To get things right..........................

We @ forum are supporting Newbiz as many Newbizs have PM us on their BH developments and as for myself, I didn't forward all to the forum as many of those questions are too simple and personal that need not be forwarded to the forum. Best if you read all that you can read thru blogs and books if any and then ask questions that really bother you like what the author write is right or wrong. I personally didn't read any book on swiftlets at all and I still think that it is a good idea to read more. One sentence out of a page is right and if the book have 100 pages, you already learn 100 right ways. Common sense will tell you to ignore most of those wrong items and leaving very few for you to decide anyway. If undecided, let us know and we will help if we we know it. So simple lah!

We all share at the forum as in this trade, there is nothing to hide and only people with hidden agenda need to do so ........surely not us..... we share and learn and hope by doing so, we will be united as one to defend against those who really have hidden agenda.

Above as always, my own comments on the matter.

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Added on July 21, 2009, 5:45 pm[quote=Lucas 1,Jul 21 2009, 03:05 PM]
This is exactly why David Lim was so furious against the PERHILITAN in his speech given in the presentation of the WORKSHOP organised by the JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VETERINAR in Seramban on the 15.06.09. He spoke of this TRUTH openly on behalf of all from the industry. DL in fact personally does not involve in the trading or export of nests.Quote"

1. If you ask the Perhilitan, then you will find that most of the state offices know very little about how to proceed with the export of the EBN and worst if you are taking to a District Perhilitan cos you will refer here and there and also you will get wrong information. Veterinary Dept is no help either as they too don't know how to proceed with the export of EBN and will refer you to the Perhilitan.

2. At last, you get the correct Perhilitan and only 3 places in Malaysia with the HQ @ Cheras. Even getting thru the phone to Perhilitan (Cheras) is a problem itself and you will put on hold and hold until the line went dead in about 15 mins. And repeated phone calls will end the same and by then ( after 5 days on the phone and tens of calls) you are really mad and furious and going to eat up the next guy who take up the phone but lucky, no one did.

3. At last, you get thru and the Officers @ Cheras will tell you to get an Certificate of Origin from the Perhilitan and not anyone else and tell how to get it.
4. To obtain this certicate of Origin ( before you can pay Rm100 for per kilo) is not simple and it is the beginning of a long process which will kill your dream and ambition to be an exporter of EBN cos that the beginning of more conditions and problems arising (The problems and conditions are not even suitable to be place on the forum). Maybe, I can hold courses (Make some money) and speak about how to export EBN from Malaysia when I am finished with it. Then, at least, you all will be better off than yours truly.................... unless they change the rules or play.


Bye, and hope by then, you all will attend West Wing course in "EBN Export" hahahahaaaaaaa.. Rm100 per head and just 1 kilo export tax lah, dream on west wing!!!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 21 2009, 05:45 PM

Oh no......I am talking about unprocessed EBN and not cleaned and not just small quantity but for export of unprocessed EBN. Helping Malaysia to be No.1 Exporter of EBN in my small way. If you are talking about taking less then 1 kilo of cleaned EBN out, then it is no big problem but still a problem....just a receipt of purchase from the supplier which must have a certified Perhilitan certificate or otherwise they will disallowed you. The Perhilitan will grant you (not company) one time to take out the nest without any permit to export but you must pay the export tax of Rm100 per Kilo with a purchased receipt from a supplier having a Perhilitan lessen to harvest ( receipt having the Perhilitan Approved no. on it).

They informed me all above but I wasn't interested in just taking out 1 kilo of EBN but just want to know. learn and try the correct way to export EBN so that in future, if I require to export EBN in big quantity, I will not be in difficulty but After 2 months of trying so hard, I still need to go to the state Perhilitan to open a account with them before going to the federal Perhilitan again to pay for the export taxes if you are going to do business in exporting EBN. What I am posting here is just the top of the iceberg cos there are so much more things that you need to do...... When I have successfully send out the EBN safety and my Chinaman brother has received the EBN safety; only then I know that I am an expert in exporting EBN, the Perhilitan way.......... by then my stored EBN for export have already become moldy and brown.

I am still blurred and hoping the next trip to the state Perhilitan will be suceesful cos I know that they are going to inspect my office ( required registered Office with the local Gov.) before they approve my application. That's I really don't understand why cos what my office has to do with EBN export lesen. My office is just an office and no birds. They maybe need to inspect my source of EBN and that's will be very difficult as I maybe buying from so many BHs. One thing for sure that no BH owner will allow the Perhilitan officers (no for me anyway) to inspect his BH; the BH owners rather won't sell their nests to me at all...........they might as well sell to the Indo for no fuss and trouble.

Any EBN export expert like Dato Beh or Perhilitan man around.......Did I get the infomations all right????????? No bad or hard feelings, please cos I am just trying what I have learn from a EBN Export Courses that I took but nothing similar at all.... I maybe not very smart but I am learnng...

What the forum need to address here are:

1. How to prevent the moving of BHs from towns.

Till now, I still don't own a BH out of town as I feel that it is not safe for the birds. Even in town, we have difficulties in protecting our BHs but out in the wildness; if ever I build my BH out of town and is burglarized by thieves, I will be very sad and hate myself for building one there. I have plans to build so I am thinking very hard on 100% total securities and protection for my birds that even James Bond cannot penetrate and destroy my precious babies and eggs ... .......money comes second. Regret later is what I cannot afford and cannot live with myself.

2. To take our BH swiftlets off the list of total Protected species.

Why? as I see it, Perhilitan is going to create alot of problem for the BHs in very near future and that I can promise you.

These are the 2 most important matters we need to focus on and the Rm100 per kilo matter can come later....cos when you don't have EBN, there isn't a problem with Rm100 per K to Export as you have nothing to export anyway.

The one person that can surely help us is our beloved PM and he now has so much other more important (to him) matters to address personally then to come to our rescue.....maybe the Veterinary Department has always been good to us be our Angel of Hope or some VVIPs will put their foots in.

Lastly, I pray that some Angels will appear to help us. Amen

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 22 2009, 04:45 PM

Yes, for newbiz, before going to any seminar, learn the very basic of the industry otherwise, you may be wasting other participants times and money. Ask constructive questions and not those ABC questions as you should not be paying for those ABC which is FOC. Learn the ABC of swiftlets first, then you maybe able to tell if the speaker is very verse in the topic or just a Con. Seminar is good if you got time as it is just like a group of experts discussing more advance methods, doubts and problems solvings about the industry with the speaker giving his views on the subjects thru his years of experiences and researches . Small or the ABC of the subject, let your friends in the trade teach you first or otherwise, you may need to attend many more seminars to have the confidence in the industry and you are going to waste alot of others participants money and time.

Above, are my personal view on seminars and courses on swiftlets and hope that it will help you in your quest and understanding of the Industry.....I truly mean you well.

Maybe that's happened in your area but here, I believe that the more men venturing into the trade, the better for everybody as if we can have a 100 BHs in an area, we will have possible tens of thousands of new birds each year to satisfied everyone. Think positive and in fact I personally advice so many of the town folks to venture into this business and teaching how to do it, showing them photos and infact going out of the way to sell the idea. I am superb sellman convincing many town folks to venture in to BH industry but without pay that .... so much so that most of the town people now blame me for the increasing properties value in the town.........from Rm300,000 property no taker even after 6 months to Rm900,000 ready buyer. Even old pre-war building get Rm700,000 which last time was offering Rm150,000.

Developers and contractors are laughing to the bank and so are all properties owners. Small agriculture land selling at Rm8K per acre before can now demand Rm70K per acre because Birdmen are crazy men...............................................poor farmers are becoming rich overnight and all thanks to the swiftlets. Alot of those complaining about the BHs didn't know that they have already make huge profit from the industry. The very house or land that they have now fetch many times more and only birdmen will buy.................

Lucas is correct and let your past be buried with the dead and no matter what or how, you are still you and if you are able to Con or cheat another in this trade, then you must know alot of the trade to be able help others truthfully and sincerely and still make your money honestly but then...........

Sometime I really wonder why hide behind another nickname for if you are H, or your J or K, show your true identity cos even if you have cheat on us once, if you repent, God can forgive you why can't we.

Only that, be fair and true to us and we shall still be your friends. If you are a consultant or equipments sellers, so what...cari makan bukan but then cari dengan iklas dan jujur.

We don't want our friends/fellowmen to be cheated but if you keep changing your identity, it only prove that you cannot be cured anymore; you are forever a liar, a Conman and blood sucker..

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Added on July 25, 2009, 9:04 pmCoolandy,

Why keep the book, better try sell off here @ Forum with discount cos some newbizs may want to buy then to keep it for termites to breed lah. I see that you bought alot of goodies from Dr. Lim, Pak Hen and many more I presumed.....My good friend, one of these days, I must go to your place and read them all cos I haven't a clue of any of those books.... must be FOC between friends lah.

Me, outdated and out of touch and you, my friend .....well learned. Mind sharing all the wisdom gather from those wise books(I think so) on swiftlets....


This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 25 2009, 09:04 PM

As for AF really drink from the river and I don't think so. What seem to be drinking is that they glide on the river surface feeding on small insects like mosquitoes which normally fly low above the water. To us, they seem to be drinking but swiftlet can take water from the cloud and they just need very little water and even their food bring enough moiture for them. I have saw the AFs flying low above the river water @ Pekan which water is dirty and polluted and because of that, there are plenty of insects.

If they are drinking from water direct from our dirty river, they bound to get sick lah......and no more strength to make EBN, although EBN is good for the lung but not good for the stomach.

That's my personal belief on the swiftlets on water requirement ..........any other suggestions, please let us know.

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Added on July 26, 2009, 5:44 pmComing back to BHs in town, with the present government uncertainty directives and support for the industry, I find really very difficult to encourage fellow Malaysian to put their pension money into it.

Unless the Fed and State Government support the industry starting with the town BHs, Although I Love the swiftlets but it is to the best of the birds that I recommend a hold in investing cos maybe all their life saving will go into the drain and I don;t want to be part of it.

Swiftlet Home provider Buz is very good as it provide you an oportunity to make good money in a very safe way providing that the government is supporting our investment. With news here and there that the Fed may be going back to the 3 years demolition of BH in town, it bring sleepless nights for those who are in the trade and if really happened, many recent investors will go Bankrupt or need to work till 85 to pay off loan.

Properties value like buildings and land will drop by 50% and there will be so many idle buildings left to rot like before the boom due to the demand of Buildings by the Industry. Just think of the scenario then will make me scare and afraid as many have pay good money for the BHs, some buildings formally that nobody want. Hope that our government study and understand all the true facts (false facts have been provided by some people with hidden agenda) in to consideration before deciding to shut down the BHs in town.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 26 2009, 05:44 PM

Thanks for the video Utube and I do have it in my HD as I have download it a long time ago. I have forgotten all about it until you brought up the video clip.

My opinion is still the same dispite the utube video that they do touch water ( applogies for the wrong infomation that I posted that they don't touch the water). The questions are.

1. Are they drinking or are they after insects on/off the surface of the water. If they are drinking, they don't need to splashed into the water just like the action of the kingfisher and not like bird talking a drink. More like taking a bath.
2. If they need to drink water from river or pond, do you see them at the drinking spot everyday and I beleive they don't because they are after the insects that happened to be in large quantity then ( just look at their flying pattern, they look and sound like feeding frenzy like the same when they are after a school of flying ants or termite. Hope that someone can really magnified the images to see if they are after insects or drinking. Thye need not be so exited during drinking, I presume.

3. I think that not because swiftlet like water but because alot of the diets comes from water surface or very close to water. We all know that we can find alot of insects near river or pond.

Anyway, thanks alot Seesang, for the info and we have a good day on the matter and maybe the JPV can enlighten us here on their facts and findings.....I believe that JPV do read our postings, do they??????

Again, above are only my own humble believe and just for discussion sake only.

Bro, don't you worry cos if AFs do cause bird flu, I am the first one to get it cos I don't wear any or use mask of any kind while I am with the birds.
I do what I preached and since I said that AF is safe, I will put my life in what I believe. Even the shit is safe as I too, do not wear mask while cleaning shit or harvesting nests cos I feel more comfortable and safer although I don't encourage others from doing so...........and JPV is dead against the idea. At present, I can put all my faith and money on it but cannot promised that in the future if human hand feed AF and keep and breed them like chicken and maybe giving them antibiotic, crossed breeding or steroid to make them grow bigger and faster and maybe produce 10 nests per Kilo, anything can happen......

Coming to the 10 nests per Kilo, I have a joke to share....I met a BH friend and ask him how's his BH . "Oh!, only one bird with 2 eggs and the nest almost a Kilo" was his replied. Ah..I laughed and laughed and "Really" he said pointing at his pant and the nest is the swallow nests infront of his BH at the ceiling.

Infact, I do have this secured feeling that EBN can prevent H1N1 or other bird flu lah and I take EBN regularly...just a my own feeling as EBN is best for the cold and cough, right? "Han Sei Kat Lei" meaning simply jealous lah my neighbours....... and really for the past 3 years, I didn't visit the doctor for cold.....it must be birdnests!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 27 2009, 08:24 PM

It's goes for me, too....good work and you know what. When the H1N1 started then, my wife was so scared because my son was working in the hospital but my son assured his mother that this flu has been killing thousand every year in USA and why suddenly all the panic.

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Added on July 28, 2009, 3:40 pmQuestion from a forum's reader (PM)

May I know how long should I wait for the cement smell to go before I can start playing the sound in a new BH? Should I apply aroma, spraying water, etc. on walls to eliminate the smell? Or any other methods that could possibly be used?

My Answers ( Sifu around may want to add or disagree)

Cement smell is not a problem but the dust from building the BH.....wash the BH wall and floor many times so that any residue will be wash away include all cement dust or other dirts so that the dust/smell will not discourage the staying of birds. Sound,......well. play anytime and some BH even hve birds playing in their Bh before it even finished.

Aroma or perfume maybe apply later to attract the birds to the BH making the birds to believe that the new BH infact was an old BH with all the smell of birds staying in the BH before.....

Never wait as time is precious and make sure that you wet the wall but try to avoid the planks.

Comments,pls.

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Added on July 28, 2009, 7:08 pmOboy! After going into the above site really give me more confidence in EBN as EBN is not only safe from flu viruses but they even good for prevention.....you all better go to the research site on EBN and learn what I did. Thanks. For H1N1 prevention, take Birdnests everyday and more reasons to take it if any intention to go oversea.

"Fluorometric HPLC indicated that the major molecular species of sialic acid in EBN is N-acetylneuraminic acid. The results suggest that EBN is a safe and valid natural source for the prevention of influenza viruses".

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 28 2009, 07:08 PM

This is not a SCAM but boosting of the highest kind......talk!!!!!!! everybody can talk but any assurance. Go to any direct selling seminars, you hear the same kind of talks and they even show you the handful of successful members that are using big M car but about the thousand of members that fail .........

This, I call "talk Cock" pardon me if it hurt but then readers must know the truth and if any silly lies.......

The truth is that a handful of those investing in the Eco farms will be successful and that the true facts but what about the remaining ones? Remaining ones maybe be OK in 10 years later down the road by then all of them maybe BRupt or AL's clients.

Tell the investers that there are risks in every investment and please do not lie about failure. Give the investers all the facts, good and bad and let the investers decide but most of the present EFs are not honest about it.

Sorry if it hurt you but then, AH LONGs will be the ones that make the most profit in the end n are you an AH LONG, too. If so, then I must appologies because that's right way for ALs to do buz otherwise nobody will need to borrow....how are ALs going to survive?

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Added on July 29, 2009, 10:45 am"5. GROWING SWIFLET POPULATION IN MALAYSIA AND SPILLOVER FROM INDONESIA" Quoted

That's I want to know Hahaha cos INDO is having a decline of EBN cos.

1. Overharvesting (like in our caves) and so no new birds fledged since years ago.
2. Old birds died and no new Birds.

So, how are we going to get the new birds from INDO ( overspilled, hahaha) when INDO is facing a decline of EBN meaning lesser birds............ and it is going to be worst in INDO in the future if the BHs owners there don't repent.

So, your new fledged birds need to come from the towns. Malaysia will face the similar situation if we follow the INDO' ways and please don't blame on the lack of insects cos my EBNs seem be much bigger than last year ....meaning good food still available and plentiful.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 29 2009, 10:45 AM

dakah kita cuma menjadi penonton sedangkan bangsa asing telah menikmati sejak berpuluh tahun. Masih tidak yakin.. Cuba fikir-fikirkan kenapa AEROSWIFT susah2 menganjurkan projek berkelompok? tidak lain untuk memberi peluang kepada golongan yang tidak mampu memiliki sebiji Rumah WALIT. Tetapi masih ada peluang untuk menikmati hasil dari burung walit. REZEKI YANG ALLAH KURNIAKAN.


Hey, this guy should be under ISA...lha. What's we orang asing kah???and that's sensitive man. We orang Malaysia sama dengan you lah.

Hanya Allah memberikan percuma kepada manusia dan kemukinan Kerajaan memberi percuma (ambil hati) kepada raayat dan AEROSWIFT hanya nak cari keutongan atas orang yang kurang faham tentang industry ini. Nak ciri makan, pandai pandai lah sedikit . Jangan cari lawan, kami semua orang berbahasa dan bersekolah, bukan?. Sungai panjang dan kalau ditempat ini sempit kerana ramai orang, pergi jauh sedikit, ada juga ikan besar besar.

Kalau ada raayat Malaysia yang keturunan Melayu atau India atau lain lain perlu memasoki bidang ini dan tidak faham......kami akan bantu, Ishaallah, kami berjaya bersama sama.

Allah beri, kami terima dan EBN menang itu reseki Allah dan Allah kurniakan kepada kami kerana kami ini orang Malaysia baik baik semua. Di mata Allah tiada beza warna atau keturunan.....semua sama dimata Allah hanya ada Manusia yang dosa dan degil.

Hey....where do you get the posting, place mine over their's.

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Added on July 30, 2009, 11:02 amPM from a NEWBIZ to me.

"This new bH got 3 birds stay after open sound 2 weeks,so is it ok?good sign?or bad result?thanks uncle"

As per former pics PM to me, your interior nesting area is receiving too much of the light from the entrance hole which directly shing into your nesting area.....as from your pics showing. By Staying, I presumed that you mean the AFs are starting to build nests and not just shits that you see. If the above is what actually happened, let it be as I did mentioned that sometime and somehow, the AFs do even stay at the entrance or near the entrance which is really very bright. If the birds like it, why change........

Birds like us too, sometime, we can't predict what they will do. Even sometime we do the renovation to perfection and still no bird stay. If the birds started to stay, let it be; wait and see as I always say. When good thing comes, let it run and when bad, change it fast.


( Above is just my friendly suggestion no advice as I am neither a Sifu nor a consultant. We share all here and if any other comments or suggestion, I believe that our newbizs will like to know an so do I.




This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 30 2009, 11:02 AM

Syabas, at least we now talk as Malaysian Brothers and sisters and not M,C or I.......Worst if we talk about M,B or C or I and then what.

The above research was done in 2003 and paper published in 2004. Is the present situation in Sarawak same as then?

With the great decline of ebn in the wild, I guess it is difficult for them to cari makan so they have to focus their attention to the bird houses in towns.

Do you think the relevant authorities have the well being of the birds as their main priority?

I hope so but I doubt it.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Yesterday, 09:32 PM



Agreed and it's about time the so called PCA or something like that Associations which champion the cause for Animal cruelty take action against the forestry Department of Sarawak for causing the death of million of cave swiftlets for which they are paid to protect and instead do more killing in town's birdhouses which are the last sanctuaries for the swiftlets even thought since then, the birds have evolved. If we are to leave the birds to the forest rangers ( shamefully referred to as the protectors of wild species), the swiftlets may be very soon be gone forever from this planet.

I can't see why the the world organisations are making such big fussed about killing of a dog and a cat while remaining silent in the destruction of the thousand of wild swiftlets in the cave in Sarawak and lately in MUKAH town in the pretext of trying to save the species. What the forestry department is try ing is to eliminate the wild swiftlets. They can't even protect the swiftlets in the cave and shameful to say that our sea turtles suffer the same faith and even as I am saying, turtle eggs are sold in open markets around the country and no one is taking action of stopping it even sea turtle are really facing extinction and soon only appear in our books only.

If we are to leave our swiftlets to the authorities, the birds will suffer the same faith as the sea turtles. Fortunately, the swiftlets are smart creature and know that it's time to move home and migrate to our building where the buildings' owners can protect them from predators ( human being being the worst kind)......and since then, the birds have successful evolved for the better of the species. The turtles are less fortunate and if they lay golden eggs, somewhere, some places or some how, someone will build a giant sea enclave for the turtles to breed for mutual benefits........although with self interest but it will save the turtles from extinction and may increase their population.........a win win way.

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Added on August 4, 2009, 3:11 pmSometime when someone mentioned that we do not share with other races, I get so fired up as I have personally taught many Bumi how to start BH or how to get best deal when approched by people wishing to JV with them. To say that we are selfish and not sharing really put a dagger into our heart......cos we treat everyone equal but as for myself, I go even further for the BUMI to convince them to venture into the trade. Shame on those who tarnish our good deed in trying to help other Malaysian.

Next BH coffee discussion sent by a fellow reader

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:52 PM
To: west wing
Subject: fresh bird shit

"hi,can i use my friend's BH fresh bird shit put into my floor of BH?
is it good to attract bird?
thanks"

ANSWER: Yes, definitely correct as the fresh shits do really smell and that smell will definitely attract birds. Try to localise the shit and remember the designated area so that you would know if there is new patches of new birds’ shit. This is to prevent confusion on any increasement in the birds staying. Make sure that it is fresh swiftlet shit and not chicken shit...ha.hahaha

Above are my answer to his question and other that feel differently or have other views o opinion, please do add on.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 4 2009, 03:12 PM

Hope that the Sifus here can really help the BH industry as I am here busy trying to prevent a Telcomunication Tower from being setup and trying to get another TT to be demolished. One of the Culprits being our BH owners who rented the 3 rd. top floor to the telecommunication company to build tower 10 feet infront of housing area and he build a BH at the 2nd. Floor with the entrance facing the residential houses.

Not only have to solve his BH night disco fever and now to add to the pain, we have to help to prevent the T. Tower for being installed.

To solve everyone problem,why not use the top floor for BH operation and have a roof entrance then everyone will be happy and can have a good night sleep. Although I have no BHs in the vicinity, those staying at the area don't mind the day sound, but c'mon, no night sound please, people need their good night sleep. Forget what your consultant told you to have a 24 hours night fever.......plus now that you have added more pain by allowing a t. tower on top of your BH. You are going to kill us all with your stubbornness, greed and inconsiderate.

Sometime, you find such sucker, who want birds and want also fast money, too. Hope this guy from KT is one of the readers.

Go and PM Sifu Benchai on how to make money before you can harvest your EBN if you are having a BH away from town as town? I doubt that the authority will allow us to do so.

As your BH grows so will your plants, fishes and worms; I know for certain that fruits and vegs. really grow well with birds' shits and what about worms and fishes.

Sad to hear that haze is affecting the birds in Sarawak but here, we experience a hugh increase of birds lately maybe from Sarawak and Indonesia due to the Haze.....and we do have Haze but not that bad.

Coming next!
Quoted:
Why Use FENDONA?
FENDONA works fast and lasts long. Its active ingredient works both on contact and through ingestion to eliminate insects in minutes. And its residual activity helps ensure that insects don’t return for up to nine months.
FENDONA is highly effective at low use-rates, and its low toxicity makes it safe for humans, mammals and the environment in general. In fact, FENDONA can be safely applied to kitchens, restaurants and food storage and processing areas. The combination of low dose and strong safety profile have placed FENDONA high on the World Health Organization’s list of recommended insecticides for use against malaria-bearing mosquitoes...

..... although mosquitoes isn't a problem with BH, birdmites and bugs do andmany friends told me that Fendona is good but I find that they have use it wrongly. They use Fendona every harvest and in strong concentration but Fendona can last to 9 months on a single application and a little goes a long way, right? Why waste, just use little every 2 to 3 harvest to be 100% safe for the birds and human and also save money, too.

By the way, where to buy FENDONA by BASF????

Below, are some readers that PM to me and may like to share and maybe some Sifus may wish to help others in the education and training in the field of successful swiftlets sanctuaries (SSS).


Hi Mr WW,

If I apply ammonia to my new BH, do I still need to apply bird shits?

If the temperature and humidity are within the range for swiftlet likes but the brightness is more than 2 lux, do you think it is all right?

Appreciate if you could reply. Thanks
I did ask someone selling the BS in Klang and this guy did mentioned the BS are not fresh but doesn't matter, just add in water will do. How you think about this? Personally, I do not know any BH owner, where to buy those fresh BS???

Accidentally, I came to know an old BH owner who advised me not to have open roof as entrance. He said this type of entrance hardly success. Do you what he said is true? END

Dear Friend,

Here are what I think are my beliefs and findings abut maybe others do have their own opinions to share.

1. Old and fresh birdshits are different and just look at any animal shits and you will tell the differences between fresh and old shits....even if you add water to it and you are smart enough to understand that old shits don't really smell no matter how you add water or leave them for a week or two. They will smell but the smell are different and even different places shits are different in smell as the food taken are different; your doctor will tell you so.
BS is the very basic that you apply to your BH.
Darkness has essential to BH's success.

2. Where to buy....easily and cheaply as most of the old successful BHs do have alot of work removing the shits and if you do help them in clearing the shits, they gladly give you for free or maybe just a small token.

3. I do not like to criticize or comments on your friend's comments (Old BH owner) but let me tell you that so many BHs that I advice to use the open roof types ( not that others methods are not as good but create unwanted problems to the neighbors), all are successful and one of them now having more than 9,000 nests in the BH, just 22 X 70X 4 storey in the town. Others are having over 1,000 nest over a period of 3 years. In the Desa, use designs to suit the area and maybe, the Dog kernel type maybe better as the wind, sun, rain and predators and many other factors to be considered. I don't own one in the Desa but have help friends to improve their BHs out of the town.

Apology if my personal comments hurts your friend's feeling but I never lied to please anyone.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 11 2009, 08:35 PM

If you are going to take out EBN and you think that the Exit Tax is the only one and is a big problem....wait till you try to go in to the buz of exporting EBNs, then you know what problems is real problems......Export Tax seem small compare what you are going to face.

Only the exit taxes????? that's if you are taking out less than a Kilo and for one time only or otherwise, much much more problems than that for I did try to export and you never expect what you get yourself into. Till today, I still can't find a solution to all the problems without effecting and adding problems to the BH owners.

Problems that I can't even discuss it here with you as it might bring alot of difficulties to all BH owners or EBN suppliers.

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Added on August 12, 2009, 6:16 pmThis forum seen to be getting cold and I am out of topic to discuss and hopefully we hear or get good news, bad news or any new idea or technology for the swiftlets industry from our friends around here to share.

Let me borrow a topic from our friendly Eng. Lee' blog. Is size really matter???and if we are talking about BH. below is what I think and I am really just talking thru my mouth only.

Size do matter if the BH is really too small but then height matter more. Too small will be too conjested and difficult to renovate into successful BH but too big, will be wasteful and a football field size BH, do you think that you can filled the BH in your lifetime.

And more than that, how to control all the factors of the BH.....just like my friend's 5 shoplots BH and after 2 unsuccessful years and with nly 5 nests, we want up to give our recommendations on the BH, other than the sound and others, the other problem is too openness of the neasting area.

Unless you are going to show off or that you are going for the record, do not go for too big a BH. If a 40 by 80 and all filled up, just calculate how much you will be getting and for me, that already too big a BH..........better build 2 or 3 at different area and maximize you chances and double your birds increment.....

Some friends reading may want to give their opinions or suggestions on the topic from Engineer Lee"s Blog and hope he don't mind.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 12 2009, 06:19 PM

I love to try on Ultrasonic Humidifier because it really don't wet the floor that much like our faithful Taiwan Chicken Humidifiers .... but then does the ultra sound create Ultra sound/vibration disturbance to the swiftlets and also UH has its problem like replacement of the ceramic oscillation disc which may be broken after so long usage. If so, where to get the replacement . Never dare to try them and if anyone around here did tried, I believe many would like to know more about it and whether if it create any disturbances to the birds.

For Ultrasonic cleaning, I have tried it once a few years ago and you can't produce a finished half round nest with it. You can only break down the nest but then, by wetting the nest, and then cleaning with a good tweeter will be a better option. I did even tried using a suction pen to remove feathers but fail on that, too.

Maybe, I did the wrong way,maybe some readers may have got it right. Hope that you will or can share your experiences with us for the benefits of the industry. Share your experience and you gain more, that what I believe.

Let me get my immagination go wild......let see

1. Your BH must be either or a few of the following
a) a wet area like with underground water.
b) very near to water sources like river or others.
c) cannot be in town
d) Your internal temperature must be under 25C.

2. If above is the truth, then your BH must have a free flow of air from A to B and so the wind bring in the cold air into the BH.
3. If my 2th. predictions is correct, easily solve is to .........................

3. Solutions:
a)close all ventilation holes in your BH as you don't require any of the V holes as you have too much air flow and dampness.
b) Prevent the flow of cold air into you BH

Well, like I say, it is from my imagination............ and hope that I get them all right. C'mon, Sifus with experience in it may want to comment and advice us.