i hav a guitar with a trem...

sometimes i use the trem..

i checked the guitar tunings... and it *lari* a little...

so i wonder.. is guitar with trem always need to tune??



and to tune Ibanez RG370DX... u need to unlock the lock at the top part of the guitar in order to tune the guitar? <asking.. hehe

Yes. Vintage trems are notorious for going horribly out of tune when even slightly depressed.

Solution?

Floyd Rose.

Cons?

Re-tuning it is a real pain. Yes, you have to unlock the clips, but you also can slight-tune with the little adjustment knobs at the end of the trem. But yes, it's quite a pain to re-tune it if you need to.

yeah its like that if your trem isnt too good. im using a licensed floyd and it does run sometimes but its not too bad.

and yes, youe to unlock at the nut before you tune, else you're gonna snap the string at the peg and the nut

If you don't do dives on a double locking trem, it can stay in tune for months.

korean ibanez ok wat...TS u using gio? if so, then most probably it wont last...my licensed floyd rose works fine...

owh.. kk thx for all the advice...

floyd rose trem? aww dangg... i guess i hav to hold on for the EMG pickups... haha...

RM400++ rite for the floyd rose trem?

and im not using GIO... its RG370DX... not GRG stuff...

This post has been edited by nohal: Dec 22 2008, 12:28 PM

i think ori FR is around Rm700.

anyway, the trick is to make sure the string has stretched. what i do is:
1. tune normally with new strings.
2. stretch the strings and retune.
3. lock and fine tune
4. leave it for about 24 hours
5. play some full bends on several location of the frets.
6. unlock and repeat step 2-3 again.
7.????
8.profit!!!

after that my guitar would stay in tune for weeks. it may still run off a bit, but not to the point where human ears can distinguish.

have you check the trem position? misalignment may contribute to tuning problem too. i heard the edge III trem isn't that good, but i don't think it's that bad though.

wuuwaiiyoyoh!!! original FR RM700++.. dang so exp.. well 1 day i shall get those...

ill try ur steps.. but not now..

rockok is selling Original Floyd Rose II Made In Germany by Schaller for RM450

http://www.rockok2music.blogspot.com/

i think thr rm700 one u saw is the Vintage 1990's edition Floyd Rose, zeroglyph

This post has been edited by Ah Shawn: Dec 22 2008, 10:54 PM

that is the cheaper floyd rose II with non-locking saddles.
weird that those non-locking saddles are still around, as they were actually put on a very cheap asian made floyd from back in the 80s.

guess this is a new hybrid of a floyd rose II with those saddles, dont bother wasting your money on them.

a proper schaller / floyd rose II with locking saddles will be RM700+.

nope, the one i saw is your standard original FR. i think the price is quite standard even for schallers too.

on the same note, anyone know the price of ibanez zero-point trem? can we actually buy it separately?

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Dec 23 2008, 01:40 PM

I've been looking for a ZR-Trem for awhile..... unless you buy an Ibanez S, it's very hard to find it as a loose piece. You might have better luck on eBay.
But I'm looking to buy an OFR to replace the one on my Razorback. Really isn't that fantastic.... goes out of tune (but then I REALLY abuse the trem), and right now, the trem bar doesn't lock/unlock properly.

This post has been edited by blacktrix: Dec 23 2008, 10:48 AM

yes, u have to unlock the nut clamp to re-tune ur guitar

this is a normal issue. if u hardly use it, i recommend u to install tremol-no. if u're a hardcore tremolo user, upgrade a better trem

The one rockok is selling is a very old (probably NOS) single locking schaller FRII
no locking saddles, so expect the tuning stability to be less steady than what you'd expect.

why don wan to use ibanez trem? floys rose is expnsve.. the hardware quality is same like ibanez floyds..

u obviously have not tried a original floyd rose yet, or seen a broken ibanez floyd yet.

the hardware quality is miles apart.

original floyd rose is pure stainless steel.
ibanez are hollow metal and have some weird filling in them.
they may have changed recently, but i doubt it.

haha.. many kind of trems i saw..

true.. seeing alone the FR trem can know the differ from others...

but RM700... wahha...

btw.. i can change it to fixed bridge rite? how much for FR fix bridge?

juz asking only..

i also wanna that OFR...haha..

sry ts i tumpang thread abit

need help here guys
on my FR the string holder (the screw to tighten the string onto the saddle) get rusty time to time

afraid it will jammed up and i cant screw or unscrew it back

do u guys put any particular product to prevent any rust??
tq

No point to fit an OFR into your Ibanez. You're better off buying a new guitar.

WD40?

@blademaster..

why ah? no point?

yeah.. i have not tried original floyd.. juz on ibanez.. but for me its just ok.. i dunno much about floyd thing..
i still love fixed bridge..

i think licence will out of tune lah

that depends actually. my schaller license is dead stable 95% of the time. i think gotoh is ok too. it's those cheaper license stuff that's bad.

i dont know bout that, but my LTD licensed FR can stayed tuned for weeks,
the trick is just like u said, u need to stretch the new strings before u locked it..

for me after installing new strings, i will not locked the nut straight away,
id left the nut unlock and played the guitar as usual for 2,3 days, that is to let the strings stretch,
then will i retune and locked the nut, after that it will stayed tuned for weeks,
even if it slightly out of tuned after weeks of abuse, i still can use the fine tuner to tune it back to pitch..

Gotoh makes better floyds than Schaller made Floyd Rose Original and Floyd Rose II now.

maybe cos the original floyd rose u may have confused the schaller with the MIC ones

yea, MIC are now making original floyd rose.
formerly was under the brand name Ping, but now they can legally put the floyd rose branding on it.

im not sure who Ping are, but i do know fender uses their tuners.
so maybe fender also owns Ping, just like how fender owns floyd rose.
so they can choose to do anything.

on that note, strings actually made some difference too. some string brands are not suitable for FR bridge. i can't recall where i read that though.

well, in my book, gotoh and schaller are somewhat on par with each other.

yeah, ive heard about it and still experimenting which string is best for my axe setup,
so far, the winner is daddario .10-.46,
currently im using ZW Sign strings, a bit disappointed with the tone tho, not my taste,
well there are lots of strings that i havent tried yet, experiment continue ..

actually, if TS wants a cheap solution, can try to find 2nd hand Schaller's Licensed FR on ebay. I'm not sure they still make them though but it's still pretty decent.

But then, what's the point of upgrading that Ibanez.

I'd say, save up a little more, get the Schecter C-1 Hellraiser FR (with Ori FR). That guitar is seriously worth way much more than it's price tag.

@blademaster

Schecter C-1 Hellraiser .. how much is that?

and i relly like that ibanez design....

I think it's around USD800 so in RM will be 3k give or take.

but that guitar seriously blows away my own PRS Hate to admit it but it's true.

RM3k!! dude.. i better go for Jackson Rhandy Rhoads 3 lol!.. or perhaps RR5...

haha...

whoa! are u sure?

RR3 is about the same price but....

RR3 has lousier Pickups (SD JB/Jazz I think) compared to the Emgs 81/89 on the Schecter
RR3 is only using a License FR whereas that Schecter is using Original FR.
Plus, I don't quite like the RR3's tone. Tested one years ago and can still remember. But the Schecter totally blew me off.
Schecter comes with 24 frets

RR3 has it's own unique tone. Sure, you can compare parts and what-not, but it still sounds unique.
I LOVE my RR3.... but I also love my Zakk Wylde LP AND my Razorback 255 AND my LP-100....... each of them has it's own unique features and quality.

yeah.. still depends on user taste...

i really like RR.. haha...

No wei, seriously the Ping one, cannot compare la
but Gotoh ones a lot more consistent than Schaller now.
=/

with that kind of money i'll rather buy the bullseye

i would get the rr3 if it had 24 frets =/
main reason why i didnt get it actually