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post Nov 16 2010, 03:35 PM

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KUALA LUMPUR: Shares of Time dotCom fell at the start of trade on Tuesday, Nov 16 after it proposed a corporate exercise but investors were unhappy with the share capital reduction and share consolidation.

At 9am, it was down 11 sen to 66 sen and there were 2.5 million shares done. Time Engineering, which had risen recently as it rode on positive news expected from Time dotCom, fell six sen to 46 sen.

The FBM KLCI was up 1.76 points to 1,503.32. Turnover was 20.12 million shars valued at RM11.9 million. There were 88 gainers, 22 losers and 84 counters unchanged.

Time dotCom is undertaking a RM339 million acquisition exercise of several companies in the telecommunication services and infrastructure industry in a bid to transform itself into a regional player. As part of the corporate exercise, it is undertaking a share capital reduction, capital repayment and the acquisition of four companies as it seeks to expand into the regional telecommunications industry.

The exercise involves a share capital reduction of its paid-up of RM2.53 billion, comprising of 2.53 billion shares of RM1 each by cancelling 90 sen of the par value, followed by a share consolidation of the 2.53 billion 10 sen shares into 506.15 million shares, on the basis of five shares of 10 sen each to one share of 50 sen each in Time dotCom.

Time dotCom also entered into two memoranda of agreements with the shareholders of Megawisra Sdn Bhd and Global Transit Ltd (Labuan) to acquire four companies for a total of RM286.5 million via the issuance of new shares and RM38.4 million cash.

The four companies are Global Transit Communications Sdn Bhd for RM106 million, Global Transit Ltd for RM105 million, Global Transit (HK) Ltd and Global Transit Singapore Pte Ltd for RM1 each and AIMS Group for RM128 million in cash and shares. It also proposed a capital repayment of RM50.61 million or two sen per TdC share.


Bravo, very goldman sachs.
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post Nov 16 2010, 03:56 PM

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well..I got no clue on what is the best solution to hold or to let go of this stock. I will seek for more expert advise before deciding. At this moment, still keep my hold to this stock...hope I'm right.
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post Nov 16 2010, 08:04 PM

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The market never like related party transaction as there is a tendency to overvalue the acquiree companies and issue undervalue shares.

In this instant, the shares to be issued are price based on the average price for the past few days and the point to note is are the companies to be acquired are priced fairly.

Even Genting will be sold down in its related party transactions.

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post Nov 17 2010, 12:41 PM

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here is the report and corporate presentation slides

http://mystockidea.blogspot.com/2010/11/ti...ion-slides.html
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post Nov 17 2010, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Nov 16 2010, 08:04 PM)
The market never like related party transaction as there is a tendency to overvalue the acquiree companies and issue undervalue shares.

In this instant, the shares to be issued are price based on the average price for the past few days and the point to note is are the companies to be acquired are priced fairly.

Even Genting will be sold down in its related party transactions.

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I agree with you totally.
I think their move to intermix few announcements together is not a wise move and get the market very nervous .
looking at the chart:
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It look like the support at at 0.595 and 0.71 will form a resistance.
A good 3Q result to be announce next week? will provide a new push to the price.
So my Short term TP: 0.71 with stop at 0.59
Good Luck
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:05 PM

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Rosdi,

To my understanding par value for this stock is RM1 and it will decrease to RM0.10 cents. So by right the current share price to be divided by 10 to reflect the latest par value which is 63 / 10 = 6.3 cent/share? There's possibility this stock may happen this way thus do you think it may happened?
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Nov 17 2010, 01:05 PM)
Rosdi,

To my understanding par value for this stock is RM1 and it will decrease to RM0.10 cents. So by right the current share price to be divided by 10 to reflect the latest par value which is 63 / 10 = 6.3 cent/share? There's possibility this stock may happen this way thus do you think it may happened?
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No it is wrong.

There would be an ex price , even higher than the day quoted before ex price.

Let say the share was trading at 60sen on the last say. The next day would be adjusted to rm 3.00 ( 60sen x 5 ).

But you would have 200 shares instead 1000 shares before the capital reduction. Maybe 10sen adjustment for money paying back to you.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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post Nov 17 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 17 2010, 01:18 PM)
No it is  wrong.

There would be an ex price , even higher than the day quoted before  ex price.

Let say the share was trading at 60sen on the last say. The next day would be adjusted to rm 3.00 ( 60sen x 5 ).

But you would have 200 shares instead 1000 shares before the capital reduction. Maybe 10sen adjustment for money paying back to you.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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well..I hope the explanations is right as I'm worried that it will resulted in further consolidation on the price as well as stocks posession later. If that's the case it's still worth to hold the stock longer.
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:32 PM

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just curious.. since timedotcom buying out global.. transit companies and dc companies..

i think the outlook for the future might be good for them.. just curious

4456 TIME
5031 TIMECOM

between those two.. how are they structured.. TIME is parent for TIMECOM ? or is it the other way around ?
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post Nov 17 2010, 01:39 PM

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We know that this company has not enough money to expand their broadband services to most Malaysians. Their Webbit was terminated, they were almost sold to STT. They sold off their 017 network to Maxis..

Question is how can this acquisition of Megawisra Sdn Bhd and Global Transit Ltd help out in realizing their expansion plans? Put it this way, they aim to be Malaysia's 2nd largest fixed line provider. All along Global Transit and Time were closely related. Even with or without the acquisition, things could also proceed as it be.

Is there some money circulation involvement going on here?
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 17 2010, 01:39 PM)
We know that this company has not enough money to expand their broadband services to most Malaysians. Their Webbit was terminated, they were almost sold to STT. They sold off their 017 network to Maxis..

Question is how can this acquisition of Megawisra Sdn Bhd and Global Transit Ltd help out in realizing their expansion plans? Put it this way, they aim to be Malaysia's 2nd largest fixed line provider. All along Global Transit and Time were closely related. Even with or without the acquisition, things could also proceed as it be.

Is there some money circulation involvement going on here?
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They have 500m worth of DIGI shares plus cash in banks.

Are you talking about 5 to 10 years ago ?

Expansion must come with a profit in mind. It is like setting up in the most remote part of E Malaysia where there is no market.

Plse go to their website to gather more information.



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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 17 2010, 01:43 PM)
They have 500m worth of DIGI shares plus cash in banks.

Are you talking about 5 to 10 years ago.

Plse go to their website to gather more information.
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This comes from the selling of their assets in exchange for the deal with DiGi previously. Building new networks and expansion would mean a start over again initiative?

Take it this way. Say I have a property which is worth RM1m when I sell it now I wouldn't be able to buy something similar but to opt for something less.

500m is peanuts to build a new fixed line network that would rival TM's.
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Nov 17 2010, 01:48 PM)
This comes from the selling of their assets in exchange for the deal with DiGi previously. Building new networks and expansion would mean a start over again initiative?

Take it this way. Say I have a property which is worth RM1m when I sell it now I wouldn't be able to buy something similar but to opt for something less.

500m is peanuts to build a new fixed line network that would rival TM's.
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Well, Timecom as I understand caters for business classes , corporate businesses as they have one of the fastest networks around.

Not everyone has to compete with TM in the same manner.

Even YTL Power comes with diff ideas.

And you need to know what types of assets they hold ( fibre optic by thousand miles ) . Not trully reflected in the share price unless someone buys over.

Just my view.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 17 2010, 01:43 PM)
They have 500m worth of DIGI shares plus cash in banks.

Are you talking about 5 to 10 years ago ?

Expansion must come with a profit in mind. It is like setting up in the most remote part of E Malaysia where there is no market.

Plse go to their website to gather more information.
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Loss on disposal of DiGi shares - RM’000 (23,052)

On 15 January 2009, the Group through its subsidiary, Hakikat Pasti Sdn Bhd disposed 22,500,000 shares held in DiGi
(“Disposal Shares”), representing about 2.9% of the then existing issued and paid-up share capital of DiGi. The total cost of
investment for the Disposal Shares was RM484.23 million (equivalent to RM21.52 per DiGi share). Nevertheless, since it first
held the Disposal Shares (i.e. 22,500,000 DiGi shares) in November 2007, the Group has received an aggregate net dividend
income of RM43.43 million (equivalent to approximately RM1.93 per share) in respect of the said shares.
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As per disclosure in 31Mar2010 quarterly report
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post Nov 17 2010, 02:11 PM

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They dont compete directly with telcos instead they lease out bandwidth hence they are on the upstream.

Retail business is just to build up their presence / brand. they dont intend to go further in retail business.

go to their website and find out what they are doing rather than buta buta speculate.
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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Nov 17 2010, 02:06 PM)
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Loss on disposal of DiGi shares - RM’000 (23,052)

On 15 January 2009, the Group through its subsidiary, Hakikat Pasti Sdn Bhd disposed 22,500,000 shares held in DiGi
(“Disposal Shares”), representing about 2.9% of the then existing issued and paid-up share capital of DiGi. The total cost of
investment for the Disposal Shares was RM484.23 million (equivalent to RM21.52 per DiGi share). Nevertheless, since it first
held the Disposal Shares (i.e. 22,500,000 DiGi shares) in November 2007, the Group has received an aggregate net dividend
income of RM43.43 million (equivalent to approximately RM1.93 per share) in respect of the said shares.
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As per disclosure in 31Mar2010 quarterly report
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How could they make a loss ? The DIGI shares were given free to them biggrin.gif

And dividends collected over the years.

And they becomes debt free after disposals.

Accounting wise, quarterly accounts maybe. icon_rolleyes.gif

Unless DIGI share price goes up forever.

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CIMB as the principal adviser has put its name on the block. By valuing some of the acquiree companies at PE of 23 to 25 is pretty high unless exponential earnings in the near term justified it.

Probably, without such a PE ratios, I dont think the venture capitalists would agree to part with their stakes and they would not accept Tdc shares also.

I hope CIMB have done their job well as they are quite selective in their jobs.

So far, no analyst of repute has come out with a positive comment on this deal.
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They can easily sell off the company to DIGI.........
for telco license....
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They can easily sell off the company to DIGI.........
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Ya, it is better to sell off the company to another capable party.

And Then let the share price jumps to rm 1.50. biggrin.gif

One report says some institution funds could be collecting in the midst of confusion faced by small timers.

Do not really like the way they do things, and let small timers suffer.

1Malaysia concept is in doubt.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 17 2010, 01:18 PM)
No it is  wrong.

There would be an ex price , even higher than the day quoted before  ex price.

Let say the share was trading at 60sen on the last say. The next day would be adjusted to rm 3.00 ( 60sen x 5 ).

But you would have 200 shares instead 1000 shares before the capital reduction. Maybe 10sen adjustment for money paying back to you.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Yes you r very right.
the par value don't have any influence on the market cap or the value of your holding.
your calculations and example is also right.

But this will not take effect immediately:
1. They have to call an EGM for approval. of most of the proposals.
2. They have to get the High Court approval for any capital reduction.
All this will take at least 6 months and for now it will be business as usual still.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 17 2010, 04:01 PM)
Ya, it is better to sell off the company to another capable party.

And Then let the share price jumps to rm 1.50. biggrin.gif

One report says some institution funds could be collecting in the midst of confusion faced by small timers.

Do not really like the way they do things, and let small timers suffer.

1Malaysia concept  is in doubt.
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As I had mention in my earlier posting:
The players in this announcement are all very friendly players.
I think their actions are just part of the grand plan set up more than one year ago.
So the surprise elements might be only to the retailers not those that had make a study on this.
This can be seen in the last 10 minutes sell down yesterday at 0.63 , the sellers are all retailers volume and the buyers are the institutions volume.
I will be very surprise if it is going to continue to slide below 0.60
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