4B1N1 IS MORE DEADLY THAN THE AH1N1


Bird’s flu kills less than hundred people in the whole world per year. Human common flu kills by the millions a year.

If there is a wide spread of bird’s flu, all the livestock such as chicken, ducks, pigs, goats, cattle, dogs, cats, pets and all types of birds that walk the ground and that mix freely with other birds or animals etc are the first to go. All human being including those from the Jabatan Perkhidmatan Veterinar will follow suit. The AF shall be the only one still living. Do you know why? AF doesn’t mix with other animals and never land on ground. They eat only live flying insects. So their chance of getting inflicted of bird’s flu is the lowest among all living beings next to those live in the water. Your chance of getting stroked by lighting or choked to death for eating is hundred times higher than getting bird’s flu from AF. Dying from cancer is a few thousands time higher.

Why do we so worry of AH1N1? It is just another new strain of human flu? It started as a cross breeds between pig flu and human flu that mutated into AH1N1 that can inflict both animals and human being. Because it is totally new, so our body doesn’t have the antibodies to counter it initially. We tend to suffer more in recovering than common flu. For those exceptionally weak, this flu may weaken the body resistance and lead to other complications or ailments that cause fatal. For those who recover, antibodies already built. Eventually, it becomes common flu. Already few hundred Malaysians got it and all recovered. Only one foreigner died because of other complications.

As compared to AH1N1, the MAD COW disease is very much worst and rampant. It is already in existence for many decades in Malaysia. It is still very common especially in kampong. Human gets it from cattle but yet Malaysians still eat beef from even cattle suspected suffered from MAD COW disease. Just check with the kampong folks. Occasionally, the kampong folks just quietly slaughtered off the cows that went mad privately without the veterinary’s inspection and certification. Have you attended the Kenduri in kampong? The folks just killed and slaughtered the cow or buffalo right in front of you. I attended countless times of such functions and just loved to eat the beef. I ever mentioned of MAD COW disease to the folks. Do you know what their replies are? MAD MAN disease is worst than MAD COW disease.

As compared to the AH1N1, there exists an even more powerful and dangerous virus that inflicts on only Malaysian men for many decades. One common symptom is that most men suffered from this disease died on beds. The joke is all Malaysian men know the potential risk of this deadly disease but yet they do not mind and in fact are very happy and dying to be inflicted with this disease.

This is a special strain of virus that is more deadly than the AH1NI. It inflicts most married men causing restricted mobility, speech impairment, extreme stress, high BP, and uncontrolled fits of rage. There is no cure in sight and may stay with victim forever till his death on the bed. Many of my personal friends are suffering from this. It is called……”4B1N1” (4 BINI)

My dear friend, please be specific that we should not one broad sweep hitting everybody. There are good Chinese, bad Chinese, good Malay, bad Malay, good Indian, bad Indian, good Siamese, bad Siamese and so on and so on………in every ethnic group, community and organization. Sometime the bad Chinese, the bad Malay and the bad Indian ganged up together to bully or victimize anybody regardless of race they come across. Just take for an example the Johor State proposed guidelines, who are the one in front? The bad corrupted Malay officials. Who are the one behind conspiring and instigating them? The Mari Cari Ayam gang. Who are going to be the victims? All races involved in the BH trade. So, let’s do be more mindful so not to hurt the innocent, please. I do agree there exist some racists that need to be exposed and if possible, punished. But, please be specific and point straight to the culprit and not in general in this case. Apologise for me to point out what I feel is not that proper here.

We are grown up and gentleman. This forum welcomes anybody who is sincere to voice up sensible opinions, ideas, and problems or to learn from one and other. It doesn’t matter whether they are BH owners or not or whether they are ECO-PARK owners, just as long as they are sincere and able to speak with sensibility and to contribute beneficially to most.

ECO-PARK operations and BH operations in township can coexist. We should be very open minded and give ourselves opportunity to learn what the sincere ECO-PARK operator can tell us and teach us as most of us here are not familiar with ECO-PARK operations. Remember, not everyone could be like us here have the opportunity, time and finance to own and manage a BH by himself. ECO-PARK could be a way out for this group to participate in this industry. We cannot stop ECO-PARK operations and vice verse ECO-PARKS cannot do monopoly. All of us are in the same industry and on the same boat. We can always debate; argue on technicality, feasibility and exchange ideas for win-win. Isn’t that is the objective of this forum? So, let’s welcome the ECO-PARKS to join in and see what they have to say with the beneficial ideas they can offer for us to learn from.

Since the last few days, I have been very busy helping DL and his gang doing some volunteer works. DL and his gang are sponsoring and organising a very big event in Sungai Petani for the 1st TEOH BENG HOCK MEMORIAL in Kedah on the 3rd of August in Dewan Lip Siang Kor at 8pm. He is doing it above all political parties and races. I just came back from helping a group of volunteers comprising Chinese, Malays and Indians putting up countless banners covering the whole town. This MEMORIAL is open to all. Understand many big guns and national celebrities from MCA, DAP, GERAKAN, PKR, PAS, MIC, UMNO and NGOs of multi-racial will attend to pay the respect. This is non-political event. For only ONE MALAYSIAN. Respond is surprisingly overwhelming and warming and it is expected to be huge crowd and could be another national record breaking hopefully. Anybody in this forum living nearby would like to go to support a good cause? Anyway, DL is having a national record of collected 120 thousands signatures in a single state against the infamous KEDAH STATE CRAZY HIKE IN CUKAI TANAH in 2007 which to the many political analysts was the root that led to the political tsunami in Kedah. This record is also a national record in any signature campaign ever conducted in Malaysia.


Talking of signature campaign may be this could be used against the stupid national guidelines if necessary. Why not give it a serious thought? This sort of peaceful campaign has been proven very effective in creating public awareness of government department abuses. May be we can use it against any abusive department that is victimising the industry now?

Those are the minority corrupted and bad guys and the bad Malaysians. They are the black sheep and disgrace of our nation. We are not and so we shouldn’t behave like one. Because of them, that is the main reason why so many Malaysians are so up-set and discontented with them that they changed 5 states in the last election. Tomorrow, 1st of August, 100,000 angered Malaysians of multi ethnic are fearlessly and peacefully marching to the ISTANA protesting against the infamous ISA act which has been exploited by these bad Malaysians to victimize the good guys who do not agree with them. I salute them and how I wish I could join these true Malaysian patriotic brothers and sisters too. I feel shy that I couldn’t go this time as I am committed in helping in the preparation for the TEOH BENG HOCK MEMORIAL in SP together with the Indian and Malay brothers.

Take it easy, my dear friends and brothers. Of course, we do know that those bad guys in the INSTITUTIONS are making not only ours but also all Malaysians’ lives miserable for the past 50 odd years due to their greed. We shall fight them without fear and in UNITY, the legal way. But, we shall pin-point it specifically and not one broad sweep to envelop the innocents too, right?

Recently, many BHs in Kedah were burglarized. A few thieves were caught. They all happened to be the local Chinese gangsters. They landed in hospital with heads and arms broken. Does that mean that all Chinese are thieves?

A few months back, in Kulai, Johor, a few Malay thieves were caught inside a BH. These thieves revealed and led the police to a shop in JB selling bird’s nest, shark fin and dried food belonging to a notorious Chinese Dato. In the shop, all the stolen nests were found. In the end, the Dato made his son the scapegoat and now his son is on bail. This Chinese Dato was a pioneer in the BH industry. Does that mean that all Chinese Datos are thief masterminds?

Pas spiritual leader, Tok Guru Nik Aziz is recognized by all Malaysians for being a colour blind, passionate and fair leader with wise wisdom and well loved and respected by all races. But that also does not mean all other Pas leaders are like him? There are idiots and racists in Pas too.

One BH in one particular area is producing 10 Kg of nest per month does not necessary mean the other 100 units nearby are doing the same. Many are not even having a few grams of bird’s shit. But that is enough to give a wrong impression to mislead some top law makers thinking that all BH owners are filthy rich simply just because they were shown a few successful BHs. This is exactly what one idiot Kedah EXCO’s justification to propose to slam high license fee on Kedah BHs now.

Aiyaya……… Latest news received, Penangites are going to be busy again. The only Pas ADUN in Penang state has passed away this morning due to heart failure in IJM making way for the 8th BY-ELECTION since 308. Why most YBs passed away are from Pas? Probably, the Pas filled in too many too senior men. High time for Pas to consider using younger and open minded talents. It looks like most passed away YBs are known good men. Why??????? May be it is time, some bad men should go also…….so that rakyat suffer less. What do you all think?????

Our highest salute to all those brave men and women who took part in yesterday’s ABOLISH ISA CAMPAIGN PEACEFUL MARCH. Today’s papers and the news and photos in the nets showed openly gross physical abuses and violent exerted on these unsung patriotic heroes and heroines. Despite with the basic citizen rights vested under our constitutions, yet they were brutally man-handled by the supposedly protector for laws cum enforcing agency. These enforcing agencies have literally acted like LICENSED CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS such as the MAFIA or the SECRET SOCIETIES taking the laws into their own hands. Who is to check these organised crimes committed by these highly and professionally thugs trained by our elected Govt using our tax money? They are indeed the bigger crooks than the illegal crooks and gangsters. In fact, almost 80% of the Malaysia Govt departments are one way or another flouting and circumventing the laws frequently and soon with no surprise at all, Malaysia will be at par with Myamar or even worse. Situation seems worsening since Pak Lah’s era………..How sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........................My wife says she doen’t mind Pak Lah to come back if there is a choice…….. At least, such abuses weren’t that openly done……..during the BERSIH…………The police did it curi-curi ayam way that time………

My dear friends, side track a bit. This is something worth our deep thought and to confirm the theory that there are black sheep in every organization and race. Who said racists and idiots only exist in UMNO? There are even worse racists and idiots in PAS too. In this case, it is rather unfortunate for the Kedah rakyat that these racists and idiots are the top leaders. Go to the following links to read the true scenario of present Kedah situation……..This is what will happen when you put the wrong man in the position…….In this case of Kedah, putting some one with the calibre of an office boy to be CEO of a big public listed company……..UMNO is infamous for that……..and now, PAS also follows suit……….. How unfortunate for the Malaysians…….Real sad........



Merdeka Review Political and Social Analysis on The Kedah Pakatan Rakyat Govt’s Administration and Feet Hitting Racist Policies and Facts Finding.

In Bahasa

http://merdekareview.com/bm/news.php?n=10253
http://merdekareview.com/bm/news.php?n=10255

In Chinese
http://www.merdekareview.com/news/n/10438.html
http://www.merdekareview.com/news/n/10408.html
http://www.merdekareview.com/news/n/10397.html

Malaysia today
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/25372/84/

We ever came across a new standalone BH built on an opened agricultural land about 500 meters away from sea front somewhere in Johor. After having operated for only 2 months, moulds formed on many nesting planks and the internal condition was very damp and cold at most time esp during the night. The humidity level at all time averaged around 90 and above despite all chicken humidifiers were not used. No AF stayed. The best solution found was to close up all the ventilation holes to prevent further moist breeze from the sea to come into the BH. The condition improved. Today, after 2.5 years in operation, the number of nests reached 500 pieces.

Hope our experiences and findings could be of help to some of our forum friends who are facing the same problem.

W.W, What are you doing in hospital? Holidaying? Having your piles fixed? Take a good rest and relax.......... Dont have to worry about your birds, they won't fly away..........

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...317&sec=central

It is only the migratory birds and those big predatory birds like eagle and hawks found hanging around runways that pose risks to the planes. With predatory birds around, no swiftlet could be near. Moreover, swiftlet is too tiny to pose risk to plane. This is another evidence of Malaysia Boleh that we don't adopt MERITOCRACY to appoint the right professional to the position. They always get unqualified person to handle a situation and let the whole world to laugh at us. Malaysia has created the most international JOKES lately. Perhaps, this is only what our Govt is capable and best in. Can we feel proud of this?

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Added on September 4, 2009, 3:33 pmExperience and expertise come with practice. All of us here had gone through the process of learning to learn that. There is no short cut. Seek the advice, spend more time to observe the birds at a successful BH nearest to you. In no time, you are the expert too. But make sure you are observing the winged birds and not the two legged birds.


This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Sep 4 2009, 03:33 PM

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...31332&sec=focus

Hope this is not pouring cold water. DL said it sounds like a spell after a long draught or a silver lining above the dark clowd to excite everybody for a while. But, don't be too happy and fooled. Of course, it is better than nothing. Whether situation is going to improve, nobody dares to say as this is BOLEH LAND. Too many empty promises, too many little Napoleons, too many bureucracies, too many greedy politicians, too much corrupted officials. Already, almost 10 years, he and his gang have been fighting hard for the justice for the industry and yet could not see the end of the battle. DL and his gang have simply seen too many promises by the authorities been broken time after time. Averagely, no less than 10 meetings called yearly by different departments on the issue attended by the key representatives from the industry. The notably one was only in June conducted by the JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VERTERINAR in Seramban which had given so much hope to the industry. But, where does the situation lead to? From bad to worse and worst. Losing faith with the authorities and the politicians. Always thunder, thunder and thunder, but no rain................

Well, well,well…………very noisy over here…..it seems so many started crying………sigh………

I remember those days DL already predicted what would happen in the end of the days like today by depending on those idiots from the so called Federation Asso whom he knew too well as he ever worked with them long time ago……DL ever said…..never never never trust these few top idiots to negotiate for all of u…….many didn’t believe just bcos the biggest idiot is a Dato…… These people should go to Kedah to find out about this idiot Dato’s dark history…….and also the idiot from Malacca and the one from Kuantan……..

DL has been fighting for all in the industry since early 2000 across the whole country at his own cost despite he didn’t own any bh outside his hometown in Kedah……he led a big group in hundreds and thousands of locals in 2003,2004 and 2005 picketed, confronted and forced the former Penang BN Govt finally succumbed to issue licences to all the BHs. He resolved the Malacca BH crisis in 2002. He mediated, negotiated and arranged meeting for the Perak BH owners, opposition leaders and the former BN Exco, Dato Chang to sit down together and happily resolved those problems given by the Perak Civil Service and BH licenses issued in 2004 ……DL also in respond to the SOS received from Mukah Bh owners assisted and supervised the Sarawak owners to resist the white hair Govt’s nonsense during the Sarawak crisis in oct 2008 ……He openly whacked a certain corrupted dept and highlighted their wrong doings in his speech without fear in an official workshop organised by the Vet Dept in June 2009. Many Govt depts feared of him…….But that bloody idiot group for own hidden agenda ganged up to isolate him…….

Numerously, DL had been appealing to all the ‘small fries’ to stand up and come forward and form their own localized associations to take care of their own immediate interest instead of trusting and depending the idiot group to do also on their behalf, but not many heed his advice thinking that the Dato would also fend for them…….In the end, see what has happened today??? From bad guidelines to worse….

After more than a decade of fighting for the interest of the BH owners in the country and most of them he didn’t even know or meet with, and all these are on his own cost. Many owners agreed to come forward to join in and support him but with lip service only……when come to work, everybody has very good excuse…..The family felt it was time that he should retire from all these social services as he had already done and contributed more than his own share and in fact, even more than many who combined and also he was too tired… So, he retired completely since mid last year….. Today’s scenario is actually within his prediction before he retired…he already forecasted this outcome…..His only advice is if every small fry were to gang up, it is more than enough to drown even an elephant…….it is time that some new leaders with righteous, sincerity and dedication and without fear among the small fries emerge to take the lead by organizing and rounding up others locally first…. and spread to all……before too late…….He reminded that remember, never never trust the idiots…..u can work with them but never be dictated by them….. U can get the dept to listen to u also…….The federation Association does not have full representation of all…….it is only in name they sound big…..but there are many other existing legal BNest Associations with equal standing that are not associated with them and did not give them the mandate…… If every man wants to be only good and silent man and dared not to speak up and fight for JUSTICE, in the end, all of them will be killed by the bad man one by one.

For those who are interested to know the Bnest industry history and its predicaments so far faced, u can flip back from the beginning of this forum. Anyway, I also already very seldom surf this forum any more at least for more than 6 months…..tonight, so happened accidentally entered, only managed to glance through a few posts ……don’t think have much time to chat like those days again………btw, before his retirement, DL ever mentioned dusuntutmybuntut with assistance from west wing and the rest could be made a good leader to organize and spear head …..so, have a good thought…….good luck and bye……and good nite……

THE URGENT STEPS TO HELP OVERCOME IMMINENT CATATROPHIC DISASTER AND ONSLAUGHT THREATENING THE BH OWNERS AND INDUSTRY AND THE ECONOMY IN MALAYSIA.


1. Round up as many volunteers from this forum to be vanguards to start with.

2. Appeal, head hunt and invite those who have direct or indirect interest in this industry and not involved in or dissatisfied, disagreed or disappointed with the main stream such as the Federation Asso…. to start with.

3. To start finding and join force with the local associations or to start a new taskforce.

4. Must stop the poorly and unprofessionally drafted and misleading guidelines from being tabled for approval to become law.

5. There are many others including professionals and NGOs who are not involved in this industry but righteous enough to prepare to help in. Go and highlight to the various local Chamber of Commerce in your area. This issue is not only affecting those involved directly but has a chain of negative effect on the economy in the long run.

6. It will become the social and national problem. If the present Govt not careful enough to resolve this issue, this could become the spark that starts the wild fire engulfing and spreading across the country that causes or expedites the downfall of the ruling Govt. ANOTHER MUCH BIGGER POLITICAL TSUNAMI THAN THE LAST ONE COULD BE IN THE BUILD UP FOR THE NEXT ELECTION TO DROWN THE PROVEN INEFFICIENT BN IF THEY ARE TAKING IT LIGHTLY. (WONDERING WHY ARE THEY DIGGING OWN GRAVE?)

7. Go and complain to your local Members of Parliament and the ADUNs regardless they are from whichever party. This is their duty to protect your legitimate rights and interests.

8. Give out together with its translation in Chinese and English the proposed draft guidelines with highlights of consequences to as many as possible and as soon as possible including all the media and all the law makers, all the Ministers and Prime Minister to create NATIONAL AWARENESS through hard and soft copies. The media would be more than happy to publicize it. (Probably these law makers are still day-dreaming in cosy corners not aware of the big prank given by the Civil Service on them or are pulling their legs)
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9. From the drafted guidelines, it looks like the various Civil Service Dept never change nor improve. They are getting worse and are still trying greedily to split the cake as usual behind the back of the ruling politicians. It also looks like it is not the elected ruling politicians that decide and rule this country but the Civil Services is dictating.

10. Refer to the History of the Malaysia Bird Nest Industry written by DL since 2002 in which many of the present situations and problems happening now are forecasted and described long ago. He has provided the proposed solutions which should be the basis for your appeal, reasoning, argument and counter proposals. Remember, the Art of Negotiation is you don’t only point out the wrongs without giving the appropriate solutions.

11. Remember, when you are defending and fighting hard to protect your interest, please do it for all under the same umbrella sincerely and loyally without any discrimination and prejudice and don’t stop at all cost till victory or a better Govt elected if inevitable or unavoidable.

12. It is again looks like a rather immediate and urgent life and death battle and situation faced by all the BH owners and those involved directly or indirectly in the whole country. The hard earn life savings of the majority will be wiped off as their business and lifelines gone, properties tumble with their boys become thieves and robbers and daughters become prostitutes and the economy of the whole nation will also tumble with Malaysia in parallel rating with African countries and the scenario is going to be most chaotic ever since Independence if this draft guidelines were to be passed and executed. The ruling Govt is committing political suicide.

13. Time for immediate OWN PHYSICAL ACTION rather than keep on talking, telling, advising, appealing, hoping and waiting for others to initiate action which in the end of the days, NOBODY DOES. STAND UP AND BE UNITED WITHOUT FEAR TO FEND FOR YOUR LEGITIMATE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS. UNITY IS STRENGTH. YOU DECIDE YOUR OWN FATE AND FUTURE. So, be pro-active.

Yes, to start with an ad hoc SPECIAL TASK FORCE then a protem Association and eventually an approved and registered Association in later and final stage. For all the convenience, should round up those residing in Central Region within the radius of 200km first to meet and decide next immediate course of action and key men appointed with different role to lead and to coordinate. All of you will have to jump start due to urgency. There is no law in Malaysia preventing the formation of another similar nature association in anywhere. All govt dept would have to entertain all recognised Associations and there is no such thing as exclusive or monopoly. In fact, the 1st and the only bird’s nest association is known as MALAYSIA BIRD’S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION (MBNMA) which was started in 2000 and approved in 2003. It is totally different from the present so-called Federation Association (FA) which was formed very many years later due to certain political agenda. You all should be smart enough to know why.
MBNMA is not a member of the FA and neither associated with it. There are no less than 50 state level and localised bn associations across Malaysia and many are not associated with the FA. Sometimes, in a single state, there coexist few similar nature state level associations. And several towns also have 2 or more. FA does not have the representation for all and neither mandate from all. It only represents a certain group. It is very misleading of what it claims to represent all.
Go ahead and start the ball rolling first……. the rest will appear at the right timing……such as contacts, the Ministers’ personal hps, the right depts to talk to…..all the other people who disagree or discontented with the none transparency way of doing thing of the FA will start knocking your door…….and join you…..mind you, they are all watching and waiting for the signal here…..

Why don't you all start to liaise with among few of u through phone 1st for details and decide for a date and time and then post here to openly invite the other volunteers directly contact or join you? Get the other to pm u to give their hps....Sometimes, not many wish their identity exposed openly here....despite they are keen to help and participate......

Greenacres, well said...please refer to DL's comprehensive report, COTTAGE INDUSTRY was suggested by DL and adopted by the Majlis Daerah Kerian (Parit Buntar) in 2004 and implemented. Since then, there isn't any more huhahuha.........with all the locals very happy with the Majlis and the Majlis has been enjoying a lot of extra income from prompt payment of cukai tanah, hasil pintu, license fees......thus the district is prospering..... Many kampong and rural Malay brothers in the district are also having big and small BHs at the backyards of their Kampong houses and ever happy since.....

Btw, why not come on board and join the team of volunteers for this sacred mission? We are desperately needing a lot of extra hands......we need everybody to help in and to share out in many ways....... More hands will make the work lighter and effective....and the more united we are, the stronger we are.......This industry has been misled by the CRAZY HORSE & COMPANY....... These bloody dirty politicians disguised themselves and infiltrated and gained control of the Association conspired and collaborated with certain Authorities with hidden agenda to mislead all the owners to today's situation......


APPEAL TO ALL, PLEASE JOIN US. PLEASE HELP SPREAD THIS MESSAGE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.......TO ALL THE BH CONSULTANTS AND THOSE WHO BENEFITED FROM THIS INDUSTRY, THIS IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO REPAY YOUR CLIENTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO HELP OUT. TO ALL THE BLOGGERS IN PARTICULAR SWIFTLET BLOGGERS, IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF YOU TO HELP OUT TOO. HAVE THIS BAD NEWS, DRAFT GUIDELINES AND MESSAGE POSTED ON YOUR BLOG VOLUNTARILY TO ALERT AND APPEAL TO YOUR READERS TO HELP IN........THIS COULD BE A LIFE AND DEATH BATTLE FOR MANY WHOSE LIFELINES SOLELY DEPENDED ON. IF THIS MOST STUPID DRAFT GUIDELINES WERE TO BE TABLED AND APPROVED AND EXECUTED, WE DREAD THE HARD EARNED LIFE-SAVINGS AND PENSON FUNDS OF MANY WOULD BE SHATTERED AND GONE. THEN COME THE WORRY OF BANK LOANS, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES TUMBLED, THE CHILDREN'S FURTHER EDUCATIONAL FEES ETC......NIGHTMARES SET IN. EVEN WITH SLEEPING PILLS, NO ONE AFFECTED CAN EVER SLEEP ANYMORE.......ALL THESE, WE MUST THANK TO THE CRAZY HORSE & COMPANY & THIER CRONIES WHO SUPPORTED THEM.......THIS IS ALSO THE BIGGEST CNY PRESENT FROM THE CRAZY HORSE & COMPANY TO THE INDUSTRY

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Added on February 23, 2010, 3:19 amWhat? Swiftlet, an endangered species? My god, do all of us see sparrows that frequent these days in our courtyards? I hardly see them these days, no longer like last time......whereas, each time I look at the sky at any where, I see swiftlets, sometimes covering the whole sky...... I think sparrow should replace swiftlet to be under Endangered Species.....For your info, swiftlet is no longer classified under Endangered Species in Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia etc. Only Malaysia the only country doing this. ( May be we should highlight this to the PM, telling them how efficient is our PERHILITAN? I think, good point, no joke. Yes, yes, I remember that. i ever saw it. Someone ever highlighted to me. Could someone please help to google that to extract it?)

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Added on February 23, 2010, 3:30 amAnyway, I am waiting for my Association Secretary to get intouch with the Fed. Association on the matter and hope that the draft is not the ONE>

Bro WW, how long does the Federation Association need to take reply a simple quiery? Do they need to call for a full committee meeting to seek approval to reply you?

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Feb 23 2010, 03:30 AM

Hahaha.....strongly agreed with 2 hands up.....stock clearance sale b4 1GP implementation....

Nobody needs to apologise or feel sorry for what they cursed about the issue here. Despite that DL in his personal opinion and based on the content of the DRAFT 1GP exposed was far too contradicting with what they resolved in the last workshop that it should not be the correct one, and thus to him it could be a hoax. We can only suspect it is not the real one. But, where is the actual one? DL was only told the real one is still under drafting, but why at this time still not completed? Something to hide???? Are the people in charge real professionals as claimed???? The Cabinet meeting is about to start. Why is the proposed draft not distributed to all concerned for final checking before formal submission to the Cabinet? The representatives from the Association involved in the drafting should come forward to clear the air with evidence. Even if they are being cursed and F**** wrongly at the end of the day, don't you all consider they deserved it? They should not keep the industry in suspense unless they are from the ASSOCIATION SENDIRIAN BERHAD. Therefore, until and unless it is proven with strong evidence that it is not the correct one, we should not take it lightly that it is not. What if in the end of the day that it is the real one after the Cabinet meeting? Who is going to be responsible for the damage caused?


Nobody should complain against or finger pointing against those concerned and directly affected of making noises here out of panic upon seeing the DRAFT 1GP. We should thank those who highlighted it here as, if it is a real one, we may still have time to look for a remedy. We must thank dunsun and cergau and others here taking great effort in the deliberating and exposing the issue that acted as a wake-up call or warning to all. So everybody would on their own initiative or through their connection to dig out the truth. There are simply far too many valid reasons for every one of us to be panic and start crying and cursing. To some, this could be the only source of income. This is also acting as a pressure and fore warning to people with insincere hidden agenda that they should not play a fool to highjack this National Public Interest issue. If they do that then they have caused a National Public Wrath on themselves and stirred up the HORNET NEST.


Until and unless someone could come forward to prove otherwise with evidence or until the official release of the 1GP from the Cabinet, in my humble opinion, this DRAFT 1GP should still stand. Meanwhile all of us should continue to do our best individually or collectively to ensure that the true 1GP should not be this DRAFT 1GP while we still have little time left. Don’t forget if we are not careful and if it turns out not in the industry favour, every one of us here with no exemption, has not only a little, but simply too much to lose forever.

There is no need for postponement. Even it takes only two to attend is already good start and a historical move. In any meeting, very rarely can have 100% attendance with even attendance allowance paid. Can always fix again ad hoc new meeting the next or convenient day for new volunteers. Importance here is the sense of duty, commitment and dedication of individual. If calculative and selfish then can forget about it. Everybody can contribute in anyway and different way. However little it is, is still a positive contribution and help. Even by just agreeing to be a sleeping member is already good in the making up in the numbers which contribute to the strength of the organization. May be for those who are living too far away from Selangor or really could not participate actively and physically, but prepare to share a part to contribute, you can always do some sponsorship financially. If everybody prepares to contribute just 10 to 20 pieces of nests or any amount however little it is, I think this could be the strongest organization that is truly fending the rights of all in the industry with true representation in the future with no personal hidden agenda and without discrimination.

Unlike certain ‘Association Sdn Bhd’ misleadingly and unauthorized behind the back of the majority, claiming full representation of industry to the Govt, did negotiations on behalf of all without their knowledge in BLACK BOX with no transparency and accountability to not only the industry but also its own members. Till today at this crucial time, they still refuse to disclose the final draft even ignoring the repeated urgent reminders from its own members and affiliated associations under its umbrella. How could they not having the DRAFT by now that they claimed they are the party in the helping in the drafting? Looks very fishy and those shall be held fully responsible and liable for the adverse outcome and consequences. We shall be able to find out who they are.

Time to stop crying and cursing. Let’s convert all our angers, frustration, desperation and hatred into positive strength and action for self rescue. Start doing something useful to help yourself now. No more relying on the idiots or the dirty politicians for your future and lifelines. Join in or contribute in to the new task force. Yes, it looks like a late start, but it is better than never. At least it helps you to salvage from total loss or disaster later. At least, you can help yourself with a decent burial without exposing to the vultures.


So, PM to dunsunmybuntut or cergau now or anytime for whatever idea or way you have in mind to help in.


DL always said: UNITY IS STRENGTH

Aiiiiii………..Just like DL said it doesn’t give good feeling. If this is going to be really good news, these politicians would surely announce it loudly and early to claim credit. The longer the delay, the lesser chance for good news. Better be preparing for the worst. Why can’t they just classify it under COTTAGE INDUSTRY to simplify the whole matter? They said they are helping, but I see they are helping in the torturing and killing of this god sent golden goose slowly. How to compete with other countries??????? How to become really BOLEH????? Must go and buy more sleeping pills….

Open window BHs owners may argue that we will comply but then how many and for how long and what after the GP. Opposition Politicians gain on Public complaints. We, the BHs owners are not Tai Sai, others do have rights and we are infringing into their right to a peaceful and healthy life.

A few of the compromised solutions @ Seremban workshop are

1. That open windows are not allowed
2. Residence area are not allowed
It is not residential area not allowed. It is 100% residential house in modern Taman or Garden not allowed. Whereas shop-houses of commercial title found in these area are permitted. Many people including Govt officials always get confused or make serious mistake in this interpretation.

3. BHs may be neat and nice and need to repaint when required.
4. No outside modifications are allow.
5. External tweeters must face the sky and not toward other buildings.
6. Regular maintenance and upkeeping of the BHs.
7. many many others requirements.

I agree that OPEN WINDOW type in town constitutes almost 90 % of the complaints of noise pollution or nuisance received by the local govt. And I further agree that they together with any other type if found repeatedly committing noise pollution or nuisance, they should be penalised with summons with condition of either completely shut down their external sound permanently or alter their entrances and if still found committing nuisance after final warning that their operation as a bird’s house must be stop completely.
But I do not agree to put in law to one broad sweep indiscriminately to ban all window type. What about those in vicinity totally not causing noise pollution or nuisance? What about those built on agri-land and outskirts only causing nuisance to the monkeys? What about those operate in the abandoned projects or ghost towns where no resident lives?
There are already ample existing local by-laws with more than enough of teeth under the jurisdiction of the local govt that could be used to tackle these errant cases. Question here is whether the local govt enforcement is efficient, capable and effective to execute. If they are not competent to attend to complaints, who is to be blamed? Those not causing problem OPEN WINDOW type owners to be scapegoats? This reminds me of a certain unscrupulous high ranking idiot of alleging ALL CHINESE WOMEN ARE PROSTITUTES AND ALL INDIANS ARE BEGGERS recently.
This is also just like someone mentioned earlier 17,000 motor cyclists died on the road in Malaysia every year, the best solution shall be to ban all to ride on motor cycles. One Proton Saga was found sped through red light, all Proton Saga owners to be summoned?


To be fair to everyone, open window is a no no in town as I am a victim of the open window type. My house is behind a BH with the open window type and the music play for 24 hrs and my children can't sleep days and nights.
Because I am a BH owner myself, I complained it to the owner and it only went quite well for a week and then it happened again. I can't find myself to report to the authorities so I paid a contractor to seal my back windows facing the BH but then how many living behind opened window types are BH owners and willing to incure the cost of closing the window and the unhealthy windowless sleeping rooms. The main culprits of the industry is the sound disturbance and the open window is the worst kind.

Open window BHs owners may argue that we will comply but then how many and for how long and what after the GP. Opposition Politicians gain on Public complaints. We, the BHs owners are not Tai Sai, others do have rights and we are infringing into their right to a peaceful and healthy life.

To be honest, for the BHs @ town to stay, there is no way for open window type as these type will bring future problem for the industry for not only sound pollution, smell and dust pollution will follow.

I am talking as a neutral guy who suffer from the BH and also gain from the industry. Above are my own feelings and others may feel differently and may wish to speak up. No intention of offending anyone but being a honest man, I just speak from my heart and what I believe that it is the best in the interest of the majorities of BHs @ towns.


In my personal humble opinion, I think your using of a NEUTRAL GUY should be replaced with VICTIM and that you cannot be considered neutral as you are a VICTIM. My sympathy is with you and also I share your feeling as I faced similar experiences. Despite that I am also owner of BH, but I did caution a few BH owners for causing noise pollution in the neighbourhood and most gratefully accepted our highlighting with appreciation and corrected situations immediately and we became good friends. But a couple chose not to heed advice and continued with the blasting, not the non- BH owner residents but we, the BH owners jointly made serious complaints in writing to the Majlis and compelled the authority to take action against these two. End of the day, one rectified with no more noise pollution caused. The other was permanently shut off the operation as it was a rented premise. We are all BH owners and that we are most vulnerable if any one of us causes nuisance, every BH owner in the same vicinity would likely face indiscriminate finger pointing and may get into trouble not caused by us. Therefore it is our moral obligation to the neighbourhood to ensure to exert self control and regulating as not only we ourselves must not cause but also to ensure other BH owners not to cause nuisance. It is better for BH owners to warn and insist fellow errant owner to rectify situation than letting the local RESIDENT COMMITTEE to make noise which could be out of control and spill over to every innocent BH owner. This is one of the main reason why DL has repeatedly advised and encouraged localized BH association be formed in each and every town. It is not only to fend for owns rights from being abused by certain unscrupulous officials but also to do self control and regulating not only on its members but all BHs in the vicinity to minimize problems


High respect is given to WW that he chose not to exercise his legitimate rights to force the errant BH to stop the noise pollution but silently he swallowed it by footing for the cost to cover up the back window. WW is a really kind and considerate senior citizen for those who know him. But, a question raised here. Did the nuisance really stopped? What about your other immediate neighbours? Did they tolerate just like you? And did what you did? What are the objectives and functions of your local association? Do your committee live up to expectation? No offend, just curious. Ok?

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Mar 4 2010, 07:33 PM

WW, old buddy, long time no chat with you. You have posted some very interesting scenario and problems that worth some deliberations and discussions for the benefit of all here…… I think I would like to share some possible solutions from our past experience that has worked.

Just tell how to prevent the sound from coming out of a window type of entrance cos even the inside sound will be disturbing and annoying to others

If there are already thousands of birds living inside a successful BH, for the experienced, no longer external and internal sound is required to play further. The natural sound emitted by the live birds inside can never be that sharp, loud and noisy as the music blasted from the external tweeters. If genuine complaints of noise nuisance received regardless of which ever type of entrance, appropriate enforcement action should be taken by the local council according to the procedure under the Nuisance Act to tackle. .

If you are @ Seremban, you will understand that the Local Authorities groups is 100% against the BH @ towns and no way that the open window can solve the problem of sound even if you are not playing birds music for if your BH has thousands of birds, habis lah for those who are staying behind your BH.

Same reply as above.


1.If you have been into successful BH having thousands of birds, you will understand how noisy it is.........

Yes, agree, noisy and pleasing INSIDE the BH if without music from the external tweeters.


2. We well know for the facts that the birds do shit at entrance and open window will cause shit to fall on the floor below and some poor guy's heads.

How sure are you that this does not happen to those open roof and dog kennel type?

3. Wind will cause the smell and the dirt to scatter around the area and no way you can prevent it from happening.


Don’t see or have these problems with rows of 3 & 4 storey very successful BHs of few thousands nests each with more than 6 to 10 years in operation in a very busy business centre. Ground floors are all occupied with Nasi Kandar, 24hr coffee shop, clinic, stationary shop etc…..Less than 100 meters right behind is a residential garden.


4. If you have been running a local swiftlets Association, you will understand how difficult to solve complaints with sound pollution from open window type..........

Once, I told the Local Authorities to let us to self manage BHs in the town and in less than a year, I gave up trying......and quit!!!! Majlis receive hundreds of complaints and one even told me that the YTP assured him that the whole town wil be rid of BHs if he has the say and that's very soon..........


The committee are not firmed enough nor dared enough to tell the stubborn errant culprits off. Moreover, the committee does not have the law enforcing power. What they can do if really live up to expectation, they should complain directly to the council and let the council to tackle under Nuisance Act. Question here is whether the committee has the GUTS?

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Added on March 5, 2010, 12:31 amNever too late to reveal and take off the mask of hypocrite and incapable committee as more and more newbies are pouring into this industry. It is good for them to learn the painful experience and mistakes of the pioneers so they would not repeat. I think it is time that the younger generation of higher calibre and educated volunteers with the right mindset should come forward to take over the baton as soon as possible..

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Mar 5 2010, 12:31 AM