Pardon me,

But CoD4 will never EVER be like CS. You know that very well. The player movement is not fluid enough and it is still rather impossible to headshot every player you encounter.

If you knew okay, if you only knew why the competitive CoD4 community over in EU was still buzzing is because of promod. Brian you are looking to form a competitive community in the first place, am I right?

So why are you whining over every attempt someone tries to create a competitive mod that will actually bring us close to realizing your goal? Your ruleset stinks. Period. It still has all those random factors that make CoD4 here so uncompetitive. Its just too close to public play.

CS 1.x has lasted 8 years. With tournaments still going on strong internationally. What makes you think CoD4 will last another 7?

At the rate you are making it easier for non-competitive teams to just jump in the more that competitive line fades and soon the CoD community here will just be a huge mess of players all playing different gamemodes different rulesets and eventually everyone will get bored of it quick and the game will die.

CoD can never be an esport game if we have people like you that want to hand feed the public community tournaments. Everyone in the community, please stop thinking about what's the most fun only and at the same time the best way to get ourselves into a real competitive scene and get this show really on the road.

I know everyone is trying their best but when there is an easy opportunity just cease it. Since we don't know for sure from the start if even the current ruleset can sustain a competitive community.

GL & HF.

Competitive games are made to draw a crowd of players who want to play this game rather seriously or as a sport.

With that there needs to be a learning curb that cuts no slack but is rather simple. Competitive games don't need to be necessarily simple but for First Person Shooters they need to be in order for players to get good and keep a consistent line of performance with their certain playstyle and technique.

Perks DO make the game more interesting. Me and my team have tried PAM4 and we think that it caters to a crowd "WE" a competitive team are trying to differ ourselves from.

Call of Duty 4 is already random with the grenades raining down every round start in SnD. Even if it is part of the original non-modded game its certainly not the way a competition game should be played.

So lets say someone like MYM|Morg the the developer of DAMNmod decides to implement no-cook grenades and eliminate the problem and actually lets players avoid the grenades if they can. It makes the game more consistent and improves the learning curb.

No learning curb should ever be formed on random factors.

As competitive players we must acknowledge the fact that the playing field must be leveled to everyone. The best way improve then is not only to play matches with your teams more but to actually develop tactics and effective strategies for the esport.

The best example is CS. There is no doubt about it. The reason why there are still so many teams playing it is because that consistency factor fuels competitiveness. It makes teams wanna improve their tactics and strats more.

There are mulitple ways to attack and defend a bombsite. Each team has their own unique way of doing it. When CS competitive exploded onto the scene everyone had to learn what works and what doesn't in order to better themselves.

The best way to learn is to take defeat like a normal thing and do not be hard on yourself and your team. I like leading a team. My team. I don't say I'm the best at it but I am still learning.

*Edit* Sure quack. I'd love to.

This post has been edited by t3quila: Dec 5 2008, 11:52 AM

Crashtec If you have the time yeah? Please do listen to that shoutcast. It is very important that you do. After hearing it I want to push competitive faster here. We have to do it or else we'll be always 1 year short. You are the man for the job because you can inspire people.

Try not to throw too much commercial attention into the community yet. We need it for ourselves. Like before there was CEVO there was CAL. It did not have any monetary funding but it made many competitive games popular. Players did join in for the fun but they were turned competitive as the games it supported had a learning curb to follow consistently and not randomly.

From CoD1 came CoD2. Everyone said CoD2 was better. Both competitive and public players. When it came out CoD1 died. That is the trend and the problem now everyone is facing here. We don't want to see more splits in splits. Lets try to keep it down to one gamemode at least. SnD.

CoD4 was not meant for Domination and CTF play. The spawn system is rubbish. There is just too much random. "Cap all 3 points and players spawn everywhere." Doesn't make any sense.. TDM is a waste of time. We want to see team tactics and clutchplay. I wouldn't say CoD4 was meant to be played SnD. But it has the best support for it. Almost all of the maps are good SnD maps.

We play what everyone else is playing we'll be ready for anything international when it hits us. Lets get this show on the road people. We play promod not because the other competitive scenes are but because we want to be on par with them. We can show that us Malaysians can be highly competitive players too.

Brian if you have the time I'd really like to speak to you privately. Either that or we could have a real discussion with clan leaders and a panel to keep the noise down alittle.

This is a game. It is not real life. This is going to be a competitive game. Not just a game. And when a game goes competitive it becomes very much like a sport.

The definition of Sport.

"Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports (a common name for some card games and board games with little to no element of chance) and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors. Sport is commonly defined as an organized, competitive and skillful physical activity requiring commitment and fair play. Sports differ from Games based on levels of organization and profit (not always monetary). Accurate records are kept and updated, while failures and accomplishments are widely announced."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport

Sabotage you still need to play symmetrical maps to work out the balance issues. But it gets so pointless and boring when both teams are on par with each other. And the game doesn't let you stop to strategically plan your next play/attack/formation.

In a competition noone wants to end up playing an already prepared stalemate mode. Heck noone likes it even on public servers. It gets very repetitive and then boring. Plus, we don't want to keep the organizers and players waiting an eternity for a bracket to finish playing because the two best teams got stuck playing Sabotage.

This post has been edited by t3quila: Dec 5 2008, 04:17 PM

The mod is up on our server please help test it.

No it does not have pistol rounds and money system.. It is still never going to be like cs.. Stop speculating and just test.

Yeap I'm not asking for a sudden change. Just want to let everyone know that we have to drop DOM and TDM for serious competitive play if the rest of the world ain't playing it at the highest competitive level since there isn't a future in the those two modes for this game. It is however important to make it little/beginner league.

I'm not pressuring you Brian. I just want the people who are already committed to competitive clans to start taking real action and stop letting you do every little decision for them. For that they must dive deeper into the competitive scene and learn everything they can about it.

How can we, as a competitive gamer community advance to middle stage from here? It is up to you guys to find out what is REALLY happening overseas and come up with ideas as to what we should really be playing/doing. We have to keep up because we ain't leading that's for sure.

So get your original copy of CoD4 people and stop giving an excuse. If you truly support the game buy the original. Even if you don't have a computer you can use your key to play on original servers online from a CC computer and make sure u bring the 1.7 update as well as punkbuster with you on your removable storage device.

In the meantime Fusion server will be the testbed server for DAMNmod. Only original copies. We do NOT support piracy.

CoD4 does have its randomness. Does anyone realise you don't actually run 100% straight in the game? :S Hence nades do get random. Trust me on that one.

Heres what you do. Try to find a straight line in the game. Walk as far as possible with ur mouse aligned to the other end of it without using your strafe buttons.

lol. You'll get what I mean.

dumb.. If I may call you that. Who are you? Identify yourself. What clan are you from? Who do you represent?

I would really like to know. We are close to each other yes but they can't help us if we don't work out a lot of stuff here. The game is as close as dead here because there isn't enough daily competitive activity seen.

You don't form a clan and wait around for stuff to happen. Even if you train on a weekly basis is good enough and make sure its to fix something. No one should train prior to a tournament. No active clan does that.

The problem is that, I see alot of this going on here and its hard to call anyone but the usual guys for a scrim. Maybe the others are too busy with life or they just couldn't be bothered.

This means there is really lack of support for the competitive community in CoD4. Now I want everyone okay? Everyone to stand up and start thinking even before that meeting on the 20th.

What is your goal for the clan or team you are in?
How can you make yourself the best of what you can be?
Where do you need to go to start?
Who do you need to play amongst to get that exposure?

We're playing amongst ourselves having fun while missing out a lot on whats happening out there. Don't you want to make it big?

Sure our community is getting bigger and bigger but we can not relate to other communities worldwide. Hence we can't compete with them either. Its very irrational to lock ourselves up here thinking we're doing okay but in the end we're just playing amongst ourselves and it ain't going to be so fun anymore soon.

I support the game. I support the community. I however, do not support the way we are playing this game competition-wise. We should push towards playing and competing in a unified global ruleset so we do not miss out on whats to come, when it comes. Whenever we see an opportunity given take it and don't look back.

We gots to do this people. Or we're gonna be out of a game to play and its back to 1.6 for the most of you.

Its okay, I get you clearly. Good points there, keep in touch plz.

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