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 Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool 4-1 MU WELL DESERVED 3 Points!

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post Mar 1 2009, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(normeck @ Mar 1 2009, 12:10 PM)
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if we not have the title for this decade...lets hope our children to feel/have it....
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We simply cannot lose hope, it is what keeps us going. I brought up the word "history" again, why? Today's present will be tomorrow's past. Success and failure is temporary. If we are only support the club because of results, I can assure you, we will stray. This is why I feel history is so important. When results don't go our way, it is imperative we find something to hold on to. Those who don't, simply don't want to care. Our loyalties will once again be tested but like I said, it is a test many of us have already studied for, so let us ace it.

This paragraph to me sums up how I feel in defeat.

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Strangely enough the singing of YNWA that sticks out most in my mind from last season was probably on the lowest day! Any defeat to the Mancs hurts like hell. Losing 4-0 is just horrible, and something I don't want to experience again, yet with a couple of minutes to go, 4-0 down to our most hated rivals, the first few bars of our song echoedout from the travelling supporters still in the ground. I look around to see fists clenched, faces contorted, veins bulging as 'You'll Never Walk Alone' booms out in sheer defiance, as the pride in our club remains, despite the poor result on the day. How many clubs would still be singing in those circumstances?


This is what differentiates us.

Our rivals will claim that we are just trying to console ourselves and maybe we are. What matters in the end is that we do what we must to ensure our loyalty remains intact. Let their loyalites be tested when the time comes because trust me, it will. It isn't about how many times you fall mate, it's about how high you bounce back.

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post Mar 1 2009, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Mar 1 2009, 01:22 PM)
hahah..u r  rafa supporter..i hate rafa..not the team..do you think all the koop will like rafa because they r liverpool fan..even the koop in the liverpool official site angry with him...

if u cant accept other opinion..i think u should  get lost from this forum mate.... mad.gif

i think rafa is your father right..hey everybody..rafa son is here..!gud lark to your father..go support your father team nex season your rafa maniac.. thumbup.gif
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I've posted my reservations of Rafa before and therefore respect your opinion but can you please at least spell "The Kop" right??? Just to add, "Kop" doesn't mean Liverpool fan. It is a stand @ Anfield. People who sit at the Kop are Kopites. It's getting a little too embarrasing. You mispelt it in a previous post but I though it was just a typo until you contrived to do it twice in one post!
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post Mar 2 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 1 2009, 11:00 PM)
@duke and the rest of the myrawk lads...
i admire your unwavering support for the cause, but it does seem to me anyways that there is precious little of what i feel is liverpool's soul left... not being in the title race anymore is a disappointing, but the root of the problem lies not in the performances on the pitch, it is the stready erosion of the values that once stood for liverpool.

as much as i must admit and thank rafa for giving Liverpool that spank in the butt wake up call, i feel that he has brought the team as far as he could, and his unbecoming (in my eyes) demeanor further polarises the supporters and tears apart what Liverpool stands for. imho he should go, with much gratitude and thanks of course.
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I've already articulated my thoughts on Rafa.

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I wrote the piece above as we were nearing the end of last season and suffice to say, my opinion hasn't really changed. We are marginally better off than where we were last season and the only reason we are still third is because Arsenal have fallen off the pace as has Chelsea. In short, we have not made any improvements. Home draws against Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Hull and such effectively ended our challenge weeks ago. The mediocre performance as the Riverside was nothing short of embarrasing.

All that being said, Rafa has now been given total freedom to manage the affairs of players since Rick Parry is now "stepping down". Is it merely a problem with the players however? We may not have the best players in the league but can we also not say that pound for pound, we have players like Reina, Carra, Skrtel, Arbeloa, Alonso, Gerrard, Torres, Riera and Benayoun that would trump a good majority of the players from the sides mentioned in the paragraph before this?

On another note, the Mancs won what they termed as the "Worth Nothing Cup" when we last won it. Doubt they'd be calling it now eh? Fairplay that they fielded a couple of reserves to beat them but hey, we did the same to Spurs 4 seasons ago with virtually no first teamers.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Mar 2 2009, 03:37 PM)
"sunat" in english what aa?? circumcise?...haha
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In this case we are not talking about lopping off his foreskin. He spoke about cutting it off and hence the correct term would be, "castrate".
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post Mar 5 2009, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Mar 5 2009, 03:29 PM)
lol..just want to share the news..y so emotional..nothing personal..huhu icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 5 2009, 03:44 PM)
It is not about 'being emotional'.

It is about Liverpool, the club and what it stands for. Liverpool FC has always been more than football. It is true that success is much appreciated and is part and parcel of being a football club, Liverpool FC is a lot more than that. It is about the sense of belonging and camaraderie amongst its supporters and the rapport between fans and the team.

At any rate, April 15 but a few short weeks away, so some of you guys might be interested in reading this. They have included segments from the respective autobiographies and these are meaningful pieces.
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Precisely. I don't expect all fans to know everything about LFC, heck I don't but there are just some things that you simply MUST know. It is the equivalent of Mancs not knowing about the Munich Air Disaster. In my opinion it is simply unacceptable not to know about such landmark moments in your clubs history. I'm not adopting a "higher than thou" attitude here but it's sad when I see people reinforcing the misconception fans in the UK have about foreign supporters not knowing anything about the club. Why so emotional? Read up on Hillsborough and see how the family members feel about it, and about the Sun.
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post Mar 6 2009, 09:58 AM

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On the issue for Liverpool not coming to Malaysia, I think it has been speculated to death. There should be no issue with playing without the Carlsberg logo. We've done it twice in Europe on French soil as they have banned liquor ads on television. I used to think that it was because of Avi Cohen, Ronnie Rosenthal and Yossi Benayoung but then Chelsea came when they had Talal Ben Haim on their roster, and Avram Grant at the helm so that debunked the theory I supported. Having said that their visit here was highly disliked by a section of the Muslim community, PAS in particular but KJ is a Chelsea fan so some strings were pulled. Perhaps we need a fan in high areas for us to visit? Then again those in high areas do not display the traits I would like to see in a Liverpool fan so perhaps it's best they support our rivals. I'll make the trip to Singapore instead.

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well everyone started off supporting livpool for its football obviously...but its sorta like the love for the club grows in you and u sorta get the whole picture....its not just the appreciation of the football, its more than that....the way of livpool, its tradition, the shankly's legacy, the paisleys glory, the human side of footballing n etc etc...u gotta hav the complete package...

if u mean by taking on the, what u called as the livpool idealism, means that u r a irrational fanatic...u are wrong...coz i think true red livpool fans hang out and mingle better with the more knowledgeable rival fans (ie man utd's)....it is only when one side is shallow, and ignorant that makes things heated up most of the time...

so good to start ur passage as a livpool fan with....rule no1.....NO S|_| N NEWSPAPER! (god-forbid)


Hear hear. I've never encountered problems with knowledgeble rival fans, even those I meet for the first time. There is always a begrudging respect between us. It's when you meet empty vessels that run their mouths of for the sake of attention or whatever that I feel like using his head as a golf ball. To me it's like a Nokia salesman trying to sell you a phone but not knowing it's features. I'm sure some of you have been there. You ask the salesman a question about the item on sale and he goes, "eh tak tau lah, kena tanya manager", or something to that effect. It's frustrating man. How can you represent something you know nothing about? Needless to say, the said salesman lacks a great deal of credibility and it's hard to take him seriously. How's it different from representing a football club?

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Let us not get into an argument regarding the Jews and Muslims who just so happen to share similar practices. The war for the holy land dates back centuries and many do not even realise who threw the first punch.

I'm just wondering if Liverpool will still not be allowed in seeing as Chelsea were.

Gerrardinho, sounds like a good idea if we can get enough people to go. To drive up and down for a day trip is really taxing, especially since we'll probably be going by bus. Need to put up there if we go.
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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Mar 6 2009, 04:05 PM)
please stop the jewish and muslims topic..cause its really sensitif to muslims..we choose our relogion than any other thing..hope u guys from others religion understand..back to topic of liverpool please..
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post Mar 7 2009, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(blinky @ Mar 7 2009, 10:47 AM)
Off topic: Off to Anfield in 3 week's time!  rclxm9.gif
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Fantastic mate, you'll be in tears I'm sure. You could proceed to booking your stadium tour now just in case if you haven't already. Hope you get to see some of the lads at Melwood. Try to get an autograph mate! Gosh I really wish I could go again... Take some pictures and share them when you're back.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 10 2009, 01:14 AM)
where got fighting la...we not rempit crowd tongue.gif

last liv-manu match also a few manu fans came to watch in breakers.
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I concur, there will be no fighting, that is unless you provoke one lah.

Was @ the Curve yesterday and I must have seen at least 6 mancs, including one poor toddler. Didn't see any fellow reds sigh... Wore my "Shankly" T-Shirt so I doubt most of them realised what team I support smile.gif
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QUOTE(akRia @ Mar 10 2009, 12:13 PM)
shocking.gif myrawk go so rich jor la?

whistling.gif they should start posting lui from myrawk + breakers to attract ppl go lo
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The phone will be sponsored by a partner out of good will. Looking at giving away a LFC kit as well as other stuff but it all means jack if you don't come smile.gif
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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Mar 10 2009, 04:46 PM)
Too bad I can't come, have a birthday dinner to attend that night. As for sponsorships, who should I contact if I have something I wanna sponsor?
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Err what do you have to offer?
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QUOTE(Fyrekat @ Mar 10 2009, 05:16 PM)
I have an extra scarf that I'm sure someone would be able to put to good use  smile.gif
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Aren't you in Ipoh? In any case, not point in giving out too many items in one event lah. Champions League Final viewing perhaps? *fingers crossed*
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It really puzzles me how a team that can lose to Middlesbrough who were 2nd from bottom at the time, struggle to score at home against teams like Hull, Fulham and Wigan can annihilate 9 times European Champions, Real Madrid. Some may say that it's because Madrid came to Anfield having to score and pushed forward, leaving themselves vulnerable at the back. Well they were indeed vulnerable in both legs. Pepe and Cannavaro were disappointing in both fixtures. Having said that, I have to commend Rafa for instructing the team to go for the early goal. I expected us to sit back and invite Madrid on looking to break with the pace of Babel and Torres and low and behold, Rafa surprised me again by going on the offensive. Real looked rattled and struggled to cope with the tempo of the game we had set. If not for Casillas, we could have been 2 nil up inside the first 5 minutes.

Overall I'd say Aurelio had another solid game. He got forward when it mattered and was reliable in defence. I'm really surprised by how much he's improved this season. Mascherano was another that deserves a mention. He provided excellent cover for the back four and worked his socks off breaking up play at every opportunity. What surprised me was how good Torres looked, especially after just recovering from injury. His deft touch at the beginning of the game bamboozled Cannavaro and only an instinctive save from Casillas prevented him from scoring. Ryan Babel had a fine game but as usual, his best performances are when we are defending a lead, not when we are looking to break down tight defences. Having said that, I'm glad he's taken some heat of himself.

Where we lucky? Well the penalty was harsh and should not have been awarded but it remains to be seen if Torres' tug on Pepe was strong enough to bring down the big defender. In truth though I don't think many neutrals will argue that we deserved the win simply because we took the game to Real when many expected us to defend. The game stats flashed on the screen after the first 30 mins and this is what I saw. Shots on goal 8, shots on target 6, and they weren't half chances either. Nuff said. Who's afraid again?


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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 11 2009, 08:47 AM)
Ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe its the players themselves whom are not able to play attacking football consistently and are letting themselves down? Rafa fields the team and decide the tactics, but its down to the players to execute them.
Somet thought has to be given then into who bought the players? I you bought a second hand car and it turned out to be a lemon, do you blame the seller or yourself for not checking first? You may not be a mechanic but to keep things in context, Rafa is in this sense.
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QUOTE(stacko @ Mar 11 2009, 11:28 AM)
I thought Hyppia was not registered for CL, why was he on the bench?
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He wasn't registered for the group phase but since Keane left, we had an extra spot and he was registered for the group stages. Yes, you can make changes prior to the group stage of the competition.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 11 2009, 01:40 PM)
Mate i wasnt implying at their lack of abilities but rather the issues of form, mentality and injuries.
While I agree the manager cannot be held totally accountable for the factors above, I do believer he has some degree of control over it. The saying "form is temporary but class is permanent" rings true, which is why big clubs try to have at least 2 players for each position. It also helps ease the worries of losing players to injury, when you know you have a reliable back up. If a manager doesn't prepare for this then to some degree, he has to be held accountable in my opinion. When buying a player, I think managers do look at a players attitude or mentality which is why Rafa always says that he is looking for the "right" player. It isn't a coincidence that Craig Bellamy, Robbie Keane, Jermaine Pennant and Fernando Torres just so happen to be boyhood Liverpool fans that want/wanted to play for the club. Once again, I think that to some degree it's the manager's fault if he signs a sulk ala Anelka.

QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 11 2009, 01:40 PM)
So why cant Babel do that against Wigan or Masc having that kind of energy to screen the back 4 from even the slightest threats.
My take is that Babel isn't as effective against teams that are defending. Reason being he cannot utilise his pace and there is very little room for him to operate, as he is often crowded out. He likes spending a lot of time on the ball and when he is open out wide, his skill and trickery is difficult to defend against. When faced with a wall of defenders however, teams need to rely less on individual talent and more on team work to break them down with quick one-two's and intelligent off-the-ball movement too make space. This is where Babel struggles because he likes the ball at his feet all the time. This is precisely why he struggles against Middlesbrough, Wigan, Hull, etc, bottom sides set out on a damage limitation exercise.

QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 11 2009, 01:40 PM)
Torres last night was immense and its actually the first time this season ive seen him play so menacingly like he was last season. You have to admit the players have at times performed badly and have let themselves down. Missed chances, lack of nerve and off form are not the fault of the manager.
Agreed but it can't always be a coincidence when the whole team plays badly. It can't be that everyone just so happens to be off form, or is nervous at the same time.


Added on March 11, 2009, 3:01 pmGood article by Richard Jolly here:

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Jay Spearing entered the field with the reputation of being a Steven Gerrard like player. Then again they say the same thing about Lucas eh? Some of you are right to point out how tenacious he was after coming on. He showed no signs of nerves and was not overawed by the occasion, but then again we were already sailing by that point. His problem is that we already have a congested midfield with Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Plessis and Lucas vying for spots in the centre of the park. Gerrard may be removed from the equation given that he's been played further up-front in support of Torres but it will be an issue if we buy our Spaniard a strike partner.
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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Mar 11 2009, 08:58 PM)
found a good article here

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This is a brilliantly written if not biased article. There isn't a doubt that this result in particular sent shockwaves through Europe. So much so that the Star had no choice but to publish articles putting us in a positive light because in truth, they had little choice as almost every source echoed similar sentiments. All four English sides may have made it through but if you were to pick a tie that had the most potential to put a dent in English hopes, it had to be this one. Italian sides have fared really poorly against English opposition in recent times, with the exception of AC Milan of course. I personally did not see Juventus, Roma or Inter Milan coming out victorious in their ties. Heck if we could get the better of Juve and Inter, surely our domestic rivals can.

It's no coincidence that we've been most impressive this season when we've been on the attack from the get go. It may be an issue with fitness but I cannot help but wonder why we don't play with the same level of urgency each time. I have said that in order to break down layers of defenders is to play quick passes and to make intelligent runs behind them, and I really thought we were incapable of this until last night. The deft touches and neat layoffs were a sight to withold.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves though. While I admire the confident display we put out, I'm afraid of crossing the line of complacency. Just a fortnight ago, we contrived to lose against relegation battlers after coming away victorious from one of Europe's most famous arenas, and Old Trafford isn't exactly the Riverside. Come on lads! Let's hit them from the start! Our Premiership hopes may be all but over but we still have our pride to play for.

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Like abogee I do think that there will be some 'banter' after the game and expectedly so. I think it adds spice to the game which is why I've never personally used the "report" button. We are at the disadvantage though because win or lose, the mancs will lay claim to the fact that they are still someways in front.

As for the manc loving media, I'd have to agree with hfi. The only guy we can count on is Daryl Goh from the Star, whom I went to Anfield with. I've not seen him predict a loss of us so far in the EPL pullout smile.gif

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