Like I said in the workshop @ Seremban, 80% of the EBN are from the Towns and therefore the future lie with the the town's BHs in EBN or new birds. Without the BHs @ town and their supports, our PM's ambition of making Malaysia a top producer of EBN will fail.

Hate to say, We must admit also that the truth fact that we also need alot of new BHs to produce enough EBN to make Malaysia one of the biggest producer and if possible the no.1 producer of EBN. This news hundreds of BHs cannot be all coming from from the towns as that will make the whole town blacken with swiftlets so Desa or Ecoparks will need to play a role in this industry but without the town BHs providing the supply of new birds, all of these Desa and Ecoparks will fail although too big a Ecopark will fail anyway. The best way is to spread the BHs into smaller scale of Birds Parks and with the support of the town's line of supply of new birds for the parks, the dream of making Malaysia as the top producer of the EBN may succeed aver a period of time. My suggestion is to build a smaller scale of bird parks at many locations near every one of the successful BHs town, tapping the recources from the town. Getting the town's BHs owners to invest, thereby, encourage them to provide 100% commitment to ensuring the success of the birds parks nearby.

A successful BH of 5000 nests will generate a pool of at least 20,000 new birds and with each successful town will be able to support more than 20 time the number of new BHs only if the town BHs owners are supporting the cause; just you calculate the number of new successful BHs?????? What if the towns aren't supportive or have no reason to support or even denial the existing of the bird parks , zero new bird with zero growth of new BH and all new BHs wil fail everywhere in Malaysia unless birds do come from the sky.

No matter from what angle you look or examine, the final conclusion is that no matter what and why, the town's BHs are here to stay not 3 years but forever. Building wealth for the owners and the nation

Share the wealth...Alhamduellah, .Allah bagi, kami terima as Allah is graceful to provide us with it. IshaAllah, we will be successful to make our PM's ambition come true.

That's my personal argument and comments in the matter and other may have different opinions and best do post and share.


Assalam maualaikom

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Added on June 30, 2009, 12:54 pm
Electricity for amplifiers and other electricity items will only be required during the early stages of the BHs and after that, the BH will be self sustained, the only thing needed maybe just water to keep humidity so that the quality of nests be maintained. Even that, you don't need electricity as you can have dry cells water flow control to set the time for the water to flow over the floor of your BH to keep them moist. With the hugh birds population in the Bh, there will be a live band playing and why need any amplifier. Oyes, birds keep the temperature of their nests by circulating around the hatching area in hugh number during hot weather.

That's my humble comments on the matter concerning electrical short circuit

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Added on June 30, 2009, 1:14 pmFrom a reader,

1. i read the blog from pak henry from indonesia,i dunno him,but he have mention aroma pemikat DIY from his seminar,actually how u think about it??

Answer: Someone with information on the matter may want to assit this friend.

2. is his seminar will teach us how to do DIY for best aroma pemikat for ourself???
Answer: same as above, please do help as I never attended his seminars at all.

3:and how u think about aroma in BH??actually aroma pemikat is needed in BH???

Aroma, sure especially in new BH and more in unsuccessful ones. Sound to attract their attention and smell to keep them in, must be of right smell or otherwise will keep them away.

4.i am newbie ,really dunno .so just ask u old man advice,actually i am 25 years old young man ,but i like swiftlet farming..

ANswer: Me, no old lah, just bigger than you, hahahaha


5.what is the good method to insulate the heat from rooft at afternoon?? i use pond in my rooft of BH ,is it ok???how deep the water should i put in my pond??

Answer: Read the old postings and you will find many ways to do it. And as for water pood, I don't know if it is allowed or not but you must have at least 16 ins of water or otherwise, you want have steamed fish. Keep very tiny fishes that feed on mosquitoes' larvae and not big one that attract predators to the pood. Personally, I love water pood as temperature control is easy.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 30 2009, 01:14 PM

Again and again, we hear complaints about irresponsible BHs owners and sometime, I wonder if we are doing the right thing.

That's the reason that I didn't object when the DK and window type entrance were bought up....cos, our Local authorities and the local Association received so many complaints that I am shameful to mention them all. Again and again, we give advice, and they follow it for a a week or two, then come again the Saturday's night fever and all cause by those from the opened window types and DKs. Although, the open roof or air well sometime has loud sound but they are directed toward the sky and cause no complaint. When no complaint, we sleep well so why should I protest at the workshop as some @ workshops did asked me why I didn't protest on DK or open window type but why should I? If they think that it should be allowed, then they should rise up to present their own case.

Now and for the present period, we should all follow some sort of self restrain for a better future and avoid causing pain and ill feeling from our good neighbours.who so far have been very understanding and considerate toward our BHs....but never take that or them for granted as they can turn the table against us before the recommendations really become any Laws or conditions for the BHs.

A Win Win way out is what I advocate but I really don't know if you all do share the same feelings. We have rights but the public do have rights.
As the PBT representatives said that We, the BH owners are thousands but the non BH owners are millions but for any objection, there must be a reason and we @ the workshop have be able to produce a solution to all the complaints whereby we can coexistent in harmony and peace. Let us share and make friends and love among neighbours by solving and help our neighbours to understand us better. We were able to defend our industry at the workshop well with the great support of many of the friendly government departments whom share our goal. Can this last ? It won't if the a few present BHs owners aren't going to cooperate but selfish and greedy or what have you.

Sometime, I wish that I am not in this trade, then I can complaint or throw chemical into the BH behind my house to destroy his BH who are giving my family sleepless night but then I am in the trade and only way is to tell him to lower his sound and that's will only last a week or two. So, if the government ban open window type, I will be the first one to be really happy.

Anyway, that's my personal view in the matter and any offence is unintended at all.

My Bla Bla Bla on Swiftlets,

BHs with no nests, please don't worry if your BHs are in prime location. If you really have no confidence in yourself or in what you are doing, sell off your BHs and sit by the side line and let others do the kicking.

Before anything can happen, the area must be suitable for the birds, then you will have what I called a core for the birds' sanctuary. First, a few birds will stay in a few surround Birdhouses and that circumference will gradually but surely increase in area and will cover bigger diameter as time go by taking consideration of whether the core operators are really bird's breeders or not. If your area is in the core of the sanctuary, you shouldn't have a problem to attract birds and if you fail, you are to be blame and you may sell your BH to me anytime and sell 50% to me anything.

If your area is out of the core of the sanctuary, you must wait with patience like father waiting for the baby to be delivered. No rush because it is not in your hand but the hand of the core's BHs owners and also God's hand. Which direction does the expansion is also a matter to discuss NSEW and that's will normally depend on the flow path of the birds.

If your area is far away like in the case of Desa or EcoPark, you need to be more patient if your area is in the feeding or flow path of the birds from the town where your BHs will lure the young ones to visit your new hotels for evaluation for new home.

Provided if the birds still with the town and your area is in the path, you may be fortunate to start a new colony of birds. Pulling in new birds from the town where the places are all full. Once the town's core area is destroyed, all Desa and EcoPArk will fail cos they are not the core of the santuary. Core are where the birds choose to be there and what make the birds stayed in the town more than 50 years ago.

My friend's house already has nest more than 50 years ago then, they don't even know that that are EBN sticking on to their wooden beam until the Indo buyers came to buy from them. They feed the nests to the dogs and dogs don't even like the nests.

So, the story is that the birds choose to stay in town first and later, we only provide them with more areas to stay. Why don't they stay in desa 50 years ago and I can only think that the swiftlets feel safe in town.

Only so much that my little own experience to share and all thru my eyes.....if the authorities really interested and honestly in wanting to make the country a top producer, talk to us.. and please listen.

Bro, do read thru V1 @ below before coming to V2 as all have been discussed in V1 of swiftlets Farming in.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/431781/+2420

It will be a waste of time to repeat again and again.......after reading thru all the pages in V1 and that will take quite sometime, you are hereby declared a wellread swiftlets sanctuary provider...... ready to do battle.

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Added on July 2, 2009, 10:33 amThank Bobby C for the infos, compromised and make you old building in the site look better and well maintained than the rest of the heritage buildings.

The Authorities will have no reason to object or refuse your BH in the site.
After all, most old buildings under the heritage site are so old that without proper maintenance, they will collapse. Talk to the authorities and convince them that your H buildings (BHs) will be better maintenance and will not cause any complaints from public........providing an umbrella to shield the authorities from the heat, the harassment, embarrassment and complaints from the public sometime accusing of corruption if they refuse to take action against BHs in the area....Talk to them, Hear them and Help them to help yourself.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 2 2009, 10:33 AM

Beautiful...beautiful...at last we hear alot of comments and plenty of disagreement....so we shall start a friendly debate on the issue for all friends here to share our points, right or wrong, at last, we all learn for at least I learn.

You are very correct that the birds were in the caves few hundreds years ago but then if you go further back, they are not even swiftlet but other type of bird entirely,whether a humingbird or an owl and evolve into a swiftlet (AF).....that's we need a professor to educate us on the evolution of swiftlets.

What's I mean is not that far away......just that why birds migrate into human's building in the first place and all posible because of predators in the cave which the biggest predator is human being. Instinct tell them to migrate to save their species and that's what I believe that why they migrate and then after so many years, they again evolved into a new species and even this new species have been evolved into many sub species which why we notice that our species are different from that of other countries. And for that reason, we want to our wildlife Department to remove them from protected species cos they are not the same species as the cave swiftlets.

So, when the birds started to migrate, they have migrated to only certain place in our town, that why I call it the core for the town EBN swiftlet (AF) which are now different from that of the cave's type which I am trying to emphasized. At the present time, the only way for the Desa or Eco park BHs to increase their bird's population is to allow the town BHs to maintain to ensure continues supply of large quantities of news birds to move into the Desa or Ecopark. Only then the Desa/Eco maybe or will be successful and only afew part will be and so there start a new core for the birds population, expanding outward either NSEW which will determine by the swiftlets themselve. If anyone can tell you that they can ensure that the birds will expand to a specific direction, he need not be here or giving any lecture on how to build a successful BH, he will be making billions building his own BHs and why waste time teaching you all on how to build BHs.

The only things that they can tell you are that which area is better, what conditions are more suitable or environment or what not but they can never give you 100% assurance of success; only better chances to succeed.....similar like my broker tell my to buy a certain share which he will tell me that this share will increase in a week....who is he??GOD??? During the good run, He was right on all the time in the past but the last time that he was wrong, gone are all my money.


Again as always, are my own humble opinions and comments on the matter of swiftlets and no offence intended at all.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 4 2009, 03:59 PM

When expert tell you that your old birds will stay at your BHs as long as they live? Correct but then not 100% and why? Like one very old friend told me that a 1st. guideline for swiftlets ranching sound alot like chicken breeding guideline but coming to think of it, there are some logic in it....birds are birds and by observing the mother hen behind your house, you will understand more about the swiftlets behaviors.

Swiftlets will lay their eggs in the location all their life like the mother hens do but then like the mother hens, if you prevent them from returning, they may move to another location. True or False, and let me give you a case history. A few years ago, I bought a BH having only 40 nests and during the same period, an old BH about 60 meters away having over 8K birds did some renovation and the renovation lasted for 3 months and what really happened was that my BH was having 40 tiny small BNs and after 3 months end up with more than 450 nests mostly over 3 fingers big. Just tell me where did the big adult birds that make my hugh nests came from?

This is just to share some of my old happenings and hope that will help you to manage your BH better.

Lucas,

Thanks for the clarification and Young Man, I am still not that old to understand what I am doing. I am trying to help those in the trade how to prevent the loss of birds and to increase population to show that "Malaysia Boleh" if given the chances and Isha Allah, we will succeed cos if the birds do fly, it the next blocks will gain and any birds that fly far is anybody guess. The birds may decide that Malaysia isn't a good location at all if we also destroy all their sanctuaries @ towns like what happened to the caves and in Indonesia where they are experiencing a decrease in birds' population and blaming it on the lack of food but then my nests seem to be bigger these days and why? Too much good food in Malaysia, I guess. Mind you that the birds can fly hundreds of kilometer in a day to search for food and although they normally fly nearby as food is plentiful in Malasyia. If the Authorities destroy all the BHs @ towns, the birds may just lose faith in Malaysia and decide to quit Malaysia once and for all and fly to Thailand where they are treated as VIPs or to a new frontier like Laos or maybe China.......

All what I have been postings are for the authorities to understand that whatever and no matter what, the towns' Bhs have to stay to be successful and it's the towns' BHs that will eventually help the industry to grow. Disallowing us@towns the right to remain @ towns will only kill the industry or al least back steps it by 10 years which will kill all Eco Parks. Without such assurance that we will be allowed to remain forever @ towns will force us @ towns to take dramatic action ( although cruel it maybe) that will give faster returns to cut losses but will kill the upcoming industry in the process.

Again, as usual, above are my own explanations to what I have posted. Others, please do share...........Birds has bird brains but then, they do have brains!!!!!

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Added on July 6, 2009, 1:06 pmPm from a reader
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:44 AM
To: west wing
Subject: RE: ammonia

actually how to do ammonia diy??can u teach me ??uncle west wing,actually i am newbie ,many thing dunno,but i scare use ammonia coz dangerous..

Answer:

The smell of their ( shits ) ammonia excite them, and they love it but too much of good thing also will kill, right?


Making of good Ammonia,
(Copy Right by West Wing.)

Oh that very easy and the easiest way of doing it is to take a plastic bag and filled up half with fresh shit and the remaining with water. Stir it well. Tie it but not too tied and be sure to leave so space for expansion or otherwise the plastic bag will bust. Best leave it under the sun for a week and you may want to shake it daily and when you see the plastic bag expand to its fullest. Careful take it into you BH and be very careful when opening the bag cos you may faint due to the Ammonia gas (wear a mask).

Once open, pop out come the gas and that smell is great and birds from nearby will just rush in and you may just faint there too. If you are still standing, filter the mixture and you have yourself a self made aroma (ammonia) solution ready to make the swiftlets crazy over you.

A DIY solution and you may just want to buy from suppliers that will surely save you alot of shit smell.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 6 2009, 01:06 PM

Agreed 100%

"God love the children,
all the children of the world, black or white, red or yellow....
we are precious in his sight..... "

Since, we are God's children......Therefore, we are all brothers in the eye of God.

So, no racist remark @ forum, pls.....

I ALWAYS VERY CURIOUS WHY IN KUANTAN THE LOCAL COUNCIL DO NOT ALLOW BIRDHOUSE GRD FLOOR AS RESTAURANT DUE TO HYGIENCE ISSUES..
BUT THEN WHY THEY ALLOW BIRD NEST PROCESSING IN GRD FLOOR ???

From Chank

LOH!!!.....ANY RESTAURANTS IN MALAYSIA ARE MORE DIRTY THAN A WELL MAINTAIN SWIFTLET FARM LAH!!!......


U GOT SEE ANY RATS RUNNING AROUND IN FARMS......U CAN SEE IT IN SOME RESTAURANTS.....

U CAN'T EVEN SEE ANY ANTS INSIDE THE FARMS LAH!!!....HYGIENCE??...

Bro,

I wish to explain this above if it's Ok with you cos' no Makan shop under the BH is a requirement all the time and we should respect that and no point arguing that Makan shop is more dirty than my "C5" Toilet ......or something like that cos it's an enforcement's problem on why they are not very clean and still able to sell. Makan shops should be not only be clean but feel clean and even seem clean....... that's why BHs are not allow below Makan Shop but we shall not start a war with Kedia Kedai Makanan as we already have our hands full....

As for EBN processing under BH is not allow under international requirements for processing food and you may ask the JPV on it. It wasn't a new requirement at all.

As always, above are only my personal comments and remarks and no offence intended at all.

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Added on July 8, 2009, 6:28 pmB very careful in the usage of words if any of you is trying to advertise about the risk of Eco Park Investment in major news papers. Conduct seminars or classes on it is another mattter.

That's my humble feelings.

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Added on July 8, 2009, 6:46 pmB very careful in the usage of words if any of you is trying to advertise about the risk of Eco Park Investment in major news papers. Conduct seminars or classes on it is another mattter.

That's my humble feelings.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 8 2009, 06:46 PM

Eco Parks should have support our BHs @ towns for mutual benefits as a Eco Park representative @ Seremban workshop told the us that they support BHs@ town and why the change of wind........ If they are willing to listen, we are willing to brief them oh why they need us more than we need them. Ti bring us@ the Town's BHs to war will be the last thing that they should do and they should also know that the town'S BHs owners maybe the only real buyers to their so called Eco Farm to give them a chance to succeed. Play with fire, you will be burned. Cooperate with us for mutual benefits and rewards as well as for the country. Although we may also suffer but then, you force the tiger to jump the wall ( Chinese saying).

Partner with state authorities for all we care if only what you are looking for cheap land or suckers but then, never feed them wrong information on swiftlets like one famous HK guy told them that he is able to move the swiftlets and the U. sound to pull in the swiftlets; all stupid ideals. If you really can, then I will not only buy one but many more with a agreement to pay me back all my loss of revenue from my town's BHs and also buy back the BHs @ Ecopark plus interest. Provided always that you must have all the directors personal guarantee that they will pay incase the Eco Park company go Bank***.

Most of the States' Authorities know very little about swiftlet ranching and it become like the story of the Emperor without clothing. The Authorities just listen to all the sweet talks and are thinking that every duck will lay golden eggs if you do it their ways and are now counting golden eggs in their dream. Wake up, all State heads!!!!!! It's never that simple or otherwise, why are you there in the first place.....won't it be more easier for the Eco heads to go on their own instead to share golden eggs with you. 50% of a billion is only half a billion and why not take the whole billion to himself. With such future coming surely, chicken feed is the land cost........if you listen them the Ecoman.

My humble comments on the matter in discussion.

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Added on July 9, 2009, 12:03 pm
from home002200
west wing,can i ask about the different about channel stereo or channel mono of the source?
normally what type of channel should we use??stereo or mono?can use mono?

My Answer and other may want to give their comment:

Mono is that both R and L having the same sound and Stereo means that R and L are individual and may not be the same sounds like you may has only voice in the R side and music in the L side.

What type to use and it all depend on you as you may want to use R for one side and L for another sides. Or different Floors Or Outside and Inside if you are trying to save costing.

That's my little knowledge of Mono and Stereo, feel free to comment.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 9 2009, 12:03 PM

Just to inform the forum to be careful of 2 latest predators in BH even in town,

1. Horn bill....they eat a few birds each day but will return for more.
2. Fox.....they can enter your BH by the electrical cable and build their home inside your ceiling, papa, mama and family. They will do alot of damages to your BH.......worst than the owl.

Be careful cos we saw the damages done.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 12 2009, 08:04 PM

I was in Seremban's workshop and we were to believe that the New Federal Law will allow present BHs to remain forever and are given grace period to follow some guidelines. Unless, our Fed. changes what have been discussed and approved @ the workshop, we, the BHs @ Town are safe from harm. We don't know what will happen tomorrow as we live Today and hope that what's transpire @ Seremban is not just a play by the PM.

I believe that you must be joking that alot of BHs@town are selling below market price and by the way, do we really have a market value for BH @ Town? Here, we have one buyer offering Rm4M for a BH@Town having over 6K nest and the owners are not selling. The federal Government will protect BHs@Town for the future of this industry as this is a God's Gifted present for PM and Malaysia. Using so little land and investment but able to support so many other businesses and also will be able to help our employment problem not to mention export earning in the top 3 in the very near future.

Our poor rural Malaysians in kampong or even in kebun will be the able to make money if this industry suceed....

Simple calculation.

one BH @ town having 6K nests will produce 12k chicks each season and multiply them by 3 times per year and you will be looking at 36K new fledged birds looking for new home to make nests. If there are a 1k if such BHs @ town, imagine the number of new birds going out looking for new homes.Figure it out and you will see it is 36 M new birds looking for places to stay and we are only taking about 1K BHs @ towns, and what is the total number of sucessful BHs in Malaysia and then do the simple calculation above and you will see that what PM's dream can be fulfilled very easily and that's is to make Malaysia No.! producer of EBN in the world and at least NO.1 export earning for Malaysia. Support and cooperate with us , BHs @ town and we shall oh! no!!, I should say that we will definite see a very bright future for Malaysia, Golden Malaysia, a paradise for swiftlets and obviously EBNs.

Calling and appealing to all BHs in towns, do allow the birds to reproduce, multiply and harvest only after fledgling as we are not only doing our moral obligation to the "birds of God" but also for Negara KU, Malaysia.

If we are going to keep secret from newbizs, why do you think that we are still posting here for what?? We are not been paid and I don't think that I can learn much here except the latest news and new equipments of the trade which I really don't need but most importance of all, I am here to share and to make new friends and to make sure that Swiftlets, our Choy San, God of Wealth are taken care off correctly .

If brother SeeSang has already told his view on your diagram, like your entrance to your BH is already a problem and then your path to your nesting area is also not good, try to correct it if you haven't done your BH and if you have, do some modifications on it so that the flying path into your nest ing area be better. If you didn't correct it, it only less changes to be successfully.

In my opinion if I may add is that if you are building a BH's entrance, the entrance should allow easy flight for the birds to enter to your nesting area: failing so, you shall have difficulties in drawing in the birds. Many newbizs just forward diagrams for the fun of it and not really need the advice or some are not even in the buz. I believe in your area, you must have some friends in the trade to give you on site suggestions on your BH and with my above notes, you should have no problem in designing a good entrance. Conditions for good BH has been discussed long ago and that you should know the requirements fof BH. With that information and your view of the location, you shall determine the correct entrance position and entrance for the swiftlets plus you got friends around. Even with that, you may later find that you need to do repair as you may forget to consider some minor things like the wind or the light during the initial stage. If setup is so simple like just listening to postings, then just buy a book on swiftlets and you will be a self made Sifu already. There will be many cuts and wounds all the way. although some may have all the lucks all the way.....slim chances.

There won't be some many failures in the industry and just that with all informations gather here and around, you be wiser and changes of success will be greater. Like if you go to a specialist and the Doctor tell you that you have only one month to live, do you believe in him totally and if you do, then you are a nuts because if you have given away all your wealth to others and six months later, you are still alive and well....what will you do. Go back to the specialist and ask him why did he make such a wrong diagnose . He will tell you that it is your mistake for we, Doctors are not GOD, we do make mistakes and you should have seek second or third opinions on the matter before jumping to conclusion. This is a true story, my friend.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 13 2009, 06:29 PM

Thanks God that you still remember me and I sincerely hope that we will meet again but no " Yu San Nia". Really, we could have been good friends and have alot of buz cooperation if you keep your promises to me cos I don't mind helping you with followup problems solving but not on money matter, please......you got time but I don't!

Wishing to see you again very soon in Kemaman if what you posted above is the truth. Best of Luck in your new venture in export/import of EBN with the Indonesia Government.

Dear tangsn,

Don't feel bad as we @ forum reach out further than you think and we don't do that for the money like the Eco guys but we do it for the friendship.

Yesterday, one guy requested me to visit his 18 months BH in his plantation. It was OK by normal standard as his BH has over 100 nests but than, the entrance was wrong and the tweeters were not fitted correctly.

My comments to him were that if I was there 18 months ago, he would have at least 3 times what he is having now, so I left him with some suggestions to do. I spend 4 hours of my time to be there and the reward is a cup of teh tarik; all for the sake of making a new friend.

The story of above is that sometime even if your BH isn't prefect, you still have bird staying but then if you do it better, the result will be much better.

For all failed Bhs, my sincere suggestion is to be in the BH to understand why it fail and by observing the birds and shit.....using all your senses including your common sense if any and study your BH and feeling it will guild you to a better understanding of the situation which no Sifu or book can teach you by posting or reading.

For the newbiz, learn and learn well and when you have thousands of nests in your BHs, we @ forum will only be happy for you and no green eyes, that I can promise.

As always, my humble and personal comments on the swiftlets' happy home provider.

Harshness, rudeness and bad mouth isn't my way at all and so I should stick to Swiftlets Sanctuary Services (SSS) which I perfer to call as I was never a swiftlets farmer nor a swiftlets rancher, just a Swiftlets Sanctuary Service provider and that's me!

So, as I love the birds and will disseminate what I know about them thru my past experiences (which may sound outdated) while working with the swiftlets. Hoping by doing so, Imay encourage others to share and treat the swiftlets well.

So, I shall try to discuss about setting up a BH after you have chosen a place to build the BH scientifically or ancient method of calculation. to make a BH is to make a home for the birds and so what you must try to do is to copy the best of bird's sanctuary and that to start from the cave environment and then improve from there thru trials and errors cos the cave was the best place for the swiftlet then as we are not there to provide them with better place.

So, you see after so many years of migrating to our buildings and with study conducted by "SSS" providers, we have understand more about the swiftlets. Although that our BHs are better and more suitable for the swiftlets, there are still rooms for improvement and still we are doing it every day by trial and error........but many of us are really very selfish about sharing our new acquired knowledge and findings.

That's understandable as human by nature are selfish and more in Chinese because " teach all you know to your student, there will be no teacher". Do remember that Teacher also will learn during teaching as new idea and finding will come out during the time.

Coming back to BH SSS, the swiftlets house should keep the heat and cold out so the best is to find a material that insulate the home, keep the temperature inside warm but not hot or cold. Humidity must be high and no wind and best if low darkness stimulating that of the cave. How you obtain it is another matter.


For best height of the nesting area, my view is that the higher the better but then, too high mean more difficult to collect nests safely. So, we need to compromise the height of the nesting area. Many consultants will suggest anything from 10 to 12 feets as to suit the standard ladders height.

I believe that most of the readers would like to read more on how to inprove our BHs and I don't mind sharing my experiences which some of the readers may disagree with my findings and I hope that they will post their view or findings here and we shall discuss over the forum for the sake of the whole industry and me, for the sake of the swiftlets well being. For readers who wish to discuss SSS over the forum, many of us here will join in to share as we always do but then someone must forward a topic for discussion.

Maybe, we can talk planks, tweeters, settings or anything esp. Problem solving concerning swiftlets as someone did mentioned that we here are @ UNI level already. UNI or no, we still discuss child play for the sake of our newbizs.

Please do comment if needed. Sorry if I sound long winded........

From A reader who PM me on what is the bird's path.


Form my personal interpretation, tt is the path taken by the birds going out insearch of food and returning home. Meaning that the birds will overfly your BH or at least very close to it to hear your birdcall if yours is in the the path of the birds and your Birdcall should be able to get them to visit your BH just like you set up a Hotel and cry out loud" Best 5 Stars Hotel in town and only Rm50 per night for this month only" and obviously, many people will go to the hotel to have a first hand look or view on what so special. And you need to ensure that your hotel is in the path of main stream of human, otherwise you will also fail, right????????


It has been many years since I visited my past ancestors at the grave yards and since then, there are BHs in the area as back as 5 years ago.
Now, there are over 8 BHs and those over 3 years have over 1000 nests according to one of the BHs owners @r the graveyard's area. It is to tell you that as long as the town birds remain, the chances of outer area like graveyard seen to be a potential area provided they are supplied with new birds from the nearby town. Maybe, their forefathers must lending a helping hand and I must visit my past ancestors more often and will try to get a piece of land close the them to ensure safety and good harvest in years to come. Hahahaha. Hopefully, the others staying there won't go to the Local Authorities to complain...

By the way,bad luck as there aren't any land for sale at the location.

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Added on July 18, 2009, 4:28 pmI agreed with Chank that you should get qualified building contractor with engineer to cerified and approve your BH and not consultant to build one. What do consultant know about building BH and you basically get a BH which may just be your happy grave if it happen to collapse when you are happily collecting nests. "here lie a Happy Man"

Get a Architect to draw your BH, an Engineer to calculate the amount of materials for the strength needed and others but not a consultant who seen to do all, he must be a genius to be a professional of all trades to know all these requirements and specifications.

I have seem many BHs in plantation with cracks and it just take time to have one disaster and do you know that the consultants don't even have a building plan for building the BHs......just do it and as long as it look like a BH, it is a BH.....that's I also can do.......anyone looking for a BH consultant and " contractoring" man from MO university ( MO stand for My Own) for a BH with no building plan.... and mind you, it cost even more than a commercial building with all the specifications and utilities provided in town.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 18 2009, 08:20 PM

Sometime I wonder, why some human just want to be different.....like having a gold toilet bowl, will your shit smell better with golden seat.......or your A H be more comfortable. Maybe silver, if silver do really kill bacteria if you have the money, buttock really full of bateria lah ...hahahaha

Since we are very sucessful with meranti wood and why stainless steel and if you want to try, maybe better try polycarbonate or something cheap and last longer. Then if you are sucessful, come and inform us and we shall be very grateful for you.

If meranti last for last than 20 years, why worry for if you are successful with your BH, you can even build 20 ore BHs with the money generated and have cash to buy you a new car. The main problem is how to get the birds to stay and make nests; worry if no bird stay or no nest....and that's I will be worry and not to try on something like stainless steel which common sense tell us that it is not a good material for swifltet cos the swiftlets may need to evolve to have their feet fitted with suckers like lizards instead of sharp nails.


Apologies if offended with no intention to hurt anyone.

EVIL MEN BURN IN HELL

I am sure that the PM is with us or else we won't be in Seremban and his men was firmed behind us in the question of moving the BH. What the Man said was something like these " The PM isn't interested in moving the town BH and you are all here to study and provide the best ways or solution to correct and solve the Swiftlets' problems in the town"

If the Authorities is to forgo what @ Seremban and proceed with the 3 years deadlines, I suggest that all BHs @ town to go for a showdown and prepare ourselves for the domed day for the swiftlets@town if all venue failed.
One method is to harvest all nests in 45 days cycle meaning throwing away all the eggs (May God forgive me) and since there will be no new bird from town, ECO farms willm suffer badly. Even the method seem ruthless, if there is no way out, it better that we prevent them from reproducing peacefully then to let the Authorities murdering at least twice amount of birds later in 3 years time. No more MUKAH!!!!! This way, we can cut losses and less killings in 3 years time.

Mehod 2: Paint the sky and hope for the best as many believe in this but we too, don't know what will happen also cos it maybe worst than now.

HOPEFULLY, WE NEED NOT COME TO THIS,

Has anyone tried to export your EBN legally?? I promise you hell lots of trouble and time that you will not think to export legally again.

Try it and in 2 months, you still at it and you end up giving it up.

Conditions are so many which include..................
Where did you get your EBN/ source and has the person has approval for the Perhilitan to ensure that all collected EBN are from licensed collectors. You need to record down all transaction properly fot them to verified and all transactions must be from approved collectors (licensed). All must be in proper forms.

I am going to screw Mr. Tan of ****** up for giving us false hope in his course in Export of EBN and his course doesn't cover 5% of what I have gone thru and still not enough. If anyone really think that he has the answers, please reply.............. I tried to export as a buyer from China want some samples of our EBN and facing some much problems, I rather smuggle them out thru runner if I want to venture into the buz.

Nowaday, it difficult to be law bidding citizen as the authorities involved isn't making our life easier and helping the Industry at all.....

What for if Tax Free in China as going out of Malaysia is already a big problem.