Heard?
No, its not EASA-66 but DCA Part 66! Commencing since 1st. January 2011.
Where have you been?

Those entering from SPM is a 4 year, but diploma/degree holders will be doing it in 3 years at a lower cost, of course!
Next intake in APRIL, after SPM results are out.

Lets get this corrected once and for all.
The grant of AML under Part 66 is 21 years old.
Do you know why 21? Its the legal age. Once you have AML and type rating, you are authorized to sign CRS! The law will not allow an 18 years old to sign and certify aircraft works!
So its kinda an advantage if you were to start the TAME training just after Form 5, plus 4 years you're 22 yrs old!

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jan 20 2011, 10:17 PM

These are the prerequisites before the issuance of the license:
1.Passed ALL related modules(eg. Cat B1.1 has 13 or so modules)
2.PLUS 2 years of OJT/practical on operating aircrafts.
3.Be at least 21 years of age.

para 4.2 of AN1101 with regards to eligibility
"An applicant for an AML shall be at least 21 years of age."

Submissions are through an ATO for complete assessment by a Validator(an approved person by DGCA) and Practical Assessor of ALL your theory and practical work duely filled and certified in the 'DCA Approved Logbook'. This alone will take no less than 3 years, the minimum time specified by DCA Malaysia.

Some has expressed relief now that the DCA is no longer conducting oral examinations.. this is a short lived relief as the oral functions now are undertaken by the Practical Assessor, an approved person by DGCA from an AMO or ATO!

For the application of DCAM PArt 66 module examinations:
1. submit application using form JPA33
2. minimum qualification is SPM or equivalent, with credits in English
3. pay appropriate fee

So you see here, the minimum age would be 18 years old(ex-SPM school leavers)





This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jan 21 2011, 10:06 AM

Its in the ELGD and these are to cater the economic climate/demand of the EU members for them to remain competitive in the industry.

With experience gained (3-5 years)in B1 or B2 categories, you can be granted Cat C.
A degree holder on aeronautical discipline may be granted provided that the he had the necessary exposure and the authorities have conducted a detailed assessment of the course from the university that issued the degree. However the charges to be paid is a very significant sum(the university have to foot the costs or the degree holder) and also, any other degrees conducted outside the regulatory body's country will not be acceptable.
Ref: CAA UK's ELGD Section F.

It is therefore, NOT that easy.

Let's face it, it is less headache to the authority to grant Cat C to a Cat. B1 or B2 holders than a degree holder.

These are just one of the AMCs (Alternate Means of Compliance) created to fulfil the needs and requirements of the law (and the economic situation) at the regulatory body discretion.

BTW, be advised that there are NOT Cat. C in DCA's Part 66 licensing system.

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jan 29 2011, 10:52 AM

That is correct.
The reason why the diploma is bundled together with the licence programme is that you can get loan/scholarships facilities. APR however is a professional training institution and just concentrating on 'licence training' hence the unability to have financial assistance, the Malays however have MARA. You may need to seek help from the state's yayasan. Yayasan Terengganu, Sarawak, Sabah has helped before.

If you have difficulties in getting financial support, I suggest you take a longer route via Nilai or TAFE, however these are EASA-66 programmes, NOT recognized by DCA Malaysia. You have to complete the the programme, ie the OJT part on your own before being issued the EASA-66 licence prior conversion to DCA's Part 66 AML if you want to work in Malaysia. Please get precise details on this from each institution before committing.

Is APR good? They have been training licensed engineers longer than any other private institutions for the last 13 years! Good would be an understatement!

Good luck. Sometimes we have no choice but to opt whats available and above all, affordable.

I assumed with only a diploma and no experience, you might be getting a 'junior technician'/'trainee junior technician' or may be a technician at best. I do not know what other airlines or MROs intake policies, you have to enquire.

Working with a non-EASA Part 145 will require 5 years of OJT/work schedule experience. MAS I know is the only EASA Part 145 approved and this is where you want to get in, will save you 2 years of OJT requirements!

Although EASA Part 66 is widely recognized and accepted, working in any other countries other than the EU will require you to sit and pass the air legislation examination for local licence conversions. These apparently has not been explicitely make known to those institutions that is offering EASA licence syllabus. Most if not ALL are only offering the theory part, not the practical/OJT facilities.

You're mistaken, all graduates of APR's TAME programme will be offered a position as a licensed engineer after completion of a type course and passing the company's procedures and type rating examinations in the said company. This can be achieved within a year after getting your Part 66 AML, which is a whole lot faster than EASA's path. Of course EASA licence although similar to DCA's Part 66, it has to be taken separately hence the additional fees only to those who wants it.

METC is similar to APR but the course fee last I heard was way more than APR, in the 1x0k region. The added advantage of METC is that they's a collaboration between Dilog and MAS. The public intake for the TAME programme is offered by Dilog NOT METC as METC caters for FELDA's children and MAS owned staff children programme.

MIAT being an academic institution will be closed for the CNY and have their own set of academic 'idiosynchrosies' when dealing with them. It is better off if you drop by and talked to MIAT's group of 'aviation experts' who are basically licensed engineers. May be they can brief you a better picture! To date I have yet to see how they're going to migrate to DCA's Part 66 and Part 147 requirements.

Glad to help out!



This post has been edited by jazzy939: Feb 6 2011, 07:35 PM

You're most welcome maryjane9996! Now you can sleep better!

Eventhough I am mechanical by trade, on many occasions I had to sit through the whole avionics chapters in a type course.
Nothing to it! Understand the basics.. it will help you in your later years..

Only for basic, esp. if you're sitting for the exam!
I used to have, let me check my resources and revert.
Good luck eh!

I beg to differ.
You were in for the money?
What's seriously lacking in you that have many thousands LAMEs doing the 'thankless' job would be passion. Yup, the love for the job and you ain't got any.
My son is following my footsteps and have all my encouragement.
The truth is, it takes a special breed of people to be an LAME.
Real engineers are born, not trained.

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Feb 26 2011, 09:27 PM

From my point of view, it is good that such a person does not belong to the industry.

Something to consider.
The best offer for a fresh student that just got DCA's LWTR, RM9000. This is BASIC salary.
Minimum market price is RM4000.
A five years experience engineer will earn average RM7000.(at least with 2 type ratings)
The highest paid licensed engineer at this point of time is earning RM52,000.
All salaries are per month and local employment.

mathew,
Agreed. All the raised points are valid but viewed from one perspective only.
There are dangerous fluids everywhere in ANY industries!
But we all know that the aviation industry is a very highly regulated industry.
It is done to ensure SAFETY and therefore it is imperative that we follow these requirements diligently.
I see no issues with this unless you're being a pessimist...

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Mar 4 2011, 07:27 AM

yorkhan,
you win some, you lose some!

I would have to agree with regards to MIAT's graduates situation. It is their own doings and the programmes are such that after their graduation, no one has any interests to complete the LWTR programme part. MALAS is the word.

The only difference between MIAT and the other ATOs is that it's academically based while the others are licensed based, hence the better/increased success of getting a license. The leader here is without doubt, APR-Aviation Training Centre in terms of successful candidates.

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Mar 7 2011, 10:05 PM

Hey, my words are not gospel BUT I know someone who just passed the LWTR and was offered to join a company at RM9K BASIC. That RM4K is nothing, hehe. MAS being MAS will always have the lowest of the basic. AirAsia with a type starts from RM5.5K, thats not bad I guess.

mathew,
That 52K a month engineer is a rotary wing engineer, therefore not MAS.

Yep, no commercial advertising here, Shaharil.

Ask yourself, why do you need a diploma/degree?

Yes. You buy them online!
The old Section L questions has been around everywhere. The new Part 66 we haven't a clue.

Great!