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 Folding Bicycle like...........Dahon?, Any Idea..??? Please contribute.. Thx

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post Feb 25 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(babyshey @ Feb 25 2013, 12:52 AM)
wow 80KM ride..but do you think for foldie we will suffer? those on roadbike or mountain bike will be fast and let us behind tongue.gif
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i think the fairest answer to your question is... everyone will suffer if they ride out of their limits.. riding long distances is about knowing what you can do and ration your efforts over the entire duration...

if you keep on chasing people the entire ride... you will be spent way before reaching the end and that is where your suffering starts... so, it is important to ride within your limits and if possible, find a rider that rides at the same pace as you just to keep each other company... if you get isolated, you can start working together to share the load fighting the wind and stuff like that...

i guess, there will be inevitably riders who are competitive in nature... and they will try to drop you whenever you stick to their tail even for no reasons... you just need to know when to let them go and save your energy for the road ahead...

QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 25 2013, 01:23 AM)
Actually we use the same effort as all the other type of bikes. Difference is road bikes are faster, in fact they take more effort to push as their gears at the rear are even smaller than folding bikes, presuming if you use the same crank lah! Folding bikes uses 52 cogs in front, similar to road bikes but road bikes has an option to even engage lower gear (easier pedalling) as they have an option to shift down to 39 cogs.

As for mountain bikes they are multi geared because they need easier pedalling force as they need to cycle over rough terrain (presuming if they use it off road lah) but if used on tarred road, the speed are slower but they also have more options on gearing as most comes with at least 27 gears with some even 33 gears but on tarred road, the usual are 44 cogs in front with 11 cogs at the rear (the highest gear, means the heaviest).  Disadvantage is, when we downhill we cannot pedal anymore as the highest gear is not enough so even even we pedal it's like free gear. Unlike road bikes where the front is 52 cogs with 11 cogs rear, we can still pedal when downhill to take advantage of the force to sling us uphill after downhilling. This is off course on tarred roads.

Just count and see. If the front is 52 cogs and rear is 11 the ratio is 4.7, meaning one turn of the crank will turn the rear wheels 4.7 times and if at lowest gear 52 cogs front and 32 cogs rear means a ratio of 1.6 only. It means one turn of the crank only turns 1.6X the wheels at the back. Factor in the circumference of the wheels between the 20 inch folding bikes and 26 inch for mountain bikes or 27 inch for road bikes.

Another advantage of smaller wheel is it is easier to pedal uphill compared to larger wheels. One word says all, it all depends on the cyclist's stamina and power.
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best is to look at the gear inch calculator and you'll understand what it is all about...

http://www.bikecalc.com/gear_inches

roadies nowadays can adopt mountain bike like gearing as well pairing a 34 tooth front chain ring to a 32 tooth rear cog.. some even manage to stick MTB cassettes in all the way up to 34 tooth cog at the back...

it depends on what you ride really.... most people don't like wide range cassettes on roadies because they think it is ugly and un-professional looking...

but roadies have an advantage in it's lighter weight and lesser rolling resistance... although the gear inch might tell a different story... that is one thing that has to be factored in...not counting other stuff like power transfer, etc....
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post Feb 25 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(babyshey @ Feb 25 2013, 11:12 AM)
I'm from Old Klang Road. it would be fun if we all can ride together smile.gif
there is a bunch of folding kaki's who always roll around kesas tues and wednesday night... maybe you should find out who they are and ride with them...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 25 2013, 03:19 PM
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post Feb 28 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Feb 26 2013, 10:56 PM)
user posted image

u can....

sapu the anti monkey butt cream .... tongue.gif  biggrin.gif or chamois cream....

try different saddle with groove or lobang wan.....  biggrin.gif

try a nose-less saddle.... which is most likely not available in msia...
need to import...

i hate the saddle nose ... not a racer so don't need it..

cyclist who use the drop bars in crouching position...
the perineum is resting on the nose, tht's y they need it..

cyclist sitting upright don't need the nose....
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maybe an ISM adamo?

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nose but with a longkang in the middle to relieve the pressure on your sensitive areas...

most importantly is to have a saddle that properly supports your seat bone... for those who is interested to find out their seat bone measurements... they can try out the seat bone measuring seat at GH Speedbikes and choose a specialized saddle that suits their seat bone width if they prefer...

a proper seat that props you up via the seat bones will not cause the padding to dig into your soft spots and cause saddle discomforts....

sometimes, buying plushier saddles might not solve the problem while a firmer padding does... sounds counter-intuitive but true...

but as you say... it is something that you have to experience because wat works for one person does not for the other...

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post Feb 28 2013, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(jacketpotato @ Feb 28 2013, 06:31 PM)
Visited few bike shops today, mentioned on my issue, finally get to know the root cause. If you wear cycling pant, DON'T WEAR UNDERWEAR. It will create more friction on the "contact point". Only as newbie as me don't know this  doh.gif

Manage to clock 15km with normal pants to buy some stuffs and "ta bao", don't have this issue at all. Further prove the above statement. But not sure the numb issue is it from the same root cause ?
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errr... i think they presume everyone knows that as they buy lycra...

it is called "chaffing" in technical terms, totally different from saddle sores ...as you have a fabric material between your skin that creates friction when the lyra is supposed to actually cling to your skin..
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post Mar 1 2013, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Feb 28 2013, 09:52 PM)
some bike shop/business ppl, should start loan these bike seats to prospect customers for like 2-3 days
for them to try n test out... this should be the way...  biggrin.gif
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don't think that will happen...

if that can work, then it means bike test also will work...which is something rather risky...
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post Mar 1 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Mar 1 2013, 03:12 PM)
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Well if they think about it, how much a butt can hurt the saddle?? pay full amount for loan under agreement if rosak consider sold.
Bike can't do cos risk of wear n tear is higher than the saddle...
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i mean even though with a full payment.. there will be problems like after returning, they find some little scratches here and forced customer to pay and customer refuses and a dispute arises from there...

unless they are willing to sacrifice a couple of saddles and they use it as loan... and when customer comes back to confirm the purchase... give them a new one...

offset is that they for sure will not have so much to loan out and potential buyers might and will be on waiting list depending on how much saddles they will use to be loaners...

new ones? don't think the plan is going to work that easily...
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post Mar 1 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(DAViS @ Mar 1 2013, 04:05 PM)
It will not works. Like I loaning out my Suunto Ambit those customers want to try but do not want to pay for it, got scratches then cannot sell as new.
With Malaysian consumer attitude we do not gentlemen enough to pay for what we have tried like Mat Salleh.
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that is why i used the word "sacrifice" which the seller or business operator has to do in order to promote the use of a particular product...

which i also seriously doubt will happen as there will eventually be buyers who abuse the system and there is nothing much the other party can do about it...

then, all the arguments will come out on facebook and you know what...after that a whole bunch of "internet warriors" will come out and start siding people and the whole thing blows up and it goes back to square one...

malaysian buyers mostly want everything for themselves... cheap, fast, and all the benefits and advantages... which i think is never gonna materialize... which is why i say, if something as simple as saddle works... it potentially might for a bike as well...

and business operators are very protective of their business and this will cause things to halt and not progress...

such irony...just on a word as simple as "trust"

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post Mar 1 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(DAViS @ Mar 1 2013, 04:25 PM)
To be honest, we as supplier we know we do not trust customers more than customers trust us.
For about 10 years I have observed those try/demo products from competitor brands, friends or outsiders like the latest setup at Carrerfour Mid Valley everything tear up by giving convenient for customer to try but they just never buy. Duit belum untung, duit sudah rugi banyak.

But there is one high end/luxury industry, for demo try out it still works. Like HiFi high end setup, we delivered, setup, after a month customer happy then wrote a cheque to pay for it. Those expensive bike also can loan up to customer test ride for a week or two then customers usually will pay for it.
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even then, luxury products still have to be a loyal or long standing customer...

in some ways, if it is sold as a complete system and not just a component within the system, i think it works and that is most probably the only way to convince the customer... but will still require the customer to be a regular first in order for the business owner to trust the customer...as you say it is a luxury item which is bound to be expensive and they would not want to look cheapskate asking for money before they do anything...
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post Mar 1 2013, 05:15 PM

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unfortunately... somethings are not as simple as we think...

"trust" is not easy to come by nowadays...
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post May 17 2013, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ May 17 2013, 09:20 AM)
Have you tried riding your friends MU or Speed? If you haven't ride it, you can't really compare. Everyone can reach the destination given time and also the fitness of each rider or the type of bike. Even my grandfather used to ride from Pulau Betong to Bayan Lepas frequently on a single speed monster in the yesteryears. It's a matter of your determination but mostly, I have to admit it the pride of owning a branded bike also. It's part of making us enjoying the bike.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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slow or fast doesn't matter... as long as you make it to finish the ride...

cyclist nowadays are too fixated on being the fastest on the road and dunno wat else that goes through their mind... most importantly... enjoy the ride.. not, enjoy what you ride...

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