Walau! What happen to the IMalaysian concept or is it just for show. All ends when the curtain goes down!!!!!!!

Let's start a IWalet Association for at least the Swiftlets aren't racial............

Jumput kami juga kerana kami hendak berkongsi kongsi pendapatan dan berlajar bersama dengan semua raayat Malaysia tanpa kira Agama, keturunan atau kulit supaya semua raayat Malaysia Boleh!!!!

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Please read Animal Farm and you will understand that the opposition may be even worst than the present Government when in power. "MAY" is a question mark???????? and what's if not and even worst????

For at least the BN is one big family although the Umno is the head of the family and they now know their past mistakes but the opposition have 3 heads.............all have their own agendas then, just think what will really happen if in power....no sense of direction and this may lead us to what are happening to many of the African and Arab countries. Even as we talk, they, the opposition already have problem understanding each other............. the raayat have shown the BN Government what the raayat truly wanted and it is up to the PM and his team to correct the wrongs and do the corrections before it's too late.

Sorry that I again posted Politic matter in this forum for swiftlets but then, it's good if the relevant authorities read these and take the right approach toward solving all the wrongs and allow us, the hardworking minorities Malaysians make a clean and honest living. IshaAllah

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Added on October 31, 2009, 2:39 pmHere are some of yesterdays newsclippings about the Perhilitan workshop. Also a suggestion of a One-Stop-Center for permits/licenses. I have no idea how this will be done, especially when different PBT's will definitely want to handle the issue on their own
qouted : dunsuntutmybuntut

One stop centre means that we need not go to all the PBT bodies but to one centre and let they solve it on their own. We provide all documentation to one centre only as these will save us time and problem with different PBT departments. Inspection if required, will be one time affair with all departments officers going to your BH to do inspection all at once and not each PBT at their own time. All departments will furnish the One Stop Centre with the requirement and you will only need to fill the forms provided by the one stop centre.

These inspection have been carried out in Pekan where all relevant departments like the bomba, health, haiwan, perhilitan and MDK all have their officers attended the inspection together but in Pekan, each will send you their approval to you and what one stop centre mean that all report shall go to the one stop centre which represent all departments.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 31 2009, 02:39 PM

I would love if the National Geographic do a documentary on us providing Swiftlets Sanctuaries as they may even paid us to ensure that the swiftlets population increases and that we must ensure the nests are only harvested after fledgling. Also that the swiftlets remain free and wild and no one should domesticate the wild free flying swiftlets.

Only thru this method that the world know about us and would help us to protect the species from harm and destruction......... that all town's BHs be gazetted as protected swiftlets sanctuaries............well, I can dream, can't I??????????

BH @ town with over 8K nests for sales for only 6M.
Interested, contact yours truly............West Wing, the Broker

I noticed in item 5.1 (GP PERHILITAN), one must have 4 Licenses;

1. Lesen Premis from PBT (if applicable i guess)
2. Lesen Mengambil Sarang from PERHILITAN
3. Lesen Perniagaan Sarang from PERHILITAN
4. Lesen Import/Eksport from PERHILITAN
Qouted posting by dunsuntutmybuntut

That's the trouble as everything seem to involve the Perhilitan and P smell trouble as they still refer the swiftlet as cave's and the still use poster of swiftlets and printed "swallow" , so where are we heading , I am afraid ....the first to go is the town and the estate will be no better. According to the Perhilitan, you need a pemit to harvest nests, a permit to keep nests, a permit to export nests and infact a permit for everything except your own black bird and eggs, sorry for my bad manners.

To make matter worst, some BH owners are not cooperating, they blast their sound like nobody's business, trying to outdo his neighbor, even thought their Bhs already has thousand of nests .....making life so difficult for those like us to defend the Swiftlets sanctuaries in town in a peaceful and acceptable compromised understandings with the local authorities which are not in favour of our BHs in town in the first place.

Heard that Penang and Melaka been serve notice to quit by the end of the year....is the News real??????

M's book & he mentioned bird flight in clockwise & anti clockwise directions as a consideration for the inlet design.
(I dont recall this being discussed in V1).
And Dr Chris's book mentioned that a particular direction is adopted by the whole colony.

As for my opinion, it's all depend on the entrance placement and if in the area where there are already established BHs, it's will be the way of the past like we human being...either the right handed driving or the left handed driving.

The problem facing exporting of unprocessed EBN is that Perhilitan(Cheras) requires you to provide all information on sellers and all sellers must have harvesting permit and which BH owner has it????? You must buy the ledger book to record all transactions in detail like date,from whom, permit to harvest no, quantity, amount and all these must tally with your export of nests or @store. Therefore, better sell processed nests as this will be under different agencies like DVS which are friendly to us. Or..... otherwise......go underwater

The last time that I was there @ Perhilitan, Cheras to get permit to export unprocessed nests; I protested that for the BH, no one need premit to harvest and I was challenged by the Perhilitan officer to name those who didn't have permit and still harvest EBNs. Luckily for all of us, I think they must still be sleeping @ Cheras.

QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Nov 3 2009, 09:04 PM)
Dear Bro West Wing, where can i get my hands on Dr. Chris's book?

I overlook your this question and sorry........but I haven't read any book on swiftlets by any expert and all I learn is by old way and that's by trial and errors..... sometime right and sometime wrong but if it worked for me, I just let you know and hope that it work for you, sharing our experiences in the trade make us all better men. As I did mentioned before, I would one day like to read books on swiftlets by experts but surely I am not buying but just borrowing lah cos I am very calculative and also always past comments on other works or seminars if I think that it is wrong or incorrect............. which is very bad and no manner on my part. Although, I never mean any harm but just passing comments or disagreement on other works seem like an unhealthy thing to do ................Would someone please help our friend on it??

By the way, what's the latest news on the development in BH esp. @ town but I know no news is good news!!!!! In my area, still no action by the authorities but some BH owners here are back to disco music day and night and aren't cooperating at all............sooner or later, we all get tembak and I have given up hope of trying to diffuse the situation as hopeless to try taking senses to cow's brain....today, they remember and follow and few days later, back to square one.

Let me try to answer your questions with the little that I know,
1. Partitions is good if you have too big a nesting area as it would create more grouping of swiftlets. To my knowledge, Swiftlets do have their leaders and never like to share nesting area with other groups and they do fight over territories. By spitting the area into partitions, you have created new territories for other groups of swiftlets to stare new families in your BH; a position move, I would say.

2. Partition should be full and not half/ partial.

3. Long range bazooka is needed if your BH fail to attract birds and your area is alittle away from the birds's source and so as to attract the birds to your BH ....like us using bullhorn to yell "Offer. Offer" to the public far away but not needed if the public is just at the door step. Surely, it can only be use on BH away from town or the authorities will tear your BH down in no time.

Hope that do help you in deciding your next move.

I would like to share below from ..........

Someone pm me on the lights installed in the BH, side and at the entrance of the BH.
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(hi, can i ask about the light install like the photo below???

is it ok???

is the light will pass to the nesting room??
swiftlet bird like the light like that??)))))))

Since I did mentioned that I shall share with all and hope that all will share their experiences with me and comment if I am wrong.

To me, to install, you must have a reason and to my understandings, it is to prevent the predators . To act as a beacon for the far away birds to home. To show the new birds the exit of the BH. To prevent thieves from stealing.

I never use lighting in the BH and the only lighting used is when I do nests harvesting. Light can only be use outside of the birdhouse and never in the nesting area as that will prevent the nests’ growth. Although, there are good reasons like as in the above reasons for lights to be installed………I will only use them if required as so far I never have a BH out of town. I have tried using light in the roving area but that seem to attract bird but in the end, lesser or no nest growth in my BH and so I discarded such idea.

To add, even birds call is also discarded in my successful BH (External and Internal) as I believe that the original sound made by the thousand birds are better than those from the tweeters and less disturbance to the neighbours.

Again as always, above postings are my own views on the matters and others may have different views and hope that they will also share their experiences and views on the subjects above.

Too basic so you need to read up on the above and as for the 3 breeding seasons yearly, my opinion is that there are 3 breeding seasons for the wild swiftlets due to climate changes, weather, physical changes and food supply and also harvesting method but for our house(domesticated) species, there are also 3 major seasons but many overlapping ones as ours BHs are controlled environment, suitable conditions and selective harvesting of used nests after birds have fledged. My harvesting of nests can be done almost every month selectively. These house swiftlets have evolved into new species and will not survive in cave again as we have provided them with perfect sanctuaries that they have became dependence on us for providing them with full security and prefect conditions of their nesting home.

Above, my own views on the matter only. Happy to hear other opinions or view on it, too.

In full partition, I mean that just like making room, you leave an approximate 4 feet area for the bird to enter to the new nesting room. The reason for full partition are to control light and wind disturbance and that you will be able to control the new area as a new nesting area like changing the sound. Partial partition will create air disturbance and light disturbance and so even vibration when strong wind blow.

During monsson season, strong wind prevented the birds from returning and we understand the facts that the swiftlets do no require a shelter but only a home to build their nests so when they do not have a reason to return, they may not or will not try to return. They can stay, eat, sleep and have sex in the sky and that's the reason why new BH owners must be patient with their BH and if they find that the birds are not returning as usual, that's normal as they may return after a few days later for the very reason that they don't have eggs or chicks to take care off. That's the same reason why more chicks will die during the monsoon season as the parent birds cannot return due to the strong monsoon wind/ rain that prevented them.......but the warm high humility of the BHs will keep most of chicks still alive when their parent birds return home to feed.


That's my observation and reasons for the recommendation in providing the best method in expansion of man-made Swiftlets Sanctuaries. Remember that the above findings are of my own and since it is base on my own's, others owners may not share my idea and should comment or disagree if necessary.

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Added on November 14, 2009, 10:41 amOh, let me give you a case history of one of my BHs, once I did a partition and what happened was that all of the sudden, the partitioned nesting area, all the new nest suddenly are of different type and in my case, they are hugh 4 fingers nest instate of the formal 2-3 size ones.

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Added on November 14, 2009, 12:28 pmAnother story to tell.....another friend has 5 shoplots converted to BH and the whole of the 5 floors are not partition and only 5 nests.

I was invited there to try to solve his problem and I told him to partition off part of the building into small nesting rooms and he is happy with the result. My reasoning to him is that your nesting area is like a football field and who like to sleep in a football field which is too airy and too much disturbances.

Again, as always, that my own reasoning.

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Added on November 16, 2009, 10:08 amFellow Bro,

Any idea of what is the latest/successful external bird song as a friend asked me about it????

As I don't go for the latest or the most sucessful one, maybe someone here can help me out.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 16 2009, 10:08 AM

How big is big is debatable as this is really a subjective matter. To me, I will partition off a certain area if the birds are located a one particular unused location or that the increment is not as expected. To my findings, many group of Swiftlets are different in nature and their liking and expectation of breeding area also differ; some like it dark but other prefer otherwise and so by partition off, you may suddenly find that the new partition off area become so popular with a certain group of swiftlets that they start building nest instantly. The most importance of all is that the birds must be visiting your BH inorder for any increment of nests anyway. To me, 80 by 23 is rather big to be solo and no harm partition off a certain part first and let the birds choose, area one or two?

Above are my own belief of what birds will do and not from any books so other may want to add their findings to share among fellowmen here. Hopefully, here, we are all for the swiftlets and birdnests for all!!!

These few weeks, haven't anyone notice that many BH owners have been complaining about lack of birds' activities in the BHs?

As many have harvested all the nests for the monsoon harvest but then, most have found that there isn't any new nest appearing. Can anyone think of the reason why???

Possibilities like shortage of food during this period or what??
Mine is still OK according to my family as I still on medical leave. I don't do total harvesting and my nests still the same but wish to know how about other area esp. the town ones?

Ayo!!! U think we are illegal, we are IMalaysian! no illegal but all perfect gentlemen investing for the future and not the Ali Baba or Mama lah.

Connection yes! Tau Pek Kong maybe...tolong tolong and you get many many birds and surely not from politicians. Even new budget mentioned swiftlets farming (Sanctuary Providers) as a new source of wealth for Malaysian....surely must be legal lah.......but only some greedy and selfish rich politicians/gangs are trying to do dirty fishing with the new found wealth that we have found.

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Added on November 24, 2009, 8:58 pmGenuine bird audio or fake one????? but to me there is no original, genuine or fake ones, only good ones, average or bad ones. Better if you ask for good external bird sound and someone told me that Black Cloud is quite good and Black Storm is bad but there are many more good ones but just that no friends are willing to share their champion sound lest you take away their birds.

Try mixing with the birds sounds and maybe you will come out with a new champion; one that will make the birds go crazy in love.

Any latest good bird sound, brother birdmen?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 24 2009, 08:58 PM

We are in Malaysia, everything can happen so we must be united and with that hopefully, peace and prosperity for another 10 years.

Just look at the old metal collection trade that have now been monopolised by afew and these guys make millions by buying cheap and selling high. Those formally in the trade have been kicked out....... One of them that I know, is now a very rich man and just bought a new M worth more than Rm600K for himself and a new M worth more than Rm300K for his son.
Where were them when the real old metal collectors were struggling to feed their mouth with those old dirty metal or discarded items collected. So, when the time are good, they just come in to take over and declare all their's like before and have always been the same unless we are united and fight back like real men to protect our rights, unlike like our fore fathers who always believe in refrain from causing wave and scared of taking action to protect our own interest. Is time to be united and make sure that fellow Malaysian problems are our own and not to wait for it to happen to us before we take a stand and fight. Our forefathers have been weak in demanding our rights and our leaders are worse....only for their own pockets and families members and friends, where are our's rights which they preached to protect when they asked us to vote for them.

Just give the authorities alittle excuse to do so, they will kick us and our BHs, the gentle investors of the BH industries all out ( with exception of their men) and put their men in control and we, honest clean citizens are all out of buz..... and future.

Remember that once during the bad time, our once famous past PM declared that no matter white or black cats, cats that catch rats are good cats....then when time are better, things change again.

Hopefully and I believe that our present PM means it when he said about IMalaysia, one for all and all for one.......a promise that will last forever for the sake of Malaysia, a country that has everything and fail to be something............building Malaysia to be strong at least stronger than Singapore, a tiny island which has nothing but is everything.

IshaAllah, we will succeed and be the best in the region.

I believed that in V1, we have discussed about this sudden mass of swifltets in a certain area and it's due to the flight of insects like termites and other ants. The swiftlets just gone crazy diving in and out, down and up and such hugh numbers.

So, I believe that it is not because of the trees but because of the area and the weather. Again, That's my opinion on the matter.

In my opinion, there isn't an optimum size but just a comfortable size. Like the roving area, a big one is always better but then, it shall be a waste of valuable space and too big a BH is also silly cos I rather built another BHs in other locations to give myself the advantage of having more birds or double chances.

A BH of normal size like a shoplot will be sufficient and in your agriculture land, allow future extension or expansion will be recommended.....so during your making of your BH, allow for future expansion. This way, it will not tie you down with debts and financial problems or leaving extra cash for another BH at another location. This way, you may be better prepared for as either one successful BH will be good and both would be a blessing.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 3 2009, 11:55 AM

there are so many friends that will be able to provide you with your order cos every Swiftlets town will be able to furnish you with your 50kgs order, and if you are in my area, give me a advance call but your offer must be good and remember to bring cash on your buying and no credit, please.

I always like to think of us as the providers of safe sanctuaries for swifltlets and not as any business venture as we have no control of the birds. The birds can come and go as they please and we don't feed them but only maintain the building and should only be allow to harvest the nests after the birds fledged. The returns from the nests for providing such generous and kind services should be consider God's given as we have no say if the birds will stay or leave as they are free......

Are we illegal! not to my knowledge as there were no regulations governing this field before until now and like our grandfather's time, the cobbler was the optometrist and the hairdresser was the dentist legally and so we are the pioneers and as such we should be commended for bringing the new investment to the nation; be given each and every old pioneer, a special license to provide the service for free and infact, we did have the blessing of some ministers before. So, why now after so much investments and sweat lah!!!!! It seem like the State doesn't listen to the Federal and the Local Authority doesn't listen to the State and should we, the ra'ayat listen to our local leader who doesn't listen to their's.

As always, above are my personal comments on the matter..............

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Added on December 1, 2009, 2:52 pmLeave some metal bars protruding from your BH for future extension and when necessary, add a new block next to the Bh and just break down a wall and you have a bigger BH. Even with a 20 by 70, when full, 2 storey BH will get you more than 5K nests and what more do you want??

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Added on December 1, 2009, 3:12 pmOh no no no, you will scare off all buyers of the wonderful nests............white nests and chemical treated white are not the same if you watch carefully.The whites are not the same and normally, house nest do not go thru such treatment but the cave usually do as these cave nests consist of many impurities. The housenests can be controlled and only greedy and selfish owners and buyers will go to the extreme to bleach the housenests. I always advice my buyers not to insist on very white nests cos it will cause some unhealthy practice in the future and should buy nest that are a little golden color as that will be the best of all. On cooking for about 20 minutes with only rock suger, the birdnest should give out a aroma of egg white........that you won't missed if it is pure and not treated. Think of it will bring down my saliva even when I took birdnest regularly as I got it for free.....God's appreciation of my hard work cleaning and taking care of my swiftlets.

Chemical processed nests are not dangerous to health but then when you paid for such expensive health food, you want to get pure and original birdnests and not treated bird nests of lower health value that maybe bleached with HO2.

Again, I am not an expert in cleaning birdnests but I do clean nests to sell to my regular customers, near and far and waiting list is always there when they are convince that they get the best from you, safe and assured of the good things.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 1 2009, 03:12 PM

Sure, I did but then my particulars are never confidential as I am as truthful and honest as I speak. Everything I posted here are my past experiences with the swiftlets and they maybe not always 100% correct but never wrong........as all wrongs or mistakes were on me long ago. When I mentioned that I have feelings for the swiftlets, I mean it from my heart and to help you to be successful is also part of it....so that you may be successful and so will the swiftlets' population.

Some of my comments and advices have been taken by others on their blogs, I am happy as that will bring more swiftlets homes and will be able to share our success and God's wealth. Also, to sell at better price will also help the industry as a whole and I will be able to help you in getting the amount you wanted from my area provided always that price are better than that of our present buyers.

Here, we share and nobody is selfish.....hopefully, when we prosper, everyone prosper.....when we battle, everyone fight and I hope that's the spirit now and in the future as I see we have a up hill battle very soon and everyone must play a part for unity is strength. Divided and we all fall; one by one to the Devil in sheep clothing!!!! IshaAllah, we will win the war!!!!!

We have everything here, buy or sell, contractors or consultants, contribution and sharing on everything about swiftlets, we have it here and ask here and they will pm you and do pay them for their services and items.....cos only posting here is free, I believe lah.

Hopefully, that more forum readers will post their comments and knowledge here to share........again, this is what I personally believe and hope that you do, too. Lastly, I talk too much...sori sori lah

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 2 2009, 01:14 PM