I have not seen any big store that has the correct environment and the display set up correctly ever. Most of them run the displays in vivid or torch mode with the contrast jacked way up and the brightness totally off.

You could probably see the difference easier in a static image. On moving pictures, it is difficult to see the difference between 720p and 1080p. Also easier to see the difference in animation movies. If u r almost 8feet back, it is difficult unless viewing on a screen that is 50in or more. Then the differences become clearer. On anything smaller than a 42in it is difficult to see, it is there but difficult to see.

All display technologies have issues. All... There is currently no perfect display technology. Decide what you prefer be it plasma or LCD, be happy with your purchase and move on in life. Its easier that way. Make sure that you can live with the faults of your display in your viewing environment. If you believe that LCD is the superior technology for all the right reasons that is limited to your viewing environment, get one and be happy. Else get a plasma or a projector. Most importantly, be happy with your display.

Actually, I believe this might be related to their improved contrast ratio as well. Let's see if the same is not seen on the higher end models.

If to your eyes the motion of the Panny X10 is not smooth, then go audition the LG Plasma and make your decision. Some people are more susceptible to motion judder than other. Since you see the PannyX10 as not smooth, make sure you try the same source when u audition the LG plasma, if it looks better then get that.

BTW, on what source did u see the motion not that smooth when viewing the Panny X10?

Then it's something to do with refresh rates and incorrectly set flags. Check it out. The cuplrit might be the settings in the WDTV that are not matching the display

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Added on May 14, 2009, 1:32 pmWhite saturation is typically the coordinates of the white point in the CIE diagram. The D65 white point that most if not all films are mastered in are 0.3127,0.329 (x,y). This defines the white point in a given colour space. The white point is similar for NTSC, HD and PAL colour space. This is also normally related to greyscale as well. There is another dimension to this CIE chart called Luminance. So all in all it is x,y,Y. x,y defines the white point, Y defines the luminance. Let me know if u need more explanation. To get this reading, you would need a colorimeter or a spectrophotometer.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: May 14 2009, 01:32 PM

Actually the new X10 has fantastic grayscale after calibration, much better than the older PV80. Colour decoding errors are also lower.

You need a test disc and a minimum of a colorimeter or better still a spectrophotometer.

Else if not, at least get a DVE HD test disc for Blu Ray and get the brightness and contrast correct.

For Plasma, this sub field drive is a marketing gimmick...to counter the 100Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz stuff that LCD makers tout about.

No way you will see a difference...

Looks like Sharp has also entered the LED backlighting market. See review below.

Trusted Reviews Sharp LED Backlighting Review

Looks to have fixed a lot of the known problems with better colours. They did not talk about viewing angle.

So LCD has played its Ace, let's see if plasma can counter with 5/10 lumens tech.

Correct but only if u use the break in dvd. This is because this is a full screen colour alternating display and has no risk of causing burn in due to static TV channels and black borders. Do not use these high brigthness and contrast settings for TV channels and DVD (2:35 and 1:33 ratio) during the early life of your plasma.

50" will come...

ar188, you're finally back....

Looks like we will beat this to death..

Hey, the most important thing is its ur money. Whatever u pay for u must like, not anyone else.

Good for u, u saved a ton of money and most importantly u are extremely happy with ur purchase.

All this black, 10 bit and all is really not as important as ur satisfaction.

Is this for games or Blu Ray movies?

Actually Neo-PDP is also supposed to give higher luminance values, ie brighter whites. One of the drawbacks of plasma tech is that to display a full screen white screen would be limited due to what is known as the Automatic Peak Limiter. This limiter is there to ensure that the power supply is not driven past its limits. Thus the general tendencies of the man in the street to compare LCD which can have a higher peak white limit making it brighter. The problem is for movie viewing this is not important as the correct "windowed" white peak limit for correct viewing is anywhere between 30-40 ft/L in a dimly lit room (light source behind the panel or 10% of the brightest white). Almost all plasmas are more than capable of accurate grayscale at this range. The correct practices of viewing are not cared by most and they make decisions on what they see in the showroom floor where the lights are full blast.

The quest for plasma was always to get to 5lumens and 10lumens tech that will allow it to show brighter images to counter the "super bright but normally inaccurate" whites that the LCDs put out.

5lumens and 10lumens tech is important for plasma, it evens the playing field in both the areas that are used by the LCD group to downplay plasma, namely, brighter images and lower power consumption. It also will allow for thinner panels. I believe the Z series that Panasonic has out this year might actually be using something close to that.

NeoPDPs are a step in that direction. It is not quite 5 lumens tech (I believe somewhere in the 2-3lumens). Pioneer actually demoed 5/10lumens tech last year in CES and called it extreme contrast (brighter whites, super blacks and very thin panels) but unfortunately, have pulled out. This technology would also make plasma panel manufacturing cheaper with better yield eventually.

Hopefully, Panasonic brings it to use in the next 2 years and we can see if it helps plasma.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jun 13 2009, 10:18 AM

Great effort. I will try get the excel table I made and pass it to you. Its easier to use a software like Calman and its more fun doing it yourself...

The problem is the drivers to run it from HCFR...

I've explained this before. No Pioneer panels are made by Panasonic. There was an initial agreement for Panasonic to supply Pioneer with panels in 2009 but that agreement is null and void since Pioneer decided to exit the market. So all Pioneer panels were made in Pioneer PDP plant in Japan. That plant is now closed. The last batch of panels were the KRP500 and KRP600 panels.

ar188,
The risk with importing the panels is that you need an AP to bring in plasma panels. So that is added cost and the tax not to mention more importantly warranty. The 60in KRP panels after conversion cost only ~RM10k in the states and abt RM22k from the UK. In the end with transportation and warranty, the cost becomes the same as getting it in Malaysia. Another problem would be the power supply.

I believe after you change a particular R,G,B value, you need to save the setting before moving to the next value to change. I believe you shd press a button for save. It will actually say in the svc menu. Else after changing R Brightness say, you move to B Brightness, the values do not change.

Out of curiosity, are you changing the values for RGB based on a meter reading or by eyeball? RGB values shd be changed based on a colorimeter/spectrophotoradiometer reading and not arbitrarily