and listen to them. Despite this, DL and gang still kept on appealing as DL groomed and treasured him and hoped to wake him up to bring him back to the right track but failed. (You can refer to H’s blog of his own unwitting confession) H didn’t know that the gang did not need to even make presentation in the meeting as they knew earlier that the MB would make the same to support the industry.



H’s agenda is very clear. He is a very egoistic and greedy person even his own close relatives don’t trust him. He previously was a sub-con to get Govt jobs through connections of UMNO. He likes easy money to the extent of cheating. He is very smart and vocal. A first class salesman. In order to break into Chinese dominated BH industry, he disguised under the name of HARRY KOK instead of his real name ISMAIL AHMAD. Ismail and his family live in KL. Their hometown is in Sg Petani where he has his only BH. As his wife is a Chinese, he knows well of Chinese culture. Many of his clients despite after many dealings still did not realise that he is not a Chinese. He seldom admits of being a Malay esp to Chinese newbies. He only discloses as Malay when he gets Malay sucker. Chinese thought he is a BABA and thus he behaves, eats, drinks like a Chinese. He has a hidden agenda that he wants to rub shoulder with top guns in Govt Dept to get the recognition to be appointed as some form of an advisor so he can fish for personal gains. This rightfully is none of our concern just as long as he does not do it at the expense of the industry by misleading the authority to put us into deeper trouble. There is nothing wrong for Malay or any race to come in this trade and even become a real expert. They are good, bad and ugly in all races. In fact, we do have many Malay brother owners who are very close with us. We used to have Teh Tarik in Nasi Kandar till 4 am on weekends talking of birdy story. Some are real good and knowledgeable consultants. They build for Chinese owners as well. One very fine example is Haji Aziz Rezab of GEM. He is very sincere and mixes well with Chinese owners and old timers. He makes very outstanding committee and rendered invaluable service. To our group, he is very responsible and committed so far. He himself has got no less than 10 BHs either owned solely or shared. Many are in towns.


All the old Chinese and Malay friends of Ismail Ahmad in Kedah who know him for decades are compelled to expose his wrong doing this way. But what choice do we have? He refused to U-turn. Could we just sit tight and let him to jeopardise and destroyed this industry in which all our hard earned life savings and lifelines are placed and depended on solely?


My friend, you know what Ismail answered when the PBT officials requested him to pass the message to the appropriate associations to send representatives to liaise with the Dept? He advised the officials that all the committee are useless and not interested and also that it is better not to have them inside the meetings for fear that they would turn the whole meeting upside down. He alone can handle as he is a well known consultant. (Read up his own confession in his blog below)



So, aerohead, you still think that we should thank Ismail Ahmad@Harry Kok and take chance that we may face the same crisis which our Sarawakian brothers are facing right now? You want that?



We notice that many innocent newbies who search through Google for info on swiftlet fall victims to him. We suggest and appeal that those who have blog or website on swiftlet to copy these posts exposing his crime onto theirs or link it to this forum so to save some newbies from being preyed by this No 1 PUBLIC ENEMY of the industry. If everyone of us start spreading the news of Harry Kok to all our BH owner friends now, we believe in one year he will disappear.

Please be a bit more supportive and sympathatic with all my efforts.

If the person who love to smear my name is so good then go and meet the Ketua Pengarah of JPPD in KL or in Kedah and bring up the matter yourself? Let see if they will listen to you.

If I am successful it will be good to the industry but if I fail please take note that I have tried my best.

I cannot bring others into the meeting because they might turn the meeting upside down. THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2009


Added on February 21, 2009, 2:55 am
QUOTE(tongserseng @ Feb 20 2009, 09:40 AM)
John from Melacca..........
heard his monthly bird nest turnover more than few hundred kgs........
rumours... one of his BH is converted from cinema...............
Not understand why switlet in Melacca like watching movie in cinema also ??????????
Because of these Swiftlet watching movie without ticket.......... john close the cinema for the sake of the nest......... 

a very close friend to lee kong heng kuantan..............
a good guy or not .............. no comments ........ never meet him before.............
if anybody forum member here from Melacca i think at least should look him up ......... as he is pioneer in Malacca.......any way you only losing some of your spare time only................ No worth if you are no meet him up........... provided he have spare time for you too.................................... flex.gif
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NUMBER 1 BAD MAN OF THIS INDUSTRY. BIRDS OF THE SAME FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER.

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post Feb 21 2009, 05:16 PM

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[quote=tongserseng,Feb 21 2009, 09:37 AM]
NUMBER 1 BAD MAN OF THIS INDUSTRY. BIRDS OF THE SAME FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER.
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Dear sifu and old timer swiftlet industry .............
As a newbie we hardly have a one way smooth journey in this swiftlet industry..............
Always bang the wall here and there..........
Any old timer and sifu can enlighten......... who is the helpful old timer in southen part of P. Malaysia ??????????
phang kam wah ???
wong tao onn ???
or someone else ????????? rclxub.gif
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FORMULA
P = 15+ years in refrigeration service. Only 5 yr in BH industry. Well verse only Chinese. Very good convincer. Can talk to birds to go into empty house. Very innovative and top salesman and opportunist. Can create and sell everything including shit. Very good businessman. Everything no profit, no do, no friend, no guarantee. Very successful and strictly business.

W= pioneer, bought Datukship, speak only Chinese, mouth very smelly. Trade in all dried seafood including stolen nests. Treat association like personal sendirian berhad. Same feather like J, but cannot flock together. Cannot see eye to eye with P.

J=Very ‘good’ man, anyone go through him sure come out naked including his brothers, sister, nephews etc……..



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post Feb 21 2009, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(KJY @ Feb 21 2009, 09:18 PM)
Please help me to collect information about Bird Flu and swiftlets. I would like to show to my Majlis Dearah.
Any links, news...etc.
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What bird flu??? Which Majlis? Where are you from?
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post Feb 22 2009, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(KJY @ Feb 21 2009, 11:09 PM)
Just to collect information only. Don't worry.
BH is away from bird flu. I know. and I need supported documents that I can make a copy. like any website? does any body know any links?
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Hey, friend, are you kidding? Do you know what you are talking? Bird Flu? Or are you saying poutry flu or human flu?

How do you know it is bird flu? Just because there are other type of birds found dead, and the Majlis is talking of bird flu? Can you please tell us where are you from? May be we can send someone pro over to help clarify, just in case the officer thinks he knows a lot.


Are you going to clarify it alone? If there is occurence of bird flu, it is already in the front page of all papers. Within tens of km in radius would be declared prohibited zone with everybody living there quarantined in hospital. Refer the officer to the local Haiwan. They will be able to explain better. If not give us the contact of the Majlis, we have professional to talk to them.

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post Feb 22 2009, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(KJY @ Feb 22 2009, 03:20 AM)
HI, brother.. I said that I unterstand there are no bird flu in BH.
Do you know what I mean? I just want to collect some more supported document to show that Bird FLu is away from BH. !!
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and thanks kuching_farmer wink.gif
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Hahaha...........lucky false alarm........hahahaha.......or else all swiftlets in 100s of square km will have to become satay legally by the Haiwan regulation....all malaysian nests be destroyed....hahaha......

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post Feb 23 2009, 10:59 PM

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Dear friends,

Please focus on the objectives of this forum. One of the objectives is how to ensure the BH industry in Malaysia to thrive well so to benefit all including the economy of the country for a sustainable long term growth. We are here to share our individual knowledge and experience strictly related to the trade and find more positive ways to protect this trade from disarrayed or being abused by person or persons with evil intent to benefit little personal gain at the expense of preparing to put the future of this industry in which million lifelines depended on into jeopardy. Therefore, if anybody with evil motive trying to do that and being discovered, it is our common duty and obligation to expose it to alert all to find ways jointly to stop and prevent him from further damaging our legitimate common interest and rights. Such culprit should be taught and punished severely as a public nuisance. Anybody wittingly or unwittingly agreeing or defending such notorious act of his would definitely and unwisely cause on him too suspicion of being an accomplice or collaborator by the annoyed public. We agree that everyone does have a certain individual right but just as long as such right should not cross or harm the rights or interest of the majority. May be for some newbies who are new and have invested a little or yet to invest in this trade could afford it, but this is not so and tolerated for those old timers whose sole asset and lifesavings are in it. One would not feel the pain when he is not pinched.


Nobody here would like to gang and plot up to character assassinate or slander anybody for no reason, unless the culprit has been found causing great danger and threat to them, thus reserved and asked for. Not forgetting most of us here do not know each other. No valid reason to find fault and invite animosity.If one person is pointing finger to everybody saying they are bad as compared to everybody pointing finger to only that person and unanimously saying he is bad. Now, who are the real bad? For the observers, it is up to individuals intelligent to judge for himself the truth. Age does not count here. There is a saying; he who achieves first shall be my teacher in that particular field. Everybody is a master in their respective specialised field regardless of age. Seniority in age does not necessary make him master of all. Everyone has his own experience and wisdom in life. It is up to individual willing to share out or exchange their views pertaining to and strictly to the swiftlet farming in this forum either in the numerous MICRO issues or the MACRO events that affect the direction of the trade. Everybody is entitled to his opinion. And these could be different opinions and every opinion is a good opinion depending from which angle one looks from. But please ensure your opinion here is confined to the SWIFTLET FARMING in this forum. Only the most logical, reasonable, practical and benefitting to the majority will be discussed. Religion, racism and or any discriminating sensitive issues and any other irrelevant subjects should not be brought up here.


There is nowhere that this is my intention to direct the above to any particular person here. My sincere apology if anybody mistakenly feels that way. Please don’t get personal and there is no reason to get personal here. The above is strictly my opinion and general feeling and statement so to appeal to all avoid from being distracted from its original objective of this forum. We do have here some serious and urgent matters that if not tackled correctly and timely, would render more hardship to all involved in this industry. I appeal to all too jointly with sincerity to crack our heads to create positive solutions for this MACRO situation. Our main issues here shall be what do we expect from the Govt? How do we help the Govt to help us? What practical solutions we could propose to the Govt to help them to resolve the sound nuisance permanently? What sort of terms, conditions and procedures that we deem fit and proper to ensure the correct direction of this industry? We need positive inputs now as we are requested till end of February to submit our suggestions. If we can’t, then the officials who have never entered a BH before shall do it for us. Do we want that?


Let’s forget about the small teething problems due to misunderstanding or misinterpretation and come back to focus on the important and immediate issues that are going to affect our future.
Please go to the following link to download the proposed draft by the PBT and tell us with justifications which are the ones we can accept and which we can’t? Have your counter proposal post up here, please. This is teamwork.

http://worldofswiftletfarming.blogspot.com...erancangan.html




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Hey, what happened to the posts on the discussions and the positive inputs for the drafted guidelines? All disappeared??????

Till yesterday, there was a total of 170s posts.
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Don’t know whether Dusuntutmybuntut has saved his posts? DL considered his very constructive and factual. Anybody can help re-post his posts again? Of course, there are also others’ (can’t remember the nicks) inputs reg the drafted GL which are very useful and positive for DL group to consider in their reasoning with the authority soon. Unfortunately they are lost. Will those who posted on this repost again? We want only good stuff.


Since we experienced such crash, we don’t like to take chance. We better standby another site. If this happens again, we shall have no choice but to change platform. Just imagine 30 plus to 40 valuable info and brainwork just lost? At this crucial time? What a coincident?

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QUOTE(stephenwongky @ Feb 25 2009, 10:57 PM)
The operation will start tomorrow in Sarikei where it may last sometime as it want 2 inspect over 100 plus units including
shoplots, industrial lots or even standalone(those not under agriculture land). Very sad to note that there stil operators playing sound esp inside sound in the town knowing those forestry official already in the town.Can we not cool down til we find way to deal with them than to confront now. I was told these operators dont care as you know they are empty BH. Please advise bro esp from W.Msia what we need to do. Most of us remove everything inside for fear of summon. Believe thousands of baby birds & eggs r destroyed. help........
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Our deepest sympathy to old friends in Sarikei. We remember the 1st BH of Sarikei was a former coffin shop. Many wild swiftlets built their nests beneath the small public pier at the water front. Sometimes the distance between the nests and the water surface was less than 2 feet during high tide. Have you all in Sarikei contacted your local YBs? Sarikei is the home base for former Minister of the Environment; Dato Seri Law Hien Ding who was the one supported and approved the official recognition of this industry in the 1st official meeting cum dialogue in 2002 with DL’s committee in Putrajaya. We understand that many BHs were encouraged by Dato Seri Law to be built in Sarikei by his party members since then. Have you contacted Dato Seri or his party members? People of Sarikei are known to be tough and united. They are men with courage and honour. We believe Dato Seri and his party members should be able to do something.

Another alternative is to get a lawyer to start to apply for court injunction proceeding. This is the best and the last resort. Yes, may be the rangers only want to go in and take some nests this time. But they are going to do that every 1 to 2 months. That is enough to give constant nightmares.

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QUOTE(swifbuild @ Feb 26 2009, 11:24 AM)
Correct me if I am wrong.  unsure.gif

I heard from some sources that H failed farm was built by DL.

Any clarification?

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Not failed farm. Growth retarded due to too many experiments and crazy ideas tested on BH by owner. Same row, few other BHs, same design done also by DL at much later date, no experiments, number of nests few fold higher.
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A TRUE STORY



One thousand miles starts with one small step forward. If there is will, there is a way. Rome wasn’t built overnight. Changes come gradually. Sudden grave change causes cultural shock. With one person’s strength, there is limitation. With combined effort, there is unity. UNITY IS STRENGTH. Many good men spent many good years of life with sheer determination and commitment to lead the Industry since 10 years ago till today.


As compared, today BH owners are a lot lucky than those old days’. Problems and hardships faced today are already negligible. Those days 98% pioneers are illiterate and selfish and with no unity. It took a handful of good men with righteousness and personal sacrifice to fight fearlessly round the clock from North to South and from East to West to defend the industry as if it was a paid full time job. They rushed to put out fires in every corner and managed to convince the authority with REPORT ON THE INDUSTRY for the recognition of the industry of what is today. BH licenses issued in Perak, Penang, Kelantan, Trengganu, Malacca and Pahang are results of their joint effort with the locals. Check and confirm with real seniors still with human hearts who faced the crisis if it is true? They gained no extra except paid a lot of extra for the same benefit of the other owners as of today. Besides took care of externally educating the Govt officials for better understanding of positive potential for the country from the industry, so they could help, they were backstabbed internally by some pioneers with hidden evil agenda intended for personal monopoly.


Many good men felled or absconded half ways through with new blood joined in with only a couple old fighters left still stand on guard today to lead. Nine hundred miles already completed in 10 years with only hundred left to victory. You, newbies benefitted from the sweat and blood of the old fighters want to give up now? Or you want to join in the old fighters to complete the sacred mission?




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QUOTE(vegachia @ Feb 26 2009, 08:10 PM)
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really or nt?Growth retarded due to too many experiments and crazy ideas tested on BH by "H"??
then how about other blogger's performance in bh?like CK, James, Cheewooi,trinoks and other most famous blogger,thanks if u can share with us nebie. notworthy.gif thanks
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With our experiences in BH farming, once there are nests in a new BH, we would not do anything further except the normal maintenance and just wait for 6 months. If the growth in number of nests is steadily on the increase with even a few per month is considered good. During our quarterly or monthly routine visit for maintenance, we would just change on another external sound. Usually we keep 2 to 4 different external sounds inside the BH and we just rotate them permanently. Each time you rotate a sound, you see a lot of bird’s gone crazy visiting in and out for weeks. To these birds, it is a new sound even though it is actually an old sound played last month. These swiftlets are very inquisitive and curious at new things and sound. No matter how good or expensive a sound, it will never last. After a while, the birds get bored and life back to normal. The moment you put on a new sound, they go crazy again. We have only a few sounds which we used for the past 6 to 7 years for all our BHs.

Once the growth of nests in the BH is sustained on gradual upward trend, we hardly want to do any upgrading or try new thing. We never believe in any Black or White sound so claimed. If you want to see more birds go crazy, just rotate the sound more regularly, say, once a week. Old sound becomes new sound. You must understand that in dry season, even you put Michael Jackson also proves useless. In dry and hot season, most birds as if gone holidays, hardly you see birds around BHs playing. They need to fly far at long distance into deep jungle or forest to search for food where it is cooler with slightly more insects under the canopy. Only in rainy and cool season especially after a shower of rain, you find a lot of birds playing at BHs as there is abundance of insects flying nearby the BHs due to cooler atmosphere. So the birds spend less time for meals and thus have more time to play. But if it is during monsoon or continuous downpour round the clock, you also don’t find birds playing as the nearby insects are soaked through and hard to fly high for them to catch. So the birds have to fly far to drier ground for food. During the rainy and cool season, you can just go and dig out one old sound which you consider useless and change it near to the BH that uses the so-called Black *****, I dare bet with you all the birds playing at that BH will jump into your BH.

Once a BH has a normal growth, that means the BH’s conditions are alright and suitable for the birds, then you must have the patience and let nature does the job. Don’t try to be too smart with no patience but with greed, wanting to fasten the numbers and try all nonsense by doing all sort of experiments or alterations. By doing these, you are confusing all the young birds thinking that they are going into wrong house, so how could they stay put? You are in actual fact, driving your young birds away. So, isn’t it a retarded BH with extreme slow growth? Haven’t you read in some of his earlier posts which he mentioned he would experiment those new things or methods he learned or heard on his successful BH for the sake of helping the newbies? No wonder the neighbouring BH owners are laughing all the way to the bank. Never see such a fool before. A confirmed with good potential BH turned a retarded BH. Yet he dared to claim to be ‘expert’. But still simply there are suckers get hooked.

To us, the most important factors we concern are the correct design and the ideal internal conditions in a BH. You may not believe that all our new BHs are so cleaned that you can roll on the floors. We never use any aroma or guano. (I apologise to all friends here who are promoting aroma. It is strictly no intention of sabotaging from us. It is purely our own method). We also don’t bother about the humidity level in a new and empty BH in the initial state. Humidity level only comes into play when there are enough of nests to be harvested. We only use the portable humidifier to enhance the quality of the nests. Also, we never believe in high tech which demands also high maintenance and repairs. The average monthly bills for our BHs with some with thousands nests are 40 to 60 for TNB, and 10 for water. We know of a couple of our neighbours who engaged some top names in the market using very expensive high tech are paying 6 to 8 times our maintenance and yet the number of birds is less than 20% that of ours operated same time. We could be luckier than our neighbours or the birds like something in our BHs better which we also don’t know what.

Regarding the bloggers, I do believe that there are good and sincere ones. The few you mentioned seemed not bad as so far we don’t hear complaints. Reading from what they wrote, they seem sincere and they know what they are writing. Some of them could be good and doing it as more of a hobby and willing to share. Not so much for money. But, how good they really are, I haven’t engaged them or even known them personally yet, so I do not know. But, one thing for sure, they are definitely a lot better than the idiot with so many of his cheatings exposed by his victims. Most important is they don’t cheat. Why don’t you engage them and let me know. I am too rusty to do another new one by myself. I may consider engaging someone reasonably good. I don’t need the super idiot.

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post Feb 27 2009, 12:20 PM

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How about PENUMPANGAN BURUNG WALET? (SWIFTLET HOTEL OR LODGING)
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post Feb 27 2009, 02:09 PM

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To aeiou228 and ian oh,


Very good and positive argument and inputs showed. Most importantly the gentleman way and the mutual respect shown by both of you is a fine example that we respect. Well done, keep it up and please continue…………

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LATEST NEWS FROM PERAK STATE

This morning, a dialogue and fact finding tour was conducted by the JPBD PERAK for the JPBD NATIONAL in Sri Manjung. JPBD NATIONAL was led by the Ketua Pengarah, a lady. The locals were represented by the top officers from the JPBD PERAK, MAJLIS PERBANDARAN MANJUNG, PERHILITAN, HAIWAN and the committee from the PERAK MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, Mr Tan, and Mr Ling etc.


The Ketua Pengarah claimed that she was there tasked to conduct fact findings and her and her many officers had never been into a BH before. The group was given an eye-opening tour by the reps of the Association into a number of BHs. A dialogue was held in which all local departments made positive and supportive inputs to the guests. The guests realised the important positive impact of this industry has on the economy of the country. After listening to the presentation from Mr Ling, they now realised that it is not viable at all and unwise to talk of removing BHs in town as the country and the people would have too much to lose.


According to the feedback from our counterparts, generally, the meeting was considered very successful and fruitful with many misleading initial JPBD proposals and doubts straightened and truth reviewed to the guests. Our counterparts revealed that many attended wondered and were rather annoyed with one idiot suspected gate-crasher claiming to be expert trying to be ball-carrier going near the top officials. He spoke a lot of eco-park. Most did not know who this guy was and who invited him as he wasn’t representing any department neither the association.
Our Perak counterparts appreciated the advance alert given to them for the meeting so that they managed to do something positive. Majority of BH owners would like to thank the Perak Association for having done up to the expectation.

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post Feb 27 2009, 08:22 PM

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THE ECO-PARKS’ INTRIGUE ON THE TOWNSHIP BHS.


Doing BH in town and operating of Eco-parks in outskirts are two separate investments and issues but fall under same industry. It is quite analogical to the rubber and oil palm planting industries. The planting industry also has 2 categories; the small holders and the large estates. The planting industry started from individual holders encouraged by the Govt to aid in the locals’ income to rid of poverty. Later big corporations come into picture by turning huge forests into large plantations. Both co-existed till today.


Similarly, the BH industry started in town by turning unoccupied, abandoned, and unproductive and over-supplied shop-houses into something productive to aid in the income of the locals. As the industry grows, today big corporations start to come in to play a role by building Eco-parks on agricultural land outside the town. Actually, this is a healthy growth as both can co-exist peacefully and permanently to do well for the interest of the country and the people. Provided this is subjected to the Eco-park owners do not trick with greed and agenda to put sands into the rice bowl and threaten the survival of town owners and the town owners would not ‘gang’ up to protest and hit back fiercely.

Question now is due to too huge a project is built with hundreds of BHs in one Eco-park at the same time, the existing limited population of the swiftlets in the area could not sustain to occupy the large number of BHs in it to make it lucrative enough to attract investors and that supply of BHs suddenly far exceeded the would be investors. This placed the developer into financial dilemma and difficulties. In order to solve their problems faced, with selfish and bad agenda, they resolve to the using of dirty tricks. They make use of their position to influence, mislead, conspire and or to bride the politicians with the intention for them either not to issue BH licenses in town or even to a greater extent of abusing their power to suppress and close down the existing BHs in towns, so to force the town owners or potential investors have no other choice but to buy the Eco-parks.

Most of the Eco-parks are either owned by the respective State Govt-Linked Corporations (GLC) or joint venture project between State Govt (Provider of free or cheap land) and private persons or companies with strong political influence. Most of the directors are the Excos, YBs, politicians or persons acting as proxy for them. These are clear cut of conflict of interests, vested interests, grossly abuse of power and corruptions.


Of course, there is some privately owned mini Eco-parks not with such evil intent.

Can we get everybody’s help to supply the info as details as possible on all the companies that are operating or intending to operate Eco-parks in Malaysia including those in East Malaysia and have them posted up here? We will compile them and do our best to help them to make ‘GOOD’ advertisement…………….. May be someone could help take the trouble to search through the Google? I am interested to buy up one unit each……………

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