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Claire Farron
post Jun 12 2012, 10:19 PM

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Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml

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The script I got was written by Jon Spaihts. He is a wonderful person and a great writer and his script reflected both. However, he had been tasked with executing the very specific task of making the story very "Alieny" (not a word) and it was rife with eggs, facehuggers, chestbursters and the Xenomorphs they grew into. If memory serves, the eggs show up around the end of the first act and the familiar progression of fertilization and gestation begins, at which point, all hell breaks loose.
Although I would be careful to ever use the term "Lindelof-ized" (such a phrase could just as easily be defined as "the process by which an ending is made completely unclear and/or f---ed up all together") my job was to strip out the familiar "Alien" stuff and rebalance the plot mechanics so that stuff felt more like the RESULT of the story as opposed to the catalyst

So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.

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Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary. And speaking of length ...
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure


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Is she(Vickers) a robot?
She is not.


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Did you and Ridley and Jon discuss who created the Engineers?
Yes. But the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?


Have you guys worked out the answer to Elizabeth Shaw's burning question, i.e. why did our creators turn on us?
Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...

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Claire Farron
post Jun 13 2012, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 12 2012, 11:57 PM)
Ridley feels the (better) audience needs the challenges; the question, debate about the movie; not to be spoon fed while watching a movie. Little wonder why there are those who need everything to in B&W for them  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 13 2012, 12:07 AM)
yup. it's clearly targeted for mature audiences. and in ripley's book, it doesnt refer to age maturity.
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Do you guys think Prometheus is an ambiguous film OR film that avoided answers?

A lot of people are debating this and said Prometheus shouldn't be compared to something like 2001: A Space Odyssey, because Prometheus avoided answers while 2001 is a legit ambiguous film.

This is what they said:

Thoughts that a movie should raise:
>Imagine if x was y.
>What do you think x really means?
(2001- ambiguous)

Thoughts that a movie should not raise:
>Why did he do x?
>If that was x, then why did y....
>How does x do y?
>What was the point of x if y was...
(Prometheus- avoided answers)


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post Jun 13 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 13 2012, 10:33 AM)
I've got a question!

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Here, straight out of Damon Lindelof himself, word of god,


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Why did David poison Charlie? Was he hoping he'd impregnate Elizabeth or was that just a nice bonus?

In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne. And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml

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post Jun 13 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 13 2012, 10:26 AM)
One thing Ridley had decided to not do in Prometheus, that is to show Shaw straightaway would know the reasons of the Engineers actions.

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RS had already talked about this in an interview, but I'm not sure if this is still canon with the film or not.

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Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.


http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/...are-dark-angels

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post Jun 14 2012, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 13 2012, 10:42 PM)
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Although Vickers is actually not a robot

but yeah they did  laugh.gif
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but why no winona ryder from Alien Resurruction sad.gif

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post Jun 17 2012, 09:00 AM

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Details about Prometheus 2

http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/

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The original title of the Alien prequel was Paradise before they settled on Prometheus, but Paradise has been bandied about as the possible title for the Prometheus follow-up.  It’s now clear that the “Paradise” title would refer to the home planet of humanity’s makers (ie. heaven).  As for what the home planet of the Engineers is like, Scott’s vision doesn’t sound like a happy trip

“Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive f***ers … and who wouldn’t describe them that way, considering their brilliance in making dreadful devices and weapons that would make our chemical warfare look ridiculous? So I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. As she says, “This is not what I thought it was going to be, and I think we should get the Hell out of here or there won’t be any place to go back to.

That’s not necessarily planted in the ground at the tail end of the third act, but I knew that’s kind of where we should go, because if we’ve opened up this door — which I hope we have because I certainly would like to do another one – I’d love to explore where the hell [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous.”
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“This movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”
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“It’s interesting to do a sequel because this leaves the door so open to some huge questions. The real question to me is – the more mankind discovers in science the more clear and helpful everything becomes, yet we’re very bad at managing ourselves. And one of the biggest problems in the world is what we call religion, it causes more problems than anything in the goddamn universe. Think about what’s happening now, all based on the very simple idea that a Muslim can’t live alongside a Catholic, or a Catholic can’t live alongside a Protestant…”
Deleted scene and some behind the scene photos

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http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/56463/new...gineer-and-more

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post Jun 19 2012, 06:19 PM

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According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel sad.gif
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post Jun 22 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2012, 10:25 AM)
watch it in IMAX 3D in SG few days ago
the 3D are really stunning & beautiful
Among the best 3D after Avatar

for the story, if you watch it as a big fan of Aliens, then you'll be disappointed
but if you watch it as a sci-fi fan, then you'll be rewarded tongue.gif

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I'm a fan of the first Alien movie and I really like Prometheus. thumbup.gif

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post Jun 25 2012, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(ray148 @ Jun 25 2012, 07:34 PM)
urggghh..i hate Alien 3 with passion.
almost got turn off to the whole series bcoz if it.
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People said the Assembly Cut made it watchable a bit.


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post Jun 25 2012, 09:42 PM

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That dome we saw in Prometheus is actually based on an unused Giger art for Dune.

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post Jun 26 2012, 07:11 PM

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Pretty good "walkthrough", I had totally forgot about some of the stuff he mentioned, like that sticky gooey thing @3:55.

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post Sep 24 2012, 05:46 PM

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Tons of info about the deleted scenes that'll be included in the Bluray version

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The full list of deleted scenes to be included on the disc, including a running time and title for each, is as follows:

00:02:31:16 ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS
00:00:58:05 T'IS THE SEASON
00:00:42:08 OUR FIRST ALIEN
00:00:42:14 SKIN
00:01:22:01 WE'RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE
00:02:57:01 STRANGE BEDFELLOWS
00:01:25:04 HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER
00:00:23:12 DAVID'S OBJECTIVE
00:03:27:07 JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN
00:03:40:12 A KING HAS HIS REIGN
00:02:01:24 FIFIELD ATTACKS
00:04:06:06 THE ENGINEER SPEAKS
00:05:30:04 FINAL BATTLE
00:05:05:19 PARADISE


Few screencaps from the deleted scene
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=45595.0

It seems the part where Shaw was fighthing the engineer was supposed to be much more longer, I always thought the version we got in the film felt like it was being cut.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-cont...battle-1621.jpg
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-cont...lbattle-190.jpg


Can't wait to buy the Bluray! drool.gif
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post Sep 29 2012, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(wiNd @ Sep 29 2012, 10:13 AM)
Questions will be answered  tongue.gif  rclxms.gif


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post Sep 29 2012, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 29 2012, 11:29 AM)
I am puzzled on one thing.

In the first 'Alien'...when they (Ripley was one of em) first investigate the ship...they found the engineer sat on the huge chair.
With a 'cracked' chest.

In this 'Prometheus'...we seen none of that.

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Because the one from the first 'Alien' is a different engineer, different ship and different planet. smile.gif


Added on September 29, 2012, 11:54 amAnd actually, in the original script by Jon Spaihts, that planet in Prometheus was supposed to be the same planet from Alien 1.

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/...script-ideas/p1

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He changed it from LV-426 to LV-223 which he claims is a LONG LONG way from LV-426 and is not even close to it.
He then re-wrote the dialogue and re-wrote everything Jon wrote by taking out any 'Alien' creatures.

Jon's script led directly to Alien and Damons script led directly to a new franchise.  From the way Jon talked he described his script would need a massive budget. Damon's script was more confined and claustrophobic so needed a lesser budget but he describes that if all of his script would be a 3 hour film basically.
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 29 2012, 12:06 PM)
Now that make sense  biggrin.gif

My brains are slowing down  laugh.gif

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Hehe, the names of the planets are almost the same LV-426 to LV-223, and the planets look really similar too, I also thought it was gonna be the same planet when i first watch this film tongue.gif

Anyway, I wonder how the film gonna turned out if they used Jon Spaiht's script, which led directly to Alien 1, instead of a new trilogy.

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It began with the introduction to a UFO arriving on Earth and these engineers talking to one another and one drinks the liquid, evaporates and his mutating DNA cells are blown all over the surrounding valley whilst the rest of his mutating cells drop into the water. Some of the cells land on an early ape like tribe of humans and they begin to mutate.

His script then cuts to Mars where Shaw and Holloway (Holloway is an older man maybe in his forties who was Shaw's teacher) and they find a cave, basically the same scene as in the film except its on mars. He also wrote several ideas for this in his drafts. one was they find an underwater city dating back 35,000 years ago (Atlantis?) and find the cave.

They then travel to Mr Weylands office on a space station orbiting Earth (another idea was they went to his office on mars) and talk with Weyland with vickers and David nearby and talk about organizing a mission. They travel to LV-426 and find a pyramid there and enter it and some of the same scenes happen from dan O'Bannons script. They travel into another structure which is actually the Derelict. There is xeno's, Eggs, Morphing and Shaw gets attacked by a facehugger and she manually performs a C-section and removes the chestburster while its still premature.

They awaken the engineer and the same stuff happens what was in the film. The ship crashes into the Derelict causing it to fall.


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Spathis originally had an ultra xeno in his script come out of the engineer and chase Shaw at the end.


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post Oct 10 2012, 10:55 AM

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http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/60566/loo...rsters-included

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A Look at the Version of Prometheus We Almost Saw... Aliens and Chestbursters Included


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I wrote five different drafts of the script, working with Ridley very closely over about nine months. And even as we were working, we were constantly toying with the closeness of the monsters in the film to the original xenomorph. You can see an interesting balance, even looking at the movies in the Alien franchise, between homage and evolution. In every film you’ll see that the design of the Alien shifts – the shape of the carapace, the shape of the body – and some of that is to with new technology available to realise the monsters, but a lot of is just a director’s desire to do something new. Ridley and I were looking for ways to make the xenomorphs new.

And so he was always pushing for some way in which that Alien biology could have evolved. We tried different paths in that way. We imagined that there might be eight different variations on the xenomorphs – eight different kinds of Alien eggs you might stumble across, eight kinds of slightly different xenomorph creatures that could hatch from them. And maybe even a rapid process of evolution, still ongoing, in these Alien laboratories where these xenomorphs were developed. So Ridley and I were looking for ways to make the xenomorphs new.

The creature did change in some pretty dramatic ways from draft to draft. But the most dramatic change was the removal of the xenomorph from the film. That was a shift that happened at the same time as I stepped off the film. A lot of that push came from the studio very high up; they were interested in doing something original and not one more franchise film. That really came to a head at the studio – the major push to focus on the new mythology of Prometheus and dial the Aliens as far back as we could came down from the studio.

I did have facehuggers in my original draft. David, as he began to get fascinated by the science of the Engineers, doesn’t deliberately contaminate Holloway with a drop of black liquid. Instead, Holloway hubristically removes his helmet in the chamber, is knocked unconscious, facehugged and wakes up not knowing what had been done to him, and stumbles back into the ship. In my draft, he returns to his cabin, is embraced by Shaw, who is delighted to see him having feared that he had died, and the two of them make love. And it’s while they’re making love that he bursts and dies. So that lovemaking sequence echoed my original lovemaking sequence where he explodes! It was messy.”
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