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post Feb 5 2009, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Feb 5 2009, 01:42 PM)
ya...tat's y i hope ppl dump more...i still have confident in PANAMY.....since most of my electrical stuff r fr panasonic also hehehhee....reliable ma....


Added on February 5, 2009, 1:44 pmnext div not due to announced before may i think....so still got time to monitor first....kiamsiap kiamsiap hehehe
btw...i'm still monitoring uchitec also....next div (hopefully got) due around apr i think
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My house air-cons are Panasonic, washing machine - Panasonic, refrigerator - Panasonic, TV - Panasonic Viera LCD. I owned Panamy shares. If people don't know, they might think I am Pana-fanboyism biggrin.gif
No lar, not actually prefer what brand, just all buy from one shop (panasonic dealer) which is slight cheaper than market price offered by ordinary electrical shop like SenQ, Star etc.

Their financial year ended 31 March, so around April to May only will know its dividend.
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post Feb 5 2009, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Feb 5 2009, 03:36 PM)
the political issue at PERAK is getting worse, and also affect the KLCI. Better stay aside until this is calm down.
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At current situation, the Perak saga won't affect much on the market. Only if it involves federal gov then only then implication is big. State gov is powerless in term of policy making and fund allocation of gov.
So the change of Perak state gov is not having significant effect on the macro-economy term. On political front, may be a lot of consequences which will not be discussed in stock market section.


Added on February 5, 2009, 4:16 pm
QUOTE(AzerothJr @ Feb 5 2009, 04:12 PM)
all the counter I listed also bloody red. but KLCI still green green.
Btw when is the actual date for IOIP to be delisted and absorb into IOICorp?
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It is a long process, taking month or months to be completed, you need to have shareholders approval then put up time frame for IOIprop to accept the offer.

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post Feb 5 2009, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 5 2009, 03:50 PM)
wee my KLK tree is growing mini fruits now biggrin.gif

love it!

would buy more after the ex-date!
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I see some banana growing. biggrin.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

1 lot joker again, at 10.40.

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post Feb 5 2009, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Feb 5 2009, 04:22 PM)
btw...pbbank also cont to go up bit by bit although some analyst downgraded it......
looks like div stock is the name of the game rite now
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No choice for those with spare cash, either FD or stable dividend stock.

With FD rate so slow and is expecting to go down some more (to 2%), people more and less will opt some steady dividend stocks.
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post Feb 5 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Feb 5 2009, 04:50 PM)
KLK 10.5 liao! Geng....cherroy n pana belanja makan tongue.gif v go dating during chinese valentine day mau ka?
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But the proxy of KLK, BKawan doesn't want to move at all. Seem they are playing with index and supporting their portfolio instead of really want to buy.

Kinwawa,
You naik sampan, and catch Pana's oranges then during chap goh meh. Hehe.
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Didn't catch the oranges but sampan tenggelam. Haha. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 6 2009, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Feb 6 2009, 11:11 AM)
wah.. so green today..

those who bought sunway-wr now smile until mouth also cant close d right? hmm.gif
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The lowest can be bought is 0.08 only i.e this morning.

It is its first day listing, the reference price of 0.005 is absurb and meaningless.
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Feb 6 2009, 12:21 PM)
wah...so many rich ppl here....who says m'sian r suffering??? hahahaha....guess those new generation like us r the one suffering sad.gif
millions (in cash)...only possibility is maybe when i retired hahahahha


Added on February 6, 2009, 12:29 pmbtw...go go pbbank...go go KLK!
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For near term,
Pbbank, the most it can go is around 9.xx
KLK, the most it can go is around 11.xx.

More than that, it is overpriced based on current market and economy situation, unless there is dramatically improve or event that are very positive to the whole market and economy.

Just like situation I posted back then for Axreit (the most it can go is around is 1.4x in near term).

Just my view, doesn't necessary correct.

Without economy recovery and growth, there is no chance for stock price to go beyond certain level except for goreng which is not sustainable.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Feb 6 2009, 01:31 PM)
or MBA? (married but available)  brows.gif

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Look like I need to study more, learn new term today, MBA sweat.gif


Added on February 6, 2009, 2:56 pmNobody watching Maybulk? It is running away...

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Feb 6 2009, 03:16 PM)
Hold on to your KLK tight. Should be approaching 12 pretty soon. biggrin.gif

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I feel uncomfortable with KLK if it reached 12.00 while CPO below 2,000.
If CPO doesn't rise in line with the share price of KLK of any plantation stocks, I will take the profit on those and chao. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Feb 6 2009, 03:30 PM)
fear when ppl greed eh.....hehehe...tat's y u r so geng...u wont allow urself into their 'trap'
salute salute  notworthy.gif
y genting din go up one...aiseh......
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Just stand at sideline to have a clear mind. Actually if stand at sideline and forget what stocks you have or not, and have a neutral mind, you see thing more logically and clearly. People often make mistake because of too bias.

Often when people or we bought a stock, it is always norm for us to be positive or ultra-optimistic about the company etc which sometimes we forget the risk and negative factor already eventually we can't make neutral decision which neutral decision is always the more wise decision.
You don't need rocket science, nor superb strategy, just based on logical and neutral thinking, sometimes it is enough.

Ya, has been watching on Genting, the pattern of trade is not that normal. Seller are pouring out whenever buyer coming in.
It is still hovering at its recent low point. Want to grab some? brows.gif

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Speaking of recovery, among the nation, Australia might the one recover the most and fast, due to

1. Interest rate differential or drop is the steepest (may be NZ as well), so the interest drop effect will be the most.
Just like previous your rate is 7%, now become 3%, which consumers and business will feel the effect. While like Malaysia, drop from 3% to 2%, effect is minimal

2. AUD is the hardest hit currency due to unwinding carry trade, so with cheaper currency rate, it might boost export.
Australian goods become cheaper.

3. Recovery of world economy will mean commodities price surge, as AUD is commodities based currency it might be benefit from it.

So, if world economy indeed being boost by stimulus plan and manage to recover, AUD is the one to watch.

Just my 2 cents.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 6 2009, 04:34 PM)
Gamuda, LCL ( any big problem ? )

230 Billions projects  biggrin.gif
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I prefer to judge a share or company based on profitability instead of sales...

100000 billions is as good as 1 million if can't make profit.



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QUOTE(eltaria @ Feb 6 2009, 04:56 PM)
I was on the LCL bandwagon too, but cut my loss dee, moved to lionind which is moving upwards now.. recovering my losses.

Looking at LCL's 5 years AR, noticed their operating cash flow is always negative, and more worrying is their AR is actually higher than their revenue!!

How can your AR be higher than your entire year's revenue?? Means u didn't collect anything for the entire year work you did, and then some from last year's work too??

They've been heavily financed by the banks... their interest alone is worth 10 million ++
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Wow, the trade receivable is more than 300+ millions while whole year sales/revenue is 200+ millions.

I don't know details about the company or company situation, but based on this 2 figure, it somehow like making a business whole year without collecting payment from customers. If those receivable being defaulted, it can bring down the company.

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Feb 6 2009, 09:06 PM)
LCL had been operating in this mode for quite some time already (few years)... The debtor on average paid after 1yr++. This was what I wrote few weeks ago when LCL started to fall from 0.60.
My understanding is the company may have problem collecting debt in current situation, and not trade receivable suddenly shoot up.
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I don't know their nature of business, but debtor only pay after 1 years ++ sound not right at all.
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Feb 7 2009, 04:27 AM)
DJIA rallies 200 points.. even with bad job data in US.

Wow! This could be the bottom!  blink.gif
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Market cheer or up because high hope on stimulus package II which worth around USD 900 billions (3x of Malaysia biggrin.gif ) which is going to be passed.

Even locally, Malaysia will have stimulus II as well which could worth RM 20 billions at the expense of high deficit budget of gov.

Australia also has stimulus package II, wow, everywhere stimulus, stimulus, indeed it is something or economy recession most of us (those born after 70's) never seen before or experience before. sweat.gif

We might as well see the stablise of economy with little growth as well. There is no guarantee even the market has bottomed, market must go up, it can be just side way with little tilt on upside instead a V shape recovery (which a lot of people hope for, especially in stock market). It could be L shape for sometimes before everything back to normal.

Again DJ rebound from 79xx-8000 level which is the short term strong support line which has been tested three times already.

Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Feb 7 2009, 12:43 PM)
LCL recommendation by SnP

New Hold 0.88
25-Nov-08 Strong Buy 1.30
27-Aug-08 Strong Buy 2.80
2-Jun-08 Strong Buy 3.93
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This is the main problem by following their or investment house TP. sweat.gif

Strong buy at 3.93, 2.80, 1.30. But hold on 0.88, ain't 0.88 should be the stongest buy? biggrin.gif

PS: I understood fully situation is changing from time to time, so does TP.
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QUOTE(AzerothJr @ Feb 7 2009, 05:47 PM)
Hi Adam,
What do you think about some properties counter like equine, tebrau, spsetia, sunrise, uemland? Are there any propect in that?
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Except Spsetia, the rest are well known for goreng goreng.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 7 2009, 07:03 PM)
Also US Government may make certain changes to " accounting standards" , that allow banks to keep the bad loans as assets, without writing off.

If that is so, banks could report better profits in the next Q, without touching  the bad loans first. Dow could go back to 9000++.

Exceptional solution for exceptional time like this.
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I don't like this idea at all. It just like sweeping your dirt under the carpet without cleaning it which room is clean but lot of dirt hiding under.
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Feb 9 2009, 02:55 PM)
The plan of announcing the bad bank (financial rescue and recovery) plan on Tuesday is a political masterpiece. By postponing the announcement, the Senate will have the undivided attention and this will pressure the Republican Senators to pass the stimulus unwillingly. I don't think the spending bill will be defeated, but i predict it will narrowly pass.
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Whatever, stimulus plan is highly will go through, just somehow how politic plays out only.

Remember last time 700 billion TRAP being rejected in the first place, market crashed, then everyone changes their mind already and being passed afterwards. whistling.gif
No question ask how to use those money either, even changing the usage of those TRAP and strategy in mid way also, nobody raise the question.

So if stimulus plan being rejected, then what the market can do is let that DJ crash again, then it will get the green light already afterwards. cool2.gif

Just joking.


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QUOTE(jong52yuara @ Feb 9 2009, 05:46 PM)
seriously.. who is supplying the bail out money? or just permission to generate more numbers in the computer bank system?  laugh.gif
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Printers... cool2.gif biggrin.gif

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