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Gneba360
post Jan 14 2011, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 2 2010, 09:34 PM)
This is a 'cut n paste' from another forum (flylah.com):

It is now official that the DCAM Part 66 will come in force as of 1st. January 2011.
Full implementation in January 2016.

Current AMEL will be renewed as per the new Part 66 format license and will have limitations(16 limitations to start with at max)
The AMEL is now AML(Aircraft Maintenance License) as Cat A is a certifying mechanic.
The grace period to remove/comply with these limitations is by 2015. If lapsed, you will no longer be able to exercise the priviledges.(All applicable modules to be cleared within 5 years.)

First exam complying to Part 66 will commence July 2011.
Final exam with BCAR Section L format is on 30th June 2011.
Only Cat A and Cat B are catered for. NO Cat. C as the current regulations with CRS-SMI and CMR signatories satisfy the current regulations.
New AN numbering system will be developed.
There would be a requirement for English proficiency which will be established at a later date.

Any exemptions to the modules will be case to case basis which the DCAM will decide.
Max of 3 resits per year. 90 days to lapse for next resit if failed, 30 days if from an ATO( Approved Training Organization)
Fees: RM100 for first 2 modules, RM100 for subsequent modules.
ORAL examination will be ABOLISHED.


Working on foreign aircrafts is acceptable but it must be validated by a validator approved by DCAM.
Type ratings by DCA is under DCAM purview, so are group ratings.
'Grandfather' rights shall remain.
Authorizations will be under DCAM's discretion.
Foreign license conversions as per AN7, however the DCA recognize only 5 regulatory bodies/countries: UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Brunei.
Compass compensation and adjustments only to those currently endorsed. Otherwise it's under limitations of license.

ATO under AN85 will be approved under Part 147 with limitations until such time the limitations are complied with.
Assessor and validator must be defined, nominated in the MTOE and approved by DCAM.
A person can be both assessor and validator, but must not validate his own assessments! biggrin.gif
Use CAA CAP 741 for log of work for the time being. DCA will meet with the industry to establish the future format.

DCAM will conduct ALL exams. An ATO may be approved to conduct examinations.

Any questions email to amel66@dca.gov.my
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Jazzy,
is the plan is still on time? First DCA Part66 exam by July? You stated that the new DCA Part66 will come in force by 1st Jan 2011, so has it already applied? Or is it just mere talks? Because yesterday an instructor of mine told me that it will only commence next year. So i thought i'll ask you smile.gif

Oh one more thing, what is 'Grandfathers' right? sweat.gif

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post Jan 14 2011, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 14 2011, 06:49 AM)
Its already official and the exam schedule starts this month! Read AN1101.
Go to DCA's webpage for more details.
Tell your instructor its already 2011! He may thinks he's still in 2010!
Ask him to read the AN1101 before putting his feet in his mouth again. laugh.gif

Grandfather's right means, what is yours, is yours and will not be taken back or withdrawn until you expire.
This is pertaining to type rating endorsements in the AMEL wink.gif
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I will surely ask him to do that if he is not my instructor haha. One more thing, in the AN, it doesn't state what is the fee per module. All I can find about the fee is ; pay appropriate fee. But what is the fee? Hehe thanks jazzy thumbup.gif
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post Jan 14 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 14 2011, 02:30 PM)
Hehe I know! wink.gif
I can merely quote what has been mentioned by DCA is that the first 2 modules is RM200 and RM100 per subsequent module.
You're welcome.
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Yeah I hope so. It will be a lot cheaper than taking it through CAA UK. It would cost me a fortune! But still, as long the final words haven't been announce yet, I wouldn't put my hope too high. You know, these 'political circumstances'. tongue.gif
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post Jan 14 2011, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 14 2011, 05:00 PM)
It is certainly cheaper, RM100 vs GBP61 per module!
Honestly there is NO reason why would anyone want to take the EASA-66 way which to me, a 'difficult' path to take.

As far as DCA is concerned, the announcement to the industry has been made by the Director General himself last year and the two new ANs has been signed, approved by him and ISSUED, therefore it is OFFICIAL!

Wait no longer, the ball has already rolling!
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Its confirmed then RM 100 per module? I thought they haven't confirmed the price yet hehe sweat.gif
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post Jan 20 2011, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 14 2011, 11:25 PM)
Yes, that is what I heard last. Rest assured that there is NO subsidy here that the government can cut.. laugh.gif

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That's pleasing to hear:D. And Ive been reassured by my instructor that it is RM100. BUT the problem now is the minimum age to apply for AMEL is 21. That is a problem. Ive asked my instructor and he is also not sure whether it apply on ATO student or not hmm.gif. Because if it is, I'll be wasting two years and that two years could make the difference in later life. I rather take it now as the thing is still fresh in my mind and considering my program is 3 years and a half, Ill be finishing the module along with my degree. rclxm9.gif But now cry.gif
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post Jan 21 2011, 07:54 AM

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So what you mean is I can take up the DCAM module now, but I'll be only issued with the licence when I'm 21? Is it true?
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post Jan 28 2011, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(maryjane9996 @ Jan 28 2011, 08:01 PM)
hmmm...juz wondering why ppl from aeronautical engineering can have cat-c lincense ?? it doesnt fair for b1 and b2 holder since they work their as* up like hell..hmm
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They work their as*, and get payed way better than cat-c holders. So, no harm done biggrin.gif

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post Feb 9 2011, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Feb 6 2011, 06:36 PM)

MIAT being an academic institution will be closed for the CNY and have their own set of academic 'idiosynchrosies' when dealing with them. It is better off if you drop by and talked to MIAT's group of 'aviation experts' who are basically licensed engineers. May be they can brief you a better picture! To date I have yet to see how they're going to migrate to DCA's Part 66 and Part 147 requirements.

Glad to help out! wink.gif
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Please with all respect, enlighten us sir thumbup.gif
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post Feb 28 2011, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(r410515 @ Feb 26 2011, 05:35 PM)
Hi to all,

Just stumbled across this forum discussions, seems like it's got so many people interested in aircraft maintenance!
To all those who're already well advanced in the process of becoming a LAME, I wish you all the best.

I would like to post something here for the newbies, those who are still in the early stages getting into the industry.
I've gone thru the whole rigmarole of becoming a lame & have been employed as one for the past 20yrs, worked in
many places & different companies.

In my point of view, just drop the whole idea of a career in aircraft maintenance while you still can & find another
career path plse. The industry has gone down the drain, it used to be good/excellent in the old days. Now it's not
worth the effort & risking your limbs &  rice-bowl being a Lame.

With the change in legislation that's taken place, it favours the airline management & authorities. We don't have the
say that we used to. It's become money-driven & the keyword is cost-cutting.

Another thing that we're not aware of till actually having entered the industry is the amount of chemicals involved
in our work environment e.g. cleaning agents, paint & paint strippers, exposure to fuel vapours etc. The long-term
health hazards are not realised till too late.

The only good thing I would say, is the money as a Lame is marginally better than other jobs for similar academic
achievement. But money is not everything..........sad we only realise that when it's too late.

Anyway, sorry to sound like a stick in the mud but I'm relating not only my opinions based on my experience, but
also that of many of my peers................just go ask a Lame you know if he/she would encourage their own
children to also become a Lame?? I bet you most would say "no way".

There're better things to do with your life than being a Lame!
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This is his own point of view. Then let it be. Its his loss, and if there are people who really listen to him, the aviation field will be far less 'hazardous' biggrin.gif

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post Mar 7 2011, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(mathew @ Mar 7 2011, 01:07 AM)
Very well said Jazzy, but how many LAE hit that RM 52k mark ? I'm sure that comes with lots of OT..
lots of OT=making hangar your second home=____

MOST LAE in an airline wont take home half that amount in his entire life...not even RM20k..

RM 4000 = I'm talking about a big airline... thats da TRUTH
RM7000= comes with OT even with 5 years experience
But how many can make it into an airlines as an LAE ? I'm talking bout facts and figures as in ratios of sponsored and non-sponsored ones...

How many make it into General Aviation earning 9K ?

If its true, then why are so many MIAT's , polytechs and other aviation colleges graduates working as Vendors and Junior Techs or even some composite/manufacturing company ?

I wrote this from my humble point of view, I NEVER mean to CRITICISE or DEMOTIVATE anyone, but this is just another point/perspective of looking at things since all da GREENER part of it are mentioned in this thread.

Like Jazzy said,  you win some, you lose some. Some are fortunate, others not so..

Nevertheless, I wish everyone the best. =)


Added on March 7, 2011, 1:13 amAnd another point to take NOTE, I never mention anything about safety or fluids... Any industries will have its own RISKS...

Cheers people... =)
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4k for a fresh LAE is a big amount. Do remember that is BASIC salary. Plus allowance it can reach 6 7k easily. Regarding the job for LAE, the demand is high. Institution is just a platform, in the end its up to you in deciding your future.
Trust me, most MIAT students that working as a vendor or other jobs, didn't do their best when they were pursuing their license while they are in MIAT. Some of them don't even bother, while some of them just simply give up. MIAT don't push you to take up the license, its up to the students whether to take it or not. The just give you the path, and you take the steps.

Well I'm not just referring to MIAT here, it applied to all academic institution in aircraft maintenance. As they were named, "academic". If you want license, sign up for APR or DILOG. Once got your license, nobody wouldn't want to hire you.

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post Mar 8 2011, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(mathew @ Mar 7 2011, 10:58 PM)
Gneba360, RM4000 is already including allowance if u're working with a local airline... who told you that its RM4000 basic ?

For a fresh LAE, what allowance can take ur pay from 4k basic(IF THERE"S SUCH BASIC PAY) to a whopping 3k increase ?

As far as I'm concern, NONE of the airlines in Malaysia has a starting basic of RM4000, one is 2k plus and the other last i've known is 5k...
Jazzy, I wonder why many of them become as what you called them, MALAS ?
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Jazzy said in the earlier post. You wouldn't want to cross jazzy's word don't you? I won't. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 8 2011, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Mar 8 2011, 03:25 PM)
Hey, my words are not gospel laugh.gif BUT I know someone who just passed the LWTR and was offered to join a company at RM9K BASIC. That RM4K is nothing, hehe. MAS being MAS will always have the lowest of the basic. AirAsia with a type starts from RM5.5K, thats not bad I guess.
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5.5K with three to four years of experience is far from bad biggrin.gif Hey jazzy, do you know where I can get EASA Part-66 modules questionnaire? Or better DCAM's hehe. Really need some help here icon_question.gif

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post Mar 8 2011, 11:20 PM

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No worries. Found it. But am not sure if it is the latest one. hmm.gif

Check it out, http://www.amevoice.com/forum/topic/3453


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post Mar 11 2011, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(singonn2 @ Mar 11 2011, 05:47 PM)
if i just graduated from high school , should i study the uni in taiwan ?
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Where do you live right now? Taiwan?

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post Mar 12 2011, 02:45 AM

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Well for me, you really don't need to go to Taiwan. Even if it is licence training, why make it hard?
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post Mar 26 2011, 03:39 AM

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QUOTE(AE99 @ Mar 25 2011, 06:21 PM)
I am curious pertaining to foreign graduates from part 147 ATO. Has anyone or you know of someone who has graduated, got the necessary OJT and license and came back to Malaysia and work as a Licensed Engineer.
I am posing this question because I am aware some students are flying to the other side of the globe (thanks to some hard selling by consultants), thinking they are on the way to become a Licensed Engineer when the OJT is actually not assured. In fact I was told the OJT for foreigners can be difficult to arrange.
It is my  guess they are likely to come back home with only a certificate/statement of completion of EASA modules and work as a tech. How then do they become a Licensed Engineer? Work 2 yrs in a EASA part145 MRO--only MAS? Or 5 yrs with a unstructured program?
For that matter, how many EASA licensed engineers are there in Malaysia that can sign off your OJT??
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As far as I know, correct me if Im wrong, the difference between 2 years and 5 years, is where you done your training. If you come from a part 147 training institution then you only need to do 2 years OJT in turbine trade. If you're not, then you have to do 5 years OJT. The OJT must be done ONLY at part 145 MRO. And that is through my research and knowledge that I have. Wish some taiko can clarify this further icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 29 2011, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Mar 29 2011, 12:56 AM)
Long time never step in here already tongue.gif laugh.gif

just got my SPM results few days ago and it's pretty satisfactory for me laugh.gif

should be paying APR a visit somewhere next week i guess with a friend of mine along to check out the place and ask some more questions laugh.gif

btw jazz, are you by any chance, torx, in flylah forum? tongue.gif laugh.gif

the way you and him replies looks pretty much the same laugh.gif
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Yeah I think he is the same guy too! Aren't you jazzy aka torx? Haha brows.gif
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post Jul 18 2011, 12:55 AM

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Anybody had taken the DCAM Part-66 modules last thursday? Share your experience here please wink.gif
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post Aug 8 2011, 07:58 PM

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Monday? Where is the location of your examination site?
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QUOTE(maryjane9996 @ Aug 9 2011, 02:55 AM)
Aviation Australia.are u taking EASA mod as well ?
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Wah no wonder lah hehe. Nope. I am planning to take the DCAM modules. Thought wanna take it this coming Thursday, but due to some unknown internal issues in my campus, it had to be postponed till I got the green light. Which I don't know when as a matter of fact doh.gif Hope they will solve the problem fast. Heck, they should solve the problem fast! I don't want to waste time doing nothing. All the best bro for your module! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Aug 10 2011, 02:53 AM)
The word I got from the surveyor-in-charge is that the result is not very 'encouraging'...
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Well I am wondering why... Lack of preparation probably? hmm.gif

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