STPM harder i think. i studied STPM before.

Spoon-fed? Have you even been to matriculation? Please buddy don't talk bout what you don't know. Everything students do there is based on your own effort. Lecturers are not gonna visit you asking if you're doing alright. Most of them don't care and if you want to learn anything it's you who has see them! Yah it sounds pretty mean, but from what I understand the same thing applies for Uni so matrix students will find it easier to adapt I guess. About the rest of your points, easy to score bla bla bla ( typical way STPM students look at matrix students ) I wouldn't know. Never finished my course as I got my dream offer half way through

In the previous post, one saying matric you need to work hard to score 4 flat...of course. Well..it is same apply to STPM student if they want to score 4 flat. But I believe it is much harder to score 4 flat in STPM.
Second, is since matric n STPM is compete the same plateform to enrol local uni, 4.0 for matric and STPM should be same value. U are wrong if u think so...
check this
http://2hard2lie.blogspot.com/2008/03/stpm...-place-for.html
most places for popular course is accomodate by matric students (want to stress, the stats is only non bumi chinese, not even consider bumi)
so I really can not see the future for STPM and will not recomend ppl to study although it really help a student to mature and learn a lot.

matrix is easiest....

So... no wonder so many STPM students n lecturers in UNI look down on Matriculation students... Less competitive but yet get into UNI...

everything come with a reason..right???

Well... I have read the post posted in previous post, and I also received the similar thing when I was in my UNI at last semester. It seems that the fact will be confusing as for some courses (engineering and education for example), the minimum for get into computer engineering and software engineering is just 2.3 as the book shows 3.2. Like mine, education, it said that there must be at least Band 4 in MUET and pointer more than 3.0 to get into education, but I am only (a little to 3) and my MUET is Band 5. There are some of my coursemates less than 2.5 pointer and their MUET is only Band 2 yet they get enrolled into UNI. How is the enrollment system counts? Who knows.

While about the matriculation system, I am not sure it is true or not as it differs from every marticulation college (based on my points that I obtain from my friends in matriculation). Easier to score compared to STPM will be the truth as the marker is the lecturer him/herself (same as UNI system, if he/she hates you then...), while STPM marking system is similar to SPM (you don't know who is marking yours). That's why they are more easy to adept the system of UNI compared to STPM student.

Whatever it is, just study hard and as long as you get a good pointer (no matter is matriculation, A level or STPM), you will be able to secure a good position in universities. Those are opinions though... Because when I studied STPM I also spend most of my time sleeping, even at the exams.

This post has been edited by Latios: Dec 16 2008, 04:22 PM

matrix is much easier....u study the sylibus for half year, get tested.
for 2nd sem, just read the 2nd sem sylibus n tested.....somemore sometimes got tips...
STPM is much harder....u got to study all 1 n half year sylibus for the exam!

Anyone here thinking about Diploma? I think Diploma is also considered as same level as these, right?

i would say STPM is even harder than diploma..
as said for STPM we need to study 1 n half year sylibus for the exam,
while for diploma, we just study that sem sylibus (eg half year) for the exam...
well different ppl might view it differently, its just my 2 cent... :>

If only it was as easy as people say it is.

i tot matrix is just for bumis oni


hard or easy, its just pre-U, just get urself a good enough result (above B) n tats it
i know many guys tat just finish spm n very worried if it would be very hard
what to worry lar, so many people take STPM every year, if they can do it y u kenot
STPM or any other Pre-U for tat matter is not tat hard, easily can pass wan

kids nowadays are so scared cause they are so pampered by their parents n never to worry
back in my days which r not so fortunate n parents not doing so well in the financial sector, i look forward to it instead, instead of fearing for hard work, i oni see it a a chance to get myself a better future. If dun continue study how ? Go work as shitass jobs with shitass working schedules n get shitass pay


now kira ok lar, just sit in opis n spam in LYN whole day long
how can i regret i study Pre-U lar

None are easy. It's a question of which is relatively easier.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Dec 18 2008, 05:42 PM

haiya.. matrix is like uni lor.. jus tat wat they learn is like advance a bit from form 5 lor.. then each semester got test lor.. after test can forget le lor.. then aim for the other semester lor.. must score in each semester lor.. partly easy if u hardworkin.. hard if u a lazy type.. stpm --> well yup every 1 or two month, u get tested on a test on wat u hav learn for each chapter of the subject.. then u hav to remember wat u hav study and accumulate for 1 and a half year b4 u ar access on the real test--> STPM( which is a total accumulation of wat u learn in 1 1/2 year in form 6. tat y people consider in harder tat matrix.. then since u r force to remember so well for the STPM test .. when u enter Uni.. life will be a breeze for u since u r jus refreshing ur memory again.. pengajian am--> uni(kenegaraan) phy/bio/chem--> uni(all the science subject u take la), add math--> uni( statistic, advance math, accounting etc) so it related..

hey daikors/daijies,
according to all the informative posts above, i believe that STPM would be the safest bet to advance to tertiary lvl both internationally and nationally?

Nope...Non bumis also can enter but at a certain quota...But matriculation is no doubt, the easiest compared to STPM and A level

@@ i also a science stream student from stpm in 2003　@@
i graduate now.
wat i want to say hmm
dunno u all believe or not since i see my fren who are form 6 with me in the uni.
she is one of the top scorer in stpm in that year (4.0 for 5 subject)
she enter for ME( her favourite)
during her study she manage to get 4.0 all 8 semester @@ but her study style very easy. still have time to shopping, do direct sales and dating with bf always.
one of her classmate from matrix 4.0 also. this guy study hard @@ i salute also. but unfortunately he only manage to get 3.83 after finish the study.

wat i want to conclude not to offend but just wat i view
for a stpm student who manage to get 4.0, about 90% he/she can get 4 flat in his/her study
for a matrix student who manage to get 4.0, only half half (50%) can get 4.0.

wat i think is that the scope and the way of pre-U system conduct is differently and the thing learning in each pre-u system slightly different.

yup in matrix life like uni but since i also study uni b4 i know the trick. assignment yes need we finish but we can get guidance also from the lecturer. u all say report need to pass up. yup also. hard to rest.
but in stpm also alot of report need to do, we not dun have report like u all. beside that, we also have to memorize the thing over an over again.
i try b4 take my stpm exam paper for my fren who sitting matrix to do. remark oh.. they chinese and score 4.0 in matrix. but they cant even solve more than 70%.

wat i want to say, not we stpm student look down on matrix, just we feel the not fair system from the goverment to us compare to matrix.

im still not clear btween the subject taken for all course. For science stream student, in matrix we get to choose either physics or biology right? Wat other subjects that a Must? how bout stpm, we will have to take up all 3 sc subj?

em A level is actually a STPM equivalent. That's why you can use either of these. People tend to think their one's is better may due to they had a hard time completing it.