The MB is building a new township @ Kijal near my town and I was at the trees planting ceremony held at Kijal.........and according to the MB, it's going to be very big with all modern facilities and even a specialist center, bowling and shopping complex.........anyone here may want to invest.

I have told a MB's closed Associate to inform MB of my suggestion that why not move all other buzs from Cukai to the new township so that his dream new township can be accomplished in the shortest time and leave Cukai to the birds. It's going to be win win situation as he wants the new township to be successful and we want our BHs @ town to stay put as the area is a core for the swiftlets.

Presently about 20% of the town shop lots are already BHs, make it a 100% and we have ready buyers for these shoplots for the birds. Then, we also have a new Swiftlets' Town, 100% swifltets.

Just a thought, maybe day dreaming, maybe MB can agree. Ishaallah, who know...hahaha

I can't find the blog "No Swiftlet Houses in Georgetown - Right or Wrong" as mentioned but do find the below blog and I passed comments and advices on it and doesn't know if he is going to publish it or not. Even if he didn't publish it but surely he must have read it and revert back to me as I even provide him with all my particulars like name and email if he want to know the truth about the industry and not trying to spread lies unless he, too has hidden agenda.

http://noswiftlethousesingeorgetown.blogsp...03/contact.html

That's why I prefer to get the issue in the open instead of leaving them to the wolfs..........feeding the raayat with lies and scaring the public that with the swifltets @ town, all raayat @ town going to die from H1N1, diseases and everything from monthly period to cancer are cause by the swifttes and no one have ever complaint about the pigeons and night spots that created problems to the raayat and it seem that all because we are gentlemen, nice and kind. If we wear tattoo and walk like Godfather, no one will say a word about us. Make Swiftlets Sanctuaries as part of our Heritage and we will charge tourists for visiting BHs and buying birdnests on the way out to take back home as health food at factory(BH) outlet price, right?

Public awarness and understanding of swiftlets are very importance and that as investors and providers of BHs esp.in town, we need to help to educate the general public on the right and correct information so that when serious standoff present, they either support us or at least stand on the side line.

So, readers and supporters of the industry, if you love the birds, and more, if you own a BH, it is your obligation to educate fellow Malaysian on the advantage of the industry and that the BHs aren't going to bring any harm to them. Otherwise, millions of swiftlets will die, many years of hard work destroyed, billions ringgit losed, economy gone and the list may go on and on if the government destroy all BHs @ town.

"We move but the swifltets never" and how, why and who is the liar and Pighead who preached that we can move the swiftlets to another location.

I will always encourage newbiz to build BH in good area and best in core area cos the Core will ensure maximun and fastest success of BHs and that's the truth. This is not from any swiftlets' text book but from years of understanding swiflets behavior and studying of failed BHs.

Building one in your agriculture land is because it's cheap and it create less attention to your BH but you have so much difficulties in managing your BH esp. securities and predators problems if you happened to be lucky to get sufficient birds to stay.

I have friends BHs @ agriculture land broken in even there is no nest inside .......... cos your sound system, equipments and your metal doors can fetch good money, too. ECO park is worst cos they normally need very large cheap land to make huge profit so your chance of getting birds is as good as 4D strike.........100 BHs and only best 5% success rate, 10% little and do you think you are so lucky to be the 5% group? Most of them even charge you for maintenance.........what's about insurance if not successful? In Genting Casino, at least if you buy insurance, you be paid double.

"If you move a hotel, you will lose up to 80 per cent of your birds.”

…. I do prefer it to be refer to as swiftlets sanctuaries or just Bird House and not hotel………..as we didn’t provide any services to the swiftlets
And most importance of all, if we move, we are as good as closed shop and finished.

How do we get just one swiftlet to follow us to the agriculture land.......pls advice me.........as I am blurred and confused by the statement of losing 80% of my birds if I move......all the birds, I assured you, my friends...........

With exception of the one in my pant; last sentence is a just for laugh and no offend pls.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 7 2010, 08:45 PM

NOTICE
There shall be a election of BOD of the federation of Swiftlets Association in KL as I have heard this coming 30/04/2010 @ 2.30pm and every member Association may bring 3 persons to attend the AGM and if your Association is a member of the Federation, you may want to be included in the voting of the new BOD ............if you really care for the future of your investment and wish to give your views and exercise your rights.

Now is the time!!!!! 1Swiftlet!!!!!!!

I would suggest a refrain from converting the ground floor to BH activities as you may face a backlash from the Local Authorities. I am not going to discuss the problems cause by the ground floor's conversion but all BH owners know it and if we stll persist an insist in doing so, GOD really need to help us this time if the Local Authorities take action.

I have more to gain by converting of ground floor to BH activities but I rather wait and see. We want a solution so that we can remain @ town and we are still not there. Wait for the GP, and then if it allow us to do so, then we are in safe hand otherwise, your BHs may be demolished before the GP become enforce...........be safe, stay safe or at least stay put until the Storm is over for sure.

Beware what lie ahead if you proceed, my friends................my true and sincere advice.

You may want to post the above @ PM Blog and all the ministers as well as all VVIPs ( Pro and Opposition) but then, as I see it, when come to Sarawak and Sabah, our PM or his key men aren't going to interfere for fear of offending them..........The BN need these two states support badly and can't afford to offend them. That's Politics and where is the affected State Swiftlets Associations and what's the Federal Swiftlets Association going to do or support ??????

As for your Target, I think we may have achieve it already as many do it secretly for fear of action from the Local Authorities. You also missed out the down stream maintenance and support groups which may also run into million raayat.

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Added on April 11, 2010, 10:25 amA friend of mine told me that he is going to sell his BHs but the prices aren't cheap and his reasons for selling as follow.
1. Due to the uncertainty on the new GP and how it is going to affect him.
2. He travel regularly to Medan and found that the sky isn't black as before.

My opinions are that the first reason is logical because we realy don't know lie ahead and infact we even can't tell what is behind the door when we open it in the morning. Will the sky still be blue or will the sun still shine????
Should the Government give moral support to the industry, I believe that we will expand so fast and so successful that we can be 1Boleh, 1Birdnest and No.1 in the industry.

The second reason is wrong as what he saw in Medan is the same as what we saw in the cave @ Sarawak many years ago when the sky were filled with swiftlets rushing into the cave to roast .........overharvesting thus causing the decline in the population of the birds. Here, some complaint of lesser birds but as for mine and my friends, we are experiencing hugh increment of birds and maybe the birds are getting smarter and they sense who really care and love them and so they migrate to our sanctuaries i.e birdhouses. Or is it really God at work, helping the kind and sincere and neglecting the unjust and unfaithful ones. Omitofo

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 11 2010, 10:27 AM

Everytime, someone fall sick due to dengue or malaria........it's the BHs and that's why I always encourage fellow BH owners to educate neighbours of the facts that mosquitoes and flies are food for the swiftlets and infact, they help to prevent the spread of illness cause by pests.
Breeding grounds for mosquitoes and flies are feeding ground during fledgling of these deadly pests.

If your neighbours understand the facts about the swiftlets, they will be the protectors for the swiftlets, too and the raayat will encourage BHs near their houses. "Ada Walet, Tiada Dengue" is the new slogan for us and the government save money and using swiftlets to control these deadly diseases is environmental friendly cos chemical spraying or fogging not ony cause harm to predators of pests like frogs and lizards but also human being in the long run. Sooner or later, human didn't die or Dengue but from these chemical inhaling causing lung or maybe cancer. Beware!!!!!!! Just leave your mosquitoes problem to the swiftlets cos they are mosquitoes exterminators!!!!!!!!

So, all together. " ADA WALET, TIADA DENGUE"

If you are taking about the Federal Association, I will try to let you know the details by tomorrow when I get hold of a copy of the AGM notice. As I know, the meeting is held at Sunway, KL on 30/04/2010 at 2.30pm. I may try to be a voting member attending the AGM.

If anyone going, be seeing you there..............

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Added on April 13, 2010, 7:16 pmYou are right and since my local Association is a member Associations, I may join in. If your local Association is a member, you may be a voting delegate without being a member if your Association allow you to represent them as there is no clause to prevent you representing a member Association.






This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 13 2010, 07:16 PM

Be considerate and peaceful cos the whole industry future @ towns all depend on how the present BH owners preform esp. the new comers trying hard to get birds by increasing the sound, day and night recommended by their CON-sultants and if we aren't doing all the right things; habis semua, all because some bad APPLES, semua kena buang pulau.............. and if we compromised and take swift action against the bad ones ourself, we may survive this bad weather. We don't want the Authorities to throw at us a big pile of complaints caused by BAD APPLES.

We need to learn from the swiftlet as they are peace loving creatures and if they should perish, it's all because of our selfishness i.e those FOOLs.

Tolong tolong jaga rumah burung anda supaya semua boleh dapat hidup bersama secara Aman dan Makmur. Jangan buat bising bising dan kacau keamanan.

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Added on April 15, 2010, 8:26 pm
http://noswiftlethousesingeorgetown.blogsp...03/contact.html

I am glad that he choose to publish my comments and better if he listen to what I posted and email me on the subject" swiftlets'. By the time that I am finished with him, he shall be my good friend and also that of the swiftlets.

Ishaallah

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 15 2010, 08:26 PM

Dear GeorgeTown,

Thank you and thank you as we now know that you have been following us and whatever you don't understand and wish to know the truth, the real truth about swiftlets, you can always welcome to email me or PM me. I will reply you at the earliest possible shortest time as I am with the swiftlets and may not share the same views as all BH owners.

Best of all, we, you and us shall do everything openly as both of us have nothing hidden agenda or reason behind us, do you? If you really understand the swiftlets and wish to preserve the lovely birds, we hope that you and your friends should sit down and talk with the owners of the heritage buildings at Penang or anywhere on how best to preserve the heritage of the old buildings and also to preserve the precious swiftlets.

If we look at history, these swiftlets are already with us in town long before you or I were born and they were staying in wooden shoplots and right under the sleeping rooms of the tenants and till today, the families in these shop house suffer no illness due to the swiftlets............and if you come to my town, I can introduce to you some families that live under the swiftlets and they are the living proof that the swiftlets are harmless..............unless we try to domesticate the swiftlets and hand feeding with artificial food which the ECO guys now try to do at large cheap land away from towns.

Without the income from the swiftlets nests, there will be no reason for these heritage building owners from demolishing the old buildings to make way for new buildings. Old buildings just suit the swiftlets well and the swiftlets tend to go for these old buildings...and these birds flourish in old buildings. Check out with the old buildings owners, some will tell you and show you proof that the swiftlets have been there long ago and why no one ever complaint about dirty five foot way cause by the swallows and pigeon dropping around the town.

I am not saying that all heritage BH building owners are all correct but at least with proper guildlines and rules, everyone will be happy and comfortable. As you are afraid of diseases, what do you think that my life isn't worth as much as your's? If the swiftlets do carry diseases, I shall be the first one to call it a day and even champion the removal of the swiftlets but then, we are more dangerous than the swifltlets as we indeed do carry diseases and create more rubbish.......

If you happen to drop by my town, phone me up and we will have friendly chat over all matters and I can assure you that at the end of the day, we shall be good friends.....and you would not have such thought and unhappy feelings about the whole matter.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 17 2010, 06:18 PM

I have receive a copy of the notice for the AGM

PERSEKUTUAN PERSATUAN PEDANGAN SARANG BURUNG MALAYSIA

LOCATION: SUNWAY RESORT HOTEL & SPA
BANDAR SUNWAY
DATE: 30/04/2010 TIME:2.30PM

PRESENT BODS

PRESIDENT: DATO' PADUKA BEH H.S.
D. PRESIDENT: DATO TOK T.S.
V. P: DATO LEE K.H.
SEC: MAK S.L.
A.SEC: OOI S.H.
TREASURER: JOHN CHEN J. O.
COM MEM:
TAN Y.T.
ALEX SIM K.C.
WONG T.H.
TSAI M.L.
KOH W.P
PHANG K.W.

As the incoming is Election for Executive Committee Members for the next 2 years, if there is a change in the setup, I will keep you all informed so that you may wish to write to them in future for National Issue on Swiftlets.....as your future depend on it.



ps: I still don't understand why the pedagang sarang burung is still being used as we are not all nest merchants but majorities are BH owners and our future depend on nests merchants as it seem..............Pengusaha Burung Walit should be a proper words, don't you think so. Just a suggestion and hope that it doesn't offend any of the VVIP and Dato Dato of the Association or else !!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 17 2010, 08:20 PM

I have this feeling that when the new act comes out, all must be a member of an Association under this Federal Group as they are the one that the government negotiate with and that the assciation will sort of self govern the industry.

Above is my guessing and prediction of what would happen in the near future.

The Association has solve your export problem if yu are not aware of and other matters as the Fed. do listen to their opinions....

From what I heard and get and how true they are, I realy don't know as I am just giving some information that I get lah to share with you all.

1.Formally, per Kilo @ Rm100 and now, Rm100 irrespectively of the amount and that's I think is reasonable and I presume that tourists are not be pull up for taking some nests out for gift or personal usage.

2. Export done thru Jabatn Veterinar and not Jabatn Perhilitan.

3. Other not nice things better not discuss here.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

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Added on April 19, 2010, 2:23 pmI am just going to discuss your BH just this one time only since I am the one that suggest to you that design for your agriculture land. I will try to explain the logic behind it.

1.Using the stairway to be the roving area has the advantage as it really save alot of space and you have the large area for you birds to play more than 30 feets high.
2. You need to widen the area ( roving area as they called it) to a larger space taking consideration that your stair take up some space. Consideration must be given to the swiflet ability to circle in the stairway used.
3. This design is most suitable for agriculture land as it protect your BH from being burglary as each floor become a individual BH and the thieves need to break into each floor to be able to steal your nests.
4. I have successfully using the special designed doors as entrance holes and it is so convenience cos in future when you have alot of birds and nests, you may want to close the door leaving small gaps in the metal doors to allow the birds in but keeping the thieves out. Initially, all doors need to be open as you wish to allow the birds free flow into your nesting area and you whole building now is a nesting which does not require a roving area in the BH.
5. Why use the door as the entrance to your nesting are is because no one told you that you need special opening for entrance as the more opening to your nesting area is bad for securities.
6. As I often said, using a airwell type, consideration must be given to a easy movement for the birds. Just imagine a 747 plane coming for landing and your runaway must be long enough or big enough for it to fly away incase it get frighten or scared. When your BH become successful, you not longer need this as your birds now can do a helicopter style to fly into the BH just like pouring water.
6. In all new BH, I rather prefer a larger entrance opening but due to the followings for BHs @ agriculture land, you need to consider

a) Burglary.
b) Wind
c) sunlight
d) Predators

Above, are my comments for my friend, Mr. Yeo and wish him the luck.





This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 19 2010, 02:23 PM

Hahaha...........I know about the bird and the bee children story but I rather not try it at my BH , my friend. Bird and bees don't mix, my simple brain tell me so, better go for sometime that mix like earth worms or eels farming or fish....anything but not the bees.

Looking at your plan, you may put a high entrance hole for each floor if you think that you can't secure the door well against the human/birds. predators.

Again, as always, a suggestion only......

Mr. GeogeTown,

I am not going to post anymore at your blog as you and your friends don't know anything about the swiftlets and sanctuaries so why bother at all to explain to those who keep their ears and mind shut. Nothing can help as your group have kept your eyes closed and so useless explaining if you aren't listening correctly. You need to check your facts first and don't just throw in anything you have cos we are not your enemy but wish to be your friends if you allow us to be. I just want you and your friends to have a clearer picture and the real facts but your friend said that I am a liar and that I can never accept and able to forgive him.

You are thinking that we are all uneducated ppl but please be reminded that most of the BH operators are professional by occupation and only providing swiftlet sanctuaries for retirement, family future and children further education.

All your complaints about the BHs in town can either be solved or they are just nonsenses just an example; decreasing market value for the properties. Just look around you and you will find that properties go up at least double since the industry come to town for without it, the town value will drop like bird shit but never swiftlet shit. It was the industry that help the town properties value and developers from going bankrupt during the last recession period. Without the industry then, many of other down stream biz will also suffer if you get your facts correctly.

Now, agriculture land at good swiftlets locations become so high price also due to this industry and many formally poor kampung folks have became instant millionaires because their land at least increase by 5 times since 10 years ago. My friend just sold a piece of his agriculture land for 50K an acre which he bought just 8K just 9 years ago........

Wish to inform that Jo Yeo has a excellent way to solve temperature at your BH on agriculture land. This method can isolate heat or cold from getting into the BH and able to maintain the constant temperature in the BH.

I believe that it will work.

Dear Cergau,

Why not check with Jabatan Veterinari on the subject cos you cannot trust the website as most depts. don't keep their site up to date. I haven't got the time and if you find otherwise, inform me and I will try to contact the Federal Association for the reason and then come back to you on the matter concerned. OK?

Are you sure and I was told that it is used extensively in Singapore? If so, then, they must have solve all problems associating to the materials....Blind me!!! or I misquoted someone? What about silica bricks, any idea?