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Ivan Ho
post Apr 5 2010, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 5 2010, 06:55 PM)
I can't find the blog "No Swiftlet Houses in Georgetown - Right or Wrong" as mentioned but do find the below blog and I passed comments and advices on it and doesn't know if he is going to publish it or not. Even if he didn't publish it but surely he must have read it and revert back to me as I even provide him with all my particulars like name and email if he want to know the truth about the industry and not trying to spread lies unless he, too has hidden agenda.  

http://noswiftlethousesingeorgetown.blogsp...03/contact.html
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Hi West Wing,

Im new to this industry and i have visited the website you have posted and have posted some of my comments. Well, my comments will be display getting approval....and it seem my comments unlikely will be display out as all the display blogs there are more "aggresive" and "bias".....


Added on April 5, 2010, 9:32 pm
QUOTE(hackwire @ Apr 5 2010, 01:14 PM)
most important thing to me is that all of us including the govt must look further than the problems which in actual fact can be dissolve once our nation economy and also creating workforce for the nation. one should not think of just monopolizing the industry as it will hurt the growth and creativity in implementing new bird house and sophitiscated shops and business that will increase also tourist to the country.

i did realize that one can actually stood there for more than an hours or more doing nothing just watching the bird flying above the sky. it's like a fish pond theraphy to your leg but this one is like a soul theraphy minus your neck ache after that...
and the industry had nothing to do with race and hopefully the malays will not be so jealous of the chinese as it has nothing to do with race. blame it on the underworld businessman or the loan shark bosses and don't forget that many of chinese and malay datuks , corrupt authorities that used to renovate their house into palaces and mansion in remote areas .
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Agreed!

This post has been edited by Ivan Ho: Apr 5 2010, 09:32 PM
Ivan Ho
post Apr 6 2010, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 6 2010, 11:05 AM)
That's why I prefer to get the issue in the open instead of leaving them to the wolfs..........feeding the raayat with lies and scaring the public that with the swifltets @ town, all raayat @ town going to die from H1N1, diseases and everything from monthly period to cancer are cause by the swifttes and no one have ever complaint about the pigeons and night spots that created problems to the raayat and it seem that all because we are gentlemen, nice and kind. If we wear tattoo and walk like Godfather, no one will say a word about us. Make Swiftlets Sanctuaries as part of our Heritage and we will charge tourists for visiting BHs and buying birdnests on the way out to take back home as health food at factory(BH) outlet price, right?

Public awarness and understanding of swiftlets are very importance and that as investors and providers of BHs esp.in town, we need to help to educate the general public on the right and correct information so that when serious standoff present, they either support us or at least stand on the side line.

So, readers and supporters of the industry, if you love the birds, and more, if you own a BH, it is your obligation to educate fellow Malaysian on the advantage of the industry and that the BHs aren't going to bring any harm to them. Otherwise, millions of swiftlets will die, many years of hard work destroyed, billions ringgit losed, economy gone and the list may go on and on  if the government destroy all BHs @ town.  

"We move but the swifltets never" and how, why and who is the liar and Pighead who preached that we can move the swiftlets to  another location.

I will always encourage newbiz to build BH in good area and best in core area cos the Core will ensure maximun and fastest success of BHs and that's the truth. This is not from any swiftlets' text book but from years of understanding swiflets behavior and studying of failed  BHs.

Building one in your agriculture land is because it's cheap and it create less attention to your BH but you have so much difficulties in  managing your BH esp. securities and predators problems if you happened to be lucky to get sufficient birds to stay. 

I have friends BHs @ agriculture land broken in even there is no nest inside .......... cos your sound system, equipments and your metal doors can fetch good money, too. ECO park is worst cos they normally need very large cheap land to make huge profit so your chance of getting birds is as good as 4D strike.........100 BHs and only best 5% success rate, 10% little and do you think you are so lucky to be the 5% group? Most of them even charge you for maintenance.........what's about insurance if not successful? In Genting Casino, at least if you buy insurance, you be paid double.
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Recently I have visited Bali and they are quit successfull promoting swiftlet, and i observed a lot visitors will drop by and buy some during way out...

I agreed on your comment that managing a BH @ agriculture land do have disadvantages such as security problem....in fact, our nation is not "secure enough" as compare to other countries.


Added on April 6, 2010, 2:23 pm
QUOTE(hackwire @ Apr 6 2010, 11:54 AM)
http://swiftletfarming.blogspot.com/2009/0...downstairs.html

building birdhouse in agricultural or remote area will face situation like the blog above . the destruction or killing of young birds .
does the authority know anything about bird ranching in the first place. kalau tak tau, belajar lah - pihak berkuasa tempatan. gaji dulu pun macam in, sekarang pun tak beza. tolong kami, kami tolong kerajaan juge. jangan jadi gangster lepas pakai uniform . pakai uniform bukan untuk tunjuk tunjuk.. dengar dulu dan bagi masa. jangan pandai pandai buat decision, beri peluang untuk semua orang , lebih senang jadi baik dari jahat.


Added on April 6, 2010, 12:12 pmI thought of organizing a tour or going to places where the swiftlet to the South and end up in Mersing. We can also take a look in Melaka which reported thousands of birds migratory etc...
anybody like to arrange tour there and share expenses on the travelling ? got anybody interested in this 3 days trip.
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Hi, please do let us know the travel itinerary or planning. many thanks.

This post has been edited by Ivan Ho: Apr 6 2010, 02:23 PM
Ivan Ho
post Apr 6 2010, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Apr 6 2010, 11:17 AM)
how much does 1kg bird nests worth in peninsular? In sarawak mostly around rm4.2k to rm4.5k for A standard bird nests. One of the villager got 7-8kg per month.  sweat.gif
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Hi, im interested to buy some. Any info? Many thanks.
Ivan Ho
post Apr 7 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 7 2010, 08:37 PM)
"If you move a hotel, you will lose up to 80 per cent of your birds.”

….  I do prefer it to be refer to as swiftlets sanctuaries or just Bird House and not hotel………..as we didn’t provide any services to the swiftlets
And most importance of all,  if we move, we are as good as closed shop and finished.

How do we get just one swiftlet to follow us to the agriculture land.......pls advice me.........as I am blurred and confused by the statement of losing 80% of my birds if I move......all the birds, I assured you, my friends...........

With exception of the one in my pant; last sentence is a just for laugh and no offend pls.
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rclxms.gif hehe.

I have studied some swiftlet reports and until today, these birds are seems very complex in the ecosystem and no confirmed data or method that swiftlet will follow the "instruction" as where we want they be...

i still thinking how we could send louder message to attract the attentions of the public.....
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post Apr 8 2010, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 8 2010, 10:13 AM)
NOTICE
There shall be a election of BOD of the federation of Swiftlets Association in KL as I have heard this coming 30/04/2010 @ 2.30pm and every member Association may bring 3 persons to attend the AGM and if your Association is a member of the Federation, you may want to be included in the voting of the new BOD ............if you really care for the future of your investment and wish to give your views and exercise your rights.

Now is the time!!!!!  1Swiftlet!!!!!!!
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Dear All,

Please attend this election and sway them up!!!

P.s - The sad thing I could not attend it cause I will be in the flight for business trip..

Ivan Ho
post Apr 15 2010, 02:06 PM

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Dear All,

FYI.

http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...rt=0415lk01.txt

老店改建3層養燕
恐影響環境衛生建築結構

報導:郭貞黎
叻思老街場火車頭街


叻思的百年老街場─火車頭街,在3年前開始面對養燕屋“入侵”問題,從原有一間可能會增加至3間。

(叻思14日訊)百年老建築物,成養燕業者目標,將兩層店屋改建為3層樓,叻思老街場─火車頭街居民和商家擔心養燕屋林立,環境衛生受影響,及擔心老建築結構的安全。

百年建築物

叻思老街場─火車頭街百年雙層老建築物有兩排共38間,仍有人居住,大部分是老居民,住在老店樓上,仍開店做生意的店舖只有寥寥幾間。

當地居民向《中國報》記者指出,當地首間養燕屋是于3年前設立。

居民投訴說,養燕者將原有兩層樓老建築物改建為3層樓。

首間燕屋3年前操作

當地商民最近發現,養燕業者再購下其中兩個單位,其中一間已于上週開始進行裝修工作,讓居民和商家擔心加劇目前所面對的問題。

他們申訴說,自首間養燕屋于3年前開始操作后,為當地帶來許多問題,如鳥糞臭味、噪音、衛生等,影響整個居住環境。

“去年,這裡曾發生基孔肯雅症,當時有許多居民不管老小患上基孔症。如果養燕活動不好好處理,我們擔心會面對病菌威脅。”

他們也申訴養燕屋的裝修工程為左鄰右舍的建築物造成破壞,尤其是下雨時,雨水也從牆壁流入,讓居民們怨聲載道。

他們說,該處的2層樓店屋屬舊建築物,當年興建時並沒有打地基,他們擔心將會對建築物的結構造影響。

“養燕屋三層樓高,這裡的地基如何能承受,讓我們非常擔心安全的問題。”

同時,當地居民不曾見過該名養燕業者,只有員工出入。

燕屋不應建在住宅區
黃冠文促州政府檢討


黃冠文(左3)在居民、商家和叻思新村聯邦村長李亞端(左2)陪同下,巡視一間養燕屋的情況。

馬華新古毛區州議員黃冠文促請雪州政府和烏雪縣議會,檢討養燕業的活動。

他認為養燕業不應該在住宅區設立,以免為居民衍生許多問題。

黃冠文也是烏雪區會主席,他說,他鼓勵養燕業活動,但養燕屋應設立在較偏僻地方,而不是設在住宅區。

他說,他日前接到叻思火車頭街的民和商家投訴,不但投訴養燕屋帶來問題,也擔心當地會成為養燕屋集中地。

他指出,他關注居民所面對的問題,希望當地縣議員協助居民,解決養燕屋所帶來的問題。

他說,居民除了擔心環境衛生受影響,也擔心老舊建築物的結構安全,尤其是在沒有打椿情況下,將兩層老建築物增建至3層樓高,其建築結構是否穩固等問題皆需要解決。

“州政府和縣議會應該檢討養燕指南,應該規定養燕屋不可設住宅區,包括必須要獲得鄰居們的同意,不要每次是講而已。”

駕名車人士探聽屋價
恐吸引更多養燕者

叻思居民指出,隨著燕屋設立,吸引了許多駕著豪華房車人士到來,向當地居民探听屋價!

他們說,上述情況是隨著第一間養燕屋設立后,相信是該養燕屋吸引了許多燕子,讓許多業者有意在該處設立更多養燕屋。

“之前,曾有人駕著豪華房車來問我們,到底這裡的單位多少錢。我們擔心會吸引更多養燕者來到,讓養燕屋有如雨后春筍般的林立。”

鳥糞傳染病菌
★居民鄭金標

隨養養燕業活動開始時,引來大量燕子,燕子的糞便相當臭,我們擔心會有病菌傳染問題,也擔心環境衛生受破壞。

去年這裡居民才面對基孔症威脅,我們擔心大量的鳥類在本地出沒,會帶來其他的病症,威脅居民健康。

擔心電線短路
★居民林佩娥

這裡都是上百年老店,養燕業者將單位改為三層樓,我們擔心排建築屋結構受到影響。

我們也發現對方亂亂拉電,直接從電柱處銜接電線到建築物,我們也擔心引發電線短路的問題。

擔心燕屋增多
★店主姚志洪

隨著業主于上個星期,在其商店旁單位進行裝修工程,準備作為養燕用途后,才獲知又要設立養燕屋。

我們擔心再多一間養燕屋,這裡將成為養燕屋集中地,燕屋會越來越多。

在裝修工程開始后,我居住單位就開始面對漏水問題,尤其是在下雨時,雨水會從木板牆壁流入,連木板牆壁也變形。


Added on April 15, 2010, 2:13 pm
QUOTE(Ivan Ho @ Apr 15 2010, 02:06 PM)
Dear All,

FYI.

http://www.chinapress.com.my/content_new.a...rt=0415lk01.txt

老店改建3層養燕
恐影響環境衛生建築結構

報導:郭貞黎
叻思老街場火車頭街


叻思的百年老街場─火車頭街,在3年前開始面對養燕屋“入侵”問題,從原有一間可能會增加至3間。

(叻思14日訊)百年老建築物,成養燕業者目標,將兩層店屋改建為3層樓,叻思老街場─火車頭街居民和商家擔心養燕屋林立,環境衛生受影響,及擔心老建築結構的安全。

百年建築物

叻思老街場─火車頭街百年雙層老建築物有兩排共38間,仍有人居住,大部分是老居民,住在老店樓上,仍開店做生意的店舖只有寥寥幾間。

當地居民向《中國報》記者指出,當地首間養燕屋是于3年前設立。

居民投訴說,養燕者將原有兩層樓老建築物改建為3層樓。

首間燕屋3年前操作

當地商民最近發現,養燕業者再購下其中兩個單位,其中一間已于上週開始進行裝修工作,讓居民和商家擔心加劇目前所面對的問題。

他們申訴說,自首間養燕屋于3年前開始操作后,為當地帶來許多問題,如鳥糞臭味、噪音、衛生等,影響整個居住環境。

“去年,這裡曾發生基孔肯雅症,當時有許多居民不管老小患上基孔症。如果養燕活動不好好處理,我們擔心會面對病菌威脅。”

他們也申訴養燕屋的裝修工程為左鄰右舍的建築物造成破壞,尤其是下雨時,雨水也從牆壁流入,讓居民們怨聲載道。

他們說,該處的2層樓店屋屬舊建築物,當年興建時並沒有打地基,他們擔心將會對建築物的結構造影響。

“養燕屋三層樓高,這裡的地基如何能承受,讓我們非常擔心安全的問題。”

同時,當地居民不曾見過該名養燕業者,只有員工出入。

燕屋不應建在住宅區
黃冠文促州政府檢討


黃冠文(左3)在居民、商家和叻思新村聯邦村長李亞端(左2)陪同下,巡視一間養燕屋的情況。

馬華新古毛區州議員黃冠文促請雪州政府和烏雪縣議會,檢討養燕業的活動。

他認為養燕業不應該在住宅區設立,以免為居民衍生許多問題。

黃冠文也是烏雪區會主席,他說,他鼓勵養燕業活動,但養燕屋應設立在較偏僻地方,而不是設在住宅區。

他說,他日前接到叻思火車頭街的民和商家投訴,不但投訴養燕屋帶來問題,也擔心當地會成為養燕屋集中地。

他指出,他關注居民所面對的問題,希望當地縣議員協助居民,解決養燕屋所帶來的問題。

他說,居民除了擔心環境衛生受影響,也擔心老舊建築物的結構安全,尤其是在沒有打椿情況下,將兩層老建築物增建至3層樓高,其建築結構是否穩固等問題皆需要解決。

“州政府和縣議會應該檢討養燕指南,應該規定養燕屋不可設住宅區,包括必須要獲得鄰居們的同意,不要每次是講而已。”

駕名車人士探聽屋價
恐吸引更多養燕者

叻思居民指出,隨著燕屋設立,吸引了許多駕著豪華房車人士到來,向當地居民探听屋價!

他們說,上述情況是隨著第一間養燕屋設立后,相信是該養燕屋吸引了許多燕子,讓許多業者有意在該處設立更多養燕屋。

“之前,曾有人駕著豪華房車來問我們,到底這裡的單位多少錢。我們擔心會吸引更多養燕者來到,讓養燕屋有如雨后春筍般的林立。”

鳥糞傳染病菌
★居民鄭金標

隨養養燕業活動開始時,引來大量燕子,燕子的糞便相當臭,我們擔心會有病菌傳染問題,也擔心環境衛生受破壞。

去年這裡居民才面對基孔症威脅,我們擔心大量的鳥類在本地出沒,會帶來其他的病症,威脅居民健康。

擔心電線短路
★居民林佩娥

這裡都是上百年老店,養燕業者將單位改為三層樓,我們擔心排建築屋結構受到影響。

我們也發現對方亂亂拉電,直接從電柱處銜接電線到建築物,我們也擔心引發電線短路的問題。

擔心燕屋增多
★店主姚志洪

隨著業主于上個星期,在其商店旁單位進行裝修工程,準備作為養燕用途后,才獲知又要設立養燕屋。

我們擔心再多一間養燕屋,這裡將成為養燕屋集中地,燕屋會越來越多。

在裝修工程開始后,我居住單位就開始面對漏水問題,尤其是在下雨時,雨水會從木板牆壁流入,連木板牆壁也變形。
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I also seeing some BH in Klang area which those BH is less birds are having very loud sound (can considered noise) which believe trying to attract birds into their BH, which obviously failed cause i also seeing the next 2 block BH are having more birds but the sound is much lower and acceptable.

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