Dongdong can i know which is the petshop cum dog/cat rescuer ? there is only one in the klang valley selling orijen n i didnt get any complain fron them at all... i m the marketing personnel for champion pet supplies which is the importer of acana n orijen n as at today there is no complain from any of our client n i hope u can furnish me with the name of the petshop cum pet rescue so that i can go n confirm on this matter otherwise i hope u don simply mention it out cos it can be quite harmful to our company image n i hope u can cooperaqte with me by giving me the name n contact no. of ur fren so that we can refer this matter back to our supplier in canada.. tq

if u dont believe u can contact me anytime, i will bring you here. plz do not simply talk ppl like that before you know anything. They consume more than 30 bag of 7kg Orijen per month, you can ask mako. he/she certainly know which rescuer i m referring to. thanks.
Hi mako, i bet you know which pet shop i m referring to. i think it is one of your largest customers also, not because they have a lot pf customers, but they have over 170 cats. furthermore, i m just mentioning the possibility, not as a conclusion of feeding Orijen. since it is mentioned in australlia, so i would certainly link paralysis in the rescuer's cats. sorry if cause any discomfort for you.

I must declare that it is a possibility only.

ok whatever you say, mako will have to find it out.

Clementcpteh...yes i m mak from champion pet supplies sdn.bhd.... i know there is always talk only but please talk sensible things cos if u were to read dondong posting it states that the pet rescue have already got the same incident rhat happened in australia but i can say its a big lie cos i went to my pet rescue ppl n asked them n the answer is negative.. furthrtmotr we don have any client having 170 cats n feeding them with orijen... i don think any breeder in right mind will feed 170 cats with only orijen ....dongdong ur statement might land u up in legal suit if u cant prove that u r right cos its tarnishing the name of orijen and also a very reputable petfood manufacturer in canada.... please priovide me with the supposed petshop cum pet rescue name so that i can clarify everything for u b4 i send ur posting in this forum to the principal in canada n let them decide what actions they wanna take.. u can call me if u don wanna reply in this forum ..012-3590666...tq..clement can i know how u know me ? tq

sorry wrong information here, it is ACANA mix with Orijen. you may think whatever you want to think, they are rich or i m bluffing, or what so ever, that is your problems. i doubt why mako know so little about this. or maybe there is a communication problem.

but i just want to ask whether any cat owners facing the same problem? am i directly condemning champion pet food? and yes the fact is that some cats eating Orijen facing this problem. thats all. even though it is not proven that Orijen is the cause. and yes i do have friend saw a sharp fish bone in Orijen kibble as well, believe it or not it is up to you.

clement if you think that forum is just a place to talk song than no point staying here. actually i with my friend have personally convinced quite a number of forumers to switch to Orijen. Orijen was the best food in my mind. you may go Cari.com.my to find out how many forumers are feeding Orijen now.

btw i have pm mako...

Thanks. i do know what you meant by "talk song". and yes there are some ppl do talk song. they are irritating.
i think you know cat well. they are really sensitive especially to food. thats why the rescuer mentioned above feeds kittens and sick cats with Orijen or can food (Addiction, Evo, Regal) and adults with ACANA, but dog with Regal kibbles. They believe that giving the best food will lower the chance of visiting vets.
One thing to mention that, they have several cats suffering from syndrome similar to thiamine deficiency, and they all are taking fish kibbles (several brands). an experienced vet also mention that if the processings of kibbles do not destroy the toxic that cause TD, then there are still a possibility they will get TD. even though it is not lab proven. I just want to share here if anyone have seen similar TD syndrome on your cats, plz take necessary actions.

oh it is symptoms not syndrome, thanks for that. my English isnt good.

Can you share about which brands are affected in the recall? then we can take caution.

About the Salmonella, thanks for the information. but the pet rescuer did not tell me any cats are suffering from any of these symptoms.

There are 3 cats affected this time, all of them are fed Orijen for a long time.

Bro, if got time do come here, i am sure you truly love animals. and i am sure we will have good chats on it. i have pm you my contact number.

Hi Everyone

I'm Ruth from Tails Unlimited and yes, the pet rescuer referred to in the postings in this thread. Having followed closely what has been written, I feel it's time that forummers hear it from the horse's mouth on the actual situation.

Firstly, a couple of my cats have exhibited symptoms similar to the sick cats in Australia and that was what got me very worried. All my cats were on orijen, except that for the senior cats, I mix with Acana light food while I still had the stock at that time. That was why, I asked dongdong to find out in cari.com whether anyone else has cats eating orijen that showed similar symptoms. He went further and brought this issue to this forum which was not what I intended, reason being that I did not know about the existence of this forum, otherwise I would have done it myself since this is an English forum and I'm Chinese illiterate. Maybe, he had been misunderstood since English is not his first language, but whatever it is, I know his intentions are good and he has no spiteful motives towards anyone. What is wrong with seeking other people's views?

I think Mako in his post on 28 November sounded very pompous and high-handed referring to him as 'just a college student'. He must have got this information from his boss who had met one these 'college student' when he was at our place but dongdong was not the one. I hope mako realises that many pet rescuers like us depend on students to do voluntary work and that is what dongdong and his university mates have been doing. Let me just enlighten him that it was 'college students' who built a big cat playhouse FREE OF LABOUR CHARGE for our cats. I'm sure they have more enjoyable things to do during their semester break. It is also 'college students' who bathe our dogs and take them for walks, plus a host of other tasks which people may consider too menial for them, including cleaning poo-poo, burying dead animals, minor repair works, etc. It is also 'college students' who actively promoted orijen food on cari.com, especially the 6 fish formula. Would mako be interested to know what other tasks 'college students', which he belittles, are willing to do for animals? I wonder if he would have done 1 percent of what they did. Mind you, not a single cent did they ask. In fact, dongdong and his mates have even helped to get funds to enable us to pay some big medical bills for the animals. I could go on and on........

Oh yeah, if this 'college student' is no vet, neither is mako. My suggestion is mako takes his own advice. The 'college student' takes care of his studies, he takes care of his sale of orijen and acana. I'm sure he'll have to work extra hard to get more sales.

Secondly, I resent and am very offended at being referred to as a breeder (I abhor breeding) and told that '... i don think any breeder in right mind will feed 170 cats with only orijen ....' He is a marketing personnel, therefore a representative of his company; I shall indeed heed his words and get back to my 'right' mind. Thanks, mako, for those words of caution. I believe you know best indeed. Great to know that you don't think much of the very people you service - is it that you think they can't afford to feed orijen or they are people who don't give a damn what they feed as long as they get maximum profit?

It's indeed a pity 'cos to me Orijen is an excellent food. Isolated cases do not make a food bad. EVEN IF this is the cause, I still say that Orijen is very good but, indeed, I do not want to be thought of as not in my right mind by feeding orijen. Too bad, as I have just started feeding some of dogs orijen too. Since my 170+ cats thrive on it, I thought why not the dogs. Fortunately, I've just started so the dogs won't suffer from withdrawal syndrome if I stop.

Thirdly, the issue at hand. The first cat that exhibited similar symptoms to the ones in Australia was taken to the vet before we knew about the recall. The vet couldn't diagnose his condition. As usual, it was a guessing game. Maybe this or maybe that. According to Dr Georgina Child from SASH Australia, symptoms will appear weeks, maybe months after they have started eating the food. I contacted her last week. She wanted us to send a movie of the sick cat but it was too late as that poor fella died last Sunday. Since then, 2 more have died and surprisingly, the wobbly small kitten (wobbling all over) survived. At first, the vet said it could be a virus he got from his mother. He seems more steady now except that he always cocked his head to one side. Now, the vet said it could be some ear infection that causes the imbalance. I give up. What next? More guessing games. I've another cat, which according to the vet, is suffering from thiamine deficiency. He was on eagle pack until we changed to orijen. When he was sick, we fed him wet food. The vet suggested to give him vitamin B and a no fish diet. He was doing very well for some months. He could walk and jump. Then, we partially changed him back to kibbles. At about the time that my first cat showed the symptoms, he started to have stiff limbs. He couldn't walk at all. Now, he's in a paralytic state. We stopped his kibbles and went back to wet food. We're waiting to see if it helps.

Anyway, I've requested for an autopsy to be done on 2 of the dead cats as I want to know the cause of death - not to find fault with any product but for the sake of my other cats. But I believe in Malaysia it is easier for the camel to go through the needle's eye than to get the results of the autopsy, given the lackadaisical state of things towards animals here. I'm speaking from previous experience on a biopsy done on my cat that had since died. Incredible but till today, I have yet to get the report. Not surprising, if we're unable to have the autopsy done, knowing how things are. But, we will most certainly push our vet for it.

Incidentally, I hope the marketing personnel of Artemis and Sigma 7 won't think that I'm not in my right mind since I'm feeding these 2 brands to all my cats and dogs. As dongdong has made it very clear, we feed top grade food to our animals because we want to reduce visits to the vet. Rather spend on good food and supplements than on antibiotics. This is the reason we operate a petshop; so that we can get the best food, supplements and accessories for them at a lower rate. Sometimes, it's tough especially when sales are slow but thank God, the animals have never lacked in anything. We feed them well and we try to give them a good life. After all, why would we want to rescue them if not to treat them well?

Having said all this, I hope that in future, mako will not make assumptions that pet rescuers or breeders will not feed top grade food to their animals, even if they have a big number.

I want to end by inviting anyone who is interested to see what we do for animals to pay us a visit. You can also contact dongdong. Oh, by the way, we DON'T SELL ANIMALS.