SKOTH4 was initially closed because of insufficient teams, but I got it reopened and got a total of 24+ teams to join. It got closed because Rapture was unable to get servers for SKOTH, due to the incompetency of the nevertheless eager admin. Rapture will always favour DOTA over CoD4, because DOTA is DOTA and has worldwide coverage, is played by almost every teen in Singapore () and is easy as heck to organize and play in. Rapture being a profit-motivated organization simply chose the easy route instead of being the community leader it should be.

And, of course we need to get teams from other countries in SKOTH, have you not noticed SKOTH is an asian-wide tournament for both DOTA and CoD4? But at the end of the day, yes, we only have a handful of CoD4 teams, but then again, what is our country's population compared to yours?

And regardings scrims in our server, at last count, ESP, RvG, SwL, FsN, Gr4\/, FFF, RnF, JEDI, Bf.Nut, UO, sC, <3M, CEBU, Aztig, -aa-, XcN, bc, empnext, eF, eFox, S!GA have all played in our mix scrims. More then half play REGULARLY on our server.


Ever heard of Singapore Sword in the now-defunct CGS?

Or Fnatic's XcN dota division


DotA grew because first of its hardcore fan-base, extremely low system requirements, easily pirated game played online, not much lag issues playing online and yes, its multiple creators attention to the game. Only in the last year+ has Blizzard given support to the DotA, before then, it was ignored, wasn't even on the "Official WC3 Mods" list in blizard website.


heehee to the bolded part and lol @ protective community, and werent you paid to marshal?


Point me to a tournament in europe or america in the last 3-4 months which has used pam4 please.

Oh, and YOUR pam4 and THEIR pam4 is very different, their pam4 ruleset is basically promod with some differences

This post has been edited by SnapperJR: Dec 7 2008, 08:23 AM

1. bulletworm is PAM4's creator, garetjax was just PAM's original creator, so why are we discussing this when bulletworm made PAM4 in the first place, and recently came back to update PAM4 for the last time and make PAM5?
2. What's the point in this statement, at last point, PAM was totally dead without any support until bulletworm suddenly came back and it is unlikely there will be much more support since like raf1, bulletworm is making his version of PAM for cod5. I do agree there is a possibility that EU/NA may drift to DAMN:MW but thats not likely now, it's wayyyyy too bug-ridden and it needs some changes.
3. So what? At least there's support for a mod AND a ruleset. Like I stated previously, I'd still play DAMN:MW over your ruleset, because DAMN is very much more competitive, although the game dynamic is changed TOTALLY.

My point about YOUR and THEIR pam4 was basically the configs, many of your malaysian players seem confused by this point and think PAM4 is a ruleset per say, when like you say it's basically a mod.

Like I said in the other thread, I have the sincere belief that your ruleset shackles your players skill level, leaving them with little progress whatsoever, and with a community self-brainwashed into stating stuff like "ohhh promod is ezmod" when most of them have never even tried promod, as well as self-brainwashed into believing that their own ruleset is better, because this is what they've played from the start. I giggle like a little schoolgirl when I hear that. If it was so easy in ezmod, why can't you guys win in it?

I'm only here to state my opinion, and start educating people. I know I may sometimes come off as harsh, but you know what, thats the only thing that will attract enough attention so people will read, look at my Asian CoD4 Championship posting, not even 1 post of criticism or of support.

This post has been edited by SnapperJR: Dec 7 2008, 03:38 PM

Thanks Nightkillr,

and brian, if you do intend to eventually grow into international ruleset why was this not announced earlier?

eh props to you since your so proud of your growing community, but I throw aggressive opinions? Perhaps you should look at my first post in this thread and to who I quoted to, if your members want to sit in there and spread lies to justify why the "malaysian" ruleset should stay, then I will always seek to clarify the truth. And, yeah, I'm the one being aggressive going around calling other people girls and putting words in other peoples mouth.

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Added on December 7, 2008, 8:18 pmActually, you know what, I'm bowing out from this argument, I've said my piece and Night has clarified a lot of what I wanted to say.

Any more of my arguing, and I only further entrench your mindset of malaysian ruleset vs promod and international ruleset and more people will resist it, just so they can argue with me.

I wish you luck for the future.


This post has been edited by SnapperJR: Dec 7 2008, 08:18 PM