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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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West Wing
post Jun 1 2009, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jun 1 2009, 05:15 PM)
GEM,

You are the Best le!!!......i pun tak sempat balik tengok tv...nasib baik kawan baik hati ini rekod utk kita semua!!..

Terima Kasih.

Lol.....see the birds or not.....Lau Hau Shui liao!!....
If can book ticket, then should depart now to Sarawak....
if cannot book ticket, then should just swim over there!!!....
Agarwood.....wau.....lau hau shui liao....

7 years can get 1.5 million per acre ahh???

wah...no need to work liao!!!!.....plant 10 acres then within 10 years can get 15 millions liao!!!....
sure or not???......7 years???.....betul ke nih???

do some research...
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Yah....Thanks Gem,

And for those newbiz in this industry, just view the nest in the birdhouse in Sarawak @ GEM,
Industri Sarang Burung Walet Di Mukah, Sarawak @ BERNAMA may make your saliva fill a bowl.............all full house with no empty space and who say birds are scare nowaday.

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post Jun 3 2009, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(bchinlaw @ Jun 3 2009, 03:22 PM)
DIY Aroma.

To all experienced sifus. Beside fish oil, bird nest and seaweed are there anymore ingredients that we can add to made it magically more Powerful.
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You tell me......as for me, I am still trying to remember what I did and I con't get the right formula, my XO formula....must be the wrong amount of the ingredients and maybe it is the timing....all playing very important part in creating a powerful punch. As the guy say, go and buy but what assurance can you get? refund if so, then I wil also buy. Wrong Aroma can create worst nightmare for your BH and that's why, I also tell my friends, try a little at one location first and if good, then only apply to the rest of the BH. One wrong mistake, what you have also gone.

A few months ago, I did posted about my XO formula which work so well but then, I forget what and how I did it....Really, then, even I was in the BH, the birds were still cycling above my head and around me and maybe, because my T-shirt was smeared with the XO perfume while poaring the solution into the humidifier. It was great but I just can't remember the formula and if I do, don't worry, I will offer you all, my friends here, one L for a big cup of teh tarik + roti telor...... I am still trying but didn't get any such result again at all......maybe, you need to buy the aroma to be safe and be sure to buy from the right person or otherwise, your answer is as good as mine.

So, anyone selling Proven working Aroma may want to let our friends know but I just don't understand that a solution for a source maybe different each time you buy it and even the smell are difference. How do I know, I did purchased some magic solution for a friend and it was good and reordered 5 bottles again for him and some friends and it was useless and it smell different..and it didn't come cheap, one 5L bottle for Rm250.

That's my little experience with Aroma and No offence taken please,
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post Jun 7 2009, 06:20 PM

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Oh so good, action all around and I just like to read other postings for awhile but then I just love CHANK positing below

"No one aroma is the best, it is more of your own preference,
U liked more bird's nest, put more loh!!...
U liked more fish oil, put more loh!!!......
U liked more sea cocunut, put more loh!!!...
U liked more eggs, put more loh!!!......" Hahahaha

Just wish to add that when doing your own attraction portion or buying, please be careful cos' you may destroy what you have even if is only 50 nests.......... try it out first at a certain worst corner and if it's good, go full swing.

Sometime, when you BH fail, it not always the lack of Aroma but of something's else. Sometime, even the best Aroma cannot help you cos the problem is somewhere else. (May bring up this subject in the future).

Don't you worry if you are with me cos I am not selling anything except birdnests and birdshits (not Bullshit) and may buy if what you are selling is proven correct cos I would also want increment or hundred of nests from zero within a couple of months...that's I would like to see. Taking of birdnest, the price has increase to Rm4200 ( Good chang) and have a nice day. Thank you
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post Jun 8 2009, 01:02 PM

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Got this thru PM as I always encourage questions thru forum to share and I shall forward this to the forum for the FOF ( friends of Forum) to answer or share.

hi, can i ask u about the wire tweeter and wire electric.
can i install the wire of tweeter touch together with the wire of electric????
is it effect the quality of output sound from amplifier????i mean the wire electric magnet will effect the frekuensi of the wire tweeter???thanks
if got effect , so how much the distance should i install between wire tweeter and electric??
the second question is ,my nesting plank install in my slab ad, but got 1 inch space between the plank and the slab???so is it ok???
no problem ,right??coz the slab no that flat in any place, must got abit different about the flat????

1. on the 1st.Q, I really don't think so but then I am not an expert in this electronics interference. Can our expert advice him on this.
2Question. No, it is not OK and you should have taken precaution to prevent this as we have mentioned in the forum on it. Stability and air disturbances will create unhealthy and slow growth in your BH. The ceiling is not even and we all know about it but try to level it as much as possible and some gaps at a little places is normal.

Once the birds start to build nests in the better area, the area with air gap will slowly be use up by birds using saliva (nests) to fill up the gap between the plank and the ceiling so don't you worry.

As always, above are my personal comment and suggestions and other may want to add or disagree....no problems....pls. advice lah.


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post Jun 8 2009, 03:44 PM

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From what I heard and if it's true that a lot of buildings @ Bandar Nilai baru are left vacant and since wongtt has mentioned that alot of swiftlets are seen flying in the area....and that many here have concurred that the area is good for this industry. Why wait, better try your luck in DIY BH (Cheap Lah) and if you are going to get the authorities to approve your BH, I think by next year, they will still not going to do so and worst, if they disallow you, then if you still go ahead, then the authorities will use force to dismantle you BH as if they didn't, they will lose face and respect and no one will be afraid of them in the future. This is the last thing we want to do. Always remember that "Kun Chi" has two mouths ..............

There are so many BHs in the area as you mentioned; many is the strength and if you wait, by then the authorities may say, enough is enough and you will lost out.

If the price of the building is very cheap, I may also interested to invest in the area but then, my boss (wife) will surely against the idea. She will curse and yell " Haven't you got enough, isn't what you have will last you for the rest of your life and are you going to work until you drop dead!!!!!!!!"

I don't know about your wife but I surely don't understand women........when they spend, they never think....hahahahaha.


And for ORNIMANN's story, we all are of the same kind....we really care for the swiftlets and on so many occasions, I did take siwftlets that fell from the sky or from friends due to the harvesting of nests from nearby BHs and what I did was to put them into my BH and let nature take over from there......luckily, almost all make it thru and I don't know why and how.........

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post Jun 9 2009, 03:22 PM

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[quote=ChanK,Jun 9 2009, 01:16 PM]
This time i need help.

I shall try to answer your questions from feedback that I know...........

1)Anyone here fr kuantan can tell me the estimate of farm house in kuantan town?

Are you asking for license. If so, one floor is Rm240 and 2 floors BH is Rm400.
If you are buying BH....then, the standard price shall apply and it is very expensive.

2) Any license been issued and where?

Alot and there some that cannot get license due to some reasons. Yearly renewable

3) What guidelines been followed for the previous license issued ?

Same as before like makan shop is still not allowed at ground floor and bla bla bla.......fair conditions, I should say.......



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post Jun 10 2009, 01:24 PM

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Since everyone is so tense about the new regulations and let it be and relax or otherwise you go first then what? Take good care of your health is more importance and don't let some guys here that will scare your gut out....take it easy and breath in slowly and out.

Never waste sleepless night over the matter as we are strong in number and during this bad time, the government will surely support us and if they insist to move us, all will suffer.....and nobody will want that esp. the present government as they have other better thing to do than to kill the birds that lay golden nests.

So, we shall discuss BH 's matter. Below are my ways of doing BH before and now....as birds don't change ans upgrade, only human do. I normally will use the least amount of money to build BH as birds don't go for 5 stars hotel. They prefer some place very similar to their home..... so, I use the material required to the very basic and start from there and as for security, just one metal door will do. Which stupid thief will break into a BH having so little nests, and if your's having thousands, even the best securities available cannot prevent them trespassing and stealing.

A friend of mine having 3 steel doors and padlocks costing over few hundreds ringgit each cannot prevent the thieves from stealing his nests until he now hire securities guards to secure his BH.

As I was saying, when your BH has thousands, cost isn't a problem and one security guard isn't enough, get 10 and armed with M16.....why borrow money and with Ah Long chasing you all around.

No point spending so much ensuring no one entering a empty BH.

Just my way..............
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post Jun 10 2009, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(sampahMAN @ Jun 10 2009, 07:25 AM)
Hi there, I'm trying to find out how you guys clearing up the droppings from your BHs. Some owners just flush them down into drains and they are creating the problems for all in this industry and they should end up like the man in the picture! don't you think? vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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Congratulations, my friend cos you must be having alot of birds enough to worry how to clear the shits.

What I would do is the moist the shits and not water too much cos it will be very heavy to carry later. Then scoop the shits into the bags. Never swipe the shits around as the dust will dirty and polluted the air, nests and also your health.

That's my way and maybe others may have some better ways to share here, appreciated.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jun 10 2009, 02:06 PM)
The only full proof security I can think of to avoid theft in BH is to stay away from this type of investment.  doh.gif  doh.gif
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You are very wrong...pardon me for objection, my friend.

Reasons:

1.This is the only industry that is failed proof meaning that you never lose as you can sell your BH at the market Price plus renovation and many buyers are interested even on profit sharing on unsuccessful BH. Unlike in share market, even when you make millions in good times over many years, just a month of bad time burned all and sometime even your own money which I did and I regret that I didn't go into the BH buz 20 years ago and now I must be a very rich millionaire.

2. No one will go bankrupt over BH but not in other industries where up and down are so common and sudden...one day millionaire and next broke.

3. I recommend this industry to everyone because I am not selfish, greedy and my far vision......as for the first few years, I may lose some of my new fledged birds to my neighbours which I persuaded to invest but in the long run, I will be much better and only those in the buz will understand the simple mathematic formula. Also with new friends all around, where to find objection of BH @ town.

4. Any failed BH at good location will be of interest to all BH owners with many years experiences unless he has enough of the good money or has really no time or worst, wife's refusal for husband having a second wife by the name of BH. We, BH owners sometime spend all our free time with the swiftlets that we forget that we have families other than the generous swiftlets which is also our gifted family.....at least for me.

5. No one can doubt that this is the safest investment of all and the only persons that can destroy it all are the Government and GOD. Both of them are people loving.

6. When thieves are your problem, my friend! you are already rich and your BH is worth entering and if you are afraid, sell your BH then at a hugh profit............Do you really and honestly think that the thieves will be interested in your cheap Amplifiers and how much do you think that he can get for your Amp after spending so much time and trouble getting into your BH...........better go and steal something else like a car and at least get more than 1ok for a old one.

Before, I have invested and diversified all my sayings in bonds, trust fund, foreign money markets and shares and all gone with the wind, I mean during the bad time. Luckily God came in the form of bird and save my future retirement plan................nice story , won't you say so............

Good day, all my friends
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post Jun 10 2009, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jun 10 2009, 08:34 PM)
hmm....

Let me guess.....
The old committee member or chairman is Datuk Horse ??

And that particular association is Malaysian Bird's Nest Association??

am i right??

am i right??

am i right??

or am i right???

im right?? right???
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it is of our wishes that all thiefs or future thiefs use their brain before breaking into any farms....

As most of them are either , illiterate....or are high in drug that when they see Made In China Amp they thought it was

Made in USA....

And since, they always hang out there and seldom see anyone come to the shop....and it is lock heavily...

so....hentam lah!!!......this always happen lah!!!..... shocking.gif
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Personally, I never trust Malaysian Bird's Nest Association as the wording apply to birdnest and not birdhouse and so all they concern is the nests and not use, the poor birdhouse owners..........All they are concerned are that they want to control and monopolize the birdnest trade in Malaysia and that outsiders from other countries are not allow to come to Malaysia to buy...........so that they can buy low and sell high...........maybe the seizure of nest at the airport maybe their doing.

I am not saying all @ the Association are those type and some are good guys but still I am not happy to be a member of Birdnest Association for all I am in the birdhouse and not the nests business. If the wholesaler of birdnests want , they can take the Association and we want our Birdhouse Association or Persatuan Perusahaan Burung Walit.
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QUOTE(benchai @ Jun 11 2009, 08:01 AM)
QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jun 10 2009, 06:32 PM)
MY METHOD OF RIDDING OF SWIFTLET GUANO FROM THE BHS

BH owners with a considerable amount of guano might consider building a couple of concrete trove under shade and raising Composting Worms (African night crawlers recommended). whistling.gif

Each kilo of worms can consume 1 kg. of guano and other garden waste per day and produce 800 gm. Worm cast or worm pooh is 11 times more portent then the original bedding materials that is use to feed the worms  and sells for RM6.00 /kg.  .Worms casts  is in  high demand by organic farmers.

The worms need watering and the worm’s urine that is collected is rich with natural microbe and can be use to condition your BH and gets rid of bad smell and will act as natural aroma like those in a cave. The worms double their populations every 3 months and sells for RM350.00 per kg. ex-farm. brows.gif moneyflies.gif

Currently I have 15kg of worms in 3 troves with horse dunk as bedding. . The urine collected is diluted 1 part to 5 part water and use to spray on my orchid collections and my 1200 stands on Dragon Fruits ( Production 1.8 ton of fruits this month at average RM5.00 per KG) whistling.gif

I think this is a win win for all and environmental friendly.

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Very good suggestion and if only the authorities allow us to keep worm in the BH as the environment in the BH is suitable for the worm......dim and moist. Then,we will need not to take the shits out but just put shits into the container for worms and let worm do the breakdown of the shits and every 3/4 months, we not only harvest nests but we also harvest worms.

Anyone know if the authorities allow us to be worms farmers@town as well........good suggestion, bright idea!!!! Now, I am counting worms, too Rm350/kilo and 10 k=3500 ..not bad just from one worms' bed and what if 3B? oh...Rm10K!!!!!
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Now, alot of oil Palm estate, rubber estate and what have you have at least a BH in it....why, because it like buying "a duck that lay golden eggs" duckling and hope that it will grow up and lay golden eggs.....it will, it will if you nurture it well.

Oyes!!!!! Beware Horn Bill, they kill and eat swiftlets and they will destroy your BH if your BH isn't dark enough.............I wouldn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes...........Horn Bill jumping into BH thru entrance and out only after 15 mins and with swiftlets in their beaks. Once out of the BH, they still be able to catch swiftlets no because they can out fly swiftlets but because swiftlets be nature, tend to dive toward predators to chase the predators away and God, hundreds of swiftlets dive and the horn bills only need to open, move and snap their hugh bills...snap, snap snap and they catch the swiftlets and with a few jerks, the swiftlet is dead and down goes the swiftlet into the stomach of the horn bill.

Anyone know how to prevent this killings or what can chase the horn bill away without killing the horn bills as they are also protected species.


Added on June 13, 2009, 9:08 pm
QUOTE(swift4ever @ Jun 11 2009, 11:14 PM)
Just to elaborate with a case I knew, but definitely not trying to encourage others to emulate this newbie, he bought the top floor from developer at $60K. Took up 80% loan from bank with  $12K down payment. Forked out another $30K for renovation. 2 years later, with no alarm installed and no break-in record, he sold the BH at $180K, Either the alarm cost $3K is too expensive for him then or he knew he has no need $300.000 for this venture. He isn't a stupid newbie, is he? He is just one among others to make a killing. Price of top floor has since gone up.....
Mix guano with EM1 can probably do wonders in your worm composite as well... rclxms.gif
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It's OK, just like share market, there are speculators and there are investors. BH investment is like the share market, you can do just like it and Like me, I did once changing portfolio, selling one sucessful BH to buy into 4 new BHs.....I called that diversified and . Maybe, one day we may use phases like cut losses which I hope we may never need to use it..... I have friends who are just buy successful BHs as in this way, they will be assured of getting back their investment within 5 years with small risk....and there are people like me who like to run for the money....big money; buy new or unsuccessful ones to turn them into gold if possible....small investment, big profits but bigger risk.

Your friend is smart and if he has invested too much than he can afford, his BH may long ago be Along's BH. But he make not much, he should have make more, like 5X his investment, hahaha

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post Jun 14 2009, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jun 13 2009, 10:53 PM)
BENKEL INDUSRI WALIT organised by the HAIWAN PUSAT at very last minute instruction from the PM OFFICE at THE ROYAL BINTANG RESORT & SPA, SERAMBAN, NEGERI SEMBILAN from 14.06.09 to 17.06.09 follow by a SIRIM WORKSHOP ON THE BIRD’S NEST INDUSTRY on 18.06.09
The objective of this Benkel is for the Haiwan to hold in-depth discussions with as much industry market players such as the farmers, the traders, the exporters and the manufacturers of the nest industry throughout Malaysia including East Malaysia. This discussion is to collect information, feed backs, suggestions and proposals from those involved. The officials participating in these discussions shall compile a very comprehensive report to be submitted to the PM by July 2009.
Due to too short a time, many Associations are not notified. Only a handful has been informed. It is expected the Haiwan officials will out-number the market players. Food and lodging is provided free upon reporting for registration, rightfully on 14.06.09 from 2.30pm to 6pm. For those who have been notified late and wish to take part to voice their opinions and suggestion, they can still do so as every day, the topic in the benkel is different. All is welcome.
On 14.06.09 -730pm to 830pm-dinner, 830pm-1030pm-kata aluan and perasmiam Benkel.

On 15.06.09 & 16.06.09 730am to 1100pm/12 mid night- very tight programme, crazy huh? But will be interesting.

On 17.06.09- only half day, bersurai after lunch.

On 18.06.09- SIRIM??????????????????Details not yet available. 

Really crazy, crazy……………..but good try and well done from the HAIWAN. At least, this department is doing their best; hopefully it does help this industry.

I think the HAIWAN is making it into a Malaysian Guiness Record……………. I really admire their spirit……… They are all very nice and sincere people……….We should help them……….even if it is going to be karam-kabut………..
So, any one from here would like to join in ? Even part-time also no problem. Must give full support or at least show some support to the Haiwan official……. We already tried our best to get as many to go, but regret to say, too last minute and school just re-opened…..Understand 10 to 20 reps from Sabah and Sarawak are flying in……….What say you, Uncle Ben, West Wind, ChanK?????????? Not too late to join in, at least to say hello to old friends.

Understand DL is trying best to go too………
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Thanks for the infos and will be there unless something serious happen lah. Be seeing you all there
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QUOTE(woojia @ Jun 18 2009, 09:22 PM)
share a sad but true experience.
"i read the JAMES blog, he said how good n how powerful  the love portion in his blog, so i try it, but the end result really bad, i found that my bird leave my farm after apply it."
my friend try the LOVE Portion n told me the result are bad.
he call james n james said my frien use wrongly.wht a f*** excuse.
KNMCCB, pls beware


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Ths is the real experince of uncle BEN with the BULLSHIT LOVE PORTION.
(for ur all info, the green looking hormones is LOVE PORTION)
not only my frien, Uncle BEN also another victim.
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See...I did told you so, didn't I.....always be careful. LP or PL, what's today may not be the same as tomorrow.....cos it's mixture made in the kitchen like my XO ortion which till now, I cannot come out or remember the correct formula which was successful the first time that I use it otherwise, I will be giving you all at the cost of making it........what are friends for, I mean friends of swiftlets....hahaha

ps....my mixture is not very cheap....with main ingredient, birdnests lah......l


Added on June 20, 2009, 6:18 pmWell, we did our job @ Seremban and at least I did my best. I am really very tired and will try to rest more.

Dr. F has listened to my explaination the the altra sound is useless and she may stick to 40D at 10 M from BH.
In the workshop, I was in Workshop 1 which deal in the BH in town, Desa and Eco-P and I think that we successfully provented the demolise of BH in town and the present ones are allow to remain forever except for some not following the guildlines and some touch ups to be done. At least, we are allowed to stay in town which I beleive that's the most importance of all and for that. we need to compromise like painting our BHs, no DK or open window or bullets holes and and............... what we want is be allowed to remain in town and we will do what are require like no disturbing noice, night sound shorter time and proper maintenance and smell provention which I think we should have done and have already did if not for some F***** who don't listen and think that they only have the rights and the raayat have no right to complaints......which are the reasons that the DBL disallowed in the first place..

Our main opponants are DBT group which insist that we move but at least we have a PM and his team on our side.

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jun 20 2009, 11:45 PM)
Our main opponants are DBT group which insist that we move but at least we have a PM and his team on our side.
West Wind, I beg your pardon, it is not DBT, it is PBT (PIHAK BERKUASA TEMPATAN) or LOCAL GOVT AUTHORITIES under the KPKT (KEMENTERIAN PERUMAHAN DAN KERAJAAN TEMPATAN or the MINISTRY OF HOUSING AND LOCAL GOVT. In another word, we are talking of the Local Councils or the Majlis Tempatan.

According to DL, it is not all the Majlis officials objecting to this industry in town. It is only a fraction of the officials who failed to have the correct understanding and knowledge of this industry and what benefits this industry can bring to Malaysia. During the discussion, it was the Setiausaha of the Seramban Council invited who spoke against BHs in town. He was referring to the old proposals of the Perancang of January and March failing to know that that proposals were already amended in May. But, what ever it was, the latest amended proposal allows existing BHs to continue to operate in town centre but subjected to further detailed conditions to be negotiated. Therefore the objection by that SU in the Bengkel was un-called for and excited many participants. The Pengarahs of the JPV esp the Legal Advisor of JPV were defending the BH owners. West Wind and few others were furiously arguing and defending too for the existing owners. This SU, according to BH owners in Seramban is dead against BHs in Seramban town. Our Tiger Lee is having headach from him.
In fact, during the Bengkel, DL highlighted and corrected that the organiser, JPV (JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VETERINAR) was given by the KPKT the outdated proposal for the Bengkel.
The PM office has decided very recently to groom and to maximise this industry as one of the three HVI (HIGH VALUED INDUSTRIES) beside Arowana and the sea weed by instructing JPV under Ministry of Agriculture to play the lead role in the coordination of all depts and research study for a full report to be presented to the PM by mid July. That was the main objective of the Bengkel in which all key representatives were invited in last minutes to 'teach' them the knowledge of the industry. In fact, all reps who attended have to pay for own hotel and other expenses and some even paid for own meals. Looks like the other depts such as PERHILITAN and PBT etc are now the supporting roles. DL doubts that these depts are going to be happy and he thinks that there could be silent sabotages from them. The Bird's Nest industry in Malaysia is going to be the official 'BABY' under the JPV's care soon. DL says it is in better hand and he regards the JPV as very much more professional and friendy to the industry. All the top JPV officials are very friendy, sincere, humble, committed and dedicated. A few of the Pengarahs were so sincere, humble and honest to admit that they were new and lacked of knowledge of our trade and they invited the reps to guide and teach them so that they could help the industry to the best. DL says he couldn't believe there exist such good officials in Malaysia's Govt dept. Most of the officers he met for the past decades were arrogant and talked nonsence.
Generally, the Bengkel is something very special, positive, good and fruitful for the future of the Industry. Most participants had done their level best to give their best inputs in unity and worked real hard to rush through to complete the sacred mission. DL's comprehensive report on the industry had been printed and distributed to all participants and recommended as a 'must' reading material by the JPV. DL says this is the first time he saw real UNITY shown among all key representatives of the industry. Hopefully that such spirit should continue. This is the best and most important and productive meeting ever this industry has since its birth in Malaysia. This could be the beginning of the ending of the bureaucratic procedures with red tapes that haunted this industry since the past. Let's keep our fingers crossed to see if the JPV could really do wonder by going against the tide for the industry as promised by the Ketua Pengarah, Dato Dr Aziz of the JPV in his open ceremony speech. Indeed he is a really highly respectable, amicable, sincere and humble figure. All participants really gave him the high respect and regards after chatting with him. They are very fond of him. A truly rare breed.
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Sori, PBT OK, you see that I have this PBT guy fromSeremban on my Right and this smart gentleman on my left and only during the 2nd. days that I knew that he is PM's guy (VVIP from JPV) reporting to the PM on the workshop. I was nexst to him and he was very nice to me listening to me and telling to forward my points all the time...but this guy from PBT is dead against the BHs in town.......meaning over his dead body will he allow BHs in town until my right side guy went up to the front to explain to the floor that the PM allows the present BHs to stay and we are here to discuss ways on how to solve the problems facing the Industry and not to move the present BHs from town. After that, the 3rd. days, the PBT guy from Seremban didn't turn up. Harmonising the industry as they put it.

Most of the departments are nice to the industry although some participants don't understand much of the industry but I did explain to them during the workshop and even telling some to venture into this industry for their retirement with us giving free consultancy.....all except for this guy fom Seremban. He is gentlemen and very polite to me but 100% Anti BH in town so Seremban BHs are going to have plenty of raining days...........wet wet wet.

See, I told you all that we have our PM on our side and since the head with us, the rest do follow........with some exception hard headed. God bless PM to see us thru the storm.........


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QUOTE(chitchai @ Jun 21 2009, 02:06 AM)
Uncle westwing,
I know u r very tired after your hardwork fighting for bh in town.  I thought this idea might help to "shorten the night sound" for people, and to reduce internal amp to just one.  I don't know if anybody would be interested.

What I did (may be people already done that, sorry) was to make internal sound file of 1 hr.  After that copy them and rename them to:
06,07,08,... upto 19, to conform with the actual time we play the internal sound (19 being 7pm).  Secondly, use audacity to adjust the original file to lower output volume (50% output, use "amplify" command), and copy this in names of 20,21,22,23.

Doing this will play the loud internal from 6 - 19:00 and after that the sound will be low (very soft) from 20:00 to 23:00.  No sound after 2300.  This requires only 1 amp for internal; no need to switch amp at night, or to play 24 hrs.  Reason behind this is that night sound may be not that important, according to your suggestion.  I am using this system right now.  If anybody interested I can elaborate more, or I can do your file for free (but I might keep a copy of your internal sound, hehe).

By the way, Could you tell us what kind of internal piezo tweeters you use in your BH? (with or without coil, the MQ or the cheap kind..?)

I think many, including me, would love to know that. Also the number of tweeters recommended for 1 floor too. Thanks.
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The workshop @ Seremben disallow bird sound after 8pm and I didn't object to it and why sould I as I never use night sound for all my BHs.
As for the sound, I use my ears to determind if it is loud enough and I just tune it just the way I want and I start from there and adjust it only if the birds fail to respond....anyway, that's my way and most Sifus do feel differencely. Whether to use night sound, I determine by the shits and so far, all OK......think like a bird and from the point of the birds and you be OK, too. The workshop didn't allow DK or window type, I didn't object to that , too for all I am concerned is that they allow us to be pemanent and forever in town and not 1,2 or 3 years......and that's the only message that I want to delver and I am happy that we did......

Most importance of all, you have the rights but always remember that your neighbours do have rights, too. As the PBT guy said, you BH owners only a few hundreds, the raayat a few millions. Compromised and we want to stay but we will solve all the complaints...........think like your neighbors and you be OK, too.



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Haji of GEM shouldn't have brought the topic of All C and only he was the only M there and make the industry look like a chinese owned industry and that the M weren't given the chance in the industry and were not given opportunity to represent themselve and also there is only or look like only one M is in the industry.

It make us all look bad, sound bad and discredit us for all the effort that we have tried and successfully in getting so many Ms into the industry.

I wasn't invited but I invited myself because at the last minute, DL told me that I should be there for BH industry and I begged my bag and leave everything including my buz to be there to lend a helping hand for the sake of the industry.....why can't the Ms be there, too............. I even told DL that I need to sound like begging for the meal coupon cos I wasn't invited to the workshop and so wasn't allocated the meal coupons and Rm58 for a hotel meal!!!! I rather eat outside...

All past and we have all done our best and maybe not to all expectations but then we cannot expect all to appreciate and understanding the reasons for our words and actions there.............
We cannot pleased everyone all the time cos if we do, we end up pleasing no one....what we need to do is what we think is correct and even if some are not pleased, at least we are pleased with ourselve.
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Jun 22 2009, 02:26 PM)
Thanks guys for all the hardworks.

Another half cent input.

Do agree window and DK (to certain extend) create noise issue. Why DK to certain extend?

Answer: Many times depend how the sound travels. How many feet away your DK from your building edge. If DK directly in front/at the edge of building it will be no different from window entry.

If DK locate >20 ft away from building edge (consider flat roof top) like staircase DK at the roof top that will be another story. Noise and asthetic issue can easily be resolved. Concrete DK can solve noise issue easier compare to zink DK as sound can be contain in certain direction. Whereas zink type sound wave blast thru all direction 360 degree.

Therefore town planning dept can contribute many guildlines how to treat DK rather than just one word NO without considering many other options / alternatives.

Window type cant think of any option to solve sound and asthetic. Any good suggestion. Window curtain etc?!

Know some creative guys just open normal window. Sound only turn on at certain time at certain angle. From outside cannot even differential BH or normal house. But again if too many birds then will be eye catching and invite more complaint.

Why consider DK to certain extend? Asthetic and sound can be resolved. Open roof depend how you do also. Made it like an airwell or broken roof ie asthetically not acceptable. Reason for requesting for consideration for DK to certain extend is security is the main headache for a say 2-storey linked shophouses doing open roof. May be some security experts share view.
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PDL's objection is because they do not want any modiication and damage the appearance of the township, even the bullet holes must go. Although, noice is a serious matter and maybe you can solve the problem but can you assure that all wil follow and abide and what promises can you give. I can't or can you. Even at present, Iam facing diffiuties in gettng the BHs in to reduce th sound that cause complaints from the neighbours. One even dare me to report the matter to autorities. What I want it that the town's BHs remain not one, two or three but forever. Like using the urtra sound reccommended, although that it solve the sound problem but we all know that it's useless. Why????? What the birds hear, we hear...but what we hear,the birds hear too......so, it need the high and low to make sense to the birds............


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All of you should be there cos the whole 3 days workshop were so exciting and interesting and keep you on your toes all the time......regret that I can only be Workshop 1 ( to me, the most important workshop of all) only since we are allowed to be in one workshop for the 3 days period......Next time, if got chance, be there and you will be a better man, that's I assured you as I normally sleep thru seminar as most of seminars/conferences or what have you are boring but this one really keep me awake without any coffee.......from 8.30 to sometime 12 midnight and that's why I am so tired after the 3 days @ Seremban.
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Sorry, if I sound like selfish but then, I don't think that I am allow to forward all the workshop materials at the forum. As the conclusion and outcome of the workshop need to be forwarded to the technical department of the Pm as we are told. By exposing all materials may be bad or backlash for the industry and the results still need to be approved and finalise by the authorities.

If needed, you may PM those gentlemen attended the workshop and most probably that they will tell what you need to know about the outcome of the workshop.

My Apologies to everyone at forum. Just sum up all, we have the support of most of the government departments for now.....the future is still need to be seen....

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ Jun 27 2009, 09:27 PM)
Hmm..look like we Johorean are being put at crossroad. While we are having sleepless nights trying to catch a thief in front, some developer of swiftlet eco park is trying to stab us from the back. What would you do if that occurred to you?  Which one will you tackle first?

In my humble opinion. For thieves, when we see them running off with our nests, we fight till the last breath. As for developers,  we will fight with them when they show up themselves undisgulsed. On other note,  If our senior has shown strong interest in eco park recently, surely he can tell the good developer from the bad and we can take cue from there, can't we?  icon_question.gif
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So, you are Johorean, what are you going to do and actually, what are you all Johoreans going to do?? Be one cos' no one can help you if you didn't help yourself....even God only help those who help themselves.

I can only give you moral support and prayers, too and so are many in the forum. We don't know of any strong Poilticians and VVIPs in Johor to give you the leverage and support needed.

In Eco-Parks owners are the culprits, boycott them by not buying into their bird parks and also refusing to supply them with the new birds. Buyer knowing that they will fail if they invest in the bird park will not buy; then the Eco guys will not dare to disturb the peace............By supporting the town BHs will be a Win Win way out for otherwise, there will be no new birds to share.

Eco Park Bosses, you should know that your future lie with us, we live, you live and if we are to be force out, we will prepare to take you with
us....................

Small size Eco Parks will have a very bright future if they are willing to work hand in hand with the town's BHs with the Ecoparks as the future with the BHs@town as the present so without the PRESENT, there will be no FUTURE. Secure PRESENT, Secure FUTURE. Remember this, my Ecoparks friends.

Otherwise, Dome Days for the town's BHs now, Dome days for tomorrow's Ecoparks. Mark my words.........

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