hey there,
i just graduated from highschool and im interested in studying graphic design

im wondering which college or unversity provide better graphic design course. .
im not sure which one is better so i kinda need help choosing.

im been to some edu fairs and college , im thinking Sunway College University, which provide graphic n multimedia design , i think its quite good cos it combine both graphic n multimedia in one course unlike other institutes which separate them as two individual courses.. so i think its quite good since computer stuff is quite important nowadays..
(please correct me if im wrong)

plus sunway is alot cheaper compared to Lim Kok Wing n The One Academy because in my case money is kind of a problem.(my mom asked me to study UKM cos its cheap but i dun think UKM provide design courses)

i was thinking abt Taylors too, and also Raffles in Msia, and PJCAD..
im not sure at the three of them but im sure it'd help alot to clear things off my mind

so im asking opinions from everyone and also students who are studying graphic design which is the better institute..
or is there any other better ones out there. .locally though..

thank you for reading this post , im just very confused now..
please help me out here.. seriously need help .. lol

did u go through creative multimedia courses at MMU multimedia university ?

The One Academic

nope.. i din know abt MMU n i had no idea MMU offers such courses...

is it a good university?

im interested in the advertsing business btw. .

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Added on December 20, 2008, 10:07 pmhmm... the one academy is unaffordable for me or my family ..


thanks anyway

This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Dec 20 2008, 10:11 PM

y don u try alfa college?? nearby taman paramount at petaling jaya area ..

thanks
but do u know the course's fee?

thanks alot

=]

read the whole post here
same topic also.



http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=385285&hl=

thanks. i appreciates it . helps alot .. haha


but still wonders which one suits me the most

dasein,..
it's quite good oso..

erm...if what u want is to be a designer in advertising firm, i would advise not to enter MMU.

As a graduate from MMU FCM (faculty of creative multimedia), i don't see MMU courses help much compare to the one academy. MMU courses focus more on software skills than design sense. u can always learn the software from online free tutorial, but is the design skills that u need to learn from lecturers.

but if what u want to be is account executive or other non-design position in advertising firm, MMU is a good choice. their management courses are good. the best thing about MMU is the fee is cheaper than most private uni/college and u can easily get PTPTN to cover ur study fee + a bit of allowance. by the way, study design is an expensive subject, u need to buy a lot of art tools (brushes, colours, markers...), art material (mounting board, glue, canvas), money to print your artwork/photos (i used to print 10R/A2 size) and u really need a mid-high end digital camera (it is a must for MMU design 2nd year courses =___=)

Raffles also expensive

TOA <<<<<<

This post has been edited by Mahdi1: Dec 23 2008, 04:41 PM

yea ive seen it from the newspapers n all but very few ppl have mentioned them so i dunoe..
i dunoe if there good or bad ?

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Added on December 25, 2008, 4:17 amwoah..it kinda freaked me out ..lol

but if i can get in i think i need to pick up a part time job or sumthing .. i asked a student from sunway, she works part time too to cover the expenses, she applied for PTPTN loan too...

i went to sunway college university open day, i dunoe but they sound not too bad..
although its not as good as maybe TOA or other big shots institute but they din leave me a bad impression..

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Added on December 25, 2008, 4:19 amyea maybe but if compared to TOA OR LKW its much more cheaper...
i dunoe



This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Dec 25 2008, 04:19 AM

cosmopoint

he best in the wordl? the one and only lim kok wing. with over 9000 foreign stduents so that you will feel like in europe. you will have bigger network once you graduate. plus you can sample the culture and language of foreign countryw hile still living locally

its the coolest colleges who produce students with vision and awesome skills.

the college is also not pretentious having to resort to full page ads showing THE SAME ARTWORK of THE SAME STUDENT every year to give you the impression that the college is superb

the college also does not produce students likes its a degree mill and perverted its once proud legacy as one of malaysia's top colleges

LUCT is also alot more laid bag with the best student power compared to other college. you hate going to class? no problem. just as long as you show your work once a week to a lecturer you will be fine. the keyword here is INDEPENDENCE. you are not spoon fed or FORCED TO DO THINGS UNTILL YOU BLEED PUKE like the other colleges given above

dont believe the hype.. go to the colleges and check out of the environment suits your personality.


this is a paid advertispost sponsored by chicken king

the one. my friends all form there ..

ya im voiting for the one academy too. actually im heading to the one academy for graphic design or animation because they r more creactive. if u think that its too expensive,u can go to KBU. one of my senior went there for graphic. its more cheaper. I hope that my suggestion can help u. Good luck.

wat...
@_@
im going to mmu, and ur post kinda freaked me out a bit.

let me add the freakiness going to mmu.

I'm unsure how about other college, but you guys better be prepared to see your artworks:

thrown away from the fifth floor
stomped on the lectures feet
torn

so just imagine. you went for an outing to take photos, stick it on the mountingboard. but it is not aligned, poorly stick-ed.. the lecturer will try to kopek your's and then:

this is how you stick pictures?
why the picture isn't straight?

zrasss.. they torn your precious artwork. if you've did better, but your photo aren't that beautiful...

my son can do more better than this
this waterfall is like my tiny little son's p*ss you know. ( because that waterfall so thin )

but in the end, those tougher challenge, improve us the students

oh, those kinda treatments im used to already. i was in GMi. n the lecturers there were taken from their 'habitat'.. they really mean business when they teach..
but theyre doing it for the sake of the students. that i dont really mind la.
what im worried about was what he mentioned. those things to buy. art paper n markers n colors n all n camera summore. @_@ u need to buy a lot of art tools (brushes, colours, markers...), art material (mounting board, glue, canvas), money to print your artwork/photos (i used to print 10R/A2 size) and u really need a mid-high end digital camera (it is a must for MMU design 2nd year courses =___=)

crap2.. i really need a scholarship or loan. y no one told me about that.

This post has been edited by penmarker: Jan 3 2009, 09:56 PM

That's true. I'm currently studying foundation of creative multimedia, will be entering 3rd sem soon. Im also afraid of the expenses, especially on the camera next year. I dunno if it's a must-to-buy item, but there's people that said you could try loaning it from senior, or maybe outside provider. Aint too sure. For myself, im not rich and that thing will cost RM 2k, and u'll only be using it bcs of the photography course in a sem, 4 months time only.

What momochi zabuza said is true. However, I have to admit that all those tough challenges made the students stronger. ~.~"

Whilst saying MMU teaches more on software skills, that isnt quite true. They'll create the path for you, to stroll down to the end, become a guru in softwares, that'll be up to you. Meanwhile, to explore new things along the path, that'll be up to you too. Same thing goes for design senses. I have to admit they touched briefly on both. However, if you hold the same passion as I do, I believe you'll be finding other sources, from books, online, or somewhere else about both software skills and design senses. Then, you will improve.

This post has been edited by Resphoina: Jan 4 2009, 10:06 AM

creative media at MMU

hey there, im in the one academy taking advertising and graphic design and i find it not bad there though the campus is quite small but we are pushed very hard to work and i think its good. facilities are not bad too. near shopping malls and shoplot area so convenient and lecturers are usually young and fun. they graduate from the college itself but there are also guest lecturers. if ure worrying about the price, u wont get good education coz it is priced higher for a reason, the recognitions and achievements. my fees are about 56k for the whole diploma programme. and the way they push u is that, whenever u finish a semester and u failed at least one subject u cannot move on to the next semester until u pass everything so ur skills will be polished to make sure u reach the next sem and not just graduate without skills and capabilities. do not try sunway college's designing programme. i have a classmate that quit that programme and come to our college because he said he dint learn anything, its a waste of time and money. u can try pjcad too heard its not bad. hope this helps:)

none. it all depends on yourself.

Yes. Kinda agree with Naota-kun. Which place to further ur study is actually to brush up urself, and expose urself to that field before entering the actual one. Somewhat, to become a good one or not, it depends on urself, ur talents, ur hardwork and interest. Bad school produces good students, whilst good school produces bad students as well.

oh my god.. ur post really freaked me out... i tot my only options would ne sunway bcos its cheaper and all ..

the one academy n lim kok wing are just too expensive..

i think maybe i should consider some other college..

wat about Dasein? anyone know anything abt it?
please tell me more

thanks everyone

I'm studying in the one academy , taking multimedia design.
i think toa is pretty good

raffles is in the middle of kl , pjcad student management sucks and dont start with me bout lkw. hahaha
i have friends who go there for masscomm , music and fashion design so no comment.

its really up to you , be prepared with the chinesenism in toa thats if youre coming.

you really need the passion to put up with the stress ofcourse.

i choose to be in toa last minute like the next day registration for january intake

Open University anybody check it out already?

if u want cheaper, why dont u try go Dasein and query... its located at setapak.
i heard from my friends who r studying there say that quite a number of one academy students who cant tahan the rising fees come over to dasein to study (can any one akademi students confirm this?), but my friends artworks are quite impressing too.
but if im not mistaken they seperate multimedia and graphic design course.

i also have another friend studying multimedia design in one academy and his artworks is most impressing

cheapest place u can study design in tarc....but dun ever go or else u'll regret...

This post has been edited by jasonlim1: Jan 8 2009, 01:16 AM

oh..ive heard of dasein too, but i seldom hear ppl talk abt it here so..

where is the dasein institute? isit near petaling street ?

if im goin to tarc maybe i wont study design , might study advertising or other course.no point wasting time n money there studying graphic design there..
what are the better courses in tarc ? lol

anyone has any idea?

dasein is near wangsa maju carrefour there....its quite near to tarc setapak actually....

i think only business courses in tarc is ok lor (but u better do more survey la)

btw im a 2nd patch multimedia design graduate from tarc and currently doing advertising in utar... dun ask me why i changed my course...coz i also duno...i did it for the lulz....

is dasein good? as in a quality institute for graphic design..

my friends sister is taking advertising in utar too..
last time i saw her she was watching chicago over n over again for her assignment or something..

ive tot of stepping into the advertising field,thats the reason why i wan to take graphic design.. but ive been thinking abt taking advertising too.. it seems like theres more chance to have a job in the advertising field but my frends's sister isnt planning to do advertising after she graduates... leaves me wonder.. lol


wat are lulz?
lol

Dasein is quite good in quality as far as what i have heard from my friends.

There is no such thing as more chance to get a job nowadays....when u graduate from any course also you'll be getting a hard time finding a job....unless you're extra good in what u do...

If youre really into graphic i suggest u venture into multimedia design which you will learn 3d, motion graphics and web design...Playing with softwares such as Adobe flash, adobe after effects, 3ds max is kinda fun when u finish ur artwork but during the process you'll get a big headache....

Join more competitions to gain experience while ur still studying...and if u won some medals in these competitions, it would be an added advantage to get you hired for a job

i dont plan to do advertising after i graduate too...to be honest i kinda regret to not further my studies in the multimedia design field...


lulz kinda stands for fun...

This post has been edited by jasonlim1: Jan 10 2009, 03:10 AM

MMU or Lim Kok Wing University

but i heard dasein has not multimedia courses..

i wan to study graphic design basically is bcos i couldnt think of anything else that interest me.. and i like to draw with pen or pencil .. even when i study resulting the not so remarkable results ..lol
but not so sure about handling softwares or computer 3D stuff.. but i know 3D or multimedia this are very useful and its important so i better study abit abt it also la.. haha

do u mind telling me wat course are u taking now?
what job or field would u like to venture into after u graduate?

=]

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Added on January 10, 2009, 11:18 pmCreative Media in MMU ?
they have foundation on creative media...
but after foundation.. the have afew degree courses but i dont really understand wat the courses are..
=.=
dam paiseh

whats interface design n media innovation n digital media?
n virtual reality?

just to clear my head off...
lol

This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Jan 10 2009, 11:18 PM

even for graphic design...its about handling softwares such and adobe photoshop and illustrator and good imagination (good drawing skills comes in handy when u want to present your idea to ur clients on the spot)....well, theres always digital drawing using
"vacom" (duno how to spell it) for sketching. even for 3d animation, you'll need to do some sketching before u start modeling it.

and as i had posted in earlier posts, i had a diploma in multimedia design and now currently pursuing degree in advertising
after i graduate...i dont intend to do advertising (juz like ur sis fren) nor multimedia design. hav to take care of family business which has nothing to do with what i had studied before...lolz

erm dude
take your time have a look 1st X D

how do you guys define good in the design school?

yeap.. i think if im taking design course graphic design is wat im gonna go for ..

oh i see.. well atleast u have a family busines to take care of..

im actually kinda freaked out that ppl keep telling me that the salary is pretty low for a graphic designer.. u see.. the thing is im not just making money for myself.. i think i need to provide for my family too ..after all my parents cant work forever right?
so if its really true that the salary does not look good im afraid that i have to opt for another course to study like accountancy or business or watever..
cos im scared that my parents pay the high course fees for me to study design courses and at the end i get very low pay job which is not something that anyone would like isnt it?

cos thats wat almost everybody go for and they always tell me that all companies need ppl to count money they want many accountants or something like that .. so atleast u hav a safer job n theres always room for accountants. .
(something that is not so risky i guess thats the way to put it,or something that will make money or more profitable such as busniess studies,oil n gas engineers or other engineer or pilot n aviation they make money lol)

but the problem is i dunoe i can tahan looking at numbers or not cos i suck at maths n add maths

im sorry this is so long winded.. im just a lost kid trying to find the right way out.. very confused..

or have anyone heard anything about design or art management course, its more like a management program..
i heard of it for the first time today ..pjcad is offering the course..

anyone heard of Alfa art college?

the lecturer told me Dasein is more popular among chinese so it might not be so er.. international?
compared to other college which hav both chinese and foreign cultures .. which is mixed la..
i dunoe if its important or not .. but i think i would like to sharpen my english speaking skill as u can read that im not that fluent in english , written maybe but speaken i tend to stutter abit n the words i needs dont usually come up when i need them.. lol

and also anyone know anything about pjcad's graphic design course?

i think ive listed down to dasein, alfa and pjcad..


well .. i can say that goin to edu fairs created more troubles for me..

oh n btw..jasonlim.. my form5 classmate has the same name as u .. haha

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Added on January 12, 2009, 2:02 amlol
actually ive been looking everywhere already .. i dun wan to start so late too ..
ive went to many educational fairs ..
n i think i finally settle down with graphic design but i get more n more worry abt the decision that ive made...
n now im like 80% graphic design 20% (somethng else) lol
-.-
talk about determination..


er.. i think mostly will be the reputation or the college/university, quality or the students n graduates,n teachers, their teaching methods n so forth..



This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Jan 12 2009, 02:02 AM

As far as i know, graphic designers pay is quite low at the beginning but in the long run, im not sure...art directors pay is high lolz...
my english sux too...half bucket oni

and yah...dasein majority is chinese....i dont remember seeing any other races when i go and find my friend there...
its ok to ask alot of things...we duno thats why we ask...
oh ya... im bad at maths too...failed my add maths XD

but the most important thing is that u need to keep pushing urself and keep learning/exploring no matter what college/uni you're in.

jason is a very common name i have a few friends named jason too but not the same surname

TS, be honest to you, graphic designer is really really low pay job (especially fresh graduate, 1200-1600 omg). if u really think about earning good money, u need to either have really good skills to apply MNC agencies, or start your own freelance / company to take design job. start building your network, join those exibition, design show to increase ur exposure. if u think of working in small design house, most of them will promise tons of work, low pay, many OT (usually they dont pay ur OT). It is normal for agency to state the job requirement with u need to MULTITASK (maybe 5-7 small project?)+ TIGHT DEADLINE (2 day for a website?)+ WORK UNDER HIGH STRESS ENVIROMENT. yea i know this sounds depressing but this is the truth, very little client will pay much for design.

a slightly better position could be production field where they might pay u better depending on your position (editor, motion graphic artist, 3D, VFX etc). but u might have really weird working hours if involve filming. web designer provide better salary from the start. but it would require you to have both creative skills and minor scripting knowledge like html, css, javascript, flash which will easily boost your salary to 2k+.

if u really passionate for design, other than ur normal assignment, u must keep track with the latest design trend, software / tools. Always look for tutorial and do better and better. you might seems good in uni / college but your skill could be 3 years behind the industry standard. dont be like me...only know how to play online game last time (i would be so much better if i invest 20% of my online game time to study).

never heard of the 3 college u mentioned there, if u want a better & more recognize degree cert, MMU is worth it.

long run is how long? lol
i dunoe if i can become art director lol
me too.. half bucket.. lol

haha.. i fail my add maths in school too.

oh god.. im just gettting more n more confuse.. i seriously think that i should take something not so risky as design courses..
or maybe design management.. lol

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Added on January 13, 2009, 12:00 pmwow..

do u mind sharing ur story then? what u studied n i guess u are a designer now?
the pay is so low .. i dun understand why ppl still wan to pursue.. maybe for the job satisfactory?
but for someone not from a wealthy family(me) i guess its not a good choice.. or its a risky one..

i think u are talking about multimedia design isit?
im thinking graphic design woh.. or do u mean that multimedia design courses gets more money ? lol

im a science student in high school so i dun hav any skill like those student in art class... all i can do is just draw .. like those jap comic style..
but also not VERY VERY good that kinda stuff..

lol.. not a online game fan..but im still lazy to study .. sometimes i hate myself for that .. lol


ive considered MMU too,, but some lecturer told me MMU is more emphasized on multimedia design..


This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Jan 13 2009, 12:00 PM

no offence but i hope things will be as good as u said till you finish the study. 1st year is all design foundation (lines, colour, shape, form etc). 2nd year onwards are software + photography. 3ds max, flash, maya and others. be honest, if u depend on the lecturer to lead you to become the guru in softwares, good luck man. i can remember the times where the student even need to teach back the tutor how to use photoshop. not all of them but most of them know nothing and only know how to talk crap. even in beta year 3d class, they just follow the slide n read (for my class's tutor). please, i dont pay u to read slide for me, i need ur skill, ur experience to guide me to do good work, not stand there n read article. especially when u choose ur major...hopefully u wont have the same experience as my year, all of us blur and dont know what the heck they teach. everything is a mess. luckily that time i'm able to have some better discussion with trustful tutor to lead us better (and i learn a lot) else really dont know how i'm gonna pass.

about photography, actually i appreciate the class (btw, photography class during my batch is 1 whole year, not 1 sem). i learn quite a lot from there, especially how to make the work more lively and presentable. as i know...u can buy 2nd hand camera from senior (a lot of them willing to sell) it is a must have thing. agree with you on the finding sources. online tutorial is one of the best thing ever on internet.

TS, about graphic design, be honest...it is kinda a basic for all sort of media design (video, 3d, web desgin, print design, advertising etc). by study graphic design alone is not enough. as i see the market, graphic design student will be accepted to be graphic designer (for prints, ads, banner, magazine editor etc), illustrator (storyboard artist, concept artist, fine art artist etc). there is not much room for you to go if u only aim as graphic designer. multimedia course like mmu offered is focus on media like animation, interactive application, web design, game, motion graphics, 3d where u will be trained to use ur graphic design skills in various media. your skills will be valuable when u can apply the creative idea and visual skill to the media. That gives a very solid reason for company to hire you (and pay you more) since your work will be able to directly contribute to the final deliverables (which is the final artwork, eg a complete workable website).

i'm a web designer for 2.5 years working in a singapore design agency (still a junior designer). u need to really love your job else you wont want to have this job with the salary u get as a degree holder.

For MMU, yes the cert may help a bit but personally whenever it comes to design, portfolio is very important and so is your presentation skill. With a good presentation skill you can sell your design easily (defend your design).

i like the word defend your design. when does defending crosses the rubicon and start becoming delusional. I saw a lot of young studenst these days who are so full of themsleves and they can't take a bit of critique. they realluy believe that their artwork is the bomb.

i persoanlly never tried to defend my design. i try to make them see it from MY POV.

as i see it...most student will be very proud of their work (which is what lecturer teached them). but the thing is, when client pay money to u, what is their goal and expectation? functionality and result is what they aim for, art doesnt mean much as long as dont ruin their cooperate image. thats y there are tons of hard sell crappy ads out there.

as long as u can present your work well, explained ur "value" to the interviewer, you can get the job

MIA-malaysian institute of art

RM 26k

thank u all for replying ....

really appreciate it..

i wonder if u guys feel as lost as i am when u were choosing design courses as ur tertiary education..
worrying about being nt as good as others..
worrying abot future carreer paths/options n of cos salary ..
dont really hav many good information on the salary thou .. lol


anyboy knw anyting about design management course?

i totally duno anything when i chose my course....i simply take only
no need to worry bout not being as good as others....coz there are lots of people better than u for sure...

today my lecturer told me that a good copywriter can earn as much as 20-30k per month...my lecturer say one lolz...(any working as copywriters here? care to confirm this?)

lulz...say yes to The One Academy
why? ....alot lenglui

lolz ts has a female tag la...nid a place where there is alot of leng chai...lkw for rich boys ..duno where got lotsa leng chai...

TOA got a lot of rich boy also... dont underestimate them... maybe next to sunway pyramid is an advantage? since it is so near to pub & nightlife... really need to resist temptation

dun forget pyramid itself... before class shopping, break time shopping, after class also shopping....everyday also shopping lolz

In general... i think:

1) TOA - good at producing nice visual (at least presentable), good art sense, some are quite creative, but not so good at presenting ideas when come to presentation part. Good place to go if you want to be designer, illustrator, animator, art director, multimedia designer.

2) MMU - Its a University, they do have proper structures for the syllabus. So you learn more than just technical skills. Apart from learning the creative subjects, you need to learn alot of other subjects such as Law, Management, IP, philosophy... etc. You have the chance to learn alot of different things a little here and there, but it is up to your interest and what direction you want to go.
Good place to go if you want to be an Account executive, Creative Director, Management Team, Art director, Producer, of course you can also become more into technical person such as designer, illustrator, animator, art director & etc. Its a self learning place, so it depends on your own initiative. There are good & bad students produced from here. If you are good you will be good other otherwise. Last but not least, there are some below standard lectures.... so up to you.

3) TAR - They have just introduced the Multimedia course few years ago. I did see lately there are some good works from them. Many ppl went there study mainly because the fee is more reasonable. Not so good at presenting idea and come out with the entire concept / strategy.

4) LKW - Fashion show place for rich students (Just general perception, does not apply to all students), somehow when come to presentation skill at bring out their ideas / concept, i think they are not bad.

may i know any graphic designer here have degree? locally or else where?

no better art academy.. is yourself..you must learn & learn to improve your creative mind.

i am learning myself now..=.=..its just that i wanna ask anybody did further their studies?

Some say experience is more important in our industry and some vice versa. In the end of the day I think no harm for both just depends on which path you choose. For me it's pretty simple, got extra money then go ahead for higher education. Having financial problem then gain working experience instead.

that's the spirit....

hi~ i am goin to be one of the TOA student~
i am doin the degree programme in advertising graphic+ illustration~
do i nid to get a good pc? and also a DSLR?? or the school have partners selling them at lower price~

btw~ any advice on this course???

thx~

yup...u should get a laptop(prefer) with a good gc for softwares like photoshop,etc...and dslr..u can try to borrow from the college...

Actually all these question you should have ask your lecturer instead after you're into the program. What if you stop halfway or something? I would say if you really need it and affordable then go ahead if not then just use the facilities provided by college but it'll be quite a hassle though. About PC you don't need an extreme one as you'll mostly be using Photoshop and Illustrator only don't think will involve any video work therefore a standard one will do (around 2k). DSLR depending on your outline course also depending on how much interest you show in photography.

True that, if the computer is able to run the programs decently without lags then it is good enough. However, I would actually prefer a bigger monitor if you're going to work with these programs as it would be easier if you have more viewing space on your monitor.

thxx~~ i cant reli wait to go to skul~ haha~


thxx for ur advice---


thxx

Haha true also almost forget about that but IMO people will go for at least 20 inch nowadays? IMO 19 inch is good enough but of course the bigger the better especially if the program you use require dual screen (After Effects). Cheers

Hi, i just went to the Road Show in Penang yesterday. I am searching for a good suitable reasonable college/academy for art/design like you. I just want to share my story.

I got a huge headache while choosing one of the suitable college. Apparently, like you said ,i think TOA is too pricey but the weird thing is , i asked them yesterday , they said the whole diploma course only need like 50k++ for 3 years , as far as i heard, people said they usually need about 100k to complete the course , so i never want to go there since is so expensive but i don't know why they marketing assistant insisted only 50k++. (If its true , i might consider studying there) After all ,the 100k maybe included living expenses and all .BUT I NOT SURE.

LKW i won't think of it. Honestly, yesterday i have enquirer a few colleges like TOA ,Dasein, Pjcad , Alpha, Equator. I can't make up my mind yet cause there are lot of disadvantages and advantages for every college. But what's on my options NOW are Dasein and TOA. Other than that, i had been looking up on the internet for more colleges. I heard people said MIA is not bad. But cause i am not from KL , and my parents are busy on weekdays, i can't visit their campus yet. Visiting the campus is a MUST! Hopefully i can find a time to visit.
After visiting, doing comparison, everything , i hope i can find one i want. ^^


P/S I heard Dasein marketing excustive said, they need us to have strong english speaking skills, so we can present our portfolio to the best. Portfolio is already a problem ( i scare i can't catch up) , speaking english even more problematic for me. I seriously need to improved ! So what i mean is , if Dasein need good speaking skills, TOA will be much more strict on this , right? GOSH!!

for most private uni / collage the study fee alone will be around 13-15k per year (equipment, exam fee, money spent for assignment are not included). living expenses is depend on the person's lifestyle, very hard to give u a proper figure. about english speaking skills, u can always train ur english during the 3 years study, try to mix around with some friendly english speaking friends and that will help a lot for your practice.

Yes, 20" monitors are becoming a standard today especially those who work as designers. 20"-22" is somewhat recommended these days.

Go for dual monitor as for long term wise it is really advisable but please do more research before buying or you'll go wrong with both at once.

As for a student, I don't think the dual monitors is needed. Let's not get to far towards the professional designers, we're still talking about students here and it isn't practical for students to be getting dual monitors as they wouldn't be utilizing it.

Ops sorry kind of taken away from the thread already but I guess there isn't any harm for future purpose but you've got your point bro

thank you guys for all ur advises..


actually ..


now i have narrowed down to a few colleges..

which are

pjcad, alpha, saito,or maybe dasein..


and i am really worried about the money u get as a designer..
gosh i think i hav a family to feed man ..
lol
i mean i should take care or my family when i have a job right?
if i can barely support myself how can i bring a little bread for my family ?
i cant really imagine get less than 2000 per month ..
=.=

Designers especially fresh grads will have to work hard to climb higher. From what I see these days, designers who really wants to earn additional income as their pay might not be very high will do some freelancing work.

tumpang thread.

I would like learn Designing, any short courses available ? any idea of any college at Selangor, KL area.

TQ

go for IACT , 100% recommended if you're into advertising. visit 95% for short course =)

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Added on March 5, 2009, 12:22 amOne of my best friend studied at pjcard and she became the best graphic design student at her college and was awarded a trip to HK last year ( that revealed how good her work is base on pjcard standard). Now she's working already and her pay is about thousand three. So you guess lah the assignments standard. I'm not saying the college is no good, I'm just sharing my friend's testimonial with you guys

This post has been edited by llmaelynn87: Mar 5 2009, 12:22 AM

I am from Saito College actually If you're really on budget wise then this would be a wise choice and they are definitely up to standard. The main reason why I choose Saito is the duration of study which is the shortest among all, 2 1/2 years. As a designer, you will kick off with a reasonable price, definitely not low unless you're just a cert designer not skillful or independent designer. As the time flies and if you're really good enough, money will come don't worry but even if you've got a stable job in normal design firm, don't worry again as you won't be fired or so and you'll have your monthly income without worries. The keyword is whether you want to work for it or not and please if you're looking forward to be a 9am~5pm designer, I think you need to reconsider being a designer

This is one of the alternative but again if you're really good enough, sometimes you don't even bother about freelancing

So far I don't know where else will have short courses available except for IACT which offers a part-time professional course which will be done at night (7pm). You can enquire with them on this.

im sorry .. do u mean i should study graphic design in IACT or advertising course in IACT?
lol
sorry ..


so do u mean pjcad is not good?
lol
haha
but ur friend still got offered a trip to hk means she cant be that bad right?
right?

lol

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Added on March 5, 2009, 5:21 pmoh i see...
i think most of the courses from other college are also around 2 1/2 years...

so are u working now or still studying ?

This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Mar 5 2009, 05:21 PM

Actually not really. Well at least three years ago most of the design college will offer a total of 3 years duration in order to complete a diploma course. I am currently working for one year plus already.

oh i see..
do u mind if i ask u where you work or how much is ur monthly salary now?
its okay if u dun feel like answer me thou..
lol



well, my uncle told me that his company wll mostly hire students from TOA,MIA and Saito...

and saito offer a cheaper/cheapest course but im not sure abt the quality or whatever ..
blah.. im just very muchout of my mind right now ..
i see stars....
lol

collage's reputation will help a bit, but the real strength of the designer still depend on the portfolio. even without a cert, with suitable portfolio i'm able to apply web designer job in singapore.

regarding salary, i started of as 1700+ as a fresh grad web designer and 2k+ after 2.5 years of working in internet marketing & advertising industry. with a same amount of hardwork... i would suggest to look for other job that can bring u much more money. even u r promoted to team leader / art director position, the no day no night no life working life will continue. personally i want to get rid of this lifestyle when i want to have family.

gurl, you were saying you're interested in advertising, so I recommend you IACT & 95%

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Added on March 5, 2009, 11:04 pmI'm stressing on her pay (rm 1300) here. Her pay shows the standard of the course work at her college. You narrowed down your option to a few colleges..so I was just giving you my impression of pjcard since you're also wanting to take up graphic design right? good luck in your search for the right college =)

This post has been edited by llmaelynn87: Mar 5 2009, 11:08 PM

Well, the graphic design course in IACT usually will be delayed because the amount of students taking this course here are only a few so they wouldn't start the class.

oh i see..
thanks for ur info..

well what are the jobs that can bring me more money ?

do u learn about web designing when u study college? i tot u studied graphic design ..
lol



well , one more thing..

Is it wiser to take multimedia design than graphic design cos multimedia design is like .. ermm how to say..
more room for ppl/improvement or demanding in the future market?
lol
i dunoe what im saying ..
forgive my english ..
lol

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Added on March 6, 2009, 9:45 pmoh.. i want to study graphic design so maybe i can get a change to do something about advertising mah ..
haha

is there a college called 95%?
lol
where is it?


thanks.. then maybe pjcad not that good?
lol
shh.. no students from pjcad here right?
lol

This post has been edited by doubleu.why.ass: Mar 6 2009, 09:45 PM

dont worry, neither my english is good . i graduated from multimedia university (major in digital media). during my uni time, i learnt how to develop flash interactive application, web design and other multimedia related like basic video & sound editing, photography and basic 3D. currently a web designer.

be honest collage wont teach u much on technical skills, i learn most of my design and technical skill during my working life (from colleagues and tutorial). being in collage is for you to learn how implementing creativity and function into the design process. a great lecturer should be able to give u a good insight of the latest industry practice/demand and guide ur learning process.

IMO graphic design is the basic for any visual design regardless of working as web designer, graphic designer, multimedia designer... but without a specialize skill in certain area there is a huge constraint for your career option. web design and multimedia design require more technical understand in their area and come along with better income and career development. internet is a fast growing platform while print design is the foundation of advertising & mass media. i would like to advise u to focus on at least one specialize skill other than graphic design alone, web design gives u better understanding of the promotion mechanism and the skill helps if u want to freelance.

thanks again for ur advises..
i appreciate them .


that really helps me to determine which one i should opt to. .
maybe id change my mind to multimedia design after so long i tot i should take graphic design ..
but the truth is i know nothing about multimedia design .
is it ok if i still go for it ?

it is normal if u don't understand what happen for the multimedia production. if possible do some research on the production itself. go to google and search for some tutorial like "design a movie poster with photoshop" or "draw a car with adobe illustrator", give a few try and test your interest. most likely u will be doing the similar things for another 10 years but with advance techniques. if you feel it is pretty interested and hope to do better in it, welcome to the design world . else u might need to reconsider about taking up design course, it will be extreme torture if you dont like it where this field require constant update & building up new skill set (internet and technology grow very fast), a lot of effort to design the work and a lot of stress during the production.

ok, i will try ..
so can u tell me are u happy with ur job now?
lol
with the not very high pay and heavy workload, do u get satisfaction from ur work ? or just stress and tireness? lol
im not asking in a rude way thou..
lol

since this is off topic, i PMed you my reply.

ok thanks alot

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