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TSSilentE
post Nov 30 2008, 09:04 PM, updated 18y ago

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Hey , I will be getting my new lappie soon. Its going to use a Vista OS(Though I know isn't any good yet) , 2 G of RAM , 2.10GHz , and NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M GS graphics.


I was wondering , would it be just nice to play games like Habbo on it? With less lags? I dont plan to do super-heavy gaming. Just that I want to
play games such as Habbo.


PLEASE NOTE: Dont post things like 'Habbo sucks' , 'Vista sucks' , or whatever things similiar to that. Please post your opinion about it.
Dont be rude here , too. smile.gif


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post Nov 30 2008, 09:23 PM

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I think this thread should belong in uh Mobile Computing. Anyway , check out the pinned threads there , they give you a general picture

Don't tell me you're going to play Habbo Hotel ? . Habbo doesn't need that powerful graphics , even an on board graphics card from Intel would do the trick. But nevertheless , keep that graphics card option. Its better to have a dedicated rather then an on board. But jugding from what you're going to use it for , the graphics card seems to be bit of a overkill.

My advice would be skip GeForce and opt for Intel if you want more juice (aka battery life) and you don't want the laptop to be hot. A discrete graphics card may "heat up" and they don't give you a longer battery life as opposed to an IGP. Its just my advice. On the other hand , if you plan to use your laptop to watch HD Movies or plan to do light gaming or even have plans to play latest games such as GTA IV ,then its better to have that graphics card option !
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QUOTE(prasys @ Nov 30 2008, 09:23 PM)
I think this thread should belong in uh Mobile Computing. Anyway , check out the pinned threads there , they give you a general picture

Don't tell me you're going to play Habbo Hotel ? . Habbo doesn't need that powerful graphics , even an on board graphics card from Intel would do the trick. But nevertheless , keep that graphics card option. Its better to have a dedicated rather then an on board. But jugding from what you're going to use it for , the graphics card seems to be bit of a overkill.

My advice would be skip GeForce and opt for Intel if you want more juice (aka battery life) and you don't want the laptop to be hot. A discrete graphics card may "heat up" and they don't give you a longer battery life as opposed to an IGP. Its just my advice. On the other hand , if you plan to use your laptop to watch HD Movies or plan to do light gaming or even have plans to play latest games such as GTA IV ,then its better to have that graphics card option !
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You shouldn't be having any problems playing light 3D games. Maybe some games have to be played in "lowest settings". I'd recommend a nVidia 9XXX series dedicated graphics card with at least 256MB GDDR3 RAM on-board GPU.
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post Nov 30 2008, 10:44 PM

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8400M GS = timebomb

stay away from it...
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post Nov 30 2008, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Nov 30 2008, 10:44 PM)
8400M GS = timebomb

stay away from it...
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Care to list your reason instead of flaming a product without details?
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flaming??? srry, i lol-ed

go google abt it... keyword: Nvidia GPU problem

i ve said this in lowyat for probably more than 20 times... and u re the first one who say i am flaming...

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post Dec 1 2008, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Nov 30 2008, 10:47 PM)
Care to list your reason instead of flaming a product without details?
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8400 and 8600 are time bombs.

Both GC are using a faulty GPU core which cause higher failure rate.I own a 8600GT laptop and in the LYN thread,we have high failure which is about 1 dead mobo a week,average when the model first released.My laptop's motherboard failed once before and got replaced.Then,later on,the smaller model call M1330 also having this problem and that model's owner's complaining their laptops having red lines on the monitor or no display at all after they own it about a year.Their motherboards have to be changed too.

Dell was aware of the problem and they release a critical update for the BIOS to reduce the GC's temperature by leaving the fan on most of the time.

IMO,if possible,avoid taking 8400,8600,or maybe even 9600 when buying laptops,especially you dont need that much power in gaming.

If im not wrong,even 9600 are also affected by this problem.

We are not flaming it without any valid reasons.It does have problems.
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post Dec 1 2008, 02:06 AM

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Light gamings should be ok right?
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yeah, but dont play Devil May Cry 3 . It's graphic card killer~
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post Dec 1 2008, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(SilentE @ Dec 1 2008, 02:06 AM)
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Light gamings should be ok right?
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Just get the Intel GMA option if thats the case. Not only it would save you the trouble but also it would be cooler

P.S Not only Dells are affected even my friend's MacBook Pro (with 8600GT) is having the the same problem. The motherboard just fails. People say that the whole GeForce 8 series for lappies is a total failure tongue.gif. Its better to opt for ATI or Intel in this case
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post Dec 1 2008, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Nov 30 2008, 11:23 PM)
flaming??? srry, i lol-ed

go google abt it... keyword: Nvidia GPU problem

i ve said this in lowyat for probably more than 20 times... and u re the first one who say i am flaming...
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Google'd already, found the problem. Sorry for misunderstanding you...

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Dec 1 2008, 12:39 AM)
8400 and 8600 are time bombs.

Both GC are using a faulty GPU core which cause higher failure rate.I own a 8600GT laptop and in the LYN thread,we have high failure which is about 1 dead mobo a week,average when the model first released.My laptop's motherboard failed once before and got replaced.Then,later on,the smaller model call M1330 also having this problem and that model's owner's complaining their laptops having red lines on the monitor or no display at all after they own it about a year.Their motherboards have to be changed too.

Dell was aware of the problem and they release a critical update for the BIOS to reduce the GC's temperature by leaving the fan on most of the time.

IMO,if possible,avoid taking 8400,8600,or maybe even 9600 when buying laptops,especially you dont need that much power in gaming.

If im not wrong,even 9600 are also affected by this problem.

We are not flaming it without any valid reasons.It does have problems.
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Thanks for explaining it.

QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 1 2008, 10:11 AM)
Just get the Intel GMA option if thats the case. Not only it would save you the trouble but also it would be cooler

P.S Not only Dells are affected even my friend's MacBook Pro (with 8600GT) is having the the same problem. The motherboard just fails. People say that the whole GeForce 8 series for lappies is a total failure tongue.gif. Its better to opt for ATI or Intel in this case
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Hey "prasys", I've got a couple of schoolmates who are on MacBook Pro's all running nVidia's 8600GTs, they've got no problems or whatsoever "yet". nVidia should remake the graphics card line for laptops.
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QUOTE(prasys @ Dec 1 2008, 10:11 AM)
Just get the Intel GMA option if thats the case. Not only it would save you the trouble but also it would be cooler

P.S Not only Dells are affected even my friend's MacBook Pro (with 8600GT) is having the the same problem. The motherboard just fails. People say that the whole GeForce 8 series for lappies is a total failure tongue.gif. Its better to opt for ATI or Intel in this case
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I did heard of Macbook mobo failures.Guess nVidia screw up big time with 8-series.

QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 1 2008, 12:09 PM)
nVidia should remake the graphics card line for laptops.
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Dont think so because,if nVidia replace all the faulty GC,nVidia will go burst.
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post Dec 1 2008, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Dec 1 2008, 02:36 PM)
I did heard of Macbook mobo failures.Guess nVidia screw up big time with 8-series.
Dont think so because,if nVidia replace all the faulty GC,nVidia will go burst.
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Well, I think that nVidia better do something about it. It's best if they do a recall but as you said, they'll go bust (not burst).
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post Dec 1 2008, 03:40 PM

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Nvidia merely said: Everything's under control... but from wat i gathered, Nvidia OEM partners are not very happy...

Nvidia already lost quite a lot of money in Q3 2008 becuz of that... can't imagine if they really have a recall...
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post Dec 1 2008, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 1 2008, 03:40 PM)
Nvidia merely said: Everything's under control... but from wat i gathered, Nvidia OEM partners are not very happy...

Nvidia already lost quite a lot of money in Q3 2008 becuz of that... can't imagine if they really have a recall...
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Don't forget, the economy is in a bad state of issues.
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post Dec 1 2008, 06:34 PM

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the financial report was released before the financial tsunami started...
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post Dec 1 2008, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 1 2008, 06:34 PM)
the financial report was released before the financial tsunami started...
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Actually, not just nVidia is in deep sh*t, most companies are gonna be or are already in financial turmoil due to economy problems.
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you want to play good habbo? all you need is just good internet connection, that's all.


Added on December 2, 2008, 3:26 amyou want to play good habbo? all you need is just good internet connection, that's all.

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internet sux in my place...
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post Dec 2 2008, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(arct @ Dec 2 2008, 03:25 AM)
you want to play good habbo? all you need is just good internet connection, that's all.


Added on December 2, 2008, 3:26 amyou want to play good habbo? all you need is just good internet connection, that's all.
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Agree with you.

QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Dec 2 2008, 07:32 AM)
internet sux in my place...
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 2 2008, 10:58 AM)
Agree with you.
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no he is being absurd
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According to graph at hardocp.com, far cry 2 in dx10 yield better performance than dx9. Look for "DX10 Finally Shines" headline. As for myself, I've experience constant stuttering in dx10 sweat.gif
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QUOTE(zubai @ Dec 4 2008, 02:35 PM)
According to graph at hardocp.com, far cry 2 in dx10 yield better performance than dx9. Look for "DX10 Finally Shines" headline. As for myself, I've experience constant stuttering in dx10 sweat.gif
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It should yield better performance because if I'm not mistaken, FC2 is tailored for DX10 or PhysX.
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VERY BAD FOR GAMING

SUPER NOT RECOMMENDED
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another XP fanboy in the house...
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QUOTE(astria @ Dec 7 2008, 10:34 PM)
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another XP fanboy in the house...
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Don't worry, he'll change once he needs to use Vista.
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or Windows 7

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or Windows 7
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Windows 7 looks set to be 'smoother for gaming'... compared to Vista. But it will still be XP > Windows 7 for gaming, for about a few months until Nvidia/ATI releases a crazily optimised driver.

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QUOTE(firstbread2794 @ Dec 7 2008, 06:36 PM)
VERY BAD FOR GAMING

SUPER NOT RECOMMENDED
on really? great, then too bad for all the games / hardware review sites. smile.gif

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Yesterday I just formatted by PC from XP to back again Vista (cos previously I thought that XP should be less resource hogging)..

I found that my GTA4 has higher frame rate in Vista than XP. I also tried Spiderman: Web of Shadows and seriously, before this I had stuttering problems with the graphics but now its very smooth.

I don't know why but Vista just handles dual core better than XP does. Even though I already patched my XP to SP3 and also applied the dual core optimizer but it just doesn't unlock the full potential of dual core..

btw, I am using an old skool socket 939 AMD X2 4400+ (2.2Ghz)...
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Dec 8 2008, 12:14 AM)
Don't worry, he'll change once he needs to use Vista.
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lol, before this i used to hate vista, but after upgrading my os to vista x64. i stick with it. love it, haha =)
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QUOTE(e t c @ Dec 15 2008, 01:12 AM)
lol, before this i used to hate vista, but after upgrading my os to vista x64. i stick with it. love it, haha =)
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That's what happens...all these people yelling Vista sucks never use Vista b4. Once they tried it, they're hooked. LOL.


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QUOTE(calson @ Dec 1 2008, 03:13 AM)
yeah, but dont play Devil May Cry 3 . It's graphic card killer~
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I've got over 100fps in DMC4 max settings @ 1680 x 1050...and constant 60fps when i set vsync on (i always play my games with v-sync on, that's the way it's supposed to be play!)...look better than PS3 version...

But of course, i use ATI 4850...LOL...runing in Vista. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(SilentE @ Nov 30 2008, 09:04 PM)
Hey , I will be getting my new lappie soon. Its going to use a Vista OS(Though I know isn't any good yet) , 2 G of RAM , 2.10GHz , and NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M GS graphics.
I was wondering , would it be just nice to play games like Habbo on it? With less lags? I dont plan to do super-heavy gaming. Just that I want to
play games such as Habbo.
PLEASE NOTE: Dont post things like 'Habbo sucks' , 'Vista sucks' , or whatever things similiar to that. Please post your opinion about it.
Dont be rude here , too. smile.gif
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dont use vista or it will slow your lappie.
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QUOTE(steve88 @ Jan 6 2009, 08:48 AM)
dont use vista or it will slow your lappie.
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Can you please shut the fu*k up?! Vista isn't the only OS that slows down. Every OS slows down including Mac/Vista/XP/Ubuntu. doh.gif
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QUOTE(SilentE @ Nov 30 2008, 09:04 PM)
PLEASE NOTE: Dont post things like 'Habbo sucks' , 'Vista sucks' , or whatever things similiar to that. Please post your opinion about it.
Dont be rude here , too. smile.gif
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QUOTE(steve88 @ Jan 6 2009, 08:48 AM)
dont use vista or it will slow your lappie.
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rudeness detected...

well done

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QUOTE(steve88 @ Jan 6 2009, 08:48 AM)
dont use vista or it will slow your lappie.
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im using Vista Business..comes with HP Compaq lappie..
1.6Ghz C2D+ 3GB ram..

running smoothly..no prob..

my gaming rig oso got Vista Ulti..
running as fast as my strip down XP..

but still prefer Vista coz its nicer and "what ever good ppl said about it".. icon_rolleyes.gif

still waiting for W7
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jan 8 2009, 01:08 PM)
im using Vista Business..comes with HP Compaq lappie..
1.6Ghz C2D+ 3GB ram..

running smoothly..no prob..

my gaming rig oso got Vista Ulti..
running as fast as my strip down XP..

but still prefer Vista coz its nicer and "what ever good ppl said about it".. icon_rolleyes.gif

still waiting for W7
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Bro, you'll have to wait for approximately 1 year. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Jan 8 2009, 01:51 PM)
Bro, you'll have to wait for approximately 1 year. sweat.gif
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lor..

anyway.. i still got my Vista..and SP2 will come out on few month..
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If it about internet connection, the thing you should do is tweaking the tcpip.sys and other things that vista restricted.
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The only thing that bother me in vista is the UAC..other than that vista is working fine for me..and i have a good friend of mine in vista and his name is BSOD which will frequently visit me once a week due to my rams compatibility.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(SurFerZ @ Jan 12 2009, 08:20 AM)
The only thing that bother me in vista is the UAC..other than that vista is working fine for me..and i have a good friend of mine in vista and his name is BSOD which will frequently visit me once a week due to my rams compatibility.. biggrin.gif
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UAC..no problem..
i always turn off it everytime i installed Vista..
my PC, my friends PC, and any pc thats i always use.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jan 12 2009, 08:53 AM)
UAC..no problem..
i always turn off it everytime i installed Vista..
my PC, my friends PC, and any pc thats i always use.. biggrin.gif
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Ya...but everytime after reformating my windows i'll have to turn it off and then restart my pc to apply settings.. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(SurFerZ @ Jan 12 2009, 09:18 AM)
Ya...but everytime after reformating my windows i'll have to turn it off and then restart my pc to apply settings.. shakehead.gif
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just once it its lifetime btw..
not much problem since u oso need to restart after installing ur drivers..
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jan 12 2009, 09:54 AM)
just once it its lifetime btw..
not much problem since u oso need to restart after installing ur drivers..
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It's kinda irritating for me though.. vmad.gif
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jan 12 2009, 08:53 AM)
UAC..no problem..
i always turn off it everytime i installed Vista..
my PC, my friends PC, and any pc thats i always use.. biggrin.gif
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I've been doing that for quite a long time already but I've got a question, how the fu*k do we remove the "Attention/Exclamation Mark/Icon" (!) from the Windows Taskbar?
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Jan 12 2009, 10:22 PM)
I've been doing that for quite a long time already but I've got a question, how the fu*k do we remove the "Attention/Exclamation Mark/Icon" (!) from the Windows Taskbar?
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what icon? as long im using my PC for few years.. those problem rarely occur just when my device got problem or USB error only..
and if about security center..
open cntrl panel..
and follow these step. nod.gif
this one in XP..but vista oso same..


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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jan 13 2009, 08:09 AM)
what icon? as long im using my PC for few years.. those problem rarely occur just when my device got problem or USB error only..
and if about security center..
open cntrl panel..
and follow these step. nod.gif
this one in XP..but vista oso same..
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Thanks for your help, if you don't mind, I've saved the picture for future references. But don't worry, I'll credit it to you. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoDude94 @ Jan 13 2009, 10:53 AM)
Thanks for your help, if you don't mind, I've saved the picture for future references. But don't worry, I'll credit it to you. thumbup.gif
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kay.. no problem..
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Using laptops to play games is not a very good choice, but if you insist to, try to get better graphic card, RAM 2GB is alrdy enough as you are not hardcore gamer. I uses HD4670 (for desktop though) and it works well even in higher resolution games such as devil may cry 4 and call of duty 4.

Habbo isn't a high requirement game, i think it should be ok.
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