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Bobby C
post Aug 21 2009, 07:02 PM

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Good job Perhilitan, broke into Mukah bhs, killing chicks and now issue wildlife permit.

This department is turning the country upside down!



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Why a convicted smuggler gets wildlife permits?
Hazlan Zakaria
Aug 21, 09
6:13pm

A group of animal rights activists, NGOs and Pakatan MPs today lodged a police report against Perhilitan over the issuance of permits to convicted wildlife smuggler Anson Wong.

The report was lodged at around 10.30am at the Brickfields district police headquarters.

Lawyer N Surendren made the report in his capacity as president of the Malaysian Animal Rights Society (Roar) and on behalf of Petpositive, Malaysian Animal Welfare Society (Maw), Teluk Intan MP M Manogaran and Kapar MP S Manikavasagam.


According to the Roar president, Wong - dubbed 'Pablo Escobar' of the illegal international wildlife trade - is allegedly still being issued permits and given assistance by Perhilitan despite his conviction and subsequent incarceration in Mexico and the United States for wildlife smuggling.

Wong was indicted in 2001 based on evidence from a three-year joint 'sting' operation conducted by the governments of Mexico and United States in conjunction with Interpol for the illegal transport of endangered animal species to Mexico and the United States.

"I have seen the permits," Surendren said, adding that it is puzzling why someone convicted with wildlife smuggling would still be issued permits to transport, keep or hunt wildlife.

"He is stripping our forest of wildlife, naked... we might as well appoint a serial rapist for a teacher in a girl's school," he remarked.

More so, Surendren expressed the shared disappointment of his fellow animal rights activist with Perhilitan's failure to do its job in protecting our wildlife.

"We no longer have faith in Perhilitan to protect our wildlife. We believe this is because of corruption in the enforcement body," he added.

"Today it stops, we know who you are, we are coming for you," warns Surendren to wildlife smugglers and the allegedly corrupt Perhilitan officers alike.

Because of their lack of faith in Perhilitan, Surendren now puts his faith in the police to enforce the law of the land and protect the animals.

Last Friday, another report was filed by Surendren and another with the Malaysian Anti-Coruption Commission over the alleged corruption of Perhilitan officers.

On Monday, Deputy director-general I Misliah Mohamad Basir denied the allegations in a statement to media stating that "as far as Malaysia is concerned, he abides by local laws and has the necessary licences. What he does outside the country is not our concern."

Famous for the wrong reason

Teluk Intan MP Manogaran who was also present, added that this is another case where "Malaysia is famous for the wrong reason." He lamented that not only are we known as the hub for the trafficking of drugs and people, we are also now apparently the hub for the illegal wildlife trade.

"We will be taking this matter up in parliament," said Kapar MP Manikasavagam, reiterating the seriousness of the issue.

Manikasavagam was there in support of the animal rights activists, as well as, to lodge another police report pertaining to the 'mystery letter' which came up during the Teoh Beng Hock inquest.


Also present was Francis Siva from the Independent Living & Training Centre and Petpositive president Anthony Thanasayan (right).

Both organisations advocates the use of animals and visits to wildlife for disability rehabilitation.

They are here to show their support for the rights of the animals which according to them play a huge part in helping the disabled.


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post Aug 28 2009, 09:39 AM

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Bit of history on Salawak state if you wonder why swiftlet farming facing so much 'resistance'. Question: is it resistance or some unseen hand trying to monopoly. Bare in mind not just swiftlet lah, many other industries, business, private lands, bumis etc also facing similar predicament.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beritamalaysia/message/109937

Memang lawak lah.

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post Sep 2 2009, 01:54 PM

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How efficient and hardworking is Perhilitan? From jungle to town centres now klia tower control also under its jurisdiction.

Hey, our wildlife got raped by poachers, what are you going to do about is. Oh, too busy collecting EBN in towns and airports kah, not enough hands kah?

My ass.

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Tat the case they have to remove and flatten all the palm oil plantations surrounding KLIA cause palm oil plantations breed insects with or w/o bhs ---> attract wild swiftlets ---> attract predators ----> potential to bring down A380 or B-747.

Boy oh boy, Sepang Council also steps into KLIA jurisdiction without latter involvement. Eager to hear what KLIA control tower going to say about all this nonsense.

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Thanks for the link bang. rclxms.gif

If we can strike off public concern on bird flu, esp with the endorsement from DWNP in putrajaya, half battle on the public complaint is settled as that's one of the very few major complaints.

Another major public complaint will be NOISE.

That's one depend on readers here and farmers all over the country cum association cum town councils to co-operate and take it SERIOUSLY, settle it ONCE AND FOR ALL.

That MAJOR NOISE complaint can be easily settle. But then human problem is the worst problems. Technical problem can be settle, money problem can be settle, land problem can be settle, hygene problem can be settle, ugly-looking-to-the-eye problem can be settle, noise problem can be settle, blah blah. But, but human problem .... long way to go man. rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(tan2020 @ Sep 15 2009, 09:59 PM)
Hi All,

Someone send me the following photos to analyse ....  very interesting ! 

user posted image

Did you notice the different of the 2 photos? It is a copy & paste work ! Who copy who??? or same guy work?

Pay attention of the extra potion of the 2 photos, now ask yourself "Who own the original photo?"  doh.gif .. very interesting !
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Justin,

Notice the same too.

Not to take it too seriously lah when newbies reading blogs. Just treat tok kok like wind blowing, come and gone. This industry is like a slaughter house, 50 cents stuff can cost $500 if you are not careful. Do read and equipment yourself with at least some general knowledge, good enough to differentiate between facts and hearsay. For your own good. Else you will come back here as start asking why I kena slaughter, blah blah. Info is FOC and what more to complaint?

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[quote=tangsn,Sep 17 2009, 11:41 AM]
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“如果在檢查時,有關燕屋被發現有喇叭但沒有燕子,沒有問題。

如果發現沒有喇叭但有燕子,就有問題。”

政府建議集中養燕的地點,是在填海區、烏絨巴西、野新的萬里茂海邊。

另一個受到考慮的地點是瓜拉雙溪峇汝。
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Which ever officers mentioned the statement above (bh got external tweeter but no birds no problem, bh with no external tweeter but got birds in trouble) think the brain seriously kuku.

So you are saying its ok if u want to blast our tweeter and wake up the neighbours, no bird in the house no problem?

Wat if the birds fly into your house naturally and stay there. You never install any tweeter or player but you be in trouble, they will saman you? Why dont the saman the birds then.

How can they say your house window must be opened all the time, failure which they will saman you.

My ass, that's my house. We want to open or close the window also upto town councils to say? When you shit inside your house, you keep you toilet door open or close also up to town council to say?@!

Guess only one place that suits these officers. Tman Bahagia - happy garden for the rest of your life.

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post Sep 18 2009, 06:21 PM

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Selamat Beraya, Happy Raya, Happy holiday kawan-kawan.

Speedy recovery Uncle WW.

Good health, plenty to birds, less complaints/harrassment to all!

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post Sep 25 2009, 01:42 PM

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Swiftlet farming in residential apartment?

Big no no unless u r up for trouble.

FYI, there was a unit near Taiping got destroyed by the authority just last yr after much complaints and highlighted in the newspaper.

Amount of investment might be small cp to shoplots but legally already wrong very clear stated in the guidelines.

But again, if insist to go ahead do us a favour. Dont call it swiftlet. Call it
other name. Dont drag down the name of this industry, already got enough bullets for the authority to kill all because of few bad hats.

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Thks Dusun bang for the feedback on PERHILITAN.

Only 3 words to summarised:- Mega Red Tapes


3 major enemies of Swiftlet ie Perhititan, Inconsiderate Swiftlet Owners and Predators (aka owls, eagles, tikus).

Sensing another major enemy of SF on the rise ie MSM. Sickening to read the BS painted by the 1/2 brain reporters.

No wonder so many successful bhs on sales below market value now, guess some can sense tsunami coming while new birdies still loooking for new shops to buy.

Best is not to get politikus to be involved. But no way in this country not to get politikus to involve. When politikus involve, no logic, facts, biological findings etc requires to support u. Only $ and connection. rclxub.gif


Agree we need 2 party system to have check and balance. The presence ruling party no doubt very efficient and quick to arrest their problems, over night image transformation and at the same time tarnish and sabotage image of the other side. Money can buy another nowadays, see who got the most money.

Long way to go man; unfortunately for some, fortunately for others. Just depend on which side you stand.

Talk to aunties, uncles, man on the streets to corporate level, all asking why PR in fight here and there huh?! Oh well, nobody bother to see beyond what happen behind the scene. Money, money, money ... who got money ... drool.gif flex.gif

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Tat why as stated earlier, Perhilitan is and is the BIGGEST CULPRIT aka MEGA RED TAPE of swiftlet industry.

If the gomen sincerely wants to help the country economy and increase GDP growth of 6% per annum, first thing they need to fix is to get rid of these red tapes 'infested' departments. The rest shall slowly fall in place, by Allah's grace.

And we shall achieve Vision 2020 sweat.gif.

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It is very clear that the above so call 'ruling' (wonder whether approved by the cabinet or above their jurisdiction) by Perhilitan is meant to stop small traders, tourists, small breeders from exporting ebn.

If you want to export ebn, do it big, do it in multi-millions per shipment term. Only few with special connection or their ma-cai (we-know-who-else) can get accessed to.

Small traders / breeders, go go go, look for these few special individuals.

The above ring any bell?

Sounds familiar with many other industries / business.

You want to follow legal procedures, proper channel, they tell u go dig ur own grave.

The so call 'law' basically use against those who follow book. They (who else) prefers u to break the unwritten 'law' so they can cari makan mah opss wrong term, cari kekayaan mah.

Everything also ok one, just gip mee mine mummy!

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Government targeted to achieve 100,000 bhs in 5 yrs time to make the country one of the top producers and to push up country GDP to achieve Vision 2020.

So, go and demolish all town bhs and rebuild new bhs in farmlands and ecopark.

Average cost for new bhs in farm land and ecopark say around $500,000.

Expected additional investment cost to the country will be 100,000 x $500,000 = $50,000,000.00 ie $50 BILLION RINGGIT excluding loss in opportunity cost from existing bhs, bankrupcy loss, mushroom in stranded assets (ie abandoned projects) in the nation.

So end of the day their silly action will be like boomerang hit back to the country with HUNDREDs of BILLION RINGGITS debts.

So in the end, ViSion 2o2o will become wet dream of an old man aft all... laugh.gif

Dont play play with fire like wat the old man did in 1998.

Foreign investors have since blacklisted the nation.

As a result, until today we have not recovered.

And nobody in the country seems to aware why factories moving away, klci lembek with oni local players.....

Salam ...

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Dec 13 2009, 12:35 PM)
In my reading of the Act (which applies to Peninsular only), they have acted within the law. They can do so even without a warrant. (Just a layman's interpretation of the Act).
As to wheter they can kill ? (this debatable...see extracts below, especially sec 2 of clause 92). Maybe in the Mukah episode they have 'caused to kill' not 'kill'. Again just my 2sen as I can't debate this as I am not a lawyer.

"Search without warrant
7. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in section 6 a Director for Wild Life and National Parks, a Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or an Assistant Director for Wild Life and National Parks may without a search warrant stop and search any vehicle or enter and search any dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building where—
(a) acting under a warrant of arrest or exercising his powers to arrest without a warrant of arrest under this Act, he
has reason to suspect that the person to be arrested is in the vehicle or dwelling house, shop, business premises
or other building;
(b) the Director for Wild Life and National Parks, Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or Assistant
Director for Wild Life and National Parks finds any person committing or attempting to commit an offence or
suspected of having committed an offence under this Act and follows or pursues that person to the vehicle
or dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building; or
© the Director for Wild Life and National Parks, Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or Assistant
Director for Wild Life and National Parks is satisfied on written information received that an offence under this
Act is being committed in the vehicle or dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building or land,
and may seize any wild animal or wild bird or part thereof or any book or record required to be kept under this Act, trophy, poison or net capable of being used to take any wild animal or wild bird or other article which was the subject matter of or was used or suspected to be used in the commission of any offence under this Act. "


"Wild life officers may shoot, etc., any wild animals or wild birds even if totally protected
53. Any officer acting bona fide in the exercise of his powers may shoot, kill or take any wild animal or wild bird if—
(a) the wild animal or wild bird is a danger to human life or property;
(b) it is necessary or expedient to prevent undue suffering on the part of the wild animal or wild bird; or
© he is accompanying the holder of a special permit issued under section 51.

Cruelty to wild life
92. (1) Save as otherwise provided in this section every person who—
(a) beats, kicks, infuriates, terrifies or tortures any wild animal or wild bird;
(b) neglects to supply sufficient food or water to any wild animal or wild bird which he houses, confines or
breeds;
© houses, confines or breeds any wild animal or wild bird in such a manner so as to cause it unnecessary pain or
suffering including the housing, confining or breeding of any wild animal or wild bird in any cage, enclosure
or hut which is not suitable for or conducive to the comfort or health of the wild animal or wild bird;
(d) uses any wild animal for performing or assisting in the performance of any work or labour which by reason of
any infirmity, wound, disease or any other incapacity it is unfit to perform;
(e) uses, incites, provokes or infuriates any wild animal or wild bird for the purpose of baiting it or for fighting
with any other wild animal or wild bird or manages any premises or place for any of these purposes;
(f ) wilfully does or wilfully omits to do anything which in any way causes any unnecessary suffering, pain or
discomfort to any wild animal or wild bird, is guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine
not exceeding five thousand ringgit or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding three years or to both.
(2) This section shall not apply to any person who wounds any wild animal or wild bird in the course of lawfully shooting, killing or taking it under and subject to this Act. "

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The Act is meant for those who keep endanger wild animal aka wild tigers, elephants, tapirs etc in your shophouses thereby Perhilitan will have the power to act according to the Act to protect the wild animals.

'Farmers' are actually helping Perhilitan to increase population of swiftlets in the nation so now swiftlet population has grown beyond and no longer considered endanger species.

Why Perhilitan going all the way to the airport to harrass tourists? Elephants, tigers, tapirs being slaughtered everyday in our jungles so what Perhilitan going to do about it? rclxub.gif

The following Act mentioned:-

[i]"Wild life officers may shoot, etc., any wild animals or wild birds even if totally protected
53. Any officer acting bona fide in the exercise of his powers may shoot, kill or take any wild animal or wild bird if—
(a) the wild animal or wild bird is a danger to human life or property;
(b) it is necessary or expedient to prevent undue suffering on the part of the wild animal or wild bird; or
© he is accompanying the holder of a special permit issued under section 51.

So those dead swiftlets in Mukah endanger the life of Perhilitan officers as a result Perhilitan officers broke in and took away the birdnests?

So after taking away the nests Perhilitan officers follow the Act by killing the chicks to comply with Clause 53.(b) to reduce pain and suffering of the chicks.

hahahaha ... tats how things work in Perhilitan. What more do we need to add? notworthy.gif

BERSIH, CAKAP DAN AMANAH..... doh.gif

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Dear Dusun,

Thank you for your effort. Guess no point to talk to these hard-headed-self-serving government servant. They are not public servant nor civil servants but government servant in the old age mindset still thinking they own the country. Public servants and civil servants serving the public, listen to the public and put the rakyat and nation first. These jokers,,, put their pocket first lah. Nation 1st, huh, cakap-cakap je lah. Hangat-hangat tahi ayam.

All those who have put their tears, sweat, blood, retirement funds, education funds, piggy bank fund, mother-father funds into this industry, be prepared to go head on with the bulldozer aka Perhilitan. Bring to courts, court injunction to stop the robbers, sue Perhilitan whatsoever to pin down the scumbeg. At the moment, we are just remained silence and watching they every move. And we are the silent majority. Do remember.

Heart quite good reports about Dr. Fadzilah being an understanding and reasonable person. She has been into this industry for some time. Understand she knows the plight of breeders/councils. She also takes time to understand the plight of the swiftlet as a vet point of view. People like Dr Fadzilah should be transfered to PM Dept to give immediate advise to the big boss, forgetting the tom d*** and harry, unless they have some substance, no conflict of interest nor personal shares in the industry. If you got any link with any ecopark developers, Big Boss in PM dept should kick him/her out first.

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Dec 17 2009, 06:53 PM)
Bobby C,
Care to share where u got those figures from?
I may have missed some articles.
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100,000 bhs by 2020 not 5 yrs time. Sorry me bad.

Taken from The Star

Published: Friday December 11, 2009 MYT 12:35:00 PM
Updated: Friday December 11, 2009 MYT 12:39:28 PM
Swiftlet industry in Sarawak ruffles feathers


KUALA LUMPUR: The edible swiftlet nest industry in this country is a highly lucrative one with the annual turnover reaching RM1bil.

However, a critical issue pertaining to the licensing of the swiftlet farms within buildings located in towns may retard the industry if no solution is found.

Local authorities are against the idea of having swiftlet farms in towns as they can cause nuisance to the public and pollute the environment.

But places like Sarawak, though the swiftlet farms are forbidden in towns, still has to find a solution for more than 1,500 illegal swiftlet farms. Any attempt to eradicate the illegal swiftlet farms will bring negative impact to the industry.

So what is the best option in solving this problem to ensure that the effort to boost the industry is not derailed? The licensing issue cropped up in October last year after the authorities conducted an exercise to clear up illegal swiftlet farms in Mukah town.

The move by the authorities has put many swiftlet farm owners in a quandary and raised many questions on the way the exercise was carried out.

During the exercise the swiftlet chicks protected under the Wildlife Act 1972 were left to die in the nests that were confiscated by the authorities. Those annoyed with the move even posted the video on the chicks' fate on the popular video sharing website Youtube.

The action taken by the local authorities has certainly ruffled some feathers, especially the swiftlet farmers.

Thus the Swiftlet Merchant Association in Mukah requested Chief Minister Tan Sri Abdul Taib Mahmud to help find a solution. The same request from the counterparts in Sibu and Sarikei followed suit.

The bottom line is that the farm owners wanted to continue operations in the existing premises with most of them being shoptlots.

But the local authorities are steadfast with their stand. Despite the edible swiftlet nest's huge commercial potential, Sarawak's 1998 Wildlife Protection Ordinance prohibits the species from being bred in other than its natural habitat like the caves and this has made things difficult for the industry.

The director of Sarawak's Forestry Department who is also the Wildlife Controller for Sarawak Datuk Len Talif Salleh stressed that the state government wanted the industry to be developed in a controlled manner in accordance with the existing laws.

Len Talif pointed out about 100 licenses have been approved from the 600 to 700 applications received since May.

"Most of the licenses approved are for the "oldplayers" who conform to the prerequisites.

"The rest were rejected as their proposed swiftlet farms are in towns," he said adding that enforcement measures would be taken against illegal swiftlet farms.

The licenses were issued for swiftlet farming in Mukah, Bintulu, Kuching, Kota Samarahan and Sarikei with all of the swiftlet farms in agricultural areas. Nonetheless, the industry views the issuance of the licence as a positive development when in May, only two of the more than 1,500 swiftlet farms in the state were licensed.

Swiftlet farming also needs approval from agencies like the Land and Survey Department, the Natural Resources and Environment Board (NREB) and the local authorities.

And the good news is that the state government is to build three swiftlet ecoparks in Mukah, Sarikei and Bintulu respectively with lots to be sold and rented out to those who are keen.

However, many are sceptical that the bird will nest at the ecopark and feared the bureaucratic hassle.

Thus this scepticism has prompted a big number of swiftlet farm owners to seek exemptions and continue with their activities in the existing premises in towns.

The swiftlet nest entrepreneurs also hope to adopt guidelines like the Good Animal Husbandry Practices (GAHP) for the swiftlets, so that they will be allowed to ply their trade within towns as done by their counterparts in Peninsula.

"We will follow this guideline," noted the protem chairman for the Sarikei Swiftlet Nest Merchants' Association Wong Hua Ting, which is in opposition to the state government's stand that the swiflet farming should only be carried out at agricultural areas or the proposed ecopark.

Swiftlet farming in populated areas could create pandemonium among the public especially when there are diseases involving this species of bird.

The Veterinary Services Department (VSD) has conducted more than 5,000 tests on the birds and have confirmed that the swiflet are free from bird flu and Newcastle disease.

The department is also preparing the guidelines on swiftlet farming and the draft proposals will be forwarded to the Steering Committee for the National Swiftlet Industry on Dec 14. The guideline known as "1GP" makes it compulsory for swiftlet breeding premises to be registered with department.

However, before the guideline could be adopted by the local authorities, it would be brought to the attention of the National Council on Local Government chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin, which is expected to meet March next year.

"The guideline will set the standard for all local governments. It will help traders and swiftlet farm owners to venture into this field in a more organised manner," said the chairman of the Federation of Swiftlet Nest Merchants' Associations Datuk Beh Heng Seong.

Regarding the guideline, Len Talif noted that the Sarawak state government is ready to adopt it as long as it does not contradict with the state ordinance which would be continuously enforced.

He also gave assurance that in future the nests would not be confiscated and instead a compound will be issued and only the equipment used will be confiscated.

This development is seen as a positive indication pertaining to enforcement but this does not mean it has opened the doors for all to start swiftlet farms without authorisation.

The government wants to see 100,000 swiftlet farms producing 500 tonnes of the bird's nest annually worth RM5 billion by 2020.
The swiftlet nest from this country is of high quality and is highly sought after in China and Arab with the prices fetching up to RM10,000 per kilogram. Thus the solution for this licensing issue is highly pertinent and all parties involved should work hand in hand to ensure that the edible bird nest industry remains vibrant and the nation stands at par with Indonesia and Thailand, the leading producers. - Bernama


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Seems like becoming a norm in doing business in this country.

You want to follow proper procedures, legal ways and proper channel, the system will lead you to commit your own suicide.

The system prefer you to belakang mari, get sodomised, baru boleh makan mah?

Swiftlet industry illegals? Listen to Ong Ka Ting bro Ong Ka Chuan said just less than 2 yrs ago when he was a Housing Minister ... 'swiflet farming is allowed at commercial shoplots' Illegal are those in residence housing. GAHP guidelines also stated the same.

Now they say 90% of bhs are 'illegal' with no license?!

Who dares to apply license any more as they basically tell you to walk to the chamber and hang yourself?

No wonder many migrate, selling shares, transfer funds overseas include one of the richest tychoon or tyfoon Robert Kuok, selling all this shares and say bye-bye good luck to his mother land ...

They say never mind, foreigners come come cheap sales come invest and buy up the nation. Unknowingly selling away own mother land unfortunately.

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Jan 13 2010, 12:34 PM)
The above link is about Malay Reserve. There was this drive to allow leasing last year, but i don't think it'll materialize any time soon. Even if you did make a c/o or vehicle for ownership of the structure... the issue still lies on the land status... my advice since, so far theres no way you can secure your interest legally with regards to Malay reserve... get another location, not Malay reserve.

Unless you are willing to gamble your interests in your trust of your friend... and even at that... as pointed by coolandy, once he's gone? About Faraid (pembahagian harta Islam), like it or not it'll still refer to some conventional legalities. Black and white it'll still be against you since it any agreement wont stand up in court.
chiongguo,

Dusun has been very kind to share some fair views on this matter. Do read and re-read again.

Heard some news of bh in east coast kena taken away by the land owners after successful. May be our Kelatan bros can verify whether true or lies.

Basic on my little understanding on the very basic principle of law, if a person standing at the wrong side in the eyes of law, no way he can sue the owner. Eg. a thief (or may be some Perh**** guys) broke into ur shop, fell and broke his leg, no way he can sue the house owner, simple as that. wink.gif

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This short story is for the ecopark developers:-

Over the CNY, we went to one fancy sales office just to check out the price of new shoplots. Wow, never in our mind that new shoplots in this small town has 'risen' or more likely artificially inflated so high. Even secondary market only half their price. Probably they are targeting people from outstation. No town folks in their wildest wet dream going to fork out this amount for a new shoplots. Rental ROI cannot justify unless your calculator faulty. Or unless some crazy bird farmers like many in lowyatt ... LOL.

As we listened attentively to what the marketing guy, found out that they also owned the new 3-star hotel in the development. Oh, their hotel has made a complaint to the town council because of 'hygiene' problem. Some customers who are crazy enough to buy a few shoplots from them have converted the upper floor to become BHs. And their shoplots located many shops away from the hotel separated with a road some more. What more to complain as a developer?!

Ok, just listen to what more the developer going to say. Oh, you are planning to build 40 units of 3-4 stories BHs near the outskirt not far from here. Oh, oh, anti BHs in one hand, pro Bhs in another. Oh boy, in sane or what?!

As the town develops and expands, 5-10 yrs down the road those Bhs at the so call outskirt of the town going to locate next to the town again. So what are they going abt it then?! Go draft another new GP1 to relocate again? Go convert Bhs to resident flats?

Ok, good on you eco developers. With developers like this, who needs more enemies? [tongue.gif]

Bobby C
post Mar 10 2010, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Mar 9 2010, 09:28 PM)
Where is the location? What is the company's name? How much is the price for the new shop?
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You know the isa detention centre? Not far from there. Very prominent only one new hotel built on army land. New phase cost double (>700k-800k 3sty) compares to older ones (better location further down along Fajar-Tesco). Anyway, not to mention name for their free advert. Can pm you if you need more details.


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