Wanted to create a topic out of that gamepath so we know what's going wrong with the lagspike on 25-man..

I'm having this problem too, started since last 2 month ago.. before this, raids on BCrusade 25man was awesome and smooth, the only lag is when TMNET international connection were screwed..

And now, I'm lagging on any WoTLK 25-man boss pull only (trash pull were fine I don't know why :S).. 10-man were smooth and there's a topic on wow forum too listed more than 10 pages long with player among US and Asia having the same problem.. Might be our ISP, or might be not, anyone using TMnet / Jaring can post their 25-man experience here?

I have received reply like graphic card issue or computer requirement and no, i'm using quad core and my graphic don't lag, i can walk smoothly around just that everyone is standing still and zoom I'm dead out of nowhere haha..

Strange thing is, I'm the only one on that 25-man raid lagging, everyone seem to be doing their jobs smoothly..

And oh yeah, I tried on my normal streamyx connection and lowerping, both have the same results.. The only thing I haven't tried is Jaring and normal dialup xD

This post has been edited by shoduken: Jan 2 2009, 08:40 PM

yeah i have the same problem too. where are u playing from?

garona and eredar here.. i'm having the same lag while raiding on both server.. btw i just transfered there from frostmourne, which means 25man that i run in frostmourne during bc is smooth.. i'm not sure if it's server related problem on US / Oceanic.. i'm gonna try back Oceanic server to see if it's lag on 25man or not..

i having the same problem too
but i only got this problem last week

10 man no problem only 25 man got problem

trash pull no problem unless thats massive aoe.
few of my friend that in the same server also have the problem
my ip range is 60.48, 60.49, 60.50,60.51,60.52,60.53

60.49 was the best with gamepath b4 the international cable putus


btw im barthilas oceanic

As the owner of Gamepath, let me explain more clearly the problem you are facing:

Your data going out ---> Other servers overseas with bottleneck ---> WOW Svr

But if your data going out portion itself is having bad issues, like slow speed or bad line, it won't help. This is because in order to lower latency, all ping lowering services require your bandwidth line to work stable and harder.

The explanation is roughly this. When you connect normally to wow, your data usage would be like 20k/s (example) for 800 ms worth of ping. This is set by your game. But if you use Gamepath, it forces the game to use 40k/s or more instead, thus your ping lowers drastically based on that. Now in the situation of a bottleneck, (internet traffic jam), or bad connection, your connection TO the Gamepath or any other server is unable to sustain the higher bandwidth requirement for better ping, hence you lag.

That is why in 10 man, 5 man grp etc you don't lag, because the requirement is lower than in a 25 man situation where more data is required and your connection somehow cannot reach the requirement.

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Added on January 3, 2009, 2:42 amI hope this explanation clears things up for you guys. I don't think any other services will bother to investigate and troubleshoot the problem for you guys nor will they explain it to you.

Generic answer from them is, try changing another server cause they don't want to lose your business and tell you the real issue.

Kindly remember Gamepath is a service for everyone to enjoy and not out to make money from people, most of the payments I get are for covering the cost of operating so many servers for everyone to choose from. No other provider has as many different types of servers as Gamepath.

This post has been edited by ekwk: Jan 3 2009, 02:44 AM

I hope you can solve this asap man, cause so far my experiences with 25 man on GP have been a tad bit of a disappointment.

My connection shots up to 800ms BEFORE anything starts at all. Once it starts, it'll shoot up to 1k, 2k straight up to 4k moments before I disconnect from the server. This happens just last night on my regular guild outings. I'm happy that I actually made thru one VoA encounter with a T7.5 chest, but the rest of the night is bullshit to say the least.

I've tried plethora of ip ranges. So you can safely discount that into factoring. My solo, 5 man and 10 man encounters have been satisfactory with anywhere from 300~400ms depending on gates. But 25 man is where my guild is concentrating right now and I would like to have a WORKING solution to my current situation. Which I think a good number of people here share as well. I don't mind tweaking the system or anything for that matters. My chaps down in Brunei are having similar problems as well, so umm answers?

I've 2 accounts for one month tryout at the moment and would really like to continue on using your service, but please help us on the 25 content aye?

Thank you.

Well I don't think this problem is all about lowerping/gamepath, as I already said I tried both either on lowerping or on my normal streamyx connection it's still lag the same way in 25-man..

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Added on January 4, 2009, 1:51 pmguys i found a way to fixed up my lag.. i set all setting to low while keeping my resolution back at 1440x900 and it's all smooth back -.-

it was hillarious thou, im using 9600gt so it shouldn't be a graphic problem and maybe it's bug between nvidia and the bliz wow code thing.. =|

This post has been edited by shoduken: Jan 4 2009, 01:51 PM

Hi, as much as I would like to fix this issue, it is a bandwidth connection issue that Malaysian users are facing and thus is out of my control.

with gamepath or without gamepath ?

Just ran my first heroic Naxx today and had the lag spikes that u're mentioning. One of my guildies pointed out to the links on the technical forum.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...971909544&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...368277969&sid=1

First time I've heard that NVIDIA is now providing the laptop drivers directly and not the manufacturers. So, downloading the huge download (123mb).

Am also disabling some of the Vista features that they recommended and will also chase down the SVCHOST.exe.

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Added on January 7, 2009, 4:28 pmActually, how is the gameplay on WoW Taiwan and WoW China? Do you guys have the same issues?

This post has been edited by myremi: Jan 7 2009, 04:28 PM

my vanilla ping is usually in the region of 600-800 depending on IP...

i started using the registry fix when it was discovered like 2 yrs ago.. it gives me ping of 350-450 depending on IP till even today... i have no problem with connection issue or spike or anything unless sub cable broke..

im wondering does services like LP or GP can further help reduce some more... since LP/GP also using the same tricks.. so is a bit redundant?

could be better especially when ur isp decides to screw up the routings. other than that, not really. to me, couldnt be bothered as my linux box works fine and i dont feel like paying the extra bit for rather marginal gains.

Trying to diagnose an internet connection problem based on GFX hardware/drivers is like trying to solve a stomach ache by buying larger shoes.

that is true, however, if ur having bad fps or interface lag etc, it can and WILL affect latencies.

hmm... I did not encounter any lags for the past 2-3weeks already.

I'm just using normal streamyx, nothing extra... cuz im dam noob lazy to get them...


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This post has been edited by alexision: Feb 5 2009, 09:02 PM

Well, my point being if you're getting bottleneck issues (very likely if this crops up on bosses and not trash, been there, had that happen to me, etc) it's a network issue.

The other point being it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a choppy framerate or smooth-as-buttocks FPS while everyone runs in place and characters happily channel green fistfuls of vomit, and describe the problem as such.

old/buggy raid/dmg meter/data collection mods will hog up enough bandwidth to screw your latency, and/or cause frequent disconnections.

thats one example.

How is that not a network connection/bandwidth issue? Updating your graphics card drivers won't help that. :S

never ever mentioned anything about specifically graphic issues. and its more towards interface issue than connection/bandwidth issue especially when the problem goes away by simply disabling the said problematic UI.

heck, even for graphics, if ur fps is low (sub 30), you can notice a slight increase in latency especially if ur in heavy population areas (major towns, or raids)

I'm also starting to notice that Gamepath spikes up in large raid settings, forcing me to use normal connections (higher average latency but stable) during weekend pugs. Lowerping on some gates are more stable on large raids, even though they have higher average latency than Gamepath.

Not sure what are the bandwidth requirements on Gamepath is for 25mans though. I can get downloads from warcraftmovies at 80kBps, and I normally turn off everything while playing WoW.

Think it's something done on Streamyx side. Usually daytime, ok not to use Gamepath. Then some time after 6 pm, everything lags like hell without Gamepath proxy to help with WoW.

Seems like you might have international traffic congestion. You might wanna try using our latest SG/MY server especially for these cases.

i also are facing with the same problem...

there has always been something wrong with streamyx, and the past few days, something were really really wrong....

im avoiding all 25man fights due to the fact tht i will get disconected during boss fights. even voa25 can get dced. ony was bad got dced during the whelps part (the trick is to aoe from afar) during trash fight voa25 ping 300~400. during boss 1.2k~dc =(

25 men?

i can't even think of having 10 men raid (minus all those b!tches who really wanted to be carried around by requesting GS, achievements and stats without learning proper way of the fight) without any problems since normal dungeon runs felt like 1400+ms when the latency stated only half of the value...

wtb 60.xx ip~~~

ya same thing here!! ...argh...

whoaa, oh btw im using proxy thts why my latency is ok. but i still dc during 25m. mage dc lesser i think coz i att from far not so lag. if im using my dk, graphic lag+latency = dc. /sigh i contacted my proxy provider, they say i should use another server which is in LA. but my server is in boston.

you need to keep track which server the realm you're playing is held

well, i think most US serevr is in LA

yea i know. before i used proxy. i always check my latency to boston, dallas and LA. boston latency easier to get 291ms using speedtest. LA always around 330. dallas also same. thts why i chose boston

Try using Gate 0. Worked for me.

Had an awful experience on voa25. Clearing trash was ok. When engage boss, instant DC. Tried relogging, select chr profile and enter, after loaded instantly DC again.

Thought I was being hacked. Switch chrs, it was fine. Logged out and in again for the voa25, instant DC.

After my friend inform me they killed the boss, I tried logging in and it was normal. Thankfully no one wanted the loot and I got it in the end haha. But yeah DC-ing mid fights and unable to log back sucks big time.

unforgivable gaming experience.

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Anyone knows What does this mean?
Random Request Timed Out ?





Those are pings to Gamepath (0, 220, 250) , Lowerping (Panda, Tiger), TmNet, Mmo-champ.

Its been like that since New Year, happens every night when the peak hours start (8pm onward etc) all the way until maybe 2-3am

Is there anything I could do about it?
If this continues, its gonna be really bad for raiding 25man content =(

The stability of Msia's ISP is unpredictable and I've ran out of ideas on what else I could do to get stable ping for raids at 8pm-12am nights.
Its like based on luck whether you get a good line or not for each and every day. And I guess, now is the bad period again. sigh

This post has been edited by lucust: Jan 5 2010, 11:18 PM

Looks like either Modem or Line or ISP problem. That means frequent packetloss.

More details on what exactly it is can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_loss

but it only happens during peak hours 8pm-2am, so I guess that's ISP's fault ? If so, is there any suggestions I could do about it? Thx

I'm too lagging. Suffering extreme lag before d/c twice during toc 10 run.. Happened about 9:00 to 9:30 pm.

Happened to me 10pm-ish. Using Gametune proxy which was smooth all the while. Suddenly keep getting dc. Gametune owner says might be TMNet doing some rerouting screwing up the presets on his servers.

The last time this happened late last year I had to switch from beloved 60.50 Streamyx IP which suddenly became crappy and changed to 60.52 which suddenly became the best overnight.

I always got dc and then high ping on 25man >.<
Start to pull boom dc......My fps is 60.Have no clue why......sigh.