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 Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool 4-1 MU WELL DESERVED 3 Points!

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post Feb 8 2009, 04:20 PM

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Upon seeing our starting line-up, it took me some time to realise this wasn't a league cup game. So Portsmouth are struggling and have only won 2 games under Tony Adams but with the league as stake, Rafa once again left me wondering how we could afford to leave the likes of Riera, Kuyt, Alonso and Torres on the bench. We started with 6 defenders (Skrtel,Agger, Carra, Aurelio, Dossena and Arbeloa) so forgive me for thinking we were playing at the Bernabeu. Like some of you, I have to agree that Aurelio had an awesome game, definitely one of his best in a red shirt. Benayoun was a constant threat with his mazy runs. As for Babel and N'Gog, now you know why Rafa hasn't been playing them much. I responded to a poster yesterday that expressed surprise at Rafa's exclusion of the two but like I said, Babel lacks vision while N'Gog lacks just about everything but pace. Fairplay though that both are young and will improve.

Comeback Kings
While it takes a great deal of character for a team to come from behind to take all 3 points, it raises the already high blood pressure levels of Liverpool fans, me included. Why is it we only start to play when we go a goal down? I swear to you that in some games, I'm almost wishing we would conceded early just to give the players a jolt.

Agger & Skrtel
Notice how far up the pitch they were playing this morning? Agger managed to earn a free kick near the edge of the opposition penalty box as he tried to find his way past 2 defenders. I've lost count the number of times Agger was seen bringing the ball all the way up the park. Not only did Skrtel do well defensively, he was basically parked at the half-way line as he slotted into the central right position of our 3 man defence later on in the game. He was operating almost like a right back.

I must admit that I thought it was all over after we conceded our 2nd. I was going to text my friends telling that it is now well and truly over especially since Chelsea contrived to draw against Hull at the bridge no less. Needless to say I am pretty relieved.
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post Feb 8 2009, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 8 2009, 05:43 PM)
Hmm, I beg to differ.His vision is making pass was worth mentioning.He made a couple of good passes last night.A decent 1st league start I would say.
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My observations are based on all the time I've seen him play, not just this morning. In any case, I don't thin he's ready for first team action. Yes he's been great for the French U-21 side but so were Anthony La Tallec and Florent Sinama Pongolle.
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post Feb 9 2009, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 8 2009, 06:43 PM)
personally i feel babel had a pretty good game this morning, apart from that horrendous sitter. throughout the match he made himself available for the ball and tried to create opporturnities for both himself and others, i don't think it's fair to single him out for criticisms just because of one miss.
Here's the problem I have with Babel. He holds up the ball really well, make no mistake about that. However by doing so it distruptes the momentum of the team. He may be playing to instruction but I feel that he is more concerned with beating defenders on his own rather than utilising teammates. To me he has the "Milan Baros syndrome" in that he keeps his head down and tries to do too much on his own. To be honest we were amazing against Portsmouth towards the end of the 2nd half. We were executing quick one two's to perfection. When a player keeps the ball too long, it disrupts the runs made by other players and everyone else ends up standing around waiting to see what he's going to do with the ball. He may have good individual skills but he needs to be more of a team player if you ask me.
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QUOTE(linuxskate @ Feb 9 2009, 03:37 PM)
who are they? never give a damn. lol
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They were in the papers for a number of days just last week.
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I have said before that Voronin was easily Ukraine's best player at the last World Cup. He plays best behind the front man who was at the time, Schevchenko. The problem I see with him returning is that he won't often have a front man to play off with Rafa's preference to play a lone striker. If he does get the nod to play, Voronin will likely be thrust out wide left or right. It isn't a matter of whether or not he's a good player, it's a matter of whether or not he'll fit into the team.
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post Feb 10 2009, 10:25 AM

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I'm sure most of you would have heard the expression that football is a religion. Well just take it up with this bloke if you disagree.

Having a high tolerance for pain is useful being a Liverpool supporter in this day and age smile.gif

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QUOTE(Vagine @ Feb 10 2009, 11:01 AM)
seriously! lol...
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I admire the dedication, I really do. In any case it looks like we're in need of some divine intervention.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 02:17 PM)
well, woke up today and read the news that scolari got sacked after merely 7 months into his job as chelsea manager.

perhaps it's a good thing for the rival clubs, without a manager right when we're about to begin the UCL knock-out stage, and with the team on the slide down the table.

it's still the most shocking thing, seeing aston villa steadily climb up the table to third place now, and dangerously close too in terms of points gathered. maybe gareth barry's failed transfer in the summer was a blessing in disguise (for himself, obviously).

would definitely like to see aston villa playing UCL football next season and see how do they fare. with the crop of english players in their squad, it's a very well-assembled team chasing right behind our back.
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Before we played Chelsea, a friend of mine had said to me, "Let's just lose to Chelsea and help them chase the mancs". Before anyone starts questioning his allegiance, this is someone who has been a fan for 30 years, chose to study law in Liverpool of all places just to be close to the team, has been to Anfield numerous times to watch games including standing at the Kop, and opened his own Liverpool pub in Pee Jay. It made sense to me as I personally would like to see anyone win the league rather than the mancs. I'm not sure how many can relate to this because I've come across posters who hate Chelsea more but if you consider how long we can been at war with the red half of Manchester, there is only one real foe especially when they are just 1 league championship away from equalling our record.

The rivalry between Liverpool and Man Utd runs long and deep, some say back to the days when both ports were competing for economic superiority. The thought of them winning anything at all sickens me, it really does. Some may say that the first salvo was fired by Fergie when he proclaimed he would knock us off our f-king perch but up until now all we've managed to do is to prove him right. Leading the league for a first time in a long time gave most of up some hope that we would finally shove those words down his throat but it would seem that status quo has resumed. Many mancs claim that our fans are arrogant and conceited but it wasn't our manager that first fired a salvo deep into our hearts. I am loinging for payback but it would seem that we are ill equipped to do so at the moment which is why the thought of Chelsea or Villa stringing together a sequence of victories doesn't exactly strike terror in me. However with Chelsea in indifferent form and Villa's ability to go the mile in doubt, it would seem that we are in need of divine intervention indeed.

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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 03:18 PM)
i am not in denial that man utd will have to lose it for us to have chances of putting in a fair fight for the title this season. whille i'd prefer to see teams like chelsea, arsenal or even everton win the league rather than utd (provided that we're out of the running), i would love it even more if we're the one who's going to knock them off the top.


Indeed, there is nothing I would like more than to do the deed ourselves.

QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Feb 10 2009, 03:18 PM)
i understand the rivalry between the two clubs, and although i dislike man utd fans (not the team, really, just the fans), i think i'm not really an anti-man utd supporter like many others. if man utd play well and win, i'd have no problems congratulating them.


The weird thing is that I've on more than a couple of occasions, been neutral on their thread but have been accused of being 'fake', albeit by some and not all of their posters. I find it laughable that some have so much resentment in them that it's inconceivable a rival fan can have an unbiased opinion. In the end, I'd like to think that most human beings are logical thinkers and can at times, remove emotion from the equation when making decisions or sharing opinions. It has to be known that if I make a pro-Liverpool comment, it's not always because I'm blowing our own horn and vice versa. It may genuinely just be my opinion.

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Well we can all speculate on why Rafa didn't think that Keane was right for the squad but none of us know how he performs during training sessions. Rafa was brave enough to sell players that won us the Champions League the very next season like Smicer, Baros, Cisse and Didi Hamann with none of them making the headlines after leaving so who knows? Let's just see if Keane starts firing on all cylinders for Spurs again before being too judgementel.

On the issue of players being selfish, yes you can be provided you are that good. There are 38 league games in a season and given how small the margin for error is, you just cannot afford to take too many risks and have young players try to do too much on their own. People may cite examples like Lionel Messi, C. Ronaldo, Kun Aguero or whoever but take into consideration that there are a whole host of other young players that turn out to be average and nothing more. If they don't cut it in training or for the reserves, chances are they won't againt higher quality opposition.
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I agree with solstice in that I'd prefer a team player over an individual one any time of the day. Why is Dirk Kuyt and automatic choice with Rafa? Simply because he puts the team first. He works tirelessly to win the ball back the create opportunities for teammates. He also makes intelligent runs in behind defenders to pull them all over the place, creating space for teammates. I think that there are a good number of people who don't recognise this and therefore don't see what he brings to the team. Anyway not to digress. Babel still has someways to go in his career but he needs to start learning to use him teammates more much like Ronaldo has.
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The thing Babel has to realise is that it's almost impossible to penetrate a thick defensive wall on his own. If it's an open game or he's playing on the counter, he has the luxury of time and space where defenders have to track back to mark him. When playing against deep defences however, defenders are already on him and if he passes one, he immediately comes up against another one as they are stacked together. In these situations it's better he gets rids of the ball and uses his strenght and speed to beat defenders off the ball and get into open spaces.
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Has anyone seen this article yet? If not here you go.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle5703041.ece

I'm only listing players I've seen because I don't think youtube vids are a realiable source. Being a fan only in 1988, I didn't have the privilege of watching King Kenny play.

1) John Barnes - One of the reasons I started supporting the club. They talk about Beckham's right foot but if the old 1st Division were aired as widely and often as the EPL these days, people would be talking about Barnes' left foot!

2) Ian Rush - nuff said already. Best finisher we ever had bar none. Well my next pick comes close.

3) Robbie Fowler - What a sight it was to see both him and Rushie play. Could score with his back to goal and like Carra is red through and through. Anyone remember the four and even five finger salutes? He wasn't even playing for us at the time!

4) Jamie Carragher - consumate professional. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in heart, and you can't put a price on that. Avoids the limelight and leads an honest, simple life.

5) Steven Gerrard - Martin Tyler summed it up best when he said, "Steven Gerrard, one man task force".

Other worthy mentions...

1) Peter Beardsley
2) Sami Hyypia
3) Rob Jones - one wonders what might have been if injury had not cut his career short.
4) Ray Houghton
5) Alan Hansen


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Because they know we struggle against compact defences while the mancs are equipped to tear them apart, hence nothing to lose?
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My thoughts:

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Title Aspirations
Benitez has come out to say that it isn't over but in reality the fat lady has probably already recorded a single, only that it hasn't yet been released. We are 7 points adrift and need to beat the mancs in their own backyard to have any realistic chance. This feat is made more difficult by the fact that we need to win all our remaining games and hope that the mancs lose at least another 2. This novel may have started out as "fiction" but you can now find it under the "fantasy' category.

Here are the games the mancs have left:

Away
1) Newcastle
2) Fulham
3) Sunderland
4) Wigan
5) Middlesborough
6) Hull

Home
1) Liverpool
2) Spurs
3) Manchester City
4) Arsenal

How many points do you see them dropping?

Here is our list of games to come:

Away
1) Middlesborough
2) Manchester United
3) Fulham
4) Hull City
5) West Ham
6) West Brom

Home
1) Sunderland
2) Aston Villa
3) Blackburn
4) Arsenal
5) Newcastle
6) Spurs

Anyone fance us at home against ANY of the sides listed there?

Last Night
The game against City was as expected, a frustrating one. We were held by a side that travels worse than Dennis Bergkamp and have lost away to sides like Stoke and Hull City. Yes we had posession but yet again, we were found lacking in the final third. Torres was outnumbered and received very little support. With Mascherano playing deep and Lucas running about aimlessly, it was left only to Benayoun, Kuyt and Riera to support Torres. We may have dominated the first half but Man City looked more dangerous at the start of the 2nd and we hardly tested Shay Given until the final quarter of the game. I have the following questions:

1) What the hell happened to us at the start of the 2nd half?
2) What possible reason could there be to take Mascherano out in favour of Lucas?
3) Now you understand why I've been giving Babel all this stick, and why Rafa hasn't been playing him?
4) Why can't be start with the same amount of urgency we start games with?

The only positive for me was that Craig Bellamy had the decency not to celebrate after scoring.

The reality of it is this; that the mancs will have equalled our record of having 18 league championships. That Alex Ferguson is on the brink of ,"knocking off us our fking perch". By the end of the season, they would be sharing that same fking perch with us and if trends are anything to go by, we may soon do a humpty dumpty but it remains to be seen if anyone will pick the pieces up.

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Waking up this morning after yet another European night, an imaginary bright ray of red ripped through the thick gloomy clouds that filled the skies. One could associate the darken skies to how Real must be feeling after being beaten for the first time this year, after having scored 10 goals in their last 2 games. There was an obvious stark contrast in form coming into this game with Real having hit 6 past Betis in a game that was effectively over by half time while we struggled to find a way past a side with one of the worst away records in the league. It wasn't a game for the purists but games between two European titans often turn out to be a chess match with so much as stake. Both are arguably out of the title race in their respective leagues and success in Europe will be a much welcomed saving grace. I think it's been proven time and time again that albeit what our opponents may say, we fear NO ONE in Europe. Ronaldinho once famously said that no English club would go through to the semi-finals a few seasons ago and what happened? 3 English clubs made it to the last 4. Now VDV claimed we would be afraid and what happened? We were both assured and calm. We did play a defensive game but to be honest, we were so composed in defense that I rarely felt any tension at all! The naysayers would say that we parked the bus but hey, we still managed only 1 shot less on target that Real Madrid, and more importantly, we scored.

Observations

1) Standout Performers
Dirk Kuyt - Another workmanlike performance from our reliable Dutch.
Martin Skrtel - Had an excellent game in my books. I think he even overshadowed Carragher in this one. Cleared EVERY aerial threat and didn't give Raul a sniff at goal.
Javier Mascherano - Constantly harrased any white player on the ball.
Fabio Aurelio - Never thought I'd be praising his defensive prowess but he got really stuck in and put in a couple of strong challenges.

2) I couldn't help but think that Real Madrid would struggle against a side like Hull given how uncomfortable their backline looked when dealing with high balls. I've always said that I don't think Cannavaro will cut it in the Premiership given the number of long balls played and I think he was finding it really uncomfortable last night. You got the feeling that we always had a chance from set-pieces and it wasn't really a surprise that one of our smallest players on the pitch managed to head the ball in from a free kick no less, where you have time to organise your defence.


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QUOTE(gidlcin @ Feb 26 2009, 10:19 AM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif  what a nice summary  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
anyway yes! 3 huors sleep! and now my eye's is damm pain!
somemore just gave a short speach(report) to my sales man,
and they ask me, " u tengok bola semalam ka?"
i was like  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  "Ya,..."
Same thing happened to me! I was having breakfast with our Commercial Director and a couple of colleagues. He looked at the Liverbird emblazoned upon my left chest. He then switched his gaze to the right where I have my "King's of Europe' badge with 5 stars under it. Finally, he looked up at me and went, " so you watched the game this morning eh?".

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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Feb 26 2009, 11:20 AM)
haha babel should play more in striker role....
Well I honestly didn't see him do much else other than chase down lost causes. He does better when we are defending a lead because he does hold up the ball well. It's different when we are looking for a goal which has often been the case especially at home this season. When we are chasing the game, he really distrupts the momentum of our attack by trying to do too much on his own.

While we revel in this victory, I don't think we should get too carried away. I mean in recent season Marseille and Benfica have come away with wins at Anfield. Olympiacos almost knocked us out as well with an early goal back in 2005. Barcelona scrapped out a 1-0 win after losing 2-1 at home so anything can happen. Expect Real to be a different force when they come to Anfield.
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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Feb 26 2009, 02:17 PM)
real fans are "membebel a lot" about our ugly games..huhuhuhu..

very funny...they really "kutuk2" our teams..

but..mayb there right..we do not play beatiful football..but that is benitez tactic..not the teams fault..

aiiyaaa!
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Dude, water off stone. Beauty is only skin deep isn't it? Why fault English clubs for playing tactical football when the 5 games they lost in the La Liga this season was to Spanish opposition? Did they all play boring tactical football? Maybe only the top two in La Liga play attractive, beautiful football then?
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Mates I think you should refrain from using "they" as I see only one real undignified poster there at this point.
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Immediately after the jubilation of beating Real Madrid in their own backyard, I received a text message from a fellow red. It read, "Want to bet we follow this win up with a drab performance against Borough?". In truth it was become all too predictable as we struggled once again against lowly opposition. After having drawn sides in the bottom quarter of the table at home, we proved yet again that we are at the very least consistent, this time being brushed aside by a side that was second from bottom prior to kickoff. The critics will once again question Rafa's decision to sell Roy Keane, our only other recognised striker when we were fighting for the title. Our finishing last night was woeful and in truth, we brought the result upon ourselves.

Unfortunately I had to catch last night's game without the company of MyRAWK as I had to attend a friend's birthday party. I was surrounded by Mancs who were intent on making it a miserable night for anyone with a Liverbird on their chest. After Borough had gone one up, two such specimens walked up to me and started doing the lamest of jigs in my face while physically poking me on the chest. Their classless act was met by a prompt and stern, "Don't Fck with me". I was left alone until the end of the game when one of them told another this, "I may not watch our games. We can lose to anyone as long as we don't lose to them!". Frankly, I would be ashamed of such a statement if I were a Manc. It just reinforced the stereotype I have of some Mancs sucking the same air I am. In contrast a more pragmatic Manc I know send me an SMS that read, "Most Utd fans will start gloating and talking trash... But I think March 14th will be crucial". Perhaps he was just expressing sympathy because as I mentioned in my post 2 weeks ago, the fat lady has already recorded a single and is just waiting for it to be released.

There is no question in my mind now that the Mancs will win their 18th league championship, effectively putting them on the same fcking perch Fergie wanted to knock us off. He is now just one more season away from doing just that if things continue the way they are. I was hoping that the demise of Rick Parry would have spurred the lads on to get a positive result last night but maybe the euphoria will take some time to have effect. A couple of guys I know were in tears last night as our expectations were raised to a new high this season. I am proud of these lads because I know it means just that much to them, and in truth, not many will be able to relate. Don't make the mistake of thinking that these tears were shed simply because we lost a football game. These tears were shed because they simply could not stand seeing someone they love so much, fall from grace. It was not because of self pity. I received another message from another fellow fan that read, "Dude, my BP is seriously fooked and I'm taking meds. Bursat a some blood vessels for sure. Just ruined my wife's birthday with my mood". Incidentally the said wife is a Manc. Some people may say that these are acts of stupidity. To this, I only have to say that these people just haven't found something they love enough. There should only be two reactions to winning or losing if you ask me. Extreme joy, or extreme despair. Those that experience the in-between either haven't developed an affinity or are afraid to simply because of the contrasting emotions that will be experienced.

It isn't all doom and gloom mates. Do not stray from your path. In times like this it's important to stand tall and hold your chin up. I'm going to 1 U today and if you are there, please look out for a guy with Ah Beng looking brown hair, with his Liverpool kit on. Please feel free to say "hi"if you witness my act of defiance. Here's an article that will lift your spirits.

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Think about these words:

When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.

I've been there when it was dark mates and I can tell you, the sun will shine at some point. To me it was in Istanbul. I've said before that the one thing that differentiates us from any rival fans, it's that some of us have been through dark times. I can assure you that no rival poster here have had a similar experience. Things have only gotten better and better for them since the early 90s. You have been tried, tested and you are still here. To you it isn't simply about winning or watching "beautiful football". It is about supporting something that represents the values you want need in life.

At the end of a storm,
There's a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed and blown...
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never walk alone.
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone...
You'll never walk alone.


I urge you once again mates to hold your heads up high and be dignified in defeat. You will come across a few funny stares and girly giggles but what bigger statement could there be that you are a fan who stands by his team especially in defeat? It is during these times that the club and it's players need you the most, don't abandon them. Show your support today by flying our colours when you go out today. You are ambassadors of a club that has a long and proud history, never forget that. You are one of Shankly's men. Do us proud






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