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Home Theatre Sony HT-SF2300 vs Pioneer RS7, Which one to choose?

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anfieldude
post Dec 3 2008, 02:48 PM

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Just helped a friend set up the Pioneer Todoroki set. My observations:

1. The 818 does not receive audio thru HDMI. You need to hook up coaxial/digital out from DVD player so that you can send the Dolby Digital/DTS bitstream to the AVR.

2. OSD does not work with HDMI out. Only component/composite/s-video out. So in order to check the MCACC results you need to hook up your display with one of this cables to see the results.

3. The front speakers are rated from 40Hz but the subwoofer is rated from 50Hz-200Hz only. So in essence you are never going to get the low bass that is encoded in the dvd. This might be an issue if someone is expecting very low bass. However, for a budget setup the sub does more than a decent job.

Just some observation on the RS-7
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post Dec 3 2008, 03:36 PM

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Thanks for the info...

From the info of website i found that can connect extra sub to get more bass to the main sub's preout terminal

You can download the PDF catalog eng version from
http://www.pioneer-latin.com/downloads/cat...catalog_eng.pdf

so in order to get the low bass, can we add something on the pre out thus?
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post Dec 3 2008, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Dec 3 2008, 02:48 PM)
Just helped a friend set up the Pioneer Todoroki set. My observations:

1. The 818 does not receive audio thru HDMI. You need to hook up coaxial/digital out from DVD player so that you can send the Dolby Digital/DTS bitstream to the AVR.

2. OSD does not work with HDMI out.  Only component/composite/s-video out. So in order to check the MCACC results you need to hook up your display with one of this cables to see the results.

3.  The front speakers are rated from 40Hz but the subwoofer is rated from 50Hz-200Hz only. So in essence you are never going to get the low bass that is encoded in the dvd. This might be an issue if someone is expecting very low bass. However, for a budget setup the sub does more than a decent job.

Just some observation on the RS-7
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Hmm....from the pioneer website the sub is rated at 27 - 1000 Hz....not 50Hz-200Hz...


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viruz have you requested the special speaker cover from Eng Hi FI...
not available elsewhere as the boss request manufacturer to customize one for TODOROKI ..so good news for penangites buying from Eng HI FI....haha..just like i'm the shop myself..whereas nothing get wink.gif
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post Dec 3 2008, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(viruz @ Dec 3 2008, 04:05 PM)
Hmm....from the pioneer website the sub is rated at 27 - 1000 Hz....not 50Hz-200Hz...
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Yeah, u r right, will ask my friend to check what is happening. Does anyone who have this have the actual model number of the subwoofer so I can ask him to check
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post Dec 3 2008, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(bmipp @ Dec 3 2008, 05:50 PM)
viruz have you requested the special speaker cover from Eng Hi FI...
not available elsewhere as the boss request manufacturer to customize one for TODOROKI ..so good news for penangites buying from Eng HI FI....haha..just like i'm the shop myself..whereas nothing get wink.gif
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Don't have plan to get the cover at this time, I will try to get used to the look...hehe.
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post Dec 3 2008, 10:58 PM

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congratz..so what u think of ur new rigs? hav u try the sound retriever? u will enjoy more powerful bass & treble if u using the sound retriever..
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post Dec 4 2008, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(fevercrash @ Dec 3 2008, 11:58 PM)
congratz..so what u think of ur new rigs? hav u try the sound retriever? u will enjoy more powerful bass & treble if u using the sound retriever..
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Can enlighten us on this sound retriever you mention about?
where shall it be place or plugged in?
Sorry, noob question sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bmipp @ Dec 4 2008, 02:01 AM)
Can enlighten us on this sound retriever you mention about?
where shall it be place or plugged in?
Sorry, noob question  sweat.gif
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smile.gif it's one of the function of the Pioneer's receiver..
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post Dec 4 2008, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Dec 3 2008, 02:48 PM)
Just helped a friend set up the Pioneer Todoroki set. My observations:

1. The 818 does not receive audio thru HDMI. You need to hook up coaxial/digital out from DVD player so that you can send the Dolby Digital/DTS bitstream to the AVR.

2. OSD does not work with HDMI out.  Only component/composite/s-video out. So in order to check the MCACC results you need to hook up your display with one of this cables to see the results.

3.  The front speakers are rated from 40Hz but the subwoofer is rated from 50Hz-200Hz only. So in essence you are never going to get the low bass that is encoded in the dvd. This might be an issue if someone is expecting very low bass. However, for a budget setup the sub does more than a decent job.

Just some observation on the RS-7
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So this Pioneer can't accept high bitrate multichannel PCM audio via HDMI. This means you can't listen to the HD audio on blu-ray movies. Lucky I didn't recommend my friend to get the Pioneer yesterday, I had no knowledge about it. He bought the Sony instead to couple with his PS3. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Dec 4 2008, 07:31 AM)
So this Pioneer can't accept high bitrate multichannel PCM audio via HDMI. This means you can't listen to the HD audio on blu-ray movies. Lucky I didn't recommend my friend to get the Pioneer yesterday, I had no knowledge about it. He bought the Sony instead to couple with his PS3. thumbup.gif
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Aiman,

Based on my observation and what is written in the manual, it cannot. The other option is to send analogue 5.1 out from the player, but I guess only the Sony BD-550 and Panasonic BD50/55 have that. The Pioneer VSX-918 does accept audio over HDMI.

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Dec 4 2008, 09:57 AM)
Aiman,

Based on my observation and what is written in the manual, it cannot. The other option is to send analogue 5.1 out from the player, but I guess only the Sony BD-550 and Panasonic BD50/55 have that. The Pioneer VSX-918 does accept audio over HDMI.
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Yup, only higher end standalone BD players have multichannel analogue outs. So this model can't be paired with the PS3 and Sony BDP-S350 and Panasonic DMP-BD30/35 (or older models). biggrin.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 11:33 AM

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The other option is to send analogue 5.1 out from the player


Does Pioneer DV610 come with multichannel analogue out from below connection table?

it shows something like 1+6 chn Analogue out

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QUOTE(bmipp @ Dec 4 2008, 11:33 AM)
Does Pioneer DV610 come with multichannel analogue out from below connection table?

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For DVD players you don't have to use analogue outs. You can use the digital coaxial or optical out, so no problem with the Pioneer home theater. The issue with BD is that the high bitrate HD audio which coaxial/optical can't carry.

Multichannel analogue outs mean it must have one RCA connector for each channel, 2 for front LR, 1 for center, 2 for surrounds LR and 1 for subwoofer. With this method the receiver doesn't even need to do the decoding, it will only work as an amplifier. But from the diagram you posted, the DV-610 doesn't seem to have multichannel outs, oly stereo. Not to worry, use the optical out instead.
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post Dec 5 2008, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Dec 4 2008, 01:04 PM)
For DVD players you don't have to use analogue outs. You can use the digital coaxial or optical out, so no problem with the Pioneer home theater. The issue with BD is that the high bitrate HD audio which coaxial/optical can't carry.

Multichannel analogue outs mean it must have one RCA connector for each channel, 2 for front LR, 1 for center, 2 for surrounds LR and 1 for subwoofer. With this method the receiver doesn't even need to do the decoding, it will only work as an amplifier. But from the diagram you posted, the DV-610 doesn't seem to have multichannel outs, oly stereo. Not to worry, use the optical out instead.
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Thanks
Someone recommend good interconnect and also good speaker cables are the next thing to go for if want to get the max out of this budget set up?
If it's true, any recommendation for both?

I was about to 'seal through' the speaker cable (for rear surround) through ceiling, is it necessary to change those as well?


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post Dec 5 2008, 02:17 PM

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at last, im bought HT-SF2300 last week
very satisfied with the speaker sound quality
for 12 ft x 10 ft living room tongue.gif
yet to turn at MAX audio volume
nnti my jiran marah oooOO

play BD in PS3
and yup, again as aiman04 said
PCM does make HUGE different in audio
huhuhu

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post Dec 5 2008, 03:37 PM

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ehh bro how much did u pay for ur HTSF2300? I read from AV forum that its better to set your ps3 to bitstream while your htsf2300 set to pcm. I am still waiting for a good bargain for this set. haiz... me very ngiao
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post Dec 5 2008, 07:03 PM

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Yah, for those with PS3, should go for HT-SF2300 instead since it matches and can be combined at ease...
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post Dec 5 2008, 10:19 PM

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RS3 is it good enough ?
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post Dec 6 2008, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(alvincks @ Dec 5 2008, 11:19 PM)
RS3 is it good enough ?
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When i first heard at Jaya Jusco, i am also impress about the sound output although it's only RM1999
If you have set your budget lower, and like to have home theater experience, you won't regret it, since it's Pioneer


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