Thanks your explanation, it no doubt to me already. you have a right to speak what you like, forum is a place open talk. As i read you are no directly condemning.
About Cat deaths linking cat food, That is so sad.,Cats are much more sensitive than dogs. During the melamine scandal in Spring 2007 many more cats died than dogs. How awful to lose your pet this way.

Thanks. i do know what you meant by "talk song". and yes there are some ppl do talk song. they are irritating.
i think you know cat well. they are really sensitive especially to food. thats why the rescuer mentioned above feeds kittens and sick cats with Orijen or can food (Addiction, Evo, Regal) and adults with ACANA, but dog with Regal kibbles. They believe that giving the best food will lower the chance of visiting vets.
One thing to mention that, they have several cats suffering from syndrome similar to thiamine deficiency, and they all are taking fish kibbles (several brands). an experienced vet also mention that if the processings of kibbles do not destroy the toxic that cause TD, then there are still a possibility they will get TD. even though it is not lab proven. I just want to share here if anyone have seen similar TD syndrome on your cats, plz take necessary actions.

Q: WHY IS ORIJEN IRRADIATED?
A: Australia requires irradiation on foods that include fresh meats or that have been cooked at low temperatures.
Other pet foods that are cooked at high temperatures or are made with chicken meal, turkey meal, fish meal or other
ingredients that are pre-cooked at high temperatures prior to inclusion in pet foods do not have to be irradiated.

Q: ISN’T IRRADIATION GENERALLY RECOGNIZED AS SAFE?
A: YES. But Irradiation is typically applied to human foods at doses between 5-10kGY.
ORIJEN in Australia received a minimum level of 50 kGY and records recovered from the Australian irradiation facility
show that ORIJEN was irradiated to levels reaching 61 kGY. THESE ARE VERY SUBSTANTIAL LEVELS OF IRRADIATION.
Studies indicate that cats fed dry cat food irradiated at levels between 36 and 47kGY develop the same neurological
symptoms as seen in the Australian cats.

Q: HOW DOES IRRADIATION AFFECT ORIJEN?
A: In recent weeks, Champion Petfoods has conducted extensive testing on ORIJEN Cat sold in Australia. From a combination of laboratory test results, scientific papers from reputable journals, and consultation from various nutritional experts and veterinarians around the world, we have discovered 2 primary factors:

1) VITAMIN A DEPLETION IN IRRADIATED FOODS
Our tests show that irradiation of ORIJEN Cat at 50kGY causes a depletion of vitamin A of up to 77%. The irradiation
levels applied to ORIJEN in Australia exceeded this amount.

We tested ORIJEN cat foods at varying levels of irradiation (0 kGY (control), 25kGY and 50kGY). The results show a
direct and linear relationship between the increase in irradiation dosage and vitamin A depletion. In other words, more
vitamins were depleted as the level of irradiation increased.

Literature published by the American College of Veterinary Pathologists (2007) shows that depletion of vitamin A from
irradiated cat food is associated with the same symptoms in cats as are reported in Australia (CASSIDY ET. AL, 2007).
An excerpt from the American College of Veterinary Pathologists’ study supports this finding:

“Both SPF (specific pathogen free) and conventional status cats had been fed to appetite on the same commercial formula ration (Gilbertson and Page Ltd., Welwyn Garden City, UK), except that the ration fed to the SPF cats had been irradiated by a
single-exposure gamma-radiation treatment between 36.3 and 47.3 kGy (Cobalt 60 irradiator; Isotron Ireland, Tullamore,
Ireland). The irradiated diet was consumed to the same extent as the non-irradiated diet, and affected animals did not lose weight until the developing ataxia hindered their access to food… Following supplementation of the irradiated diet with pasteurized proprietary tinned cat food in the winter of 2001 and, ultimately, the replacement of the irradiated diet with an equivalent pasteurized diet, no further cases occurred”.

The report describes an investigation of 8 cases where the disease is associated with the long-term feeding of cats on a
gamma-irradiated dry food diet. This study is available on the internet from the link below:
www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/44/6/912

2) THE FORMATION AND RELEASE OF FREE RADICALS IN IRRADIATED FOODS
A second major impact of irradiation is the formation and release of free radicals. Irradiation does not affect all foods equally. ORIJEN is a nutritionally dense food with much higher levels of long-chain fatty acids (DHA, EPA) than conventional pet foods. These fatty acids are susceptible to oxidation following irradiation. Bi-products from fatty acid oxidation, mainly free radicals, are released into the body with the potential to cause tissue damage. Combined with the loss of antioxidant vitamins (see Vitamin A described above), free radicals are thought to be a major contributing factor.

When irradiation is applied to food, the molecular structure of long chain fatty acids (DHA, EPA) is altered. This causes
the formation of free radicals that are then released into the body.

ORIJEN CAT foods contain very high levels of EPA and DHA unsaturated fatty acids and therefore have a much greater
potential for free radical formation (in response to irradiation) than do conventional dry cat foods. Scientific evidence shows that increased oxidative bi-products combined with decreased presence of antioxidant vitamins (see above) are consistent with the symptoms shown in Australian cats. The fact that cats in Australia treated with vitamin and antioxidant supplementation have shown improvements supports this finding.

An excerpt from the American College of Veterinary Pathologists’ study supports this position:
“Irradiation is known to reduce the vitamin content of food, the effect of which may be indirect, in that inadequate amounts of these compounds may be available to counteract the effects of free radicals generated by normal cell metabolism. A previous study found that irradiation of a feline diet containing 9.8% fat with a 2- to 5-Mrad dose totally destroyed its vitamin A and β-carotene content, whereas thiamine, vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), and folic acid were depleted to a lesser extent, and vitamin E concentrations appeared to be unaffected by this dose of radiation. The relatively high dietary fat requirement of cats may be significant in this context in that irradiation of this fat component could potentially generate higher concentrations of micronutrient-damaging free radicals than would be generated on irradiating diets of lower fat content.”

tq tq, should have clicked on d link first...
wonder what australia's gonna do? they are very strict when it comes to imported foodstuff, borderline paranoia if you ask me.
the took my 'wah mui' packets before for testing and told me to collect it a few weeks later b4

Glad you coming back. Look the Cat deaths link to pet food, the cat owner need take caution. by the way have another news from symptoms of salmonella infection to pet food for other brand. It already get recall by some area.
do you know symptoms of salmonella infection?
Salmonella can cause serious infections in dogs and cats, and, if there is cross contamination caused by handling of the pet food, in people as well, especially children, the aged, and people with compromised immune systems. Healthy people potentially infected with Salmonella should monitor themselves for some or all of the following symptoms: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, abdominal cramping and fever. On rare occasions, Salmonella can result in more serious ailments, including arterial infections, endocarditis, arthritis, muscle pain, eye irritation, and urinary tract symptoms. Consumers exhibiting these signs after having contact with this product should contact their healthcare providers.

oh it is symptoms not syndrome, thanks for that. my English isnt good.

Can you share about which brands are affected in the recall? then we can take caution.

About the Salmonella, thanks for the information. but the pet rescuer did not tell me any cats are suffering from any of these symptoms.

There are 3 cats affected this time, all of them are fed Orijen for a long time.

Bro, if got time do come here, i am sure you truly love animals. and i am sure we will have good chats on it. i have pm you my contact number.

Thanks your contact, have found 3 cat get affected by Orijen? It might serious issue. Not sure other cat owner have facing same problem?

Clementcpteh...yes i m mak from champion pet supplies sdn.bhd....
I thot u've quit CPS. didn't know u're back.

i know there is always talk only but please talk sensible things cos if u were to read dondong posting it states that the pet rescue have already got the same incident rhat happened in australia but i can say its a big lie cos i went to my pet rescue ppl n asked them n the answer is negative..
r u sure u know every single pet rescue ppl in malaysia? strange....indeed

furthrtmotr we don have any client having 170 cats n feeding them with orijen...
looks like u still don't know ALL CPS customers. r u the one servicing all of them?

i don think any breeder in right mind will feed 170 cats with only orijen ....
first of all, it's pet rescue ppl, not breeders. i don't think the rescuer will like being told that he/she is not in the right mind, especially if dongdong is right about he/she feeding 170 cats with Orijen.. what will ur boss say if he/she withdraws all orders of Orijen/Acana because of ur remark and not because of the problem. so, i think u should be the one to be careful of what u say, rather than dongdong.

dongdong ur statement might land u up in legal suit if u cant prove that u r right cos its tarnishing the name of orijen and also a very reputable petfood manufacturer in canada....
how is dongdong tarnishing the name of Orijen? he did mention that the symptoms (he used the word syndrome)
were the same; he did not straightaway confirm it's the food. fyi, people working for a reputable petfood distributor can also tarnish the name of the food without realising it, not only end consumers or forummers, but i don't read of anyone tarnishing anything here.

please priovide me with the supposed petshop cum pet rescue name so that i can clarify everything for u b4 i send ur posting in this forum to the principal in canada n let them decide what actions they wanna take..
plse-lah, don't try to strut your stuff, leave it to the peacock. who is the actual boss of CPS now? really confusing.

u can call me if u don wanna reply in this forum ..012-3590666...tq..
clement can i know how u know me ? tq
of course people will know the BOSS OF CPS, isn't it?

sorry wrong information here, it is ACANA mix with Orijen. you may think whatever you want to think, they are rich or i m bluffing, or what so ever, that is your problems. i doubt why mako know so little about this. or maybe there is a communication problem.

but i just want to ask whether any cat owners facing the same problem? am i directly condemning champion pet food? and yes the fact is that some cats eating Orijen facing this problem. thats all. even though it is not proven that Orijen is the cause. and yes i do have friend saw a sharp fish bone in Orijen kibble as well, believe it or not it is up to you.

clement if you think that forum is just a place to talk song than no point staying here. actually i with my friend have personally convinced quite a number of forumers to switch to Orijen. Orijen was the best food in my mind. you may go Cari.com.my to find out how many forumers are feeding Orijen now.

btw i have pm mako...

Two weeks ago Champion Petfoods removed ORIJEN cat foods from shops in Australia and last week we issued a voluntary recall to collect any remaining cat food. Please know this recall is specific to AUSTRALIA ONLY and does not impact any ORIJEN food other than what was exported to Australia. As ORIJEN is made with fresh meats cooked at low temperatures, the Australian government mandates our foods be irradiated. This process is unique to Australia and we believe is the cause for health concerns in cats in the Sydney area. We have since stopped all ORIJEN shipments to Australia.

This problem does not originate from our factory or from our ingredients. All foods (including those shipped to Australia) have been tested thoroughly in the past few weeks and the results are perfect. We have recently uncovered research connecting irradiation to health problems in cats and have since ceased all shipments to Australia http://www.vetpathology.org/cgi/content/full/44/6/912

We are completely (100%!) confident in ORIJEN foods.

Thank you,

Peter A. Muhlenfeld

Champion Petfoods Ltd.
T  780.939.6888

www.championpetfoods.com
Voluntary Recall: Orijen Cat Food AUSTRALIA ONLY!

Sorry for interrupting, but i can't get this out of my head.

If Orijen claims this is because of irradiation, how come pet food from other brand escape this debacle? Don't tell me other pet food all come from inside Australia or are not irradiated?

mako, i am not sure if you are employee or employer of CPS, then why should i disclose anything to you? do you have any prove showing you are the mentioned? are you moderator? there are something P&C, not that you want then i am obliged to tell you. you say i will get into trouble, then i cant see you know law. why dont you go and ask you dear boss Mr Gan or yourself( i assume you are Mr Gan) is there such a big customers taking such a big order every month? and outsider knows more than insider?

call them and visit with your boss? you DONT NEED to come. Your boss will be more than enough. ok lah, lets your boss do his task, not you ok? if want to sue also from your boss ok?

oh one more thing to mention, you know less than me. did your boss email to Canada?