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post Jan 15 2009, 05:35 PM, updated 17y ago

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Rumours flying left and right regarding Manchester City's owners , the wealthy Abu Dhabi United Group , been linked with a bid in the region of £100m for the AC Milan player Kaka with offer of a £500,000 weekly wage.

I won't be surprised if they land ronaldinho and or Dida. Kaka may have ruled himself out with his conditions and demands. I love it if City become a Samba team.

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http://mcfc.co.uk/News/Team-news/2009/Augu...sfer-masterplan

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post Jan 15 2009, 05:46 PM

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buying doesnt mean good
they need good manager and coach
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Unless City can get the first major big signing in the bag aka Kaka,I don't think any big name player want to play at City. Not with Mark Hughes as manager either.
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My mistake... doh.gif

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Once City can prove to be a title challenger then maybe they can attract some big name signings. For now, I dont think any of the big names would want to go to City to fight relegation battle. After kena relegated then susah la..
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Unless City get Jose Mourinho, if not MC wont be the next Chelsea...
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All the big money they are willing to lose just to get Kaka to come to Citeh pretty much sums up how big of a joke the club is. No superstar player in a right state of mind would wanna go there unless it's purely because of money. Emulate Chelsea? Pfft.

Mind you the current squad is not a lousy one and yet they are 15th in the league. They talked about plans to qualify for next season's Champions League etc. but right now, getting a spot in UEFA Cup next season is pretty much equivalent to trying to win the Champions League.

Pre Abramovich Chelsea already had quality players and were already fighting with the other big boys in the league. They weren't coals before Abramovich started pouring cash into the team and diamonds right after that.

Last but not least, a couple of weeks back you can read Robinho's interviews where he pretty much blamed Chelsea for letting him fall into the hands of Citeh. Why would he say that if he really thinks that Citeh can follow the path of Chelsea?
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Not a chance.

First, citeh should qualify for europe with their current players. Only then will players such as Kaka and Messi join thew club. If citeh do not qualify this season, I reckon the chances of Robinho leaving are not impossible.

TBF, citeh have a decent squad to do so, just look at their squad for a moment...

1)Joe hart - prolly england no.1 if capello decides to pick him
2)Micah Richards - a quality player, already knocked Neville out from his RB position.
3)Ireland - Best player from them this season, decent player.
4)SWP - Needless to mention of his pace
5)Bridge - yet to play
6)Kompany - FM legend LOL

And their strikers... Robinho, Jo, Vassell, Sturridge, Benjani, Bojinov...Pretty decent players, except maybe for Bojinov who has been injured since he signed for them.

With this squad compared with Hull City - who are doing above expectation, pretty tough to pick eh?
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QUOTE(creap @ Jan 15 2009, 07:24 PM)
Not a chance.

First, citeh should qualify for europe with their current players. Only then will players such as Kaka and Messi join thew club. If citeh do not qualify this season, I reckon the chances of Robinho leaving are not impossible.

TBF, citeh have a decent squad to do so, just look at their squad for a moment...

1)Joe hart - prolly england no.1 if capello decides to pick him
2)Micah Richards - a quality player, already knocked Neville out from his RB position.
3)Ireland - Best player from them this season, decent player.
4)SWP - Needless to mention of his pace
5)Bridge - yet to play
6)Kompany - FM legend LOL

And their strikers... Robinho, Jo, Vassell, Sturridge, Benjani, Bojinov...Pretty decent players, except maybe for Bojinov who has been injured since he signed for them.

With this squad compared with Hull City - who are doing above expectation, pretty tough to pick eh?
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Bojinov is not injured, but was loaned out to Juventus if I'm not mistaken.

Let's be realistic, at the end of the day, money still plays an important role in decided-making for the players. Not everyday you come across someone like Paolo Maldini or Ryan Giggs.

When Mark Hughes asked for more time, I suppose he wants more time to recruit world-class players to fight for the Europe place next season. This season will be spent finding these players instead of being competitive in the league.

In the long run, yes, Manchester City will emulate Chelsea, or even be better than them in terms of spending power. Well, they already are.
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QUOTE(blinky @ Jan 15 2009, 07:28 PM)
Bojinov is not injured, but was loaned out to Juventus if I'm not mistaken.

Let's be realistic, at the end of the day, money still plays an important role in decided-making for the players. Not everyday you come across someone like Paolo Maldini or Ryan Giggs.

When Mark Hughes asked for more time, I suppose he wants more time to recruit world-class players to fight for the Europe place next season. This season will be spent finding these players instead of being competitive in the league.

In the long run, yes, Manchester City will emulate Chelsea, or even be better than them in terms of spending power. Well, they already are.
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ONLY in spending power, yeah. Like what creap and I pointed out, their current squad ain't shyte at all BUT look at their position. Superstar players will also be judging them based on their performance you know? Who'd wanna be paid millions at the expense of not challenging for the Premier League regularly let alone the Champions League? Let's face it, BPL has 4 REGULAR CL teams. Unless their professionalism are clouded by money, no big name would want to risk not playing at European football's highest level.
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Seriously, I would be laughing at them say they manage to get Kaka only to get relegated at the end of the session together with Spurs.
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QUOTE(blinky @ Jan 15 2009, 07:28 PM)
Bojinov is not injured, but was loaned out to Juventus if I'm not mistaken.

Let's be realistic, at the end of the day, money still plays an important role in decided-making for the players. Not everyday you come across someone like Paolo Maldini or Ryan Giggs.

When Mark Hughes asked for more time, I suppose he wants more time to recruit world-class players to fight for the Europe place next season. This season will be spent finding these players instead of being competitive in the league.

In the long run, yes, Manchester City will emulate Chelsea, or even be better than them in terms of spending power. Well, they already are.
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Not that I doubt Hughes, but TRYING to spend millions and millions on the likes of WHAT? Bellamy? Parker? Not that they are not good. Is just that he is trying to buy them with crazy money...

His few signings in the earlier season already proved to be failed.

The likes of Jo, Tal ben Haim, etc.

City can be a big force with the money they have but certainly not with Hughes as their manager.

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Only Mourinho can make City special...Hughes just don't have the x-factor
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Jan 15 2009, 09:50 PM)
Only Mourinho can make City special...Hughes just don't have the x-factor
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But I do admire him for his bit of magic with poorer club...Blackburn for instance.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 15 2009, 09:51 PM)
But I do admire him for his bit of magic with poorer club...Blackburn for instance..  thumbup.gif
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yeah...he has the magic during his Blackburn days, but for 'bigger' club he needs a lot of time to learn

a lot of managers are only good at mid table team or team that once awhile knocking the door at UEFA spot but when ask them to manage team with better finance or bigger name...they get screw up
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Football, as the name, goes in a circle.

If you don't have the dough, you wont be able to challenge the top teams. Without the opportunity, only players with lesser stature are willing to join.

The point here is, Chelsea managed to achieve with their money because they were at the very least challenging in the european competition. With citeh, the future looks bleak for them, even with papa-money behind them.

Qualify for Europe, then we'll see the likes of Kaka/messi coming in.
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only thing that can be comment is with money,u might be able to shine in a few years time...
without money,no...u r ntg....
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QUOTE(creap @ Jan 15 2009, 11:07 PM)
Football, as the name, goes in a circle.

If you don't have the dough, you wont be able to challenge the top teams. Without the opportunity, only players with lesser stature are willing to join.

The point here is, Chelsea managed to achieve with their money because they were at the very least challenging in the european competition. With citeh, the future looks bleak for them, even with papa-money behind them.

Qualify for Europe, then we'll see the likes of Kaka/messi coming in.
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We are going around in circles.

To qualify for Europe, you need top players. In order to get top players, you need to qualify for Europe.

It has to start somewhere right?
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It took you so long to come to this conclusion?

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QUOTE(james2306 @ Jan 16 2009, 12:45 AM)
It took you so long to come to this conclusion?

Thank You Captain Obvious!
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Money can buy success but with the right way...

chelsea rich since ranieri era but still cant win epl titles but when Jose took over, the team suddenly become top four elite in epl because they really have very top manager who can give instant impact and success..

For man city, i cant see this team can go far if Hughes is manager there because rich team need instant impact and success and Hughes will struggle achieve that because this is not blackburn or middlesbrough whom their owner can give so much time to deliver..

bring mourinho and i pretty sure man city will become next chelsea..
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Not neccesary need JM, I think even with Roberto Mancini or Frank Rijkaard they can perform better.Both are top managers that can attract some big name players. Surely they will hv the ability to bring Man City to the next level. If only they hv the courage to sack Hughes.
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Bring Mourinho and Man City will become the next Chelsea? What next? Buy all the Chelsea players during Mourinho time and play the exact same tactics which won Chelsea the Prem title? ROFLMAO.

Then change the name Man City to Chelsea. Of course the Sheikh will have to buy the rights from the present Chelsea FC first though. But who cares, money can buy everything right?

wtf...
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hughes must did something for the board to sack him lol...

anywhere besides MU..i watch quite alot of MC match this season..sometimes they did play beautiful football...just that their defense is too vulnerable...a few better players for defending and GK will be great for them....
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hughes sacked liaw meh ?
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Jan 16 2009, 01:32 AM)
hughes sacked liaw meh ?
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i mean to sack him..hughes must did something that makes the board feel unhappy or watever
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lol i tot what hahaha
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Binge on Kaka
Get a top notch goalie (or at least Dida)
Buy Alex (from Chelski)
Sway Ronaldinho
Pry Daniel Alves from Barcelona
Sign Andrei Arshavin
Recruit Franklin Rijkaard
all for less than £200million and this is doable.
Thats my samba team


Added on January 16, 2009, 2:53 amAnd to crown it all get CR9 in summer for £160million. Don't forget the American owners are paupers with huge outstanding loans and debts to service. That goes for Liverpool too (Torres).



In the overall scheme of things the UAE group owners (with estimated fortune of US$1trillion) will put Abu Dhabi and its $billions investments on the world map. After all its neighbour rival Dubai spent $billion/s on golf ventures and Tiger Wood.

This is Entertainment BUSINESS.




With Chelski (it was just personal) and its owner's fortune has dwindled. Arsenal will not win EPL because it did not spend the critical money ( a couple of key players) to bring them over the top.



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For me...yap totally agree..JM found the present Chelsea...HUghes dont really good for me..hire ex-REAL MADRID Boss..also good..

Manager : JM,Schuster,Frank Rijkaard
Coach : Hire other top Club coach..

My Sign for MCT
GK : Shay Given..
Defender : Dani Alves,Philip Lahm
Midplayer : David Silva,Aiden McGready,Arteta
Striker : Vagnar Love,Bueno,Benzema..

Some maybe spelling is wrong..but you get the idea...


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Yap.....
Lahm, Benzema will all be good additions.
Lure Drogba too will be grrreat.


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:00 amEverything will fall in place once Kaka the big fish is reeled in.
Other top players will follow suit seeing that the Sheikhs are serious.


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:13 am
QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 16 2009, 06:58 AM)
Yap.....
Lahm, Benzema will all be good additions.
Lure Drogba too will be grrreat.


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:00 amEverything will fall in place once Kaka the big fish is reeled in.
Other top players will follow suit seeing that the Sheikhs are serious.
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CR9 and Messi will be quite difficult but Eto is not



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Who's CR9 again?
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Ronaldo. He is going to trademarked it.
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ROFL. He's already trademarked CR7. It's already his official brand. There are caps, clothes and what not selling under that label. Wow. Citeh fans nowadays. Can't believe what I'm seeing here.
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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 16 2009, 07:24 AM)
ROFL. He's already trademarked CR7. It's already his official brand. There are caps, clothes and what not selling under that label. Wow. Citeh fans nowadays. Can't believe what I'm seeing here.
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Are we in a Fantasy Football game?
107m for Kaka now.
I think with the inclusion of Kaka, they can attract more 'superstars' to join them.
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Added on January 16, 2009, 7:52 amBye Bye United


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:55 amCR9 might then come back to Manchester City wearing no. 9.


Added on January 16, 2009, 7:55 amCR7 will be passe. capiche

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think, if you sign 11 super stars, all are millionaire, will they still fight 100% for city on the pitch ? some might turn up as salary workers only ... every week just kick the ball ... win or lose doesn't matter for them ... footballer is not about skill, but attitude is the most important ...
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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 16 2009, 02:24 AM)
Binge on Kaka
Get a top notch goalie (or at least Dida)
Buy Alex (from Chelski)
Sway  Ronaldinho
Pry Daniel Alves from Barcelona
Sign Andrei Arshavin
Recruit Franklin  Rijkaard
all for less than £200million  and this is doable.
Thats my samba team


Added on January 16, 2009, 2:53 amAnd to crown it all get CR9 in summer for £160million. Don't forget the American owners are paupers with huge outstanding loans and debts to service. That goes for Liverpool  too (Torres).
In the overall scheme of things the UAE group owners (with estimated fortune of US$1trillion) will put Abu Dhabi and its $billions investments on the world map. After all its neighbour rival Dubai spent $billion/s on golf ventures and Tiger Wood.

This is Entertainment BUSINESS.
With Chelski (it was just personal) and its owner's fortune has dwindled. Arsenal will not win EPL because it did not spend the critical money ( a couple of key players) to bring them over the top.
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Mind u TS.....stop with the name calling in ur post as u r offending others team.......btw it seems lik u lik dida very much although i do think he has pass his prime time......given will be a better choice considering wat he had done for newcastle.....but still 1 thing for sure....the market price for many of those average player will be increasing a lot if city really do splash cash lik pouring water.......just like wat chelsea did last few years ago......and the gap between some of the club will be growing more n more........bad thing or good thing??u decide.......

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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Jan 16 2009, 09:11 AM)
Mind u TS.....stop with the name calling in ur post as u r offending others team.......btw it seems lik u lik dida very much although i do think he has pass his prime time......given will be a better choice considering wat he had done for newcastle.....but still 1 thing for sure....the market price for many of those average player will be increasing a lot if city really do splash cash lik pouring water.......just like wat chelsea did last few years ago......and the gap between some of the club will be growing more n more........bad thing or good thing??u decide.......

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not sure how that is name calling as chelsea themselves wanted to trademark that term, but they lost out.
which means they somehow like it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 16 2009, 09:35 AM)
not sure how that is name calling as chelsea themselves wanted to trademark that term, but they lost out.
which means they somehow like it tongue.gif
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That is so not true mate, please watch it. State some names who wanted that term on Chelsea.
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QUOTE(Krovaxq @ Jan 16 2009, 11:46 AM)
That is so not true mate, please watch it. State some names who wanted that term on Chelsea.
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One-time Chelsea chairman Ken Bates had previously approached Europa Wines with proposals to sell its rights to the Chelski name or to enter into a joint venture with the club.
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TU Duke & Everdying. No offense meant to Chelsea fans. Actually I like RA hence Chelski. He was like a fresh air to appear on the footie scene.

Football is a beautiful game. We should welcome anybody that will popularised the EPL!!!!!

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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 16 2009, 12:52 PM)
TU Duke. No offense meant to Chelsea fans. Actually I like RA hence Chelski. He was like a  fresh air to appear on the footie scene.
No worries mate. How can they take offence when their own club wanted to trademark it? It would be similar to how Newcastle fans took offence to a poster that called them "the zebras" when that's what they are called in England. I just think people are defensive by nature but it does help to check one's facts first.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2009, 12:55 PM)
No worries mate. How can they take offence when their own club wanted to trademark it? It would be similar to how Newcastle fans took offence to a poster that called them "the zebras" when that's what they are called in England. I just think people are defensive by nature but it does help to check one's facts first.
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The thing is that they would take offence over nothing, when they themselves know very little about their club. However, Newcastle to me is always "barcode" when they would like to be known as "Magpies". Whatever it is, doesn't change the fact that they are still a joke. whistling.gif
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Marcos Senna (if we can't get Fabregas) is another one. Off course some of these samba players (Ronaldinho and Dida for eg. ) are past their prime. But hey I want a team that can play the beautiful game not one that gunned and run or cheat or play physically like goons. at the end of the day whether they win the whole enchilada or not is not my objective.

Tevez is another bloke City should consider.



Off course this is really lots of money. But there is still a vast pool of new fans and revenue (North America come to mind). Together with a world class team, the new owners are also hoping to leverage their other business venture. No?
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While everyone around the world is gasping for that 110M bid for Kaka, he is one player that Man City doesn't need, what they really need is a hardman in the centre, someone who can provide some steel for the midfield and protect them, with Kaka and Robinho, as well as whoever they sign, they might be scoring goals for fun, but the defence is just as likely to ship the same amount or more. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2009, 01:18 PM)
While everyone around the world is gasping for that 110M bid for Kaka, he is one player that Man City doesn't need, what they really need is a hardman in the centre, someone who can provide some steel for the midfield and protect them, with Kaka and Robinho, as well as whoever they sign, they might be scoring goals for fun, but the defence is just as likely to ship the same amount or more.  rclxub.gif
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actually money destroy a football a little bit..

for a player price about 100++ mil it is too....tongue.gif
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Even Robbie Savage would do for the moment...  whistling.gif
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But I've always rated Kompany in that defensive midfield role. He's a very good player. The thing about Hughes is that he isn't the kind of person who likes to do as told. I expect him to be shown the exit come the end of the season (or possibly earlier).
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Jan 16 2009, 09:11 AM)
Mind u TS.....stop with the name calling in ur post as u r offending others team.......btw it seems lik u lik dida very much although i do think he has pass his prime time......given will be a better choice considering wat he had done for newcastle.....but still 1 thing for sure....the market price for many of those average player will be increasing a lot if city really do splash cash lik pouring water.......just like wat chelsea did last few years ago......and the gap between some of the club will be growing more n more........bad thing or good thing??u decide.......

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I thought TS stands for Thread Starter? Derogatory? What?
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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 16 2009, 01:39 PM)
No. Not that savage     huh.gif
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And we want a price like Kaka's, can we?



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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 16 2009, 02:19 PM)
BTW did i offend u?  Pls. retract above for I find that very personal and derogatory.
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no u didnt offend me becoz u can know tat i'm a liverpool supporter here.....just a reminder tat u shouldn't do it for causing misunderstanding.....n i bet it really not tat hard right to type chelsea rather than chelski??forgive me if u think my word r rude.......and the TS is meant ThreadStarter........

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We will sell u Gerrard after 5 years  smile.gif

And we want a price like Kaka's, can we?
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Sure if Gerard keep on performing. He has a proclivity to bootstrap the team at the most critical time. enuff said.
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His TS probably means THIS SHIT, perhaps? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 16 2009, 02:33 PM)
His TS probably means THIS SHIT, perhaps?  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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such an imagination?? sweat.gif sweat.gif i thought tis is the international shortcut word for threadstarter in here???no??? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Jan 16 2009, 02:31 PM)
no u didnt offend me becoz u can know tat i'm a liverpool supporter here.....just a reminder tat u shouldn't do it for causing misunderstanding.....n i bet it really not tat hard right to type chelsea rather than chelski??forgive me if u think my word r rude.......and the TS is meant ThreadStarter........

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Thxs. for the clarification. Where my comments were not clear to-date I have augmented and substantiated them with facts or links. BTW I like all the 4 top teams and have a couple of scousers on my soccer team.

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hammers has rejected a 4th bid of 9.2 million pounds from city for bellamy...

dumb city, inflating the market.
ppl know they can pay so everyone is now playing hard to get.
it will be very funny if bellamy finally sells for around 30 million tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2009, 01:18 PM)
While everyone around the world is gasping for that 110M bid for Kaka, he is one player that Man City doesn't need, what they really need is a hardman in the centre, someone who can provide some steel for the midfield and protect them, with Kaka and Robinho, as well as whoever they sign, they might be scoring goals for fun, but the defence is just as likely to ship the same amount or more.  rclxub.gif
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Nigel de Jong, in lieu of Essien, impressed me with his robust performance. at Euro recently.
His acquisition will not inflate the market and will be a good fit for undersized city. His skills was demonstrated in Dutch victories over Italy and France.

City don't need Bellamy (undersized and past negative publicity).


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 17 2009, 12:30 AM)
hammers has rejected a 4th bid of 9.2 million pounds from city for bellamy...

dumb city, inflating the market.
ppl know they can pay so everyone is now playing hard to get.
it will be very funny if bellamy finally sells for around 30 million tongue.gif
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WHU needs Bellamy, more than city, else they will be relegated.


Added on January 17, 2009, 4:06 amWhen family gets involved, i.e. Papa Kaka, in negotiation I think theres quite a likelihood that he might be gone.
Chelsea didn't get Kaka and maybe thats why Robinho ended up in City.

Kaka's Future Unclear As 'Arabian Business' Retract Confirmation
Manchester City had completed the signing of Milan superstar Kaka, according to arabianbusiness.com, only for the website to mysteriously retract its statement an hour after releasing it.


It will be quite a samba party if e'thing goes according to plan.
The more competitive the clubs (6 top clubs rather than 4) the more championsip spots will be given to EPL. no?


Added on January 17, 2009, 4:09 amChelsea didn't get Kaka and maybe thats why Robinho ended up in City.

Kaka Future Unclear As 'Arabian Business' Retract Confirmation

Manchester City had completed the signing of Milan superstar Kaka, according to arabianbusiness.com, only for the website to mysteriously retract its statement an hour after releasing it.


It will be quite a samba party if e'thing goes according to plan.
The more competitive the clubs (6 top clubs rather than 4) the more championsip spots will be given to EPL. No?

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Read that the deal has gone up to about 240 million quids. Madness. That'd be enuff to buy the whole Villa XI I reckon. That's top four material right there.
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Read that the deal has gone up to about 240 million quids. Madness. That'd be enuff to buy the whole Villa XI I reckon. That's top four material right there.
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Villa XI? that is way more than enough.
heck, heres how much the liverpool team cost, and we'll even throw in a couple extras to round it up tongue.gif

Reina 6
Aurelio FREE
Arbeloa 2.5
Agger 6
Skrtel 6.5
Carra From Academy
Gerrard From Academy
Alonso 11
Reira 8
Kuyt 10
Babel 11.5
Torres 20
Keane 20

Total 101.5 for 13 players.
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You can't count Carragher and Gerrard as free just because they are from the academy.
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Latest Paper Talk say

Hughes is signing Terry. and Hughes will lose his job to Rafa Benitez in the summer doh.gif
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You can't count Carragher and Gerrard as free just because they are from the academy.
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thats partly the point tongue.gif
u cant just simply buy talent, sometimes u gotta create them.

but i like kaka's demand, must be in CL within 2yrs.
its as if kaka knows its not possible and is in it for the quick money, then get out after that tongue.gif

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In another thread
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/908553/+20

s'one mentioed that MU built success rather than buy success. I posted this


Van der Sar (exact transfer fee was undisclosed)
Rio (£33 million)
Vidic ( £7 million
Evra (£5.5 million )
Nani (£14-17million )
Anderson £18 million
Rooney (£27 million)
CR7 (£12.2 million)
Owen Hargreaves (£17 million)
Park £5 million
Carrick rising to £18.6 million
Berbatov (£30 million)
All great buys. especially Vidic, Evra, Park and CR7 transfer fees are a steal. No?

Except one buy

Recall Veron (almost same amount as Rio) .


MU American owner Glazer financed takeover for £600-800million (with hedged funds, AIG among them). In the event that Glazer unable to repay bondholders, control will be passed three hedge funds - Citadel, Och-Ziff Capital Management Group and Perry Capital). That is MU is privatized with Wall street funds etc. with MU fans paying interest on the debt in the meanwhile.



Now you want to castigate City owners for wanting to spend their money. grumble.gif grumble.gif grumble.gif


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Latest Paper Talk say

Hughes is signing Terry. and Hughes will lose his job to Rafa Benitez in the summer doh.gif
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Thxs. You just echo my thoughts.

Thats why Rafa didn't signed the contract/extension. Its not just control of signings but the continual 'split' between the partners and their debts in financing t/o. Liverpool FC should be bought by s'body with real money!!!. There are Asian interests.


Added on January 18, 2009, 7:21 amFrom the grapewine, Ade maybe Man City's target


Added on January 18, 2009, 5:05 pmWill RM hijack Kaka's transfer?
Either ways (Madrid or ManC) Kaka's departure is inevitable.
On the plus side with that money, Ade and Clichy might join Flamini. This will rejuvenate an aging squad.

My money is Kaka is signed and will be delivered to ManC .
CR9 is definitely going to RM.
Drogba is either going to Inter or ....ManC.



Why?
The only one with the real money is ManC.
The rest NADA


P.S. RA cupboard is bare (thats why Robinho ends up in City, Drogba and Alex will be gone)

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The last time i checked Rafa have 18 months before his contract run out.

Oh wait, i forgot MC has all the money in the world to make anything possible. tongue.gif
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man utd earned the money through their successes not by sugar daddy.. that is the main point

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ok im not a MC fan...im MU fan...but wat i just wana say is that MC is lucky enough to have a rich owner so we cant blame anything...lets guess...if the owner bought arsenal....so wat would u guys said???will kaka transfer to arsenal becum such a big issue...NO.....so we jsut hope that if kaka transfer to MC...MC will becum one of the big force and it would be something good if we see a good team emerge to be one of the world best!!


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Agreed to a certain extent. However they maintained their top flight status thru continuous predatory practice of raiding top talented players from lesser EPL teams. No?

see my list below
Rio (from Leeds)
Berba (from Spurs)
Roo (from Everton)
Tevez (from WHU)

and from other
Owen Hargreaves (BM)
Vidic (from ?)
VDS
Nani
Anderson
Evra
Park
CR7

I think buying success (Berba, Owen, Nani, Anderson) with hedge funds ala Wall St. money is a better description. No.?


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ok im not a MC fan...im MU fan...but wat i just wana say is that MC is lucky enough to have a rich owner so we cant blame anything...lets guess...if the owner bought arsenal....so wat would u guys said???will kaka transfer to arsenal becum such a big issue...NO.....so we jsut hope that if kaka transfer to MC...MC will becum one of the big force and it would be something good if we see a good team emerge to be one of the world best!!
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btw it would be lovely if manchester has 2 big clubs..like milan
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when u r buying big, u need to ensure ur buying will be worth it
takkan nak bayar 30 juta pound untuk makukula?

and from the 4 players u mentioned above there r 3 players said that playing for man utd are like their dreams came true.. is it wrong to fulfill that, while strengthen ur squad?

it is totally different than paying hundred millions pounds for kaka just to blur milan boards' eyes with the money.. kaka doesnt even want to play for city

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You are right. I concede that to you.
But what will you say about CR9 whose childhood dream was to play for RM?


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btw it would be lovely if manchester has 2 big clubs..like milan
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player have heart and believe also future..you think can transfer easily players..win a cup then we talk...

Bridge trasfer cuz of future..we respect him and love him...he about the same age as A.Cole that why he left...see??
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You are right. I concede that to you.
But what will you say about CR9 whose childhood dream was to play for RM?


Added on January 18, 2009, 6:14 pm
My sentiments exactly.
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man utd owned him and they still have rights to sell or not
as long as ronaldo dont go to saf and ask a transfer request i think it still ok

if tottenham still dont want to sell berbatov to us, what can we say?
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Man City's priority imo, is to first get themselves a top top class manager. Whats the point of getting world class players if you dont have the right manager that can utilize those players to the fullest. Hughes i reckon is a grafter type of manager, suitable for your average players in mid table teams. You need a classy manager not to just able to out-think the big 5 (i'm including O'neil) managers but also to be able to contain the top players with certain authority.

Having said this, it be brilliant to see Kaka in the EPL. But you need to understand why Kaka has been one of the most brilliant player in modern football. Its because he is playing in one of the most elite team in Europe, arguably built around him. So imo, before you get yourself a Kaka, its even more imperative to get a Gattuso and a Pirlo or Seerdorf. These the kind of players that enable someone like Kaka to be able to express himself to his maximum potential.

Just my 2c.


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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 18 2009, 06:01 PM)
Agreed to a certain extent. However they maintained their top flight status thru continuous predatory practice of raiding top talented players from lesser EPL teams. No?

see my list below
Rio (from Leeds)
Berba (from Spurs)
Roo (from Everton)
Tevez (from WHU)

and from other
Owen Hargreaves (BM)
Vidic (from ?)
VDS
Nani
Anderson
Evra
Park
CR7

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i think the point why all people criticise man city is they spend 100m for a player ... and the boss expect instant success ...

before roman buy chelsea, chelsea already a force in the premier league ... won the fa cup and cup winner's cup ...

unlike city now, not even the top 8 teams ... and dream of cl football ...

if you pay too much for a foreign player, they will turn to salary worker, means every week just come to kick the ball, whether win or not also doesn't matter ...

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i think the point why all people criticise man city is they spend 100m for a player ... and the boss expect instant success ...

before roman buy chelsea, chelsea already a force in the premier league ... won the fa cup and cup winner's cup ...

unlike city now, not even the top 8 teams ... and dream of cl football ...

if you pay too much for a foreign player, they will turn to salary worker, means every week just come to kick the ball, whether win or not also doesn't matter ...
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your theory?

Who knows maybe this is a new start for Man City, they could be a real force perhaps with more quality signing and Kaka might be remembered as a start of the revolution.

they have to start somewhere don't they?I agree it's a step too big to take Kaka now but if they can afford it and Kaka likes the deal, why not?[IMHO it's still a crazy deal]

assuming that Kaka will join them, they will now have Robinho and Kaka which means people will start to consider when Man City come knocking the door cos they already have big name players there.

risks is of course obvious, but they've got what it takes to bear the risk.

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your theory?

Who knows maybe this is a new start for Man City, they could be a real force perhaps with more quality signing and Kaka might be remembered as a start of the revolution.

they have to start somewhere don't they?I agree it's a step too big to take Kaka now but if they can afford it and Kaka likes the deal, why not?[IMHO it's still a crazy deal]

assuming that Kaka will join them, they will now have Robinho and Kaka which means people will start to consider when Man City come knocking the door cos they already have big name players there.

risks is of course obvious, but they've got what it takes to bear the risk.

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Now if RM was said to be willing to offer £85 million for CR9 before this Kaka saga.

What do you think they have to cough up now (£120 million?).

Mind you R80 arrival help bring titles to Barca. Truly, RM really has no choice? just wait the next RM president see what he has to used as bait to be Prez.

As for Kaka like I say, he will be the honey (together with Robinho) that will attract other top flight talents to City. ManC success takeoff will enhance club value to £500-600 million at least. No?

No money No honey, Only ManCity has RM (real money),




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I believe it will be another surprise from MC b4 transfer windows close.

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I believe it will be another surprise from MC b4 transfer windows close.
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My money is Kaka is signed and will be delivered to ManC .
CR9 is definitely going to RM.
Drogba is either going to Inter or ....ManC.
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your theory?

Who knows maybe this is a new start for Man City, they could be a real force perhaps with more quality signing and Kaka might be remembered as a start of the revolution.

they have to start somewhere don't they?I agree it's a step too big to take Kaka now but if they can afford it and Kaka likes the deal, why not?[IMHO it's still a crazy deal]

assuming that Kaka will join them, they will now have Robinho and Kaka which means people will start to consider when Man City come knocking the door cos they already have big name players there.

risks is of course obvious, but they've got what it takes to bear the risk.
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simple to prove, once they got 11 super stars to start every matches but still not able to win anything, then confirm they are salary workers ...

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simple to prove, once they got 11 super stars to start every matches but still not able to win anything, then confirm they are salary workers ...
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Guess what there might be a 'father and son' reunion

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...ticle294499.ece

at Manchester City.

Fairy tale?


This will mitigate the problem?

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so how ... bellamy the new superstar ?
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so how ... bellamy the new superstar ?
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icon_idea.gif Now maybe we can go for CR9 whistling.gif

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Kaka deal didn't go through as reported by soccernet.com

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Kaka's proposed £107-million transfer from AC Milan to Manchester City was dramatically spiked on Monday night with both clubs claiming to have pulled the plug on the deal.

The development came at the end of a day when a deal for the Brazilian playmaker appeared tantalisingly close.

Man City's executive chairman Garry Cook lead a club delegation in meetings with Milan officials and Kaka's father, Bosco Leite in attempt to broker what would have been a world record transfer.

However, in a statement the Premier League club said they had pulled out of negotiations as there was little chance of a deal being done owing to the complexity of the terms.

Cook told the club's website: ''Whilst Manchester City Football Club has an obvious interest in world-class players of the quality of Kaka, we owe it to our fans that such a transfer must work on every level; commercially, financially, in terms of results on the field and within Manchester City's broader community.

''The club felt that it was unlikely that the two parties could reach common ground for an agreement. The discussions reached only a preliminary stage and the player was not involved at any time.''

Somewhat contradicting City's claims were comments from Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister and Milan's owner, who said Kaka himself rejected the move.

''Money is not everything for Kaka, there are things more important than money. We are happy. We offered the player the chance to consider the offer, but he has higher values,'' Berlusconi told Italian television when explaining the 26-year-old's decision to turn down a move to the Eastlands club.

''It was down to me and also to him," added Berlusconi. ''When I heard he would prefer to stay, that he didn't think he would be missing a great opportunity and he prefers the values of our flag, the values of closeness and friendship, the warmth and the affection that all the fans have shown him in these days, I said 'hooray' and we hugged. Kaka is staying at Milan.''

On learning the news late on Monday hundreds of fans gathered outside Kaka's central Milan home where they celebrated his decision to remain with the Rossoneri.

Last week, in his only public comment since the saga began, Kaka said: ''I want to grow old at Milan. My aim is to become the captain of this team. I have already turned down some big offers.''

Despite his declaration, City continued to pursue the 2007 FIFA World Player of the Year and Ballon d'Or winner, and over the weekend appeared close to agreeing a deal after Berlusconi said it would be tough to hang on to the player given the sums of money being discussed.

Kaka, who was courted by Real Madrid last year and also linked with a move to Chelsea, played in Milan's 1-0 Serie A win over Fiorentina on Saturday and was clearly moved by the response of the fans inside the San Siro.

The Milan fans had been demanding talks with City were stopped and protested against a possible sale outside Milan's city centre headquarters.


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Kaka deal didn't go through as reported by soccernet.com

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Last season we took maximum points from MU but what the heck nobody took advantage.

This time we will take 3 points and CR9 (make him an offer he can't refuse).

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We have the money to take the honey. No? whistling.gif

Looking forward to the Derby?

The one on May 9th.

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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 20 2009, 11:58 AM)
Last season we took maximum points from MU but what the heck nobody took advantage.

This time we will take 3 points and CR9 (make him an offer he can't refuse).

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We have the money to take the honey. No? whistling.gif

Looking forward to the Derby?
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The 6 points you took from United didn't bear any significance to City whatsoever right? Still not in CL. So umm, what's the point in bragging about it? rofl.


Added on January 20, 2009, 12:03 pmEven TS is not making sense in his words.

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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 20 2009, 12:01 PM)
The 6 points you took from United didn't bear any significance to City whatsoever right? Still not in CL. So umm, what's the point in bragging about it? rofl.
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It has nothing to do with this thread YOU created. Zzz?

p/s: funny you're spewing nonsense in the ARSENAL thread now? XD And I just realised that you copy pasted the same nonsense in the LIVERPOOL thread. Got gunned down in there straight away though. XD

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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 20 2009, 12:06 PM)
It has nothing to do with this thread YOU created. Zzz?

p/s: funny you're spewing nonsense in the ARSENAL thread now? XD
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I guess by now you know I'm not in favor of MU running away with the title eh XD

Buying success ( Berbatov, Vidic, Rio, Nani, anderson, Owen, CR90 thru predatory raiding of top talents from lesser EPL clubs and from owners with wall street investment funds.

And cry fowl when real money is involved. Go figger.

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Oh well, I guess I should cut you some slack. Looking at how City have been performing, it's no wonder you choose to spend more time on Fantasy Football. Gonna leave you to dream some more now. Take care wink.gif
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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 20 2009, 12:16 PM)
Oh well, I guess I should cut you some slack. Looking at how City have been performing, it's no wonder you choose to spend more time on Fantasy Football. Gonna leave you to dream some more now. Take care wink.gif
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Don't you think Toffees did MU a Derby favor today.

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My personal take is that while beating your rivals may not secure you the title, it does give you bragging rights for awhile at least.
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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 19 2009, 07:11 AM)
Now if RM was said to be willing to offer £85 million for CR9 before this Kaka saga.

What do you think they have to cough up now (£120 million?).

Mind you R80 arrival help bring titles to Barca. Truly, RM really has no choice? just wait the next RM president see what he has to used as bait to be Prez.

As for Kaka like I say, he will be the honey (together with Robinho) that will attract other top flight talents to City. ManC success takeoff will enhance club value to £500-600 million at least. No?

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hey may i know which CR9 are u referring at?
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My personal take is that while beating your rivals may not secure you the title, it does give you bragging rights for awhile at least.
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My sentiments exactly. the euphoria among the city divide s'times last for for a season if maximum points were taken.
Ask the mancunians last season. But then MU has to take the titles (party pooper).
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QUOTE(niuchin @ Jan 20 2009, 01:24 PM)
My sentiments exactly. the euphoria among the city divide s'times last for for a season if maximum points were taken.
Ask the mancunians last season. But then MU has to take the titles (party pooper).
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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Jan 20 2009, 12:58 PM)
hey may i know which CR9 are u referring at?
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he is referring to urs team CR7......in previous some post ago, there is a news claiming CR7 already register CR9 at Real madrid........ nod.gif nod.gif
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he is referring to urs team CR7......in previous some post ago, there is a news claiming CR7 already register CR9 at Real madrid........ nod.gif  nod.gif
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if man city really come out with the money to sign c.ronaldo at 120mils pounds.. Man utd should sell him away lar.. use the money n rebuild another team...c.ronaldo is important but man utd not a one player club...im sure there are other talents out there..

man city should know, club manager very important to attract best player of the world.. they should find a big name coach then players will start to look at man city.. hughes to go end of season??

hope man city do not end up like chelsea where the boss seem less interested in the club anymore..
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Robinho is AWOL because of no Kaka and broken promises.
Bellamy (Hughes toa-tai) signing of which does not augurs well for City. He is more trouble than he is worth.


Kaka signing apparently derailed by City management nincompoops and 'sabotage'. They kaka-up. Hughes has to go.
They are not serious and if I am the Sheikh I will fire all of them.

They screwed up the negotiations. Didn't show the money.

You can read between the lines.

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QUOTE(Reddy818 @ Jan 20 2009, 01:51 PM)
if man city really come out with the money to sign c.ronaldo at 120mils pounds.. Man utd should sell him away lar.. use the money n rebuild another team...c.ronaldo is important but man utd not a one player club...im sure there are other talents out there..

man city should know, club manager very important to attract best player of the world.. they should find a big name coach then players will start to look at man city.. hughes to go end of season??

hope man city do not end up like chelsea where the boss seem less interested in the club anymore..
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Can't agree with you more.

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A twist to the tale. Kaka signs!!

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I suggest u open up a Man city thread
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Manchester City have confirmed that Robinho is no longer at the club's training camp in Tenerife.

The Brazilian reportedly stormed out of the camp on Monday night after learning that the club would not be signing his international team-mate Kaka.

It is believed the 24-year-old has grown sullen at Eastlands, as he has become frustrated with City's underperformance on the pitch, while his latest outburst threatens his own future at the club, with Chelsea monitoring the situation.

Robinho is believed to have flown back to Brazil to consider his situation at City, but the club have given no official reason for his departure.

The Blues smashed the British transfer record when they splashed out £32.5million on the 24-year-old in August last year and, on a personal level, Robinho has been a success, netting 12 goals for his new club - becoming an instant hit with the City faithful.

But the player has a history of problems off the pitch, with then-Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon claiming that ''his departure from Madrid [to City] wasn't just due to sporting reasons, there is something else, which I can't understand.''

Robinho has also hit out at City this season, criticising them for their "small-time mentality", which had many questioning his commitment to the club.

City's failure to establish themselves in the top half of the table under manager Mark Hughes is bound to be a further source of disappointment and it is believed a bust-up with the City boss is at the heart of the matter.


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Added on January 20, 2009, 5:43 pmBtw, this thread is no longer serving it's original purpose. I second solstice's suggestion.

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Manchester City seriously need to stop buying title....

They should learn from Man Utd on how to "build" success but not "buy" success.


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QUOTE(TeckPeow @ Jan 20 2009, 06:03 PM)
Manchester City seriously need to stop buying title....

They should learn from Man Utd on how to "build" success but not "buy" success.
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Premier League title... smile.gif

even if they are unable to buy the title this season.. they will still try again next season...

bad news to all Man Utd fans sad.gif


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uhh... bad news...?
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I will try. thxs.
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IIRC there's an existing citeh thread edi.


Added on January 20, 2009, 8:12 pmhere u go..the thread was deserted since 10Dec08.

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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 20 2009, 06:32 PM)
uhh... bad news...?
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hahaha man citeh can become instant chelsea but will not be instant legacy like man utd 4eva whistling.gif
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hahaha man citeh can become instant chelsea but will not be instant legacy like man utd 4eva whistling.gif
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I hate clubs that buy instant success like Chelsea and Man City.... mad.gif



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there's only one Manchester team in Manchester ....and that's United
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A good majority of Manchester's occupants would disagree with you. Some would even suggest that Old Trafford isn't even in Manchester.

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People seem to forget that Chelsea was already a half decent club when Roman came with his moneybags...

During the Hoddle-Gullit-Vialli years (IINM starting from 1994), they managed to bring in experienced internationals, starting with a strong foundation in Dennis Wise and Mark Hughes, and then adding Gullit and Vialli themselves, then LeBouef, Zola, Desailly, Deschamps, T.A Flo, etc etc.

Slowly but surely, they were building themselves a very good team and the riches from Russia merely accelerated this process.

Man City on the other hand, only had good youngsters and journeymen prior to the Sheikh takeover. How then do they expect to attract World Class players 7-8 months into their ownership?

But, I have to say recruiting the likes of Kompany, SWP, Robinho and De Jong is a step in the right direction for them. If they manage to finish in the top 5 consistently and with cup wins here and there in the next few years, then they would easily be able to attract top quality players... And that's when the rest of us will have to be really worried!

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If Citeh fans are willing to acknowledge the "manchester derby", I wouldn't want to question as to whether United are in Manchester or outside. smile.gif

And, when we say there's only one team in Manchester, don't take it literally (or not biggrin.gif )
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 21 2009, 03:31 PM)
A good majority of Manchester's occupants would disagree with you. Some would even suggest that Old Trafford isn't even in Manchester.
As for Man City claims that most Man Utd fans don't even come from Manchester,
Since there are less Man City fans here, I thought they'd need more ammunition to make this debate more interesting smile.gif
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y u ppl keep sayin chelsea buy succes?....is like..everything chelsea does...u all gona criticize tat wad chelsea does in these few years was juz money...money does the job for chelsea....zzzzz..u all gona go around running lips with chelsea = money...
man united ...didnt buy player?...wads rio ferdinand?hargreaves?ronaldo?carrick?rooney?berbatov?tevez?van der sar?u wan me to name more if u wan....
if u add up the amount...its almost..similar ...amount...or it could be more than chelsea's spending....
is juz that the transfer goes 1 by 1....
n chelsea buy in 1 shot...
it makes diffrences?

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QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 21 2009, 10:16 PM)
y u ppl keep sayin chelsea buy succes?....is like..everything chelsea does...u all gona criticize tat wad chelsea does in these few years was juz money...money does the job for chelsea....zzzzz..u all gona go around running lips with chelsea = money...
man united ...didnt buy player?...wads rio ferdinand?hargreaves?ronaldo?carrick?rooney?berbatov?tevez?van der sar?u wan me to name more if u wan....
if u add up the amount...its almost..similar ...amount...or it could be more than chelsea's spending....
is juz that the transfer goes 1 by 1....
n chelsea buy in 1 shot...

it makes diffrences?
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There you go.

What Chelsea did to the transfer market, I'm sure you have more to tell me. That is why, players like Bent is "worth" 17million now.
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QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 21 2009, 10:16 PM)
y u ppl keep sayin chelsea buy succes?....is like..everything chelsea does...u all gona criticize tat wad chelsea does in these few years was juz money...money does the job for chelsea....zzzzz..u all gona go around running lips with chelsea = money...


As Zan81 has quite rightly said, Chelsea did have a decent squad even before Abramovich dumped barrel loads of rubles into the club. However it has to be said that his generous spending did give you an edge of over other clubs that were vying for a place amongst the top four. i.e. Aston Villa, Newcastle & Tottenham. Chelsea may have gotten there on their own in time but one cannot argue that Roman's spending accelerated the process which leads to people saying that you "bought" success.

QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 21 2009, 10:16 PM)
man united ...didnt buy player?...wads rio ferdinand?hargreaves?ronaldo?carrick?rooney?berbatov?tevez?van der sar?u wan me to name more if u wan....


I've given my 2 cents on this before but it's easy for fans not of the 80's or early 90's era to forget. Man Utd took the long road to success. It took Fergie 7 years to win the title if I'm not mistaken. Much of their success in the 90's was due to the emergance of players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, David Beckham, the Neville's, Nicky Butt, etc. Star players like Peter Schmeichel ($530,000) and Eric Cantona ($ 1.2 million) were acquired at reasonable amounts. Yes they have spend a lot on players now and could even afford a couple of expensive flops most notably Juan Sebastian Veron but their road to success was a longer one.

QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 21 2009, 10:16 PM)
if u add up the amount...its almost..similar ...amount...or it could be more than chelsea's spending....
is juz that the transfer goes 1 by 1....
n chelsea buy in 1 shot...
it makes diffrences?
Personally I think it does because what creap has posted, you inflated the price of players and their wages by offering them obscene amounts of money. In layman terms, you "spoil market". Now clubs stall for "better offers" knowing that some ultra rich club may come in to offer them an obscene amount for their star player(s). Players themselves are demanding for higher wages knowing that clubs like Man City most recently, can offer them twice what they are currently getting. You may not realise or admit it, but it really have impacted the game greatly.

At the end of the day though, winning is winning.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 22 2009, 09:51 AM)
As Zan81 has quite rightly said, Chelsea did have a decent squad even before Abramovich dumped barrel loads of  rubles into the club. However it has to be said that his generous spending did give you an edge of over other clubs that were vying for a place amongst the top four. i.e. Aston Villa, Newcastle & Tottenham. Chelsea may have gotten there on their own in time but one cannot argue that Roman's spending accelerated the process which leads to people saying that you "bought" success.
I've given my 2 cents on this before but it's easy for fans not of the 80's or early 90's era to forget. Man Utd took the long road to success. It took Fergie 7 years to win the title if I'm not mistaken. Much of their success in the 90's was due to the emergance of players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, David Beckham, the Neville's, Nicky Butt, etc. Star players like Peter Schmeichel ($530,000) and Eric Cantona ($ 1.2 million) were acquired at reasonable amounts. Yes they have spend a lot on players now and could even afford a couple of expensive flops most notably Juan Sebastian Veron but their road to success was a longer one.
Personally I think it does because what creap has posted, you inflated the price of players and their wages by offering them obscene amounts of money. In layman terms, you "spoil market". Now clubs stall for "better offers" knowing that some ultra rich club may come in to offer them an obscene amount for their star player(s). Players themselves are demanding for higher wages knowing that clubs like Man City most recently, can offer them twice what they are currently getting. You may not realise or admit it, but it really have impacted the game greatly.

At the end of the day though, winning is winning.
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You have to understand that before Chelsea, Man U were always the biggest spenders. 1.2 Million was a lot of money at that time. Do you remember that Andy Cole was actually the record buy at that time at 8 million if i can remember. And they have always been engliand 'favourite' team. So seriously they have been always punching above their weight. Yes they did develop new players and they did went through a large period of transition but you have to understand that they always had the edge over the others.

Actually come to think about it, if you read other posts, Man City did not really spoil the market for unknown players. All Man City did was severely inflate the price of superstars. So there is a need for clubs that do not have much cash to now then it is up to you to do your own wheeling and dealing and find potential superstars instead of already made ones.

Winning is not everything if it is not sustainable. Do you call a club like blackburn or even newcastle a success? I mean they were never able to sustain their success and now they are such a joke.

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QUOTE(creap @ Jan 21 2009, 10:56 PM)
There you go.

What Chelsea did to the transfer market, I'm sure you have more to tell me. That is why, players like Bent is "worth" 17million now.
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there's only one Manchester team in Manchester ....and that's United
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Bro, I think you better think twice before you say this. If you are true English Football Fan, as I am not. But I think you should know this fact. I've got some friends living in Manchester and they told me those who stays in Manchester, Supports Manchester City! I guess the one team in Manchester should be the one in Maine Road.


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Unless City get Jose Mourinho, if not MC wont be the next Chelsea...
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jan 22 2009, 09:57 AM)
You have to understand that before Chelsea, Man U were always the biggest spenders. 1.2 Million was a lot of money at that time. Do you remember that Andy Cole was actually the record buy at that time at 8 million if i can remember. And they have always been engliand 'favourite' team. So seriously they have been always punching above their weight. Yes they did develop new players and they did went through a large period of transition but you have to understand that they always had the edge over the others.


I'm not suggesting they didn't spend but not in the same manner that Chelsea did. Heck I'm not defending Man Utd but they did an excellent job in marketing themselves worldwide, to the Asian market in particular. If Liverpool had taken advantage of their success in the 80's and done the same, who knows how much we'd have in our coffers right now. To a large extent, the success of Man Utd looked more like it was planned and measured. Where do you reckon they got the money to spend on players like Andy Cole?

QUOTE(sylar111 @ Jan 22 2009, 09:57 AM)
Winning is not everything if it is not sustainable. Do you call a club like blackburn or even newcastle a success? I mean they were never able to sustain their success and now they are such a joke.
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You are right which is why I'm a firm advocate of the saying that money cannot buy success. For it to be sustainable, you need a plan or a roadmap, not just a long list of players you'd like on your team. Spending huge wads of cash on players without considering if your chequebook balances itself may not bring about sustained success. It is why I agree with the notion that there are only really two big clubs in England because neither Arsenal or Chelsea have dominated for a sustained period of time in the way that Man Utd have in the 90's and 00's or Liverpool did in the 70's/80's. I'm not taking the piss, but as you've suggested, success has to be sustained.
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I'm not suggesting they didn't spend but not in the same manner that Chelsea did. Heck I'm not defending Man Utd but they did an excellent job in marketing themselves worldwide, to the Asian market in particular. If Liverpool had taken advantage of their success in the 80's and done the same, who knows how much we'd have in our coffers right now. To a large extent, the success of Man Utd looked more like it was planned and measured. Where do you reckon they got the money to spend on players like Andy Cole?
You are right which is why I'm a firm advocate of the saying that money cannot buy success. For it to be sustainable, you need a plan or a roadmap, not just a long list of players you'd like on your team. Spending huge wads of cash on players without considering if your chequebook balances itself may not bring about sustained success. It is why I agree with the notion that there are only really two big clubs in England because neither Arsenal or Chelsea have dominated for a sustained period of time in the way that Man Utd have in the 90's and 00's or Liverpool did in the 70's/80's. I'm not taking the piss, but as you've suggested, success has to be sustained.
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bet duke is someone who understand how the football game is plan ,played , administered and marketed . it's a combo package now

it remain to be seen what man city owners wants in the long term . at the moment i could only see them as wanting instant success and fame . no matter how much money they have , one of the best way to buy instant fame are through buying a EPL club , pump lots of money into the transfer market for good or sometimes even average players and sit back and hope for success and if things didnt go well as expected , will start to interfere with footballing issues they are not train to understand . rich owners buying into club and invested heavily on players would naturally want to have big say in transfers market. wonder how often they might peep into the shower and dressing room .


i shall wait for the day when suddenly Roman said , Chelsea no longer is my plaything and chelsea will then be back in the good old days of sitting in mid-table where winning the FA cup or even the League is consider a big success

just as the new owner of man city just discovered , willingness to pay the highest amount of money will not guarantee the player they wanted , whats more , success on the pitch . To attract big name players, the club need history and a brand image and ofcoz a fierce ambition , the last of which they dont lack at this moment . I rate Mark as a decent manager at such a young age , but his name could and will not attract star player and even with kaka , bridge ,bellamy and robinho around they may struggle in the BPL but such is the truth of the present situation at city ,unless the owner are patience which i dont think they are and would , the only alternatives is to spend big , big and big . every other club that city approach for players will want to milk every drops of susu from the world richest club . just ask the russian guy .

i fully support and shared SAF belief that club have to create and build their own youth players or to buy young players from elsewhere as with such good foresight ,judgment and youth development program, this can save the club lots of money but at the same time , if needed , the club must be willing to spend big on players he believe will deliver for the club . of course every youth development plan created , every purchases on player must be translated into success on the pitch with as many trophies as possible and the bigger the better , as that is what counts before one can think of marketing a " brand " image

every manager or club are bound to make a few mistakes and some could be very costly as well in the transfer market . the issue is , how much could the club afford to lose on those lost transfer transaction and what other income or even profits generated within the club revenues could be use to balance this transfer losses .

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bet duke is someone who understand how the football game is plan ,played , administered and marketed . it's a combo package now


I think it's common sense lah. If a clubs only source of transfer funds is from rich investors then there would be a massive disparity between clubs. Other sources of revenue from TV, merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc contribute to it as well. Yes Fergie did spend a fair bit but a lot of the income came from marketing initiatives, which reinforces my belief that Rick Parry is a d***.

QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jan 22 2009, 01:35 PM)
i fully support and shared SAF belief that club have to create and build their own youth players or to buy young players from elsewhere as with such good foresight ,judgment and youth development program, this can save the club lots of money but  at the same time.
Not only can this help clubs save, it can also help clubs make money. If you are a smaller club like Southampton for example, you stand to profit from selling good young players to bigger sides, and you can then expand your squad. Look how much they got from the sale of Theo Walcott. If you are a bigger side, you stand to profit from shipping out players who don't make the grade to smaller clubs.
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Now this might be more feasible

"Kaka to go to Liverpool" if he is being sought by Rafa.


"Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks is in tentative talks with representatives of the Al Kharafi family, whose head Nasser is the 48th richest man in the world with an £9bn fortune."


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Ok I think this is starting to become a little bit of a joke now. Nigel De Jong is a good player from what little I've seen of him but to pay almost 10 times the amount Hamburg paid for him just a few months ago? Shay Given? Decent keeper but in Joe Hart, City already have one of the best young English keepers in the game. Robinho for Drogba? No disrespect to Drogba but to swap one of the best young footballers in the world with an ageing warhorse? I'm really beginning to wonder if the new owners have a clue.
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Ok I think this is starting to become a little bit of a joke now. Nigel De Jong is a good player from what little I've seen of him but to pay almost 10 times the amount Hamburg paid for him just a few months ago? Shay Given? Decent keeper but in Joe Hart, City already have one of the best young English keepers in the game. Robinho for Drogba? No disrespect to Drogba but to swap one of the best young footballers in the world with an ageing warhorse? I'm really beginning to wonder if the new owners have a clue.
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Not to mention that City could've bought De Jong for 2.7 million during the summer due to his release clause. I'm sure they have a good enough stand-in midfielder now in Vincent Kompany or even Gelson Fernandes.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 23 2009, 11:39 AM)
Ok I think this is starting to become a little bit of a joke now. Nigel De Jong is a good player from what little I've seen of him but to pay almost 10 times the amount Hamburg paid for him just a few months ago? Shay Given? Decent keeper but in Joe Hart, City already have one of the best young English keepers in the game. Robinho for Drogba? No disrespect to Drogba but to swap one of the best young footballers in the world with an ageing warhorse? I'm really beginning to wonder if the new owners have a clue.
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read the newspaper?

there's a release clause in De Jong contract come this summer for just a couple of million and Man City can't even wait for that.

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Not to mention that City could've bought De Jong for 2.7 million during the summer due to his release clause. I'm sure they have a good enough stand-in midfielder now in Vincent Kompany or even Gelson Fernandes.
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read the newspaper?

there's a release clause in De Jong contract come this summer for just a couple of million and Man City can't even wait for that.

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Being rich is one thing. But to insanely inflate prices of players and to close business deals without a hint of common sense will just spoil the market and reflect badly on the English Premier League as a whole.
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Being rich is one thing. But to insanely inflate prices of players and to close business deals without a hint of common sense will just spoil the market and reflect badly on the English Premier League as a whole.
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Manchester City have literally paid the price for their impatience in the transfer market after it emerged that £17m new signing Nigel De Jong had a £2.3m release clause in his contract that would have activated in just four months.


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QUOTE(Ken @ Jan 23 2009, 12:07 PM)
City could have signed De Jong for £2.3m
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chelsea and MU never do this  tongue.gif
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they are in desperado mode right now after kaka snubbed them......btw shouldn't man city goes for DEF rather than attacking player since their def really lousy at the moment?? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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No super famous defensive player at the moment. That's why. LOL.
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Thing is De Jong is hardly a world class player is he? To pay over the top shows just how desperate City are in showing the world that the have the dough and are unafraid to use it. The Kaka diss must have caught them off guard, but I think they've got a point to prove to everyone that they mean serious business. The signings so far have come short of the Galactico's batch they were reportedly linked to. Bellamy? Bridge? De Jong? Good players, but no where near the class of Robinho.
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Ya, they really need another tough defender.


-----------------------------------------------------------------Joe Hart/Kasper Schmeichel


---------------------------------- Micah Richards ---- Tal Ben Haim ---- Richard Dunne (captain) ----Javier Garrido/Wayne Bridge


--------------------------------------------Nigel de Jong/Dietmar Hamann ------- Vincent Kompany/Pablo Zabaleta


----------------------------------------------- Shaun Wright-Phillips---- Stephen Ireland ----- Elano/Martin Petrov


-----------------------------------------------/Craig Bellamy ---- Robinho ----- Bojinov/Benjani Mwaruwari


Added on January 23, 2009, 1:33 pmMaybe they should try some talent Asia player...

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You guys forget that Kompany plays at centreback for Belgium and his previous clubs. I have a feeling he'll be moved back there with De Jong's arrival.

On the subject of inflated prices, Spurs are no better. 14m for Defoe and Palacios. And here we are at Arsenal trying to get Arshavin for 12m. Obviously Zenit want 20m if the likes of Darren Bent were sold for 16m... bloody 'ell...

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i think we need to open 1 more new thread soon , if dubai DIC group buy over liverpool fc. " will liverpool become then next man city"


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man city wannabe line up

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ROFL nice 11 there! XD
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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 23 2009, 03:56 PM)
ROFL nice 11 there! XD
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funny article...so will chelsea be the next man city? tongue.gif

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Arab tycoon to lead Chelsea takeover bid?


The Arab tycoon behind the takeover of Manchester City may become the man to finally test Roman Abramovich's Chelsea resolve.

The Russian billionaire owner insists he has no intention of selling the club - a position underlined by chief-executive Peter Kenyon at a fans' forum last weekend.

But Dr Sulaiman al-Fahim, working with a group of German investors, believes everything has its price - and may be ready to launch a takeover bid.

Fahim is understood to have drawn up a proposal with Falcon Equity - a Swiss-based private equity partnership.

Fahim, CEO of Abu Dhabi-based Hydra Properties, also chairs Falcon Equity, which is run by Holger Heims, former managing partner of 'DVC' Deutsche Venture Capital.

''We have looked before at some European clubs to see if the numbers added up, and now we are doing the same with Chelsea,'' admitted Heims. ''I can't go into more details at this stage.''

''I don't believe anything is ever not for sale if you come up with the right price. It's not about trying to buy a football team but about a business.

''You don't make money because 11 guys run around the pitch, you make money because of all the other commercial aspects that go with a football club, particularly real estate and television rights.''

Fahim added: ''It's not entirely clear if Chelsea is for sale, but regardless of that, we first need to see if we are in a position to buy it.

''Given that Roman Abramovich has invested more than £500m into the club, it would not be cheap, and with the current credit crunch, nobody wants to be over-exposed on one deal.

''But through a number of investors, there is money available to put together a deal,'' he told Arabian Business.

Abramovich's personal fortune is understood to have been affected by the global credit crunch but he is expected to underline his continuing commitment the club when their accounts are published next month.

But Fahim will have to come up with an exceptional deal to persuade Abramovich to relinquish his hold on the Blues - especially as he continues to reject any suggestion of selling up.

Kenyon said: ''We have had investment of £600m in the last five-and-a-half years with excellent facilities and football during that time.

''Next year we expect our operating profit to break even. Our financial accounts for 2007-08 are published in February and any notions about the owner losing interest are dispelled in that.

''The owner does not have to sell Chelsea and he doesn't want to.''

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=4716
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It looks like some club/s will have new owner/s. Its inevitable.

Kaka and Robinho end up in Chelsea. Why not?

Contrary to most public opinions the Arabs are shrewd investors.

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haha...i was looking for this image high & low just now. nod.gif nod.gif this is the one. pwnage!! flex.gif

EDIT: oi, why berba become keeper?? bcos he's the tallest izit?? mad.gif mad.gif shuda been buffon la.

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QUOTE(jerseybuyer @ Jan 23 2009, 02:51 PM)
i think we need to open 1 more new thread soon , if  dubai DIC group buy over liverpool fc. " will liverpool become then next man city"


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lol...all out attack formation ftw!!!
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Now, will Chelsea be the new Man City? ROFL.
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Geez... They might as well call it the APL... Arab Premier League...
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QUOTE(jerseybuyer @ Jan 23 2009, 02:51 PM)
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Berbatov as keeper? That's wasting. Get Phil Neville instead. He can play as full back, dm and even keeper!!! laugh.gif

Fuhyoo, last season when Howard was down on ground, he punched the ball out for Howard,showing his talent as a goalkeeper.Get him better la. laugh.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 24 2009, 01:50 AM)
Berbatov as keeper? That's wasting. Get Phil Neville  instead. He can play as full back, dm and even keeper!!! laugh.gif

Fuhyoo, last season when Howard was down on ground, he punched the ball out for Howard,showing his talent as a goalkeeper.Get him better la.  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Not star/popular enough la. That's the (only) reason.
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Mancity can never be like Chelsea... Who is ManCity compared to Chelsea... Even b4 Roman bought it we were UEFA Cup status...
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QUOTE(Rhadykall @ Jan 24 2009, 01:58 AM)
Not star/popular enough la. That's the (only) reason.
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Heskey to Villans.



England International For a mere 3.5million quids. Everybody else is sleeping.

I think MON is the Manager of the year.

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Heskey to Villans.
England International For a mere 3.5million quids. Everybody else is sleeping.

I think MON is the Manager of the year.
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That's 3.5million Villa have to pay. If they have waited until end of the season, Heskey is available for free. But, brilliant business for Villa to challenge the top four.
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That's 3.5million Villa have to pay. If they have waited until end of the season, Heskey is available for free. But, brilliant business for Villa to challenge the top four.
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no choice ... carew is still injure, harewood not good enough ...

if young or agbolagnor injure then will hit villa top 4 chance ...


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Berbatov as keeper? That's wasting. Get Phil Neville  instead. He can play as full back, dm and even keeper!!! laugh.gif

Fuhyoo, last season when Howard was down on ground, he punched the ball out for Howard,showing his talent as a goalkeeper.Get him better la.  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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you don't get the joke ... city want all espensive players on the pitch ...

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QUOTE(jerseybuyer @ Jan 23 2009, 02:51 PM)
i think we need to open 1 more new thread soon , if  dubai DIC group buy over liverpool fc. " will liverpool become then next man city"


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I dun think this is funny at all, someone already use it at Chelsea thread many years ago.....

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Added on January 28, 2009, 4:49 pmRobinho held over 'sex assault'

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Manchester City forward Robinho has been arrested by police investigating an allegation of sexual assault.



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Added on February 2, 2009, 8:57 pm"Chelsea are still trying to sign Robinho from Manchester City and are prepared to offer striker Didier Drogba, centre-back Alex, plus £20m for the Brazilian."

I WON'T BE SURPRISED AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Irony isn't it ..Chelsea wanna be MC..... instead of MC 'be the next Chelsea'.


Added on March 7, 2009, 5:00 amManchester City chances of signing David Villa could be boosted after Valencia said their finances may force them to sell the striker

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Does the 7 signings or spending on Gareth Barry, Roque Santa Cruz, Kolo Touré, Emmanuel Adebayor, Carlos Tévez, Sylvinho and Joleon Lescott signal the end of this season spending spree?

Here's what MH reveals

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Mark Hughes says his whirlwind summer of spending is over after the Club put his bold recruitment plan on fast forward and squeezed three years' work into nine months.
Manager Hughes presented his player wish-list and plans to overhaul City's playing squad to prepare for a challenge for the game's top honours at a pivotal board meeting in December 2008.

But instead of being expected to build his new-look squad over a period of four transfer windows as he expected, The Blues boss was given the green light to land 12 players in jut two.

He said: "You never say never in football, and you sometimes have to react to certain circumstances, but touch wood, we don't get any injuries that would change our circumstances.

"We are very comfortable with what we've been able to do. I outlined my plans to the board in December 2008, told them the players and the quality of players that we needed.

"Obviously at that point there was a budget allocated, but that budget was accelerated and we've done a lot of work in a short space of time - probably three years' work in nine months.


We've come close to getting almost all the players I spoke of in that meeting, which is fantastic - not just from my point of view, but for everybody connected with the Club.



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It is no coincidence that Hughes has recruited players as much for their attitude and work ethic as their football ability as 2009 has transformed the make-up of his squad.

Hughes believes the December 2008 strategy, which has seen 14 players released, six sold and six sent out on loan since May 20, has given him a squad equipped to go up against the best.

He said: "We were often up against teams who had greater experience when we compared them, and we knew that was a factor last year when we didn't see games out. We had to address that.

"Along with the experience we needed players with a winning mentality, we wante to bring players with character and strength of mind, who were used to being around a winning culture.

"I think every one of the players who has come in has a different mentality to the ones who have left the Club. That makes the group demanding of me and more demanding of themselves." 
 
Hughes' canny acquisition of proven winners and experienced internationals has stunned football, but the manager stresses that it is the public face of an overall development plan.

He added: "There are things going on behind the scenes. The focus will always be on the players coming through the door, and that's understandable, but improvement is happening across the board at all levels to improve our standing in world football.

"We've acquired a lot of players through the market but investment is going into the Academy and scouting department. We'll be targeting players and developing them ourselves. There is a plan for the future and the Academy and scouting department is key to that.


The way that the football and business sides have been integrated is also key. I've been quite involved in the business side, that's the way the game is going today.


Mark Hughes

"A football manager has to have an understanding of the business. There is none of the confusion that can lead to conflict. I support their aims and the support I have received has been immense. It will be reciprocated."



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2. Prediction on EPL achievements for this season
3. Who will be released or sold
4. Will Hughes be fired before the end of the season
5. Any other?



For the 2009/2010 season

1. First Squad Lineup
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Richards, Kolo, Nedum, Lescott
SWP, Barry, Ireland
Tevez, Ade, Robinho

2. Top 5 standing (4th or 5th)

3. Dunne, Petrov

4. No he will not be fired,


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i think thatsss not a thread..maybe its jsut a  discussion lol...
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For completeness this thread, which was started and has some substantial content and not to be lost , will be talk on City's signings and transfers for the season including predictions on City's season's achievements.
We welcome ABC (anybody but City) fans to contribute. sweat.gif

The other thread will be on Match Days and Games - pre and post games review etc. biggrin.gif


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IMHO, i don't think Man City will be the next Chelsea, just because both teams after being bought over and got money to spent doesn't mean both clubs are the same.

Chelsea used the money to buy players like Andriy Shevchenko, Hernán Crespo, Adrian Mutu, just to name a few, who have no experience playing in the English League. And with that, you don't see the names i mention playing for Chelsea this season for various reasons, some wanted to stay but didn't perform at all. Even now, players like Michael Ballack, Ricardo Carvalho, Michael Essien, who are the core of the Chelsea team, need a season or 2 just to "understand" how the English League work, inside and out.

Man City ?

Mark Hughes, with all the money that can match of Chelsea's, didn't follow what Chelsea did. He instead bought players who have been playing in the English League for some time, who knows how the league works, who knows how to play in the English League.

What does Shaun Wright-Phillips, Gareth Barry, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Carlos Tevez, Shay Given have in common? Simple, they all played in the English League for good amount of time with various clubs. Any manager in the English League will want the players i mentioned above in their team, no doubt about that for sure, well, if they have the money.

Question raised is that, if all of them can gel up together as a team remains to be seen, but English League ready, 100% ready.
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currently i dun think they have the name and fame to attract those star players playing in different leagues.. that's why they are buying "local players"
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i do think that man city has turned into a rather strong team although some might say that they have not totally gel together. heck, they might even have a good chance to break into the big 4 but i dont think city would lift the premiership this season. it takes much more than loads of talented english club players to win the premiership with more and more teams such as aston villa and everton trying to break into the top 4.
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QUOTE(madfag @ Aug 27 2009, 01:14 AM)
i do think that man city has turned into a rather strong team although some might say that they have not totally gel together. heck, they might even have a good chance to break into the big 4 but i dont think city would lift the premiership this season. it takes much more than loads of talented english club players to win the premiership with more and more teams such as aston villa and everton trying to break into the top 4.
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So far they have played against lesser teams and managed to scrape thru with the results. But the real tests begins when they face any of the Big 4 teams, thats when the examination of the squad really begins. Aston Villa and everton are still good enuff only for a top 6 finish
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QUOTE(TheWhacker @ Aug 27 2009, 12:02 AM)
IMHO, i don't think Man City will be the next Chelsea, just because both teams after being bought over and got money to spent doesn't mean both clubs are the same.

Chelsea used the money to buy players like Andriy Shevchenko, Hernán Crespo, Adrian Mutu, just to name a few, who have no experience playing in the English League. And with that, you don't see the names i mention playing for Chelsea this season for various reasons, some wanted to stay but didn't perform at all. Even now, players like Michael Ballack, Ricardo Carvalho, Michael Essien, who are the core of the Chelsea team, need a season or 2 just to "understand" how the English League work, inside and out.
Man City ?

Mark Hughes, with all the money that can match of Chelsea's, didn't follow what Chelsea did. He instead bought players who have been playing in the English League for some time, who knows how the league works, who knows how to play in the English League.

What does Shaun Wright-Phillips, Gareth Barry, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Carlos Tevez, Shay Given have in common? Simple, they all played in the English League for good amount of time with various clubs. Any manager in the English League will want the players i mentioned above in their team, no doubt about that for sure, well, if they have the money.

Question raised is that, if all of them can gel up together as a team remains to be seen, but English League ready, 100% ready.
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Exactly. Cogently expressed to contrast Chelsea and City differences in approach. MH revealed his blueprint for City's objective.
To foster a winning culture this season he signed top premier players who are winners (Tevez, Ade, Kolo and Lescott) with the right attitude, character, grit (Barry) and mental fortitude. He released, sold or loaned players whom he find lacking. I believed this is the right approach. All the players signed this year are EPL field trialed and proven and ready.

To me this blueprint reflects that City's management (Garry Cook - former head of Nike brand Jordan) and owners are on the right path.
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Aug 27 2009, 12:58 AM)
currently i dun think they have the name and fame to attract those star players playing in different leagues.. that's why they are buying "local players"
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QUOTE(madfag @ Aug 27 2009, 01:14 AM)
i do think that man city has turned into a rather strong team although some might say that they have not totally gel together. heck, they might even have a good chance to break into the big 4 but i dont think city would lift the premiership this season. it takes much more than loads of talented english club players to win the premiership with more and more teams such as aston villa and everton trying to break into the top 4.
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Until recently, City is a top half table team, whereas JM inherited a Chelsea team that was in the Top 4 under Raineiri. We Blue fans will be happy with a top 4 or 5 placing. We are not expected to win the league hence there is no pressure.

Given space and time we will be there once the team gelled. For the record, we have signed top EPL players.
The star players from abroad will follow suit.

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QUOTE(niuchin @ Aug 26 2009, 11:38 PM)
For completeness this thread, which was started and has some substantial content and not to be lost , will be talk on City's signings and transfers for the season including predictions on City's season's achievements.
We welcome ABC (anybody but City) fans to contribute. sweat.gif

The other thread will be on Match Days and Games -  pre and post games review etc. biggrin.gif
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and this thread can fall under that "etc" category. pls merge these 2 threads. it's damn messy in football lounge alrdy.
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QUOTE(niuchin @ Aug 26 2009, 11:38 PM)
For the 2009/2010 season

1. First Squad Lineup
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Richards, Kolo, Nedum, Lescott
SWP, Barry, Ireland
Tevez, Ade, Robinho

2. Top 5 standing (4th or 5th)

3. Dunne, Petrov

4. No he will not be fired,


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Added on August 26, 2009, 11:59 pm

For completeness this thread, which was started and has some substantial content and not to be lost , will be talk on City's signings and transfers for the season including predictions on City's season's achievements.
We welcome ABC (anybody but City) fans to contribute. sweat.gif

The other thread will be on Match Days and Games -  pre and post games review etc. biggrin.gif
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u can ask the mods to merge the threads la.
man city isnt THAT special to have 2 threads biggrin.gif
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Imagine if every team has 2 threads...How messy FL can be
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lets create a 'Will Liverpool be the next "Newcastle" ' thread biggrin.gif
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There's no need for 2 threads. For someone who called me "self-serving" for opening the RM thread, this just smacks of hypocrisy at the highest level. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Aug 27 2009, 05:20 PM)
There's no need for 2 threads. For someone who called me "self-serving" for opening the RM thread, this just smacks of hypocrisy at the highest level. rolleyes.gif
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Troll troll... Later he lepot then u know tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Aug 27 2009, 12:58 AM)
currently i dun think they have the name and fame to attract those star players playing in different leagues.. that's why they are buying "local players"
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no, those local stars players are proven, like barry, adebayor, cruz, tevez, toure, lescott


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Ops, i taught this was the main Man City thread. blush.gif

Yup, there's no need for 2 threads talking about the same club, even if the discussion is about "Is Club ABC be the next "Club XYZ".

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