Hi. It is for my sister's(more like mother's...) info on accounting course. I am in MMU also but in FCM. So I cannot be bias with this.

My mother has narrowed down to 3 potential place to send my sister if she is interested in Accounting (she said maybe so we are not forcing okay...). So yea. Maybe she'll take accounts so what my mother wants to know is:

1) Which degree is more recognized at least in Malaysia? Is it MMU/SEGi/UTAR/Sunway?

Yes I said 3 potential place which is MMU, SEGi and UTAR. Sunway was added because it looks like she's interested in Sunway but with the fees higher than my own course even loan from ptptn also not enough... >.<

2) the hidden cost. I know there's all those IT fees la, don't know whatever else fees just to squeeze money out from you la. That I know. But the living cost like accommodation, food, traveling... Handphone bills no need to say... That one almost RM100 per month... I'm staying at home but I'll be graduating in a year or so. So we still need info about this please.

3) The facilities. Is it okay? I know FOM building in MMU is all nice and shiny but still, I am mostly constraint to FCM.

4) Lecturers. How are they like?

5) Are they in different campus for foundation? MMU yes. In Melaka. Sunway no. SEGi and UTAR?

We went to the Education Fair last week in Mid Valley... Not much information. Well got, if it wasn't for the people talking with microphones... Just a whole stack of brochures with course fees.

Thank you in advance

Hi..I am currently working in the education line so i hope my advice can help you out..

1) Actually all the degrees are equally recognized in Malaysia. However, any graduate from Sunway usually will get extra points because it's an overseas degree from Australia if i am not mistaken. In comparison with SEGI for overseas degree i suggest choosing Sunway for good reasons.

2) Are your family staying outside KL? Well if you are asking about living expenses, areas around Sunway and SEGI will definitely be slightly higher compared to the other two. Plus, if i am not mistaken, to study an accounting degree in UTAR you will have to go to the sungai long campus? I guess living expenses are slightly lower there.

3) Sunway facilities as i know is probably one of the best among your choices? Reason being it is big and you are paying a lot for the facilities (the hidden resource fees and stuff). I am not sure about the rest.

4) You can't really tell about the lecturers until you are in there. But education is like buying a car. The more you pay for it the better quality you get. Overseas degree run locally have to meet the quality education set by the university which means usually these local lecturers have to be approved by the partner university before they can teach a certain subject. Something for you to think about. Value for your money i would say.

4) As i mentioned, UTAR's accounting course is in the Sungai Long campus if i am not mistaken so there you go. SEGI depends on you choose the kota damansara campus or the one in Subang.

At the end of the day, if your sister insist on going for Sunway, might as well go for ACCA. Their ACCA program is quite well recognized for producing good results and it is cheaper then a degree. However, if you would like to go for an accounting degree, and want something in between in terms of price and facilities, ever considered Metropolitan College? They do offer Australian degree from Curtin University of Technology with a double major in accounting and finance. I hear their foundation is quite cheap. Well, just my 2 cents on this matter

i short i would suggest nt to enrol in segi.. it sucks there man

Personally i agree with you there...

MMU. my previous lecturer told us (students of uitm) MMU got good lecturers for accounting and can get job easy.
He lecture in MMU also. er...i'm talking about MMU Cyberjaya. He told us good in accounting and engineeering.

MMU accounting's degree is just a waste of time and money...forget about it.
it's only recognised in malaysia(not degree from oversea uni) and it took u 5 bloody years to complete(including 1 yr foundation after spm).if i would think wisely previously i would go for ACCA in sunway college.provided that your sis reli into accounting and auditing and can forgo her colourful, sparkling college /uni life. coz studying acca will not be easy unless u drag it to 4 or 5 yrs?

If you consider Sunway,
how about Nottingham.
It's better than Sunway in my opinion.
Don't shoot me.

accounting?

try metropolitan? if ur result superb. try applying the scholarship there.

if acca usually it sunway... a lot of world price winner there for acca n cpa... but if academic, i dont know.

Agree wit u.

Metropolitan seems to be a good college. Few of my colleague from there (working in big firms)

Not just u able to apply for the scholarship.

U may able to do double major too.

Sunway I should say. It's platinum and great education excellence for u to study. Paying more for study is a good investment.

accounting go sunway lo

yes, acca n cpa... but academic accountancy sunway is still good?

can you add in the title "vs ORANGE"

well.....i will advice u better dun choose UTAR due to the environment surrounding it.......dull atmosphere n not convenience at there......the others not really know though.......

sunway usually for those who wan pursuing in accounting industry ..

world recognized cert ..

Everyone knows Sunway through their ads,
who really know about the reality?

If you are really interested in accounting, as in committed to an accounting career, then a professional qualification is much better than getting a degree. Do you know that alot of accounting degree holders later continue to do the ACCA?

The ACCA or CIMA can be done in many approved colleges. Some of these charge a fraction of the fees charged by the larger colleges mentioned on this thread (around one third). In fact, I know for a fact that before the exams, students of these larger colleges actually go to these smaller "tuition or training centres" for revision because the lecturers are well known and has excellent track records.

The unfortunate thing is that, when a few of these larger college students (who took revision from the smaller centres) end up winning world prizes, it is the larger colleges who take the credit and the limelight! Ha!!

So, judge for yourselves, do your research, don't be prejudiced and make wise choices!

I would love to study in Sunway. My only concern is I heard the fees are expensive. How expensive?

Another choice is Orange.

=.=
Hello.
Are you misunderstood my meaning?

---

Added on January 23, 2009, 2:57 pmWhy do you love Sunway?
It may not as good as you thought.
lolz.

This post has been edited by khaishin: Jan 23 2009, 02:57 PM

Sunway seems to be very popular. Good impression.

i wonder how expensive it is though. Can anybody give me estimation. I want to study CAT by the way.

All that are just ads...
Good marketing plan instead of GOOD quality ..
Haha..
CAT is about 10k i think exclude living cost.
Not so sure about this, you may email them.

MMU got MIA recognition.

Therefore, u can be a QUALIFIED ACCOUNTANT in Malaysia after u have 3 years relevant experience.

Unlike UTAR, SEGI etc, u still need to take MIA / ACCA or other professional qualification exam in order to get QUALIFIED.

I think many people know that.
But..there are reasons to be considered.

10k per semester? wow

Lazy to email them. Why don't they just put the fees on their site.

=.=
I am telling you the whole course =.=

oh 10k for two sems la. That is acceptable if teh quality is good.

The environment is better but the lecturers ain't the best.
So if you were looking for good environment then go for it.

Accounting for sure SUNWAY COLLEGE. They have the no1 tag there for long time di. Altho they charge u more than other colleges but then still we cannot hide the fact that Sunway college is the best for taking up accounting course.

P/s : i'm not a student from Sunway but Inti.

Good environment means comfortable for study rite.

If i go to a KL college I'll stay at home and got video games at home - not so good environment.

Hey, do more research okay.
There are many other better Uni.
Sunway is not the BEST in malysia for accounting!!!!
Please be more objective.

then can you tell me which one is the best or better than Sunway. If you worry ppl will flame you just PM me.

plz remove segi from the list of ur options unless u wan a dim future.. =)

yes, must agree...

MMU's MIA or whatever is academic... ACCA is professional... if u dun understand please look out for it..

jsut like engineerimng... a BEng n CEng in msian context is diff..

KTAR produces 70% of all the accountants in msia 10 years back... now sunway is the best because i wouldnt say their lecturers are d best or what, because i dont take their course, but there's something they must be doing right since their students are doing so well... and of course since most students are able to pay their fees, means they are quite well off, usually these students come from better family n thus do better... if u wanna mix with a more condusive grouop of ppl.. go sunway

and remember, for ACCA once u stop paying membership fees, u are no longer certified public accountant....

that's pretty much for all professional bodies

true, but u dont need that for degree...

what do u mean? some professions u need to be a member to practice..

What I mention is, TS need some backup...in case, im sure u know what i mean...

Professional bodies is not compulsary.... it's a choice...

This post has been edited by killingspree: Jan 24 2009, 02:22 AM

I would suggest Sunway..its famous for its accounting

when we talk about accounting.
only two colleges : either TARC or Sunway College.
That's what i heard of, anyway, just do some research in the internet. Ask someone from TARC and sunway.

Go Sunway for ACCA. if u're looking for an accounting degree, go Monash or Sunway. she'll be happy, and u won't regret.

FYI, I am Inti Accounting Graduate. I am currently studying ACCA on part time basis.

I just hate the fact that I pay so much for my Degree course (Inti) & I still need to study ACCA in order to get qualified !
And working & studying at the same time, is tough ! Way too tough for me...

So, if u do not plan to work outside Malaysia. A public universities / MMU Accounting Degree will lead u to become MIA member & a qualified Accountant.

FYI, a few of seniors have give up their ACCA / CIMA title & just retain their MIA membership since it is much cheaper & certainly they don't plan to go for oversea in the forseeable future.

is it? mayb not for accountants

as i had explained earlier in my previous post

---

Added on January 24, 2009, 12:07 pmtq tq.. u had clear up a lot of doubts.. because i myself is not an accountant so i can only give feedbacks from what i know

This post has been edited by SeLrAhC: Jan 24 2009, 12:07 PM

go sunway take CAT and ACCA

Another thing about ACCA, is NOT EASY to PASS especially in the Professional Stage...

If u are a good & hardworking student, go for it !

If otherwise, MMU / Public Universities Accounting Degree will still Lead to the path of Qualified Accountant.

No point choosing a good qualification if u know that u can't get it !

well, that means sacrificing prestige just for the sake of a paper... might as well, buy it.

Well, someone please state the route for accountancy as I have totally no knowledge in this field..

So since so many people recommend Sunway, I'm guessing it's where I should go. I'll take CAT and later ACCA there.

sunway n utar is good 4 accounting....

Good luck.
Hope it suits you.

What are the difference between these two course?
1) Accounting
2) Accounting and Finance

More to study for the 2nd course?

Accounting is more focus on accounting .
While for accounting and finance,
some are double major yet some aren't.
There are many IPTS providing the 2nd choice,
such as Segi, Sunway, Taylor, Help, KDU, UCSI..etc.
But whether it is a double major, you have to inquire the counselor.
Some can let you choose either to major on accounting or finance.

Nottingham has a triple major degree : Finance, Account and Management.

you're scaring me. It doesn't suit everyone or you think I'm not suitable for such rich people college.

No no no.
Haha, go for it
CAT is not as hard as you thought if you work for it
It's easy.

mmmmmm still can't make up my mind. Both look very good. Sunway vs. Orange round 2

accounting in kolej komuniti is enough already,,,

If you look for better environment and facilities, then go for Sunway.
You may don't like the way of teaching of Sunway lecturer but it does provide a better environment for you as well a BETTER CHARGE of fees. lolz.

for your info, to be entitle for Chartered ACCOUNTANT u need to be a member of MIA . Not ACCA, ACCA is for certified public accountant....hope u get the idea,

still the professional body is not compulsary for accounting...

Unless of course, u wan to be recognize...

This post has been edited by killingspree: Jan 30 2009, 09:29 AM

I'm in the accounting line. I organised several talks, conferences and even a Career Day and Accounting Week at Monash University Malaysia. I was part of the Monash University Accounting club committee.

Personally I'd recommend:

01. Monash University (duh )
02. UTAR
03. Sunway University College
04. Metropolitan College
05. Taylors University College

01. Monash is reknown for its business courses, even in Australia. UniMelb may be ranked higher, but in the business line, Monash has a better rating, somehow. Perhaps its because the courses are tougher. UniMelb surpasses Monash in many many other aspects though, but not in commerce studies/accountancy in your case.

02. UTAR and SYUC are the only TWO private colleges in Malaysia to be awarded the platinum status by ACCA if i recall correctly. I know, because I spoke to the speaker myself. Any graduate from accounting courses here, will be grabbed by ACCA. Not bad, if you feel like being headhunted

Anyway, UTAR has always been famous for its accounting courses while SYUC, for its CAT --> ACCA programme.

04. Metropolitan is one of the only colleges to focus on offering business courses only. They also have a very good twinning partner, RMIT, but the partnership may have been discontinued.

05. Taylors Business School. Used to have a great reputation, due to a good twinning partner, University of Technology Sydney. Now they twin with UniSA, but doing it locally is prestegious enough IMHO The Taylors Business School is quite highly ranked locally as well, in the business world.

i'm currently studying in UTAR. hmmm.. UTAR is the most affordable college for middle income family actually.
Now they provide accounting in Kampar. UTAR campus in kampar is full of facilities and is a good environment for studying rather than Sunway.
Sunway living expense is too much expensive for us, moreover i suggest ur sis to make a degree before acca. Acca paper is quite tough if without working experience.

p/s : Accounting is not a simple subject. must work twice harder than others.

why all people hate SEGI???the quality is not good at all?????

Wrong statement ...

After u gain ACCA membership, you can apply for MIA membership . ACCA is recognised under MIA.

Depending... In this country, yes
Other country...No

---

Added on April 17, 2009, 2:44 pmSunway Monash is still the place!

This post has been edited by wong_lilly: Apr 17 2009, 02:45 PM

wow, that's a lot of vs...
if you don't mind, I want to put it in my list..
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=24844052

hi guys, i'm going segi kl for foundations then to twinning degree...n any comments??n many ppl advice me segi nt so good any comments???PM me.....thank you....

hehehe, google the MIA website first then u get the idea....

MIA do recognize ACCA,

BUT, in order to qualify to be entitled for CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT you just need accounting degree that is recognize by MIA.

And for your info ACCA is one of them, though it is not a degree.

AND you don't need ACCA in order to qualify to be CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT if u have recognized acc. degree ..

hope that's help...

or u can read again the statement that u quote previously, i do think u misinterpret it..

This post has been edited by killingspree: Apr 21 2009, 10:12 AM

It works like these :
If you have degree you cannot called yourself an accountant since you are not recognised by a body (as a/c is a profession)
To be recognised you need to be listed under a body like MIA (need to take short exams & stuff)
If you want another qualification which is similar is called MICPA which is similar to ACCA.

There are others who pursue ACCA / CIMA / CPA immidiately & get their own title at the respective country (ACCA, CIMA = UK), (CPA = US & AUs)
So if you are recognised in these foreign countries you are more recognised worldwide. MIA although are international accredicated but lack the international exposure of the said qualifications. Most of those whom want to practice in MYS but with foreign qualification. MIA is more than willing to let them apply for MIA membership as well. Thats why most qualification have 3 yr working experience requirement. Once you possessed professional qualifcation & work 3 years , you can also applied for MIA concurrently & get 2 membership at one go.

If you only have degree your option is restricted to MIA if you want recognition unless you wish to pursue prof qual.

If you go for Uk qualification = get title "Chartered" awarded by the Queen (source from Wikipedia)
If you for US or Aust qualifaction = get tilte "Certified Public".

If you have MIA you cannot apply the same with ACCA or CPA as you need to study for those if you want foreign recongition.

i personally think sunway would be the best~

sunway ACCA
pros
-3 years to get an ACCA , some college might spend 2 1/2 years for a diploma
-employment rate is high
-ur future is guaranted

cons
-u need to work super hard, from 2000 of students doing CAT, only 50 manage to reach the professional lvl
-high tuition fees
-can't apply for ptptn

SEGI college UOS degree
pros
-sure pass with the tips provided
-3 years to get a degree

cons
-unrecognise in GOV sector
-worst to worst senario u can't even work in bank =.=

MMU
pros
-great studying environment, can make a lot of friends and a lot of activities being held
-affortable tuition fees
-high employment rate

cons
-5 years for degree

This post has been edited by tauyik: Apr 21 2009, 02:32 PM

You mean that the majority of people only completed the fundamentals level?

Can anyone rectify how true is this..seems a little absurd.(no offence to anyone here)

huh??i'm going segi kl for degree acc & finance....then the cert is useless if i wan to find job???

that's wut i heard, however wut i mean is u really need to study super extra hard compared to other university/college

segi kl is under greenwich university right? i think that one should be ok, don take the top up degree of university of sunderland from segi subang

ya....i also decide take greenwich U cert.....but i heard ppl say segi kl sucks.....

Come on... chill...
lets see the world university ranking
Click Here

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Apr 22 2009, 08:29 PM

i personally think u hav grudge against sunway...its not that bad despite all the rumour that is going on... and i hav to say sunway's ACCA is the best among all.. ppl might think of sunway like its a place where ppl go there and they will be influenced by the negative envir. there...but see this..if u can be influenced in sunway..u too can be influenced in any other places..like matriks...

Latest news of MMU

Click Here

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Apr 22 2009, 11:18 PM

You want to hear the acca sunway lecturer thing you can go to acca v4
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/727328
They have a strong debate on the lecturer issue for almost 2 months (read the last few pages or you can view my previous posts)

Sunway is the best "place" to take acca but not the best "way" to do it.
I have met with other sunway acca students and they also admit their lecturers may not be adequate for the more professional level.
Speciallist lecturers who focus on professional level are catered mostly in KL whom normally gathered with other lecturers to open up their own place. Furthermore the sunway acca dir is quite infamous with bad ethical issue as the recent famous lecturer scandal just months ago. Can go and vist the forum i listed above.

---

Added on April 22, 2009, 11:47 pmACCA fundamental F1 to F3 is liken to lower qualification like LCCI or foundation & lower than diploma.
ACCA fundamental F4 to F9 is liken equivalent to degree (but most agree that its also tougher than degree). ACCA holders are given option to apply for a degree in UK (OBU) , course around 2 mths & get double qualifcation even before you enter professional level. But that depends on your average mark lo.
ACCA professional P1 to P3 & choose 2 out of P4 to P7 is liken to masters programme (P3 is very similar to MBA).

I have met with several sunway students in my studies in KL & they also admit among their respective batch only 3 -4 make it to the final level within the minimum 2.5 year time period (includes CAT). They have several batches since they accumulate a lot of students from different background. For Kl students its even lesser since the study culture is not so competitive compared to students in sunway.
About myself :
I am from Kl centres & i am currently at my final papers at acca & will probably graduate at age 21 & i have not failed any of my papers yet.

One thing that I need to clarify clearly is that acca is a postgraduate programme & its more difficult than degree.
My current batch of class consist very few from those who carried forward from CAT or fundamentals. Most of them if did normally failed or have to resit several papers before.
My current class students consist mostly from those whom already obtained a degree / advanced diploma from TARC / working in large firms (big 4) et al. The age gap between students can be quite varied depending on type of papers.

Anyone wish to know more about professional qualification like ACCA can pm me directly or visit the forum below for the latest update :
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/987309

This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 22 2009, 11:47 PM

the website is hosting wrong info, just compare the size of UTM and MMU and u'll see the illogical numbers on them~

agreed, i advice IPTA if money is a major concern

If the university provides PTPTN loan,is it recognised by gov or not?

recognized by MQA you mean?

but if you take diploma in accountancy in Segi for 2yrs then only 1 yr for Final year for Degree...which wat i am doing now..

it saves more time..

where else

1 yr - Foundation + 3 yrs Degree...


i am only doing 3yrs including DEGREE...

but at the end, you will still grad from college and not university. Since then, it does not have (hons). Correct me if im wrong..

i still get a (hons) with UK university...
and Degree its from UK and its grad from university not college anymore..

This post has been edited by yeelin04: Apr 27 2009, 08:52 PM

under what university?

Campus at Kota Damansara - SEGi University College

SEGi University College... then if graduate with hons?

depends on which twinning university are u in.
but, mostly all degree twinning program graduate with hons

u can check all the info at SEGi's website.

segi college degree within 3years should be UOS or greenwich~
UOS r unrecognise by GOV sector, worst to worst u can even work in banks ~

i seee.... ok ok... thankx for the info... peace

ROFL~ if the course recognised and approved by LAN. It should be OK
about GOV sector, i think u should read more at segi website b4 making any assumption

thanx yea.

that's not assumption, that's fact, ofcourse they won't write on the website, but before u register for the subject they'll tell u

omg.. i nw also blur ed..
excuse me i wanna ask sumthing bout accounting..

if i go study utar's accounting degree izit better than the LCCI ?

Sure.
LCCI is just a book keeping cert.
You may take it as a plus.

but my friend say after lcci can straight go for ACCA le...

after my degree.. i also nid to take acca test to become a profesional accountant

so izit lcci save more time then taking degree??
o still the degree cert is better than lcci??

LCCI is just some sort of Diploma, still got a range from getting a Degree

a)if you were to take LCCI, i would suggest you to take CAT offered by ACCA because you can save at least half a year because after you have finished LCCI, you still need to take the ACCA Fundamental Paper F1, F2 and F3 while if you take CAT, those 3 papers are fully exempted(including the fees). of course, some would say CAT is more difficult because the questions are from ACCA. Both course can be finished within 1 year.

b)or an alternative, if you are already 21 years old, you can straight away go for ACCA Fundamental Level F1 -------> F9,


either option a or b, after you finished the fundamental level(till F9), then you can do an assignment and get the ACCA/Oxford Brooke Degree